. Jesse L. Jackson Jr., national co-chair for Barack Obama, on Hillary Clinton’s emotional moment:
But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.
. Bowers:
Did Obama’s message of conciliatory unity cost him the New Hampshire primary? Sure looks like it. According to exit polls, 30% of Democrats identified themselves as "dissatisfied" with the Bush administration. Obama narrowly won those voters, 39%-38%. However, among the 62% of participants in the Democratic primary who described themselves as "angry" with the Bush administration, Clinton won 39%-34%. And thus, we have Clinton’s 2.6% margin of victory almost precisely.
. Zogby:
We expected that Obama would receive the lion’s share of independents and drain the Republican primary of these voters. It now appears that, perhaps with a sense that Obama had a lock on the Democratic side, independents felt free to vote on the Republican side and reward their hero, John McCain.
. Emptywheel:
I think Romney, McCain, and Huck are all viable in MI; it’ll be the first state (and the only one before Florida) where it’ll be a three-way race among all these candidates "who can’t win." But it’s going to be a very weird vote, with one week, no polling, high costs, and the whole cross-over thing, to confuse the issue. I suspect McCain will win, but I also suspect this primary may end up stumping the pundits even more than Hillary’s win last night did, even as it takes on unexpected importance.
It is important to remember that Clinton remains very popular with partisan Democrats, and Obama has been at odds with liberal bloggers, who can cause problems for candidates both with their harsh writing and calls to action to their readers. It will be trench warfare in the weeks ahead.
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Rachel’s on.
Should be good.
If I had teh power, Dodd or Edwards would have swept both primaries and would be heading out in triumph for the next round.
I must not judge a candidate by his or her supporters.
I’d like to comment, but I need to go practice my harsh writing.
please practice. We need you to do better and harsher!
What really happened at the Iran Naval Battle:
http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/
Ding ding ding!
You can if you watch this.
Just off the phone with a friend who watched MSNBC yesterday before voting and after watching the Tweety and Delay show of Hillary and Bill bashing was so furious that he got into his car and voted for Sen. Clinton.
My friend who was leaning towards Kucinich and Edwards.
He’s a male carpenter in his 40’s.
-G
Rachel talking about how the real shocker yesterday was that a former gov. of MA lost in NH.
Willard wasn’t really the gov. of MA. He was an empty suit with the careful coif. A doppelganger. Don’t know where his real body hung out for 4 years.
I am proud to be a licensed harshitect.
Okay, I must not judge a candidate by his or her supporters except for Ron Paul.
Hello Jane – the longer this process goes on the more the candidates self-reveal.
Lil ole me has more power than I ever thought I had. My, my. Guess I may as well use it to the fullest. Gee. I would have remained low key but if I get accused of being powerful and blamed for open warfare, I may as well live up to my reputation.
Is Jackson saying if Obama doesn’t win every time the people who won cheated? That’s my logical conclusion but I have peculiar logic. My nine year old temper tantrum granddaughter jumps up and down when she loses, too.
Obama does have terrific talent as a motivational speaker.
Good one.
Here we have a confluence of campaign dynamics though surrogates of both sides playing the race card and the misogyny card. Shaheen, Kerrey, Jackson, Obama’s condescending asshole comment, “You’re likable enough!” On and on.
I sure hope there’s some big fucking unity thing happening at the end of this when all is said and done. It’s going to be ugly on our side even before we get to the Republicans.
And if Lux is right and Edwards ends up kingmaker, he gets to pick between the first woman president or the first African American president possibly. Not a position I’d envy. If he makes a deal and “wins” something, even then, on some level, he might lose, or more to the point, we all lose.
Sigh. I’ve seldom been one to shy from conflict in my adult life, to a fault, but I sure hope these nuclear social crosscurrents lead to progress, and leadership emerges from all concerned.
Everyone seems to want to turn this into a two horse race already, but the longer there are more choices, the more informed the voters are.
As we already know that anyone of the Dems is a better choice and by the race being ‘hard to call’ means more sunlight on issues and previous voting records etc…It’s all good..
A little OT, but still related..
A Conversation With Dennis Kucinich
This interview, originally published by The Philadelphia Inquirer, was conducted Dec. 19 in the Washington office of the Ohio Democrat.
http://www.truthdig.com/interv….._kucinich/
The military knows that they have a pack of rubes that will dance like organ grinding monkey’s at the snap of a finger.
We’ll have a Gulf of Tonkin incident before long.
-G
I am still catching up with MSNBc’s live New Hamphire coverage on Tivo. I just can’t watch any other channel. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow kept me from screaming at that asshole Joe Scarobourogh. Tom Brokaw telling Tweety to stop trying to tell the voters what to think and let them have their say was just priceless. Nearly everyone is sick of Cheney/Bush Inc, and there are just as many of us who are sick of wealthy, spoiled, white male pundits telling us what to think.
I’m just hoping that they feel pushed leftward. I still don’t trust either Hill or Barak when it comes to cozying up to the corpos. We need to keep up the pressure on that score.
How much uglier could it possibly be than watching any of the rethugs doing their thing?
Well, we’ve heard from all of the so called experts but not from the most important source of information – The Super 8 Ball.
There’s already bad blood, you can see it.
What happens when it’s all said and done is going to be interesting but there will still be a whole lot of players moving around at that same time. It might be a while before we see what really comes of it.
I agree, I’m glad the race didn’t get decided last night if for no other reason than people will still stay tuned and listen to the Democrats talk about their issues and get the message out.
I do worry, like Pach, that if things get too negative and ad hominim that at the end we’re going to have a real tough time bringing people together in any kind of unified way going into the general, and we simply can’t endure more Republican rule. The numbers say we don’t have to, and the worst thing that could happen is that we tear ourselves apart and let that happen.
Bush’s Heal the Middle East Tour has opened to rave reviews:
“Since America began to be involved in the Middle East … the suffering of Muslim and non-Muslim nations has gone from bad to worse.” — Radical Iraqi Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr.
-G
Jesse Jackson Jr is — I can’t think of a word bad enough for him.
Because what he has done has been to put Obama in a very tough spot, is holding him hostage so to speak. Obama needs the Rainbow Coalition to get out the African American vote in So Carolina and in urban areas in Michigan and other Super Tuesday states. Every vote counts. So he can’t very well diss Jesse Jr now, even though if he doesn’t, he has to live with the fact that if he lets this kind of trash talk (she was crying about her hair???? What a lying shithead.) go without distancing himself, he WILL loose a lot of women voters, as well as a bunch of African American ones. Like my neighbor who is actually from New Orleans and is ripshit at Jesse Jr’s “spin.”
I know someone who really loves Ron Paul.
Yeah, he’s a 30-ish male and he’s just not into paying taxes for other people’s health care or roads or anything. I feel sorry for him, but I do not get him at all.
Yeah, and the fact that they aren’t is really bumming me out.
Let’s not forget that Reagan chose Poppy Bush after all their bad blood.
Thus beginning the reign of the Connecticut Caligula’s.
-G
I found this analysis at Kos today, showing, as it claims, that we could be headed toward a brokered convention, in which Edwards would, at minimum, hold the delegates necessary for heavily influencing the platform.
Here is the analysis from Chez Cracker
I think Clinton won because of Lazio effect
Mark Penn is right. Women will make the difference
The media and her opponents attacked her for playing the gender
card while simultaneously playing the race card for the historic moment of the first black president.
She needs to stay on message to women.
Women are the largest voting block.
The mistake was being pushed around and responding.
The effort to reach out to women voters in NH was successful
OT – But not really because while the carnival performers and carnival goers are sizing up each other’s circle and pouring ground glass in each other’s shoes, The War College has already made plans for day one of his/her administration. The deed is done.
Erstwhile, Matthews is entertaining the masses and the War Room is busy, busy, busy. It doesn’t matter who is elected because they already signed on to a hundred year war which McCain only borrowed to look like his ear to the ground gives him an edge.
Yesterday’s conference at the Heritage Foundation on long term strategy in Irag is a plan already going forward. It’s amazing what men in the War College can devise from their ivory tower. Check out C-SPAN Tuesday, January 8. It will hold your attention.
The dye is cast and the person in the oval office will be a figurehead with little impact.
I just can’t watch any other channel. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow kept me from screaming at that asshole Joe Scarobourogh.
IMHO, you should never let anyone or anything stop you from screaming at JoeScar.
The problem with all the shit being thrown at Hillary is that it doesn’t make her a better candidate.
My family in Michigan just e-mailed and said that since the Dem slate is not complete, they’re going to vote for Romney (they can’t stomach pulling the lever for Huckabee) and since Rudy is a non-entity right now, he’s out of consideration, too.
I envy them the fun! WE moved to Arizona too soon, damnit!
If there is a brokered convention and Edwards has 20% of the votes how does it work. Does he get to decide where those votes go or do the other candidates have to make their case and woo them?
I had to stop watching the Sunday shows when my daughter was a baby. I thought I could stop cursing at the screen and just make rude gestures, but then she used one of the (very) rude gestures on her babysitter when he said she had to wait for a bottle.
I think that secretly Barak has the hots for Hillary. Nothing like a feisty older woman;))
It’s a play for the AA vote in S.C. (and elsewhere). Probably a pretty safe play as well. I don’t see how it will cost him any votes in the AA community.
Bad blood? I remember what Edwards and Kucinich did to Howard Dean. Howard Dean is the one person who ever asked me (well you know what I mean) to get off the couch and do something. And Dean was politically killed in Iowa by his “friends.” And I still support Edwards now, and I voted for kerry. So bad blood has a way of dissipating when the consequences of not voting for someone, anyone, other than republican becomes the end game.
We can all hope for this anyway.
It’s twue, it’s twue.
Borat.
Re; the ‘Iranian incident’ on Monday, there appears to be something going on.
There was a short blurb during the reporting on the ‘incident’, about a missing sailor and then either Mon or Tues two of our planes ‘collided’ in the same area.
Also apparently Israel has decided that flying Bush around puts him at risk from Palestinian/Hamas/boogymen bottle rockets, so Bush will be driving around instead.
It’s going to be an interesting week…
Rachel said she would be on the end of Olberman and beginning of Dan Abrams—different studios and no breaks between them. Running shoes time.
I’m not positive about the rules but I think pledged delegates are through the first vote. After that, it becomes an open convention and multiple ballots with the back room deal making taking over.
Perhaps not, but at least some folks are catching on to the fact that the Village’s smear tactics don’t make anyone a bad or worse candidate. At least, I hope that’s part of the message. IOW, I hope MSM has gone just a bit too far with the ridiculous personal attacks and stupid horserace coverage and some folks are starting to call BS and think for themselves. It’s about time Tweety et al started paying a price for their “diarrhea of the mouth.”
FunnyDiva
People Have The Power
I’m sickened by this Jackson video. It’s full of blatant lies and distortions. Its stupidity alarms me. I was in the Obama camp, but now I really don’t know.
It’s not just Jesse Jackson Jr. On Tweety, one of Obama’s supporters Dyson? implied very strongly that racism played a role in his loss in NH. Pat friggin Buchanan got het up and said “don’t diminish her victory” or some such. Tweety called him Alan Alda. The point is, it seems to me a lot of Obama’s supporters are calling people racist if they don’t vote for him.
Obama has pissed me off enough with his Elmer Gantry act-if the racism card keeps getting played by his supporters and he doesn’t say anything, I’ll have to assume he approves of this manipulative tactic.
Boy, that’s way over my head. But either way, supporting Edwards could have positive policy influence, even if he’s not the nominee.
I’m basing that on what I read today. (It’s true I’m a sucker for graphs. And the loud, sucking sounds that go with them.)
More input on this would be appreciated.
I don’t think I really like that. That means that we wouldn’t necessarily pick our candidate. The party PoohBahs whould get to. Hmmm.
Wait a minute—the Politico thinks Hillary Clinton is popular amongst the netroots? Are they insane? They just made that up!!!
OK, here’s this to ponder, from Progressive Punch, listed in descending order by their Progressive Score:
Senator Clinton 91.29 16/100
Senator Obama 88.76 24/100
Rep. Kucinich 87.42 121/432
Senator Dodd 86.57 28/100
Senator Biden 84.26 31/100
Ha! You didn’t know that both Obama and Clinton were more progressive than Kooch? Of course, the mix of House data is different from Senate issues, but I think these ratings will surprise many.
The big problem with Clinton’s score, to me, is in the categories of
War & Peace (17 subcategories) 80.30 39/100(T), and
Human Rights & Civil Liberties (9 subcategories) 82.22 30/99(T)
Those two scores really bug me.
Bob in HI
OT
Judge won’t press on CIA tapes‘ destruction. Not good.
We want a new Democratic president who is interested in diplomacy, rather than war, education, health care, justice, fairness, righting the economy, “real” campaign finance reform, the well being of the planet and other issues. We trust Clinton and Obama equally on tackling these issues. Obama and HRC. These two are about as interesting as a wet towel. Hillary and Obama? Oh hummmm.
They make up 99.9% of the crap they publish. So what else is new?
You don’t suppose the Israelis set shrub up. They’ve done this before to their own. Oops. Watch your “friends” shrub. You never know what they have in mind for you. I think a car is an open invitation.
Those Citigroup and JP Morgan CEO’s have some of the pens Bill Clinton used to sign NAFTA and the like handing up in the hallways to their office (in their little shrines to themselves). Literally.
Um. The people talking about the “Bradley Effect” aren’t just Obama’s supporters. Or are they secretly Obama’s supporters?
Yep. And that’s one of the major reasons a “national primary day” (among other bad ideas) wouldn’t really work. Too many ways for the back room deal makers to muck things up
My Sweetie, Rachel was just asking for some popcorn… Citing the Culinary Union in Vegas and SEIU just endorsed Obama, not, Clinton…
Well, you know, Hillary is mean and so are we.
“Obama has pissed me off enough with his Elmer Gantry act-if the racism card keeps getting played by his supporters and he doesn’t say anything, I’ll have to assume he approves of this manipulative tactic.”
Are you holding the HRC campaign to the same standard? I assume so. According I expect that you want her to say something about the Gloria Steinem op-ed. Is that correct?
Welcome to the system. Direct all complaints to Howard Dean.
Congratulations to ex-DOJster Judge Henry Kennedy who refuses to grow a pair and is allowing Mukasey to obfuscate along with CIA who today said that he would leave the investigation to Unitary Executive DOJ.
Judge Kennedy’s Order
And the beat goes on. Congress and the Judiciary roll over and play wussey for Bushy, as DOJ continues to run interference like a Mafia Consigliere. Mukasey and the judges (both trial and appealate) in the D.C. Circuit could have played Silvio Dante on the Sopranos.
It might have been at Kos but somewhere I read that one result could be Edwards as the King or Queen maker.
So does he throw his support to Senator Clinton for the first female major party candidate.
Or does he throw his support to Senator Obama for the first African-American major party candidate.
Which group gets to cry foul and call Edwards a sell out?
A caller just asked Rachel about dissing Tweety… ;-)
Hillary and Obama. Time outs for both of you. And you will write five hundred sentences saying, “I will campaign on the issues”. And no recesses for a week.
Pollsters and pundits struggled to come up with reasons including the Bradley Effect. But that was not an accurate explanation of what happened. On the Monday before the election a story of corruption broke out about Dinkins. It had not been the first. The Marist Poll surveyed voters through election eve. The results found in the midst of such intense media pounding about the corruption scandal many voters had, in fact, become disillusioned with Dinkins. His lead had collapsed in our Marist Poll from 13 percentage points on Sunday to barely 2 percentage points by Monday night. This matched the eventual election result.
Here in New Hampshire, for the most part, Obama’s support was not overstated in the polls. But the polls missed the magnitude of the support for Clinton. Although the pollsters in New Hampshire cannot have Monday night back, we plan to re-contact in the next few days the voters we spoke with over the weekend to glean whatever additional insights we can.
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/
Romney pulls ads from SC and FL.
Awwwww. /snark
FunnyD
OTJudge won’t press on CIA tapes‘ destruction. Not good.
Lovely. Judge orders production of any evidence of illegal activity at Gitmo.
Government doesn’t produce. Government gets busted.
Government argues “hey Judge, we didn’t engage in any of that illegal activity at Gitmo. We did it at way more illegal black sites!”
Judge says “oh, that’s different then. No problem.”
I hate fucking lawyers.
Me, an Edwards supporter… 8-(
FYI to anyone who wants to listen to Rachel’s show. iTunes under radio then talk has Air America as one of the channels. You can also stream through their web site, but it never worked as well for me.
Ummm… Aren’t ya one…? ;-)
I’m not giving up on Edwards just yet, but if he does have the chance to play king/queenmaker I hope he trades it for a place on the US Supreme Court.
Thanks for the link which I’ve bookmarked. Looks like a another good source of information, along with Col. Pat Lang’s website.
and all 3 of the dem front runners are too.
Oh well.
Molly Ivins once said something similar about how Ann Richards became governor of Texas; she said “Bubba” may be hateful, spiteful, racist, homophobic, and barely able to read, but he does not take kindly to those who insult a lady. That may very well have put Senator Clinton over the top.
What about attorney general?
How True…! *g*
I sent him a c-note today. He needs money to keep on going. And don’t do it through Act Blue—the stoopid FEC won’t match those. Go directly to his web site
I hate fucking lawyers.
Ummm… Aren’t ya one…? ;-)
Oh.
Yeah.
Ummm, I hate fucking government lawyers.
There.
I live near enough to Madison (commune with satan), WI, to get one of the only F.M. stations to carry her show.
Rachel in hi-fi, can’t be beat!
You should hear a Malloy rant in crystal clarity!
Hey! Brokered convention question on Rachel.
I first real bit if negativity I noticed on the Dem side was the Hillary’s insults after Iowa, and then Bill’s very strange diatribe about Obama a few days ago.
Before that, it seemed like just the usual making cases where each candidate is difficult. From what I’ve seen, the Clintons were the first to show actual dislike for another Dem.
Doesn’t seem fair to lump Obama into this IMHO.
(I did notice that comment during the debate from Obama, but personally took that as one of those moments where you try to be funny, but end up saying something insulting and then thinking, D’oh! It didn’t seem motivated by hate like especially Bill’s rant against Obama, when he hwas asked about Mark Penn.)
Hillary, Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Now there’s a mighty quartet. Obama vs. Hillary. I can’t take it. The suspense is killing me.
Hmmm… How about Federalist Society, Government Lawyers…? ;-)
KGC @ 79: AG = not bad, but he would have a good 25 years on the Court. Just once I’d like an appointment to the High Court to be a lawyer who actually had real people with real problems as clients.
You mean the same people in the media who anointed Obama are talking about the Bradley Effect. They are “effectively” saying that all those women who went for Clinton lied to the pollsters because they are secret racists. That pisses me off, sorry, as a woman and a Democratic voter.
I’m for Edwards, so don’t expect me to hold Hillary to any kind of standard unless she starts calling us all stupid or some such for not voting for her. But the fact is, I haven’t read Steinam’s op ed, you’ll have to fill me in.
speaking of f*cking government lawyers, the Indiana voter ID law was before the Supremes today and it sounds like yet another rigging by the rethugs.
I’ll be damned if that court is going to decide another election—but they are trying hard to do just that.
And the Infant in Charge is in the Middle East screaming about Iran.
I was the supreme court appointements to all be 36yo in great health with parents who lived to be a hundred.
Hmmm… How about Federalist Society, Government Lawyers…? ;-)
Now you’re just tryin’ to get me going, aren’t ya?
Is there an emoticon for steam coming out of my ears?
{^^^^}? *g*
I think it has only been in the last few decades that even being a lawyer was seen as prerequisite for the Supreme Court. I have to say I am vastly unimpressed by the current crop of lawyers on the Supreme Court. They are blatantly ideological and take far fewer cases than they did in the past.
I have never been more revulsed with an American president.
As I recall this 12 year old was ridiculing Bill Clinton for his ‘desperation’ in trying to solve the Arab/Israeli issue.
-G
Does this logically mean that any last minute votes for Clinton came not from Obama supporters (as his results pretty much matched the polling) but from Edwards supporters?
oh Indiana – sigh. Trying so hard to prove it’s a Southern state. The Supremes might have another case from here one of these days. Today the first arrest warrants for persons who skipped *jury duty* were issued:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/p…..8301090009
Yeah, that’ll pass constitutional muster.
Bone-fucking-heads…
How about.
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(Hair challenged)
I just haven’t come across many wise lawyers. Wise lawyer seems to be an oxymoron. When you have an ex who is a lawyer you become disenchanted with the mystique fast.
works for me. heh.
hair-challenged here too. No heh.
It looks like that…it will be interesting to see what Marist finds out when they poll again.
Better.
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Ahem.
It looks like Sen. McCain is planning on governing by using the Burma, Khaddaffy, Pinochet model of leadership.
There is only one man who should decide when to withdraw from Iraq and that is (General) David Petraeus,” the Arizona Senator said.
Dave Petraeus, Dave Petraeus.
-G
Sounds like military rule to me.
News from Iraq: Nine Americans killed yesterday and today. The military didn’t bother to mention the wounded nor civilians killed and wounded.
Does McCain have a plan to keep Petraeus alive for 100 years?
yeah, well, civilian control of the military is so 1787.
Michael Eric Dyson just called all the women in New Hampshire racists
Not meant personally. I’m sure you’re a sweetheart. Well, that may be pushing it;D
To be honest I am already exhausted with NH. It is another small state with few delegates whose importance is consistently overrated and overblown. Can’t we choose our candidates in a more intelligent fashion? Something like a paintball tournament maybe.
Something like a paintball tournament maybe.
My money would be on Kucinich. He could hide behind a stump.
There is a new WHO study out that “estimates that 151 000 Iraqis died from violence between March 2003 and June 2006.” This is smaller than the John Hopkins study that estimated IIRC 650,000 excess deaths.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre…..index.html
Ooh, Low Blow…! ;-)
OT..
Unconfirmed report that NBC announced Richardson is out.
Now you’re talking. This is the first time I’ve paid much attention to the US primary process, and I have to say it is one of the silliest electoral processes I have ever heard of.
Richardson dropping out.
Exactly the point I was trying to make up thread and got slapped. It’s looking like a pattern to me.
The term is not dead. We use the term freedom nap.
-Ministry of Happy Talk
Didn’t Lancet, peg it at an even higher number…?
We need to turn over choosing a president to 4th graders. They are far more inventive and they don’t carry all the baggage adults carry. I think I’m going into burn-out panic as I’m preparing to head to Nevada. It’s called punchy.
much higher number long ago.
Ooooh. Call them and convince them to vote for Paul instead. He’s the one the cross-overs are supposed to back this year!!!
Did the earlier estimate not include non-violent deaths that were attributable to the war/occupation? I think they are measuring different things.
665K as of Oct. 2006
Larry Sabato gives us his conventional wisdom from the right
it must have been racism in NH…when Obama got the same number of votes the polls said he would….he is a maroon
Don’t know why the pundits are having such a difficult time figuring out NH. It’s simple and I would like to make it into a bumper sticker
“DON’T P*SS OFF THE LADIES”.
EW, there’s only two Dems on the MI ballot, Hill and Dodd, right? How about pulling the Dem Ticket and filling in Edwards, or Gore…?
Why not a law to make every future federal bench appointment alternately male and female?
The Lancet study was in part carried out by John Hopkins. There were two Lancet studies. The first was in 2004. The better known was in 2006.
k, so much for my theory.
Frankly I’m relieved. Hillary has “found her voice”. I had no idea it was lost.
Why not a law to make every future federal bench appointment alternately male and female?
ok, so maybe you could find enough people dying to be judges who would consent to *one* sex change operation.
But to make them keep switching back and forth? Nah – too much.
Those who voted to attack Iraq and for whatever reason, cannot admit that vote was a mistake, have much blood on their hands.
And the Boob in Charge is swaggering around the Mideast.
http://www.rttnews.com/FOREX/g…..38;item=10
“The two F-18 Super Hornets – a single-pilot F/A-18E and a two-seat F/A-18F from the Truman’s embarked Carrier Air Wing 3 – were providing en route close air support mission in Iraq when they crashed, the 5th Fleet said in a written statement.
The Super Hornets’ collision was not related to an incident Monday at the south end of the Persian Gulf when five Iranian attack boats harassed three US warships emerging from the Strait of Hormuz, said 5th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff.”
Same day.
This racism canard will be a tool for the GOP to use in a wedge campaign.
That is why these brain dead assholes are pushing it.
-G
Obama, Hillary, the DLC and the GOP. ‘Voices for change’.
I think the exit polling hiccup last night smells of a Rovian tactic originated in camp Clinton to skew the early projections and make whatever the “comeback” total more dramatic.
I started to try to make sense out of what’s gone on in Michigan and what’s going to happen. It should be officially called the Michigan clusterf**k. I forgot whether you could say that word at FDL.
At least they made it a primary and not a caucus, and Obama’s not on the ballot.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a…..id=3510203
“The US Naval Forces Central Command in Bahrain says a sailor from USS Hopper has gone missing in a military exercise in the Persian Gulf.
The US Navy, in a statement, said the sailor went missing on Friday around 7:30 local time.
Despite the search conducted by air and surface forces from USS Hopper and USS Port Royal, the sailor still remains missing, the statement added.”
“….he is a maroon”
Damn. All along I’ve been thinking he was a black!
Gotta do more fact checking.
Bob in HI
You’d either have to stipulate in the law I propose that sex change operations are allowed for the purposes of the gender on the bench, or they aren’t.
Considering their expense, I don’t expect them to have anything to do with changing gender for the purposes of an appointment.
Maybe a role that the blogs and the commenters can play is to keep the candidates from going nuclear on each other to the extent that they blow the election.
I’m going to say this FWIW. Bush’s expression during his presser with Olmert this morning was exactly like his expression during his “reading My Pet Goat upside down”…biting his cheek…pale…shifting eyes…not focussed…I think he’s been told that something is gonna happen…he doesn’t know what, but he knows that when it does…he will announce that we attack Iran. Tic..toc..tic..toc..tic
It’s happened as I’m sure you know in several states. I don’t remember what the distribution of them are.
As long as he has the goat book in his pocket–that’s the important thing to him.
Here is my take on the vocal tune-up “…I want to especially thank New Hampshire, over the last week I listened to you and in the process
I found John Edwards’ voiceI found my own voice.”He thinks it’s the pocket Constitution.
Yep. I think this is the pre-regional war plotting session as opposed to a peace pow-wow.
Fitting that Bush uses peace for cover for war.
Then again he did say:
When I talk about war, I mean peace.
-G
Actually she copied everything Obama was saying and doing, and she continues to. That Change bumper sticker on her bus and the hillarychopper must still be have wet glue.
Okay, now we’re pokin’ around about what else don’t we know..did you hear this story about China snubbing the US Navy in Taiwan at Thanksgiving due to strained relations???????
http://abcnews.go.com/Internat…..id=3904325
LOL–you’re way more dead-on then you think.
She and Mitt seem to be incapable of original thought.
Anybody think that Cheenee sent W, Condi, and Hadley to the Middle East???
It’s foolish to spend energy directly tearing down another Democrat. It’s stupid for a public figure, who relies on well-crafted theatricality as well as sincereity, at the best of times, to question the performance of another Democrat. Viewers will make their own call on whether those tears are real or from a crocodile. Bash the real opponents and sell what you stand for.
And stand for something that includes what you’ll do with the reality of the mess The Shrubster will leave behind, and how hard his backers will fight to avoid changing a damn thing. It already works for them, and they ain’t giving up without a Wall Street fight. So, if you want to play genteel Eliot Ness in the three-piece suit, at least bring along Sean Connery and his night stick.
I think we need to watch the Middle East really closely.
Bush is becoming a liability, ‘If’ Bush should ‘happen’ to be ‘hurt/deaded’ by ‘Hamas linked to Iran/Copy’. Israel could ’solve’ their Palestinian problem, Israel/Cheney could launch an attack re; Iran before we really knew about it.
Iran would launch against our Fleet and block the Straits. Middle East goes up in flames. Oil goes nuts, economy goes bust(er) and all I can think is
‘Oh look, yet another ‘Pearl Harbor’.
It’s a good job everyone here is good at multi-tasking :)
1. She wore a Monica-blue dress.
2. She boohooed in front of everyone (well, sorta) while wearing it
3. On election day a out-of-the-blue protester (yea, right) blurted out “Iron My Shirt”
Faced with these revelations women all over the state of New Hampshire changed their mind and voted for Hillary. – Oh heck, I don’t believe it either, but it kinda went down like that.
If the supporters are nasty and the candidate says nothing, then what does that say about the candidate?
Out of curiosity, when Edwards said what he said about Hillary, did she or someone from her campaign come back at him about misogyny or did that charge come from outside of her campaign?
It would make for an interesting comparison of Obama and Clinton.
Did you know that 96.39% of all newspaper reports about statistics are just lies?
Is that because he “remained above the fray” and just directed his evil flying monkeys to do the nasty work?
I wish I knew whether he was really at all like those supporters. That would certainly clarify things well.
It’s hard to say. JRE was polling about 17% for a while before the primary. He might’ve won some after Iowa and then lost ‘em back, but nobody knows.
Is he an Obama guy? Where do such ‘Democrats’ come from? Sheesh. Let’s get Obama on the record on this ‘racism’ thing. We’ve got to know where he stands.
Didn’t some pasty-faced Republican consultant suggest they wanted to shrink the Constitution to where they could scrunch it down into a pocket where nobody would see it?
LOL.
“I just don’t want to see us fall backwards.”
That train, Hillary left the station years and years ago. And you gave it a good swift kick along the way.
Senator “Nobody Will Be Forgotten Clinton’s Voting Record” Anatomy of a Long Backward Fall
When will the obvious answer be recognized??? Counting needs to be done not only in public, but recorded on video. Banks do it, casinos do it. For paper ballots, just use cameras mounted over the table and every vote is visible. This can be broadcast live so anyone interested can observe the count. This allows anyone to do an unofficial recount in a speedy and cost efficient manner. Cameras should also record all activity in the polling place and counting rooms. Electronic results can still be hacked, but video will help make switching cards more difficult, and will help spot suspicious activity in the area of the machines. A return to paper ballots, video security in the polling place, and the use of live video feeds and recorded counts will eliminate the majority of opportunities for counts to be altered or manipulated at local polling places.
“They” will claim it would be too expensive, but I’d rather my tax money be spent this way than on unsecured voting computers that don’t allow every vote to be accounted for!!
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What a wonder full ideal. Anonymous Coward is presenting something America needs, way over due. More over this is the second day America is listening to the rant of what went wrong in the poles. So, what does Chris Mathews do in his analysis? For that matter across the spectrum is witness to Mainstream Media now blaming the candidates and the American voter. Hello America are you reading this? Everyone in America should be furious.
Right away blame the candidates, Blame emotions like sex differences, race discrimination, and worst all with open arrogance with fired up disrespectful audacity the son of bitch that is given the opportunity, licensed by the FCC, to serve the public community says that very public is lying to the Mainstream Media. The public is giving the Mainstream Media bad data, we the public who have a right of secret ballot, who don’t have to tell anyone what we voted for are blame for the problem that they the Media screwed up.
Ladies and Gentleman of America The Media across the spectrum, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and a host of others are all connected with a mind set that we the American citizen that has the right to a private ballot is the problem of their so called exit system tabulation. After casting my ballet sometimes I just smile at an exit pollster with nothing said. When in fact those mainstream Media persons that are assigned to collect this data could very well be biased, corrupt, or just plain loyal to fix the numbers. Isn’t this neat this bastard Chris Mathews is solidly shifting the blame on American citizens rather then admitting Mainstream Media screwed up. Of course with this said that Mainstream Media screwed this one how many others have been screwed how many others have been fixed. Of course from perspective, this can only be a Republican from of blame. Sounds like “the fix is in” at MSNBC. We already know our regular election is an embarrassment.
Their should be something we should do as Americans, require the FCC to ask exit pollsters some questions like who they are, some form of identification, name their organization, what or why are they collecting how do they record the data. Let get a video record of the transaction, make that a requirement if they want to publish through the electromagnetic spectrum do with values that support the Constitution.
Maybe here is were America could start to kick those son of bitches in the ass Mainstream Media, to be able to review a video recording of exit polling data the same way Anonymous Coward described above for regular ballet counting. If an American does not want to talk about their vote so be it. Come on America get hot give em hell because it gets tired to eat cake.
Hi Jane,
The Jesse Jackson Jr. comment is not subtle and is foolish. However, the motivation behind it is transparent. S. Carolina is going to be a critical contest as they head into the Super Tuesday contests. Given Hillary’s “stunning” and “remarkable comeback” in New Hampshire, S. Carolina becomes even more critical to the Obama campaign. It will be interesting to watch how the Obama campaign uses surrogates and its own operatives to wedge black votes from Hillary and to motivate and galvanize a huge black turnout for Obama. The Jackson incident is the worst possible way to try to do this.
However, a much more subtle way to accomplish the same goal is the approach employed by an Obama supporter who is a political commentator on MSNBC. Michael Dyson argued that the election results in NH were a result of racism. He argued that racism was at play b/c all the polls showed that Obama should have won but now we had this stunning upset unsupported by the polls. The subtle context of his argument was that a black man cannot get a fair shake from a white electorate. It’s called the Bradley effect – white voters tell pollsters that they will vote for a black candidate because it’s the politically correct thing to say and they don’t want to appear to be racists but when they go to the polls they vote for the white candidate.
The reason why the Jackson and Dyson comments are interesting to me is b/c S. Carolina is a very important state for Obama, he really needs a win there to more effectively take on Clinton on Super Tuesday. Clinton has a reservoir of goodwill and votes in the black community in S. Carolina. The Obama campaign needs to peel off black voters from Clinton and to increase turnout among his black supporters in order for him to guarantee a win in S. Carolina.
The messaging of supporters like Dyson could drive turnout among black voters in S. Carolina. One of the best things you can do to drive your field operations is to have a rallying cry to get your voters, which you have already identified, to the polls. By subtly messaging to black voters that Obama did not get a fair shake from the white electorate in NH, it’s possible to excite them to right the wrong by turning out to vote for Obama. Every good field operation needs a strong catalyst to help it drive turnout. Obama needs a big turnout. What we don’t know is whether this is a strategy that is approved by the Obama campaign.
Playing the racism card could also “moot” the Clinton victory in white NH among black voters in SC. This is important b/c it makes it easier for Obama to increase black support and to even peel away black voters from Clinton if it appears that she is vulnerable. A vulnerable Clinton bleeds black support while a resurgent Clinton campaign will hold black votes.
What I’m going to watch is the covert and overt ground game that will get underway in earnest now in S. Carolina. We should see lots of signaling on both sides of the political divide. Is it cynical? Yes. But it could well be effective.
Just a few quick comments on the Bradley effect and the NH vote:
The election results and polling results show no significant diminution of support for Obama. His election performance is congruent with his polling numbers.
However, the Clinton polling numbers, exit poll results and election results really tell the tale of how she won. The answer in one word is women. Women voters made up a majority of voters and she easily won a plurality of their votes.
Why did the upset happen? It’s always tough to determine what exactly happened to give Clinton her upset win. According to the exit polls, she won among voters who had made up their mind more than a month ago. She also split the vote with Obama among voters who made up their mind in the last 3 days. This is significant. She had a lead among voters who had already made up their mind and she held her own with Obama among the late deciders. This was the margin of her victory.
How did she stay even with Obama among late deciders? Clearly, she was successful in getting her voters to the polls. The warm weather probably helped her campaign galvanize elderly women voters. And it’s likely that the constant beating she was taking in the final 3 days may have helped her field operation galvanize women voters.
I think it’s very important to point out the interplay between events on the ground, events that play out in the media and the field operations. No matter how good your field operations are, and Clinton’s was the best of the best, you really need some issue or some event that the field people can use to rally the voters and get them to the polls to vote. The “piling on” effect could very easily have been this galvanizing event. There is some anecdotal evidence for this.
How did the polls get it so wrong? Due to the compressed nature of the election cycle coming out of Iowa, it was a “perfect storm” of events and turnout that created the “wave” of Clinton support on election day. Had the cycle not been so compressed, it is likely that polling would have caught a turnaround.
Politically, it seems likely that the compressed nature of the election cycle prevented the Obama campaign from consolidating his Iowa bounce. Effectively, the campaign in NH was so close to the Iowa campaign that things were in flux. Voters did not have time to adsorb the results or to adequately access the Obama campaign. The Clinton campaign was a known commodity, had a superior field operation and were able to take voters from the Edwards campaign.
Didn’t you get the memo? War is Peace.
Speaking of 1984 references, I thought the funniest line on the past week’s Wait, Wait! Don’t Tell Me! was: