Wahoo!

Jane!

With about 30% more people voting Dem so far than GOP, we go UP! Jane!!!

I think Edwards willl not be the king maker. He will end up being the dog in the manger.

What we’ve known all along. From AP:

Clinton attributed her win in part to her success late in the race in telling voters why she’s in public life, a reference to her choking up when a voter asked her how she was faring. Asked whether that was a turnaround for her, she said, ”I think it could well have been.”

I was surprised that the Nevada unions didn’t go for Edwards. That would have helped him. What has Obama done for labor?

Oh, more Wolfson please, especially if he wears his Tweety sweater like he did last night. These guys’ contracts must stipulate on-air time. There’s no other possible excuse for letting any of them near an operating television camera. Ever.

Hill’s Boys are toxic.

Delegates. It’s all about delegates.

I’ve been looking around and have been unable to find a link to the combined vote totals from the two states. Do you have one?

Well, with Obama ahead of Edwards by 7 delegates with only about 99% of them left to be chosen, it looks like it is all over as Mike Lux notes. Nothing more to see here move along. So how is the Super Bowl shaping up?

And maybe Harry Reid hasn’t completely wired Nevada for Hillary after all:

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from the Nevada chapter of the Service Employees International Union, boosting his prospects against rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in Nevada’s upcoming Democratic caucuses.

The influential union represents 17,500 health care and county workers in Nevada. Its executive board approved the decision in a conference call late Tuesday night, shortly after the Illinois senator finished a close second behind Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.

The announcement came as Obama was expecting to get another boost from labor in Nevada. The 60,000 member Culinary Workers Union, Local 226 was scheduled to announce its endorsement Wednesday.

did you see colbert last night and his diatribe about the teleprompter. hilarious. if you watch closely, you’ll see a picture of a bear taped onto the camera to keep him away.

…..or they want to know how they can get you in a Le Sabre today (Terry McCauliffe).

lol!

Understatement of the day:

”Anyone who thinks they know how voters are going to respond at this point are probably misleading themselves.” — Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

(Same link as my 11.)

brad blog shows the pollsters were only wrong in one race. imagine that

I’ve been looking around and have been unable to find a link to the combined vote totals from the two states. Do you have one?

Delegate Scorecard Election 2008

Here’s a choice comment from an e-mail just forwarded to me:

This is the Obama smear spam.

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID
NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran (Their equiva lency to
our Bible, but very different beliefs)
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected
presidential candidacy.

The sweet young mother who forwarded this to me also fowards every damn 4 year old phony missing child story too.

This country is doomed.

-G

I’m not a Hilary fan, but I say good for her. It’s OK to be human. Thank goodness the first woman candidate’s single teary moment (if that’s even accurate) has been preceding by several blubbering congressmen. Looking at you Boehner. Hillary’s moment is but a single authentic drop in their ocean’s of crocodile tears.

I’m old enough to remember the good old days when journalists weren’t pushing a point of view, when elections redressed grievances. You could trust that corrupt officials and criminal activities would be investigated. Was it IF Stone who refused to go to any cocktail parties or report on any press releases? He went out and did the hard work of investigation. Reminds me alot of Firedoglake and bloggers of integrity.

Yep, those were the days. Not perfect, but eons better than the navel lint analysis of today.

You must be a lot older than me and I’m 58.

I was surprised that the Nevada unions didn’t go for Edwards. That would have helped him. What has Obama done for labor?

Boy, the head-space of Nevadans is something else. Even among Democrats, you have to search under rocks and boulders and find a progressive. The few there come from California. I don’t know if it’s the desert climate or high altitude or what but it is one very interesting place to volunteer with the Democratic Party. I asked and the heavies in the party give me a blank look. I’m not sure they are even curious to find out.

Unions are going to use their endorsements for likely winners. Otherwise they are just pissing off someone who is gonna be in the White House.

Ha,ha I’m 61. And way back then in prehistoric/precomputer days Tweety, Russert, Fineman, Barnicle would not have had a place at the table. I thought Brokaw was portraying a bit of that in comparison to the others at the table last night.

OT-Did Fred Thompson quit yet? Is he still sleeping?

re: mike lux. Is this the new strategy? have someone declare your campaign RIP to activate the troops so the media can hold a revival celebration?

I had to applaud Tom Brokaw. After Tweety finished freaking out about how to have anything to say if the polls were wrong, “what do we do? what do we do?” Brokaw calmly replies “we let the voters render their judgment”.

What a concept!

A few threads back there was the Hillary quote that she had found her voice. Well she may have found it but she still doesn’t speak for me. All this horse race handicapping is nice. Bt I would rather look at the issues. Are Obama and Hillary going to take time out from their campaigning to support Christopher Dodd’s filibuster of the the Intel version of the FISA bill? Will they speak out now on it and commit themselves? Or are they going to continue to talk about change and leadership without actually doing anything about it. Is Hillary going to finally tell us whether she is going to keep significant numbers of troops in Iraq? Is Obama going to come clean on his bogus healthcare proposal? These are the things I want to know about.

I would have loved an Obama/Edwards ticket (still could happen) but if it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen for Edwards what point do you “throw in the towel?”.

Also which candidate would benefit from Edwards walking away from this race? Is this affecting Obama/Hillary’s respective campaigns right now?

I don’t understand Sullivan and his crowd’s distinction between a caucus [Iowa]and a primary [New Hampshire] in terms of a closet racist saying one thing to a pollster and then doing another.

Suppose you are a closet racist, why would you tell a pollster you are caucusing for Obama? For the sake of argument, assume a closet racist would do this, what would prevent that person from going to the caucus and caucusing for Hillary? You know, Zogby isn’t there checking on you. Further, at the caucus you aren’t required to tell anyone why you are caucusing for one person or the other.

Also something that was very different back then was that the same company who owned GE didn’t own a major network. Remember when Woodward and Bernstein did their excellent work on Watergate?

I agree. But I’m still recovering from the “this is good for Rudy” wonderland moment.

Sounds good to me, but I think I would perhaps enjoy Edwards as AG instead of VP. ???

Hi Jane. Have you seen this?

New Hampshire Election Fraud
from OpEdNews - OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion

New Hampshire Election Fraud: Hillary LOST the paper ballot count but WON the optical scan ballot count. Obama WON the paper ballot count but LOST the optical scan ballot count.

Yea, I was ok with the journalist part, it was the election part I missed. But then I was abroad for a fe of those key years.

Are you in school?

Kids today just don’t believe that there were once ethical journalists ;)

My dad was one such, editor at National Journal and editorial board at LA Times, never accepted dinner invitations - there were many I’d have liked to attend with him - gifts of sports tickets, etc. He took his job pretty seriously. I don’t believe ALL journalists were like that, but more than today, for sure.

Personally, I believe Booby Woodward and his Bernstein friend had a tragically hip effect on journalism. Suddenly all J school grads were looking for their big ticket, stardom and a movie deal.

I got one of those forwarded to me yesterday. The woman who sent it to me is very smart; honestly. She knows that I know what’s going on, and she asked “any comments?” The email I sent back was scathing. Regarding the swearing in on the Koran I wrote:

“Oh and one more thing. It is Keith Ellison of Minnesota who is the only Muslim in Congress. He got sworn in on a Koran that was owned by Thomas Jefferson And he is in the House of Representatives; not the Senate. I know that because I pay attention. And by the way, you should see Ellison in the Congressional hearings. He is one of the smartest Reps out there. The idiot who sent you this e-mail got the state, position, congressional house, and person wrong. But all those “foreigners” look alike anyway, I suppose.”

sorry, that’s from betsy. not sure why i am signed in as snarky. brb

One of my great heroes, I.F. (Izzy) Stone. Do I miss him! I don’t know who I miss most I.F. Stone or Barbara Jordan. Both equally. Both thundered the truth and could not be bought. They didn’t equivocate. Talk about strength of character. What happened to that gene pool?

What was the “this is good for Rudy” moment? Was not watching.

I did a quick scan of voting district outcomes this a.m. because I kept expecting dartmouth (hanover) to make a splash. at least that’s what tweety was holding out in obama’s favor last night. I watched the minute-to-minute returns, however, and I didn’t see it. so what happened?!

turns out, hanover did indeed go for obama, and with a wide margin. obama won about 65% of the voting districts. clinton placed first in about 105 districts - 35% of 300 reporting. she won overall because her winning margins (e.g., nashua & salem) were larger than obama’s in his winning districts.

Am I me yet?

My friend got forwarded a similar email about Obama from her father-in-law in North Carolina (who apparently believes it). It had lots of other “information” in it which I can’t even force my fingers to type. Tough bind to be in. By publicing denouncing it, you are spreading the rumors to people who may not have heard them. Some “fairytale” to have to live through.

Very interesting take on Woodward/Bernstein, hadn’t thought of that.

I teach Business Ethics for a big corporation, sounds like an oxymoron doesn’t it? I wonder about and if there are any ethical guidelines for journalists?

One of Hillary’s campaign managers in Eastern Iowa was fired for forwarding on this email.

That’s ok, I was wacthin out for ya!

Where do we go from here? Not Florida. That’s about all I know. And after last night I don’t think too mamnyb people know much more if if the do i’m not in a mood to listen. Where do we go from here? Ask me again after Super Tuesday.

Having said that I don’t know, I think the Edqwards-as-Kingmaker sceanrio is for real. But I’m wondering. If ity works out that way, what does Edwards get out of it? Some leverage, sure. But what does he do with that leverage?

Halberstam, Sheehan, Jonathon Schell. . .

The “e-mail” train has become an important political tool for goopers. I used to get at least one of the things a day forwarded by someone or other. They are passed on indiscriminately- and they NEVER have an indication of who wrote the damned things originally- nor do they have any evidence supporting their outlandis messages.

The goopers who receive em and pass em on apparently take them all at face value. Incredible.

The unions were choosing between Edwards and Obama, Clinton was never in the mix

Sullivan is well-known for promoting the idea that we live in a post-racist society, so much so that he promoted The Bell Curve as a rationale for dropping affirmative action (not only is affirmative action not necessary because we’re all race-blind, it wouldn’t work anyway!)

Whatever he had to say this morning had nothing to do with what he actually believes or with what actually happened. It had to do with Sullivan needing cover for having gotten it wrong (this happens for many values of [it] and simultaneously screwing with the frontrunner _and_ Democratic voters.

It’s one of Our Fearless Leader’s famous trifectas.

Howard Fineman and a few others were trumpeting the anemic fourth place finish as a win for Rudolph.

I swear the nation must be undergoing mass, total mental retardation.

Check the aquaducts because brains are turning into jelly.

-G

Sickening.

-G

the truth about watergate

http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20080102-Wed1300.mp3

I wonder how the mindset of the people of Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses differ so completely that this exit poll was skewed in New Hampshire.

Does that mean a significant percentage of people in New Hampshire that were polled are closet racist?

The people of New Hampshire had an agenda to thwart the caucus process?

This is also Sullivan re-opening the GOP door that was slammed on him for turning on Bush.

He’ll be cheerleading the return of the GOP any day now.

-G

Robert Fisk, Amy Goodman, Greg Palast, Bill Moyers, Jeremy Scahill, Seymour Hirsch, Janet Mayer….so there are good ones out there for sure.

I’m off for a walk to release some frustration. Love this site.

Good comment from TPM Reader MS …

I have always had somewhat lukewarm feelings about Hillary Clinton. It took me years to forgive her for her “baking cookies” comment. At the time I had just given birth to my first child and decided to leave my job as an attorney to stay home and take care of my baby. I have been on the fence throughout this campaign, liking John Edwards more than the others. The media coverage of Sen. Clinton has caused my blood to boil. I can not bear to witness blatant misogyny. Gloria Steinheim’s article in the NYT this morning was so on the mark. If I lived in New Hampshire, I would have voted for Sen. Clinton today. I would not allow the talking heads to tell me who to vote for or declare this race over. And I certainly was not going to participate in the sexist bs that has been spewing out the mouths of the likes of Chris Matthews.

Kids today just don’t believe that there were once ethical journalists

I have to say it’s becoming harder for me to believe too. Good to hear about your father. There are still a few out there even now I expect, like Charlie Savage at the Globe.

All professions have ethics. They just write them in a way that is convenient for the times. If there is a formal professional association such as the bar for lawyers, or the AMA for doctors or the AIA for architects as well as state regulators they all have a say in how we professionals behave. I don’t think journalists are licensed {snark}so the ethics vary from work place to work place.

Thoughts on Edwards:

1) He’s better off with a Clinton win in NH- an Obama win might have ended the race.

2) It’s not likely that he will win any of the races between now and super tuesday. His best bet is to keep his candidacy alive until the convention and hope for a deadlock- in that case he could probably use his delegates for bargaining chips on the platform- the veep spot- or other matters.

3) He’s not out of it- but it ain’t lookin good

So if the whole closet racist thing is to be believed. The racists polled for about two years supporting Hillary over Obama, then decided in the thrill after the Iowa vote to vote for Obama and then secretly voted against Obama.

Wouldn’t it be more likely that the racists voted for Tom Tancredo( or didn’t vote for him rather).

-G

Did y’all see Hillary’s victory speech last night? I think it was one of her best ever (and I’m an Edwards supporter).

I see a pattern from 2004 repeating itself: After the NH primary, the leading contenders start to steal each other’s best talking points. The contest becomes who can assimilate the other’s best talking points most convincingly. Last night, Hilary did so convincingly. Edwards did it a little, not as convincingly, and it just seemed like an add-in. Obama today is responding that he is not all talk and no action, and that he has plans for how to implement his ideas. I think this will be good in the long run for the eventual Democratic winner.

Bob in HI

Has anyone seen which candidate won the exit polling? I have not. What has been posted so far is all “crosstabs” info- not the actual head to head percentages.

Matt Taibbi, Larisa Alexandrovna, Laura Rosen, too.. and all the others mentioned above.

I also enjoyed it!

“isn’t a repeatable formula.” - Nominee, understatement of the year. Don’t underestimate Matthews though.

The Hillary victory should at least lead to more details on policy proposals and less soaring blue sky rhetoric.

Obama today is responding that he is not all talk and no action

There is something I will believe when I see it.

I’m questioning this whole closet racist thing too because I’ve met enough racist people in my life and I don’t think they would be too secretive about whom they would vote for.

That whole theory is kind of dumb, it sounds like New Hampshire had some kind of agenda en masse to thwart the whole process…

Why do I change my mind day to day? Because I have more information today than I had yesterday. It’s not a closet race conspiracy. People are listening hard. In my Nevada calls to get people out to caucus, most are still deciding.

All those Obama calls I received I requested they get the message to him and his handlers that people like me want more substance than the rhetoric of a motivational speaker. Each call (dozens) I said I hadn’t decided. The volunteer said he was told that many times. It’s not one little right word or phrase I’mm seeking. It’s the totality of what the person says and their record or lack of record. Absence tells me as much as present.

It’s not a single issue; it’s multiple issues that need to be addressed. I have no idea what “change” means. It is subjective.

Hmmmm.

Just when you think you may feel some sympathy for her again, one after another slimes across your set looking like they’ve either just come from selling smack on 6th and Bonnie Brae (Jay Carson) or they want to know how they can get you in a Le Sabre today (Terry McAuliffe).

That’s a great line, Jane! Made me laugh out loud.

Do people agree with Lux that “Edwards is dead as a Presidential prospect for 2008″, and at most he becomes the “kingmaker”? If this is true, does this imply that Edwards will demand to the VP candidacy in exchange for his delegates?

It’s Chris Matthews and these other gasbags projecting their foolishness onto others.

Read this about the Obama campaign.

There were so many factors crammed into this 5 day period that we may never know what happened.

But the bottom line appears to be that large numbers of women broke toward Hillary within the last 5 days. Why they did will be the big question to answer.

-G

I believe what you say it more close to the truth…

That people are weighing in a bit more closely at these candidates…

A couple of hours last night of “Boy were we wrong” followed today’s new predictions. Stop…lets talk policy not politics. Lets discuss what a president can and cannot accomplish and the balance of power that is so crucial to change. Lets ask the hard questions and get something besides style…lets get substance. We deserve the best choice and that is only possible with serious study of all of the candidates. Why are they they only ones who should work hard, don’t we have some responsibility here???

Hi everyone! Reeeeellly late to the party today, with toobz issues that have been solved, thanks to dear mods.

Thanks Jane for great post, and for fwding to get help for me.

I wonder if anyone else heard a quick on-air smackdown of Tweetie by Keith early-ish last night.

Tweetie was uttering nitwitty comments one right on top of another, making absolutely no sense, sounding more like a little kid who’s stayed up too late & keeps trying to enter into the adults’ conversation with one-liners, merely to get attention.

Almost as an aside, and sorta quietly, Keith suddenly made this little statement about how, well, you can’t fill up the whole night of coverage with that one little comment - or words to that effect.

Camera was still showing both of them, as Keith went on to other subject matter and took over the conversation. Tweetie looked as if he’d just been smacked in the face - looking down, to the side, back & forth, very frustrated and absolutely dumb-struck speechless - the only time I’ve ever seen someone get to him.

I do wish someone could dredge up a clip. Worth the price of admission.

Tweetie was a bigger loser than even Hucksterbee last night.

No. I think a significant number of people in New Hampshire, either made or changed their decision as to who they would vote for very late in the process.

I do not think race had much, if anything, to do with it. And, more specifially, I do not think the open caucus format as opposed to the secret ballot format had anything to do with it

We deserve the best choice and that is only possible with serious study of all of the candidates. Why are they they only ones who should work hard, don’t we have some responsibility here???

We’ve been doing plenty of that. This just happens to be a handicapping thread.

Actually back in the day, NBC was owned by RCA, who was - wait for it - a major defense contractor. It was RCA’s defense business that GE was mainly interested in acquiring when they bought RCA in the mid-80s. NBC was just a bonus chip.

After reviewing the exit poll results at MSNBC, it looks as if Hillary won the exit polls by about the same margin as she won the election.

Please, please, please I hope the MSM doesn’t blame the “Bradley” effect high and low for the errors. Whether or not it is partially true, talking about it nonstop will only serve to perpetuate the notion that this country cannot elect a non-white candidate. If whites or blacks feel that there is that level of racism in the Democratic party then they will not vote for someone other than a white male because anyone else is “unelectable” and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Then it’s clear. Someone manipulated the people being exit-polled.

I am curious - have any of you Hillary bashers ever met her or been to one of her speeches or events in person? Is your perception based on what you get through the media?

I saw a blind quote at TPM from a Romney staffer, in response to a question about Huckabee’s success — the one word answer:

Authenticity.

I really think that is Hillary’s problem — she is sincere in what she believes and what she says, but it is so scripted and calculated it comes across as inauthentic. In fact, the only two authentic moments I’ve seen from Hillary were her flash of anger in Saturday’s debate, and her misty eyed moment.

In sales training they say “Be sincere, whether you mean it or not” & “Be sincere — if you can fake that, you can fake anything.”

Bill Clinton is a master of fake (and real) sincerity — Hillary, not so much.

When he’s on, Obama has the gift, as does Huckabee; Edwards and McCain have enough to get by.

Sincerity and Authenticity — two of the keys for effective political communcation.

I agree that hillary can’t repeat what happened in NH. This whole thing is getting fascinating. And we can see how emotional the whole electorate is. I think the key is ”emotion.” Many would like the issues or past votes on this or that to be the key. But I’m beginning to think emotion will decide this election. Could be buying a dream with Obama. Could be anger with Edwards. Could be victim/abuser as seems to be playing out - once again - with bill&hill. And anger at the press. Anger at bush spilling over into many directions. People are emotionally engaged. No doubt about it.

My best hope is for lots and lots of voters to put the Constitution and needs like heathcare, the environment, peace etc first - and not tear the party or the candidates apart. To reject the politics of hate.

Hard to do. I’m trying my best.

The number of blogoshpere postings this morning about Chris Matthews is both astounding and gratifying: Jane, Christy, Glennzilla, Digby, Pam Spaulding. Sixteen years ago, Bob Somerby noticed the juvenile coverage the press was giving his friend Al Gore and has been bagging on them ever since for their mindlessness. Now his howl has grown to a chorus throughout the blogosphere. And Christy delivered the money line: “It’s as if a pack of hyenas were crossbred with the characters in Mean Girls and then sent out to play at journalism.” Damn!!!!

FWIW, I watched HDNET last evening. Dan Rather was hosting three political strategists, Michael Murphy (Republican), Donald Fowler (Democrat), Drew Westin (academic and author of “The Political Brain”). It was such a pleasant contrast to CNN, Fox, and MSNBC.

Thank you. The speculation was driving me nuts.

Well I got ticked off, and then someone posted the email address of Hardball…so this is what I sent them:

Dear Mr. Matthews:

Please STFU about Hillary Clinton – your misogyny is showing.

Isn’t it about time you and Joe Scarborough joined Fox News? I think you’d fit in real well there.

I wish Keith Olberman would get your time slot… (Oh, and NBC? You can deep six Tucker, too…)

Fern

For some reason the networks post all the crosstabs but not the final percentage breakdown- but I was able to get back to the final numbers through looking at the male/female breakdown. Clinton won the exit polling 38.7 to 36.6.

[some are better than others at being acting authentic.]

That is precisely why I stick to an old old formula as much as possible:

pretty is as pretty does.

The experience. The prior performance. They matter. They trump silver-coated words every time. The artful speaker and speechwriter are important, but it’s dangerous to rely on them.

I just about went ballistic a couple of days ago hearing a flighty-sounding IA caucus attendee who acted as if she had never ever taken a look at any of the candidates and what they have done so far in their careers that would indicate they are presidential material. If she was being truthful before the cameras, it appeared that she was deliberately keeping a blank slate in her head until she walked into that caucus meeting, thence following every scent that passed her nose, like a beagle who’s broken free in a quail pen.

Yes, would that people chose to do their research, think, weigh facts.

There is much voters can do on their own, whether the media folks measure up or not.

Thanks! heh. tweetie must be in a huge frump today, (I hope).

I am not a “Hillary Basher” and I was quite willing to support her against the Corporate Establishment.

But she is the establishment. She is a Loyal Bushie when it comes to the Criminal Occupation of Iraq. She supports Isr**l more than the United States, and wants Americans to die for Isr**l, by attacking Iran. Her campaign is run by corrupt corporate lobbyists and labor union busters.

About a year agao, the Hillary campaign sent me a letter, that was part of a “listening campaign”. But they did not listen to me or respond to my questions. Her despicable campaign against Obama hardly needs comment.

Why should I support her?

SnarKassandra January 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am
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Hi Jane. Have you seen this?

New Hampshire Election Fraud
from OpEdNews - OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion

New Hampshire Election Fraud: Hillary LOST the paper ballot count but WON the optical scan ballot count. Obama WON the paper ballot count but LOST the optical scan ballot count.

_________________

does anyone know about the source of this information? i don’t know anything about this website or if the information it is showing is verifiable but if it is this should be a big headline. anybody else been there and read it?

I hope that there are a few in Nevada who have done some research and vote for who they think is most consistent, steadfast, and prepared in his actions. Dennis Kucinich.

If we, as a nation, really want change then we really need to be giving Dennis some serious consideration. He’s not just talking the talk, he’s trying to walk the walk. It’s amazing how silent the media, in general, can be about someone they potentially fear. Evil doesn’t like truth, justice, and peace. They sure don’t want someone who’s prepared. I honestly think that there are many who are intimidated by a man who has been there, done that, and trying to make a real change/difference.

Just sayin…

I submitted this link before: Read this article from Al Giodarno http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid48290.aspx It will amaze you at how accurate he was in sept. From C&L and Barry Crimmins. He predicted Obama would likely get the Culinary Workers Union.

The article basically says that Obama is different from previous challengers to the frontrunner. BC he has more $ than Hillary and the majority of it from small donors ($224 or less) which means he can tap them again (more than 200K donors). Hillary doesn’t, although she has tons she got it all pretty much up front and it will be tough to squeeze out more. This means Obamma won’t run out of money as the Primaries in March come as will, unfortunately John Edwards (ala Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, Bill Bradley, Edwards before, and then Howard Dean).

But another difference is that he invested in training grassroots coordinators in every early state. Those folks are ready on the ground in every state to thwart any swiftboating and to get out more voters. Which none of the other challengers not even Dean did before.

Read the article it really is 100% accurate and written September 26, 2007

Greg I got something similar, Of course I wrote back and told him to do just a little researc on this bullshit IE Wikipedia Snopes Etc!
The fucking right wingnuts will go to any lengths to stay in power. The fucking bastards, but I the liberals did they would raise holly hell and start crying “what bad people we are. fuck them!

fahr

Given the fact that Hillary won the exit polling by about the same amount as she won the election, I don’t see grounds for claims of foul play. The preliminary polls were just wrong- they ignored the undecideds.

“….they ignored the undecideds.” No, the pollsters failed to get a handle on sexist and racist unenrolled men in NH, who voted for the white male, Big MAC.

You got that correct again. I beleive this adminstration offered up Bhutto for domestic politcal gain for the Republicans. Funny after Bhuttos assasination Dodd sounded like a republican. “Paki is no Iraq or Iran, they have ready able nukes.” This is a legitimate fear and Dodd’s concerns are real. However who really gains from Bhutto’s assasination? NOt the people of Pakistan! Not Musharraf, he’s done unless kept in power by Bush. The US supported the coup that overthrew Bhutto’s father and hung him, in the late 70’s. Why should anything be different today given the level of corruption. Fear Fear Fear of a Nuke and extremist in Pakistan getting these nukes benefits the republicans and the corporate sponsors, who profit on War! It will be the mantra of the Gop as it has been since 911.

Thanks for the good post and perspective.

I think we take the road less travelled and resist silly things like (post above) McCain is inevitable, or Clinton is inevitable.

Take the road less travelled and work in each state, its only going to benefit in a general election (more interest across the USA and more interest in other elections that will take place House/Senate).

I gotta tell you people were very pleased in NH, everyone I know supports different candidates but can sit down and debate it out.

I think the top 3 will likely go until Super Tuesday (Obama/Clinton all the way, and I think Edwards is no so sure that Obama is the same as he is when it comes to change so I do not know what level of support he is looking at getting to decide). Richardson should stay in until Nevada to see if he can get up to the 8 - 10% range and if he picks up/has support against Latinos and people in the area of New Mexico.

I hope the next debate can really focus on the issues and is in a similar/newish type format as with ABC.

After a few days off I am looking forward to looking at all the reams of data from NH and a review of what the candidates did and said in that 4-5 day span between Iowa and NH. Also I guess keeping track of the red faced pundits trying to get control again or muddy the waters with their stupidity.

I was close on my predictions, but bigger chunk went to the top 2; got the Clinton win wrong (had her #2). I wish those few hundred votes came in to put Paul over Rudy as I was keep to see Rudy on bottom. Being an Edwards fan I was looking for him to get 20% to do good or 25% to do really good. NH voters do look at electability and saw the race as presented as between Obama-Clinton and put most of the votes there (of course more money and better ground game as well).

Big thing to watch is the national trend in the polls as the econ goes down (assuming each can keep picking up a decent number of delegates as the primaries get knocked-off). Also with the admin I think looking for step-up of military operations in Iran and or Pakistan that could be an impact. Unemployment will likely be 5.25 - 5.5% by Feb/March (not sure when the numbers will come out). People are also going to start seeing their 401k’s drain since the end of December ST/LT/Dividends that were injected in them have already disappeard and so now will be cutting into their bottom line. Of course lots of people also hoping to get a job in Jan/Feb where people not working really want to get picked up at the start of Q1.

As a guess I would think Edwards is a lock for Obama VP if it goes that way. The voters are making it clear that they like Edwards in good numbers and he has some decent game on the ground considering he is going up against two rock stars that have great game.

I would also like to see him as US AG.

Edwards could win as things go downhill over the next few months as he has been out ahead of almost all of it (over the last 2 years). Unlikely but possible.

Again not sure Edwards is convinced of his argument/tactic that he and Obama are change and Clinton is not.

You might see Richardson holding on to try and have 5% for Clinton. I do not see Clinton teaming up with Edwards on any high-level thing (VP, Cabinet, USAG, etc) - though Lincon had outright enemies in his cab.

misogyny. Ding!