Comments on: Moral Responsibility http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:40:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: jackie http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1198038 jackie Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:40:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1198038 <p>That is really sad and really powerful…</p> That is really sad and really powerful…

]]> By: doctho http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197686 doctho Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197686 <p>s a member of The Sons of the American Revolution, with a strong and proud military family, I feel Our government has been playing games with our veterans ever since the Oneida Indian Nation fought in the Revolutionary War. They were among our first American Solders and took up arms against the British to help our nation earn its independence after our Revolution. Our new government used land seized from the British to compensate our veterans and the Oneida veterans were stripped of much of their original territory, by having 10 million acres of land taken from them. Look how they have been treated by our government ever since. </p> <p>The Oneida Nation is one of the area’s largest employers and every time they try, economically, to improve this area, they need to fight the State and the Federal Government. You realize they have two citizenships, one for being a veteran of the Revolutionary war, and one through their mother’s bloodline. I am concerned with the injustice that was done to the Oneidas by an ungrateful country. </p> <p>Presently our current service members have who have had repeated and extended deployments to war zones, have shown a rise in post-traumatic stress and other war-related wounds among troops. While it is good to support your troops that are serving our interest it is better to demand accountability from those responsible for the lack of their care in these injuries. It is utterly disgusting that VA hospitals are turning away those most in need. Those in charge of VA hospitals need to take responsibility for their lack of actions. I believe the whole VA system needs an overhaul and very soon. More and more wounded troops coming home and they need both physical and mental health care. </p> <p>Our troops deserve the best of all aspects of care! Wake up, America! We fail to take care of our own as we should and I think it’s time that we start. </p> <p>This will surprise nobody who has ever encountered the VA medical system. The entire operation is a horror show mostly run by lazy, self-important, arrogant and self-satisfied bureaucrats. This kind of treatment has been going on for years and years and years. VA hospitals are in hopeless situations. This type of treatment is the rule and not the exception for those who are closely associated with regular active duty military. It’s sad, but true. </p> <p>If certain services cannot be provided for a veteran or military patient then they are suppose to be referred to a civilian facility with no cost to the service member or veteran. Many of our own go without and this shouldn’t be a surprise for the VA system when it comes to treating any new service related condition. In this situation, the Iraq veteran is in the same boat as the Vietnam veteran in the 1970’s. At least now, they have a name for it, PTSD, and Agent Orange has been proven, but the VA doesn’t take it seriously! </p> <p>It’s terrible that our country is ignoring the cries of our vets. It’s no surprise what is happening with the Syracuse Veterans Hospital if similar acts are occurring around the country. I’ve have made many attempts in the last four years to talk with Mr. Cody, the head of the VA hospital in Syracuse NY, about these conditions He is self-important, arrogant, with a “don’t call me I’ll call you” attitude and there has been no dialog. I believe that Mr. Jim Cody should tender his resignation for the good of our veterans.</p> <p>Dennis Thorp is a native of Frankfort and served as an U.S. Army medic during the Vietnam War. He is co-founder of Agent Orange Victims International. </p> <p><a href="mailto:Doctho@roadrunner" rel="nofollow">Doctho@roadrunner</a></p> <p>–</p> s a member of The Sons of the American Revolution, with a strong and proud military family, I feel Our government has been playing games with our veterans ever since the Oneida Indian Nation fought in the Revolutionary War. They were among our first American Solders and took up arms against the British to help our nation earn its independence after our Revolution. Our new government used land seized from the British to compensate our veterans and the Oneida veterans were stripped of much of their original territory, by having 10 million acres of land taken from them. Look how they have been treated by our government ever since.

The Oneida Nation is one of the area’s largest employers and every time they try, economically, to improve this area, they need to fight the State and the Federal Government. You realize they have two citizenships, one for being a veteran of the Revolutionary war, and one through their mother’s bloodline. I am concerned with the injustice that was done to the Oneidas by an ungrateful country.

Presently our current service members have who have had repeated and extended deployments to war zones, have shown a rise in post-traumatic stress and other war-related wounds among troops. While it is good to support your troops that are serving our interest it is better to demand accountability from those responsible for the lack of their care in these injuries. It is utterly disgusting that VA hospitals are turning away those most in need. Those in charge of VA hospitals need to take responsibility for their lack of actions. I believe the whole VA system needs an overhaul and very soon. More and more wounded troops coming home and they need both physical and mental health care.

Our troops deserve the best of all aspects of care! Wake up, America! We fail to take care of our own as we should and I think it’s time that we start.

This will surprise nobody who has ever encountered the VA medical system. The entire operation is a horror show mostly run by lazy, self-important, arrogant and self-satisfied bureaucrats. This kind of treatment has been going on for years and years and years. VA hospitals are in hopeless situations. This type of treatment is the rule and not the exception for those who are closely associated with regular active duty military. It’s sad, but true.

If certain services cannot be provided for a veteran or military patient then they are suppose to be referred to a civilian facility with no cost to the service member or veteran. Many of our own go without and this shouldn’t be a surprise for the VA system when it comes to treating any new service related condition. In this situation, the Iraq veteran is in the same boat as the Vietnam veteran in the 1970’s. At least now, they have a name for it, PTSD, and Agent Orange has been proven, but the VA doesn’t take it seriously!

It’s terrible that our country is ignoring the cries of our vets. It’s no surprise what is happening with the Syracuse Veterans Hospital if similar acts are occurring around the country. I’ve have made many attempts in the last four years to talk with Mr. Cody, the head of the VA hospital in Syracuse NY, about these conditions He is self-important, arrogant, with a “don’t call me I’ll call you” attitude and there has been no dialog. I believe that Mr. Jim Cody should tender his resignation for the good of our veterans.

Dennis Thorp is a native of Frankfort and served as an U.S. Army medic during the Vietnam War. He is co-founder of Agent Orange Victims International.

Doctho@roadrunner

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]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197636 dakine01 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:16:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197636 <p>BTW and for the record, TSF is using the spelling “Irak” as that is what folks at the Lake were told a few months ago (by some Irakis who were brought here through the miracles of technology) was the preferred spelling.</p> BTW and for the record, TSF is using the spelling “Irak” as that is what folks at the Lake were told a few months ago (by some Irakis who were brought here through the miracles of technology) was the preferred spelling.

]]> By: DrZen http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197426 DrZen Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:20:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197426 <p>When does Glenn Greenwald admit that he was wrong then?</p> When does Glenn Greenwald admit that he was wrong then?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197364 MarkH Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:04:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197364 <blockquote><p>We should teach them modern things like algebra.</p></blockquote> <p>wicked funny :-)</p>

We should teach them modern things like algebra.

wicked funny :-)

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197357 MarkH Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:58:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197357 <blockquote><p>Given our three front-runners’ inability to disavow having troops out of Irak by the end of their first term,</p></blockquote> <p>They were all stung by that and I believe Edwards says they’ll all be out in 10 months except those needed to guard the embassy. He also pledges no permanent bases in Iraq.</p> <p>btw, it’s “Iraq”, not “Irak”.</p>

Given our three front-runners’ inability to disavow having troops out of Irak by the end of their first term,

They were all stung by that and I believe Edwards says they’ll all be out in 10 months except those needed to guard the embassy. He also pledges no permanent bases in Iraq.

btw, it’s “Iraq”, not “Irak”.

]]> By: PLovering http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197138 PLovering Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:58:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197138 <p><a href="http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/</a></p> http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/

]]> By: GregB http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197085 GregB Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:39:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1197085 <p>Luntz should poll his stooges on how his toupee looks.</p> <p>-G</p> Luntz should poll his stooges on how his toupee looks.

-G

]]> By: thegris http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1196884 thegris Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:41:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1196884 <p>Catch the post-debate propaganda from Luntz??</p> <p>“Fred Thompson = winner. Ron Paul = loser”</p> <p>LOL.</p> Catch the post-debate propaganda from Luntz??

“Fred Thompson = winner. Ron Paul = loser”

LOL.

]]> By: LS http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1196821 LS Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:26:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/moral-responsibility/#comment-1196821 <p>Personally, I think that Huckabee and Ron Paul just put Carl Cameron and Fox in their place.</p> <p>Huckabee was asked about women being submissive to their husbands…first, he answered pointing out that they only ever ask him the religious questions, and since they were gonna do that, then they should pass around the plate, because his campaign needs the money….then he answered by citing the passage in the bible that husbands and wives both submit to each other in order for a marriage to work and that it is not 50/50 it is 100/100. He also said that there is no way his wife would let him do whatever he wants to do, and that to think that she is submissive in that way is to not know her.</p> <p>Paul was asked basically why he was there since he probably isn’t a “viable” candidate and could never get the nomination. Paul went on to cite why he is the most “textbook” version of a Republican…that the others are not. He made his case very well, and kicked their asses.</p> Personally, I think that Huckabee and Ron Paul just put Carl Cameron and Fox in their place.

Huckabee was asked about women being submissive to their husbands…first, he answered pointing out that they only ever ask him the religious questions, and since they were gonna do that, then they should pass around the plate, because his campaign needs the money….then he answered by citing the passage in the bible that husbands and wives both submit to each other in order for a marriage to work and that it is not 50/50 it is 100/100. He also said that there is no way his wife would let him do whatever he wants to do, and that to think that she is submissive in that way is to not know her.

Paul was asked basically why he was there since he probably isn’t a “viable” candidate and could never get the nomination. Paul went on to cite why he is the most “textbook” version of a Republican…that the others are not. He made his case very well, and kicked their asses.

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