Comments on: Chamber of Commerce vs. Populists http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:07:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196886 MarkH Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:41:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196886 <blockquote><p>His overall voting record was very progressive. Was/is it politics as usual or has Edwards had a real political change since ‘04?</p></blockquote> <p>I’m not privvy to such things, but I can speculate.</p> <p>1. Republicans in charge limited what he might be able to get done.</p> <p>2. DLC influence of Bob Shrum</p> <p>3. Elizabeth’s cancer showed weakness of health care system</p> <p>4. Experience in his ‘04 campaign and with Kerry may have shown him the need to get back to his roots.</p>

His overall voting record was very progressive. Was/is it politics as usual or has Edwards had a real political change since ‘04?

I’m not privvy to such things, but I can speculate.

1. Republicans in charge limited what he might be able to get done.

2. DLC influence of Bob Shrum

3. Elizabeth’s cancer showed weakness of health care system

4. Experience in his ‘04 campaign and with Kerry may have shown him the need to get back to his roots.

]]> By: stagemom http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196223 stagemom Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:18:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196223 <p>why can’t the small business groups align with the populistas and form a coalition? why can’t the dems talk about innovation and entrepreneurship as a “change” for the good?<br /> i am a focus group of one.<br /> i am always right.</p> why can’t the small business groups align with the populistas and form a coalition? why can’t the dems talk about innovation and entrepreneurship as a “change” for the good?
i am a focus group of one.
i am always right.

]]> By: myers http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196206 myers Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:09:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1196206 <p>ever since the Powell Memorandum -manifesto hit the desk at the Chamber of Commerce in 1971, there has been a relentless effort to return us to the “glory” days of the gilded age.<br /> <a href="http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html" rel="nofollow">http://reclaimdemocracy.org/co.....lewis.html</a><br /> This is a must read for anyone who hopes to understand how disengenuious the people who run to the fainting couch everytime they hear the phrase, “class war” uttered.<br /> That is why they continually fan the flames of the culture wars.</p> ever since the Powell Memorandum -manifesto hit the desk at the Chamber of Commerce in 1971, there has been a relentless effort to return us to the “glory” days of the gilded age.
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/co…..lewis.html
This is a must read for anyone who hopes to understand how disengenuious the people who run to the fainting couch everytime they hear the phrase, “class war” uttered.
That is why they continually fan the flames of the culture wars.

]]> By: klynn http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195946 klynn Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:53:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195946 <p>Might I suggest the Chamber look in-house at some stats.</p> <p><a href="http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html</a></p> <p>Most of the US is about 3/4 employed by individually owned business or businesses with under 100 employees.</p> <p>Many of these businesses would benefit greatly from a populist vote in terms of some of the issues, such as health care.</p> <blockquote><p>About three quarters of all U.S. business firms have no payroll. Most are self-employed persons operating unincorporated businesses, and may or may not be the owner’s principal source of income. Because nonemployers account for only about 3.4 percent of business receipts, they are not included in most business statistics, for example, most reports from the Economic Census. Since 1997, however, nonemployers have grown faster than employer firms.</p></blockquote> <p>It is unfortunate that the Chamber President seems to forget the majority of who “work” in the United States of America. A bit of an insult to any American and an unbecoming comment from a US Chamber of Commerce President. He should not even be commenting on the election quite frankly. Unless the US Chamber of Commerce suddenly became a PAC?</p> <p>Wow, to think he is anti free-market democracy…I thought that is what a populist vote stood for?</p> Might I suggest the Chamber look in-house at some stats.

http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html

Most of the US is about 3/4 employed by individually owned business or businesses with under 100 employees.

Many of these businesses would benefit greatly from a populist vote in terms of some of the issues, such as health care.

About three quarters of all U.S. business firms have no payroll. Most are self-employed persons operating unincorporated businesses, and may or may not be the owner’s principal source of income. Because nonemployers account for only about 3.4 percent of business receipts, they are not included in most business statistics, for example, most reports from the Economic Census. Since 1997, however, nonemployers have grown faster than employer firms.

It is unfortunate that the Chamber President seems to forget the majority of who “work” in the United States of America. A bit of an insult to any American and an unbecoming comment from a US Chamber of Commerce President. He should not even be commenting on the election quite frankly. Unless the US Chamber of Commerce suddenly became a PAC?

Wow, to think he is anti free-market democracy…I thought that is what a populist vote stood for?

]]> By: azureblue http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195923 azureblue Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:39:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195923 <p>Reply #41-<br /> Typical stereotype. Can it. La is no more corrupt than NYC or Chicago. They just do it in the open. And these days, considering how Bush and America has destroyed and abandoned Louisiana, while still stealing mineral royalties, I think the state deserves a bit of slack.</p> <p>Back to topic: Donohue is an elitist and invites a class war. Let’s give it to him. And more.</p> Reply #41-
Typical stereotype. Can it. La is no more corrupt than NYC or Chicago. They just do it in the open. And these days, considering how Bush and America has destroyed and abandoned Louisiana, while still stealing mineral royalties, I think the state deserves a bit of slack.

Back to topic: Donohue is an elitist and invites a class war. Let’s give it to him. And more.

]]> By: QuakerGirl http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195918 QuakerGirl Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:37:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195918 <blockquote><p>Great description. What is it about Louisiana? Corruption just bubbles out of every bayou to this day.</p></blockquote> <p>I just don’t know. It is alive and well to this day. I see this in my family and their friends. They are charming people. Go to their neighborhood fish fry and you will fall in love. All day you’ll have a big smile on your face. These people are genuine and sincere and if you are stuck at the airport 3:00 A.M., they won’t hesitate to come get you and see to it you are safe. Until they select “leaders”. Do they suffer from split personalities? None of this computes. </p> <p>My parents, being Social Democrats, moved away from Huey P. Long. They were too honest for his corruption and could not justify it. They still loved him. They just didn’t support him. My Dad’s favorite candidate for president was Shirley Chisholm. She was his kind of candidate. He blamed men for cutting her out, never giving her a chance.</p>

Great description. What is it about Louisiana? Corruption just bubbles out of every bayou to this day.

I just don’t know. It is alive and well to this day. I see this in my family and their friends. They are charming people. Go to their neighborhood fish fry and you will fall in love. All day you’ll have a big smile on your face. These people are genuine and sincere and if you are stuck at the airport 3:00 A.M., they won’t hesitate to come get you and see to it you are safe. Until they select “leaders”. Do they suffer from split personalities? None of this computes.

My parents, being Social Democrats, moved away from Huey P. Long. They were too honest for his corruption and could not justify it. They still loved him. They just didn’t support him. My Dad’s favorite candidate for president was Shirley Chisholm. She was his kind of candidate. He blamed men for cutting her out, never giving her a chance.

]]> By: PLovering http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195914 PLovering Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:36:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195914 <p>Donohue sounds just like European Central Bank (ECB) head Jean-Claude Trichet in Frankfurt, Germany today, when Trichet demanded that European governments crack down on their labor unions and cut real wages, in his press conference today.</p> <p>Both Donohue and Trichet are speaking for National Socialism. </p> <p>Only candidates Ron Paul and Kucinich will fight the CC and protect our wages and our freedoms.</p> Donohue sounds just like European Central Bank (ECB) head Jean-Claude Trichet in Frankfurt, Germany today, when Trichet demanded that European governments crack down on their labor unions and cut real wages, in his press conference today.

Both Donohue and Trichet are speaking for National Socialism.

Only candidates Ron Paul and Kucinich will fight the CC and protect our wages and our freedoms.

]]> By: Steve-AR http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195912 Steve-AR Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:36:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195912 <p>The thing that bothers me about Edwards is that he ran a “no PAC money” campaign for the Senate and then was a big supporter of the bankruptcy law, NAFTA, expanded China trade and the Iraq war. His overall voting record was very progressive. Was/is it politics as usual or has Edwards had a real political change since ‘04?</p> The thing that bothers me about Edwards is that he ran a “no PAC money” campaign for the Senate and then was a big supporter of the bankruptcy law, NAFTA, expanded China trade and the Iraq war. His overall voting record was very progressive. Was/is it politics as usual or has Edwards had a real political change since ‘04?

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195907 ThingsComeUndone Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:31:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195907 <p>Gorilla Guides may have some comments on the Farsi spoken.</p> Gorilla Guides may have some comments on the Farsi spoken.

]]> By: WarOnWarOff http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195906 WarOnWarOff Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:30:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/chamber-of-commerce-vs-populists/#comment-1195906 <p><i>I can’t really think of a franker possible declaration of class war.</i></p> <p>Oh yes, and they were also the lovely people who made sure that <a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/10/15/daily42.html" rel="nofollow">poor, sick children couldn’t have health insurance.</a></p> I can’t really think of a franker possible declaration of class war.

Oh yes, and they were also the lovely people who made sure that poor, sick children couldn’t have health insurance.

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