Comments on: MSNBC: You Have A Matthews (and a Gender) Problem http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:04:34 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: MyrtleJune http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195678 MyrtleJune Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:41:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195678 <p>deandra! Bullseye!!!!! That’s exactly what Tweety and faux news are doing. Its been obvious from jump. They want her in the general so they can unleash all manner of bill clinton’s …. er…. package escapades and once again ignore the issues, very real issues, at hand. Its what they do. Good for ratings, just like jerry springer. No value at all, but ratings. Ratings is great for advertisers. Who are the advertisers? Obvious answer. </p> <p>Its exactly what happened with the well timed tear business. The “we’ll show them!” snit fittery vote button was pushed and the pay off was a win. With hillary its always got to be a vote in defense of her “honor” because she’s right in lock step with gwbushco and what’s she going to say?….. “Vote for me because I want to do Iran… Because I want to privatize SS….” and so on? There is no middle of the road here because to get to the middle, we have to go harrrrrrd left. She can’t do that with any ligitimacy…. so she uses a tearful ploy…. that worked. :-(……</p> <p>With Hillary it has to be about her, and people make sure to keep it about her, not issues, not her position on issues. Not her proven record of supporting gwbush. Her very presence in this election is a big red herring that serves to obscure the real issues.</p> deandra! Bullseye!!!!! That’s exactly what Tweety and faux news are doing. Its been obvious from jump. They want her in the general so they can unleash all manner of bill clinton’s …. er…. package escapades and once again ignore the issues, very real issues, at hand. Its what they do. Good for ratings, just like jerry springer. No value at all, but ratings. Ratings is great for advertisers. Who are the advertisers? Obvious answer.

Its exactly what happened with the well timed tear business. The “we’ll show them!” snit fittery vote button was pushed and the pay off was a win. With hillary its always got to be a vote in defense of her “honor” because she’s right in lock step with gwbushco and what’s she going to say?….. “Vote for me because I want to do Iran… Because I want to privatize SS….” and so on? There is no middle of the road here because to get to the middle, we have to go harrrrrrd left. She can’t do that with any ligitimacy…. so she uses a tearful ploy…. that worked. :-(……

With Hillary it has to be about her, and people make sure to keep it about her, not issues, not her position on issues. Not her proven record of supporting gwbush. Her very presence in this election is a big red herring that serves to obscure the real issues.

]]> By: deandra http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195426 deandra Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:06:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195426 <p>Tweety doesn’t realize the more he attacks Hillary, the more the general public will rush, in pity, to her defense. How do they defend her? <strong>They vote for the poor old thing.</strong> Keep it up and we’ll sadly have Hillary as our next president. America loves the underdog (or whoever they determine to be the underdog).</p> Tweety doesn’t realize the more he attacks Hillary, the more the general public will rush, in pity, to her defense. How do they defend her? They vote for the poor old thing. Keep it up and we’ll sadly have Hillary as our next president. America loves the underdog (or whoever they determine to be the underdog).

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195394 tanbark Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:36:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195394 <p>Mkolb, you make the mistake of thinking that conservative anger at Hillary is rational. It is not. She’s Bill Clinton’s wife, and she didn’t dump him when he left office. She was outspoken and rightly so, on some important issues when she was first lady, instead of being into floral arrangements. She has been a good feminist, for which I respect her. </p> <p>But these things do not automatically entitle her to the democratic nomination. </p> <p>She has also supported some of the foullest things that george bush has done in his 7 years, and she has never taken the point on going after him for doing them. And it’s too late now to do it. Which is why she regularly gets her butt kicked on progressive blogs. </p> <p>What could be fairer?</p> Mkolb, you make the mistake of thinking that conservative anger at Hillary is rational. It is not. She’s Bill Clinton’s wife, and she didn’t dump him when he left office. She was outspoken and rightly so, on some important issues when she was first lady, instead of being into floral arrangements. She has been a good feminist, for which I respect her.

But these things do not automatically entitle her to the democratic nomination.

She has also supported some of the foullest things that george bush has done in his 7 years, and she has never taken the point on going after him for doing them. And it’s too late now to do it. Which is why she regularly gets her butt kicked on progressive blogs.

What could be fairer?

]]> By: Patrickson http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195366 Patrickson Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:06:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195366 <p>God, I am seriously in <em>love</em> with Rachel Maddow. She’s my political crush (Yes, I realize she’s not exactly lusting after the menfolk but you can’t blame a guy).</p> <p>Enough with the dumbass bigots whose favorite form of hate is misogyny (For the life of me, I can’t imagine the <em>Times</em> allowing an op-ed columnist spewing even homophobic nonsense the way Dowd spewed misogyny; apparently that form of intolerance remains a big seller as her piece is currently the most e-mailed article).</p> God, I am seriously in love with Rachel Maddow. She’s my political crush (Yes, I realize she’s not exactly lusting after the menfolk but you can’t blame a guy).

Enough with the dumbass bigots whose favorite form of hate is misogyny (For the life of me, I can’t imagine the Times allowing an op-ed columnist spewing even homophobic nonsense the way Dowd spewed misogyny; apparently that form of intolerance remains a big seller as her piece is currently the most e-mailed article).

]]> By: kenoshaMarge http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195355 kenoshaMarge Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:56:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195355 <p>Okay, thought I would try it again with my brain working in sync with my fingers.<br /> I wonder that the folks that dislike (or hate) Hillary Clinton so much do not see that the outrageous unfairness and the sexist remarks made about her force many bloggers and posters to defend her, even if they don’t like her, out of a sense of fair play. It isn’t just that Tweety is an idiot, although he his, or that his obsession with Clinton has become boring, although it has, it’s that were this degree of rampant misogyny directed at any other woman many of the same people would be appalled. Thus many liberal bloggers a defending a woman they don’t even like because they will not accept sexist behavior no matter whom the recipient is. It the Hillary Haters would just shut up, or better yet just state their facts fairly and without a gender bias we could all go back to touting our favorite candidate. Like I want to do. Go John Edwards!</p> Okay, thought I would try it again with my brain working in sync with my fingers.
I wonder that the folks that dislike (or hate) Hillary Clinton so much do not see that the outrageous unfairness and the sexist remarks made about her force many bloggers and posters to defend her, even if they don’t like her, out of a sense of fair play. It isn’t just that Tweety is an idiot, although he his, or that his obsession with Clinton has become boring, although it has, it’s that were this degree of rampant misogyny directed at any other woman many of the same people would be appalled. Thus many liberal bloggers a defending a woman they don’t even like because they will not accept sexist behavior no matter whom the recipient is. It the Hillary Haters would just shut up, or better yet just state their facts fairly and without a gender bias we could all go back to touting our favorite candidate. Like I want to do. Go John Edwards!

]]> By: kenoshaMarge http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195354 kenoshaMarge Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:54:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195354 <p>I wonder that the folks that dislike (or hate) Hillary Clinton so much do not see that the outrageous unfairness and the sexist remarks made about her force many bloggers and posters to defend her, even if they don’t like her, out of a sense of fail play. It isn’t just that Tweety is an idiot, although he his, or that his obsession with Clinton has become boring, although it has, it’s that were this degree of rampant misogony directed at any other woman the same people would be appalled. Thus many liberal bloggers a defending a woman they don’t even like because they will not accept sexist behavior no matter who the recipient is. It the Hillary Haters would just shut up, or better yet just state their facts fairly and without a gender bias we could all go back to touting our favorite candidate. Like I want to do. Go John Edwards!</p> I wonder that the folks that dislike (or hate) Hillary Clinton so much do not see that the outrageous unfairness and the sexist remarks made about her force many bloggers and posters to defend her, even if they don’t like her, out of a sense of fail play. It isn’t just that Tweety is an idiot, although he his, or that his obsession with Clinton has become boring, although it has, it’s that were this degree of rampant misogony directed at any other woman the same people would be appalled. Thus many liberal bloggers a defending a woman they don’t even like because they will not accept sexist behavior no matter who the recipient is. It the Hillary Haters would just shut up, or better yet just state their facts fairly and without a gender bias we could all go back to touting our favorite candidate. Like I want to do. Go John Edwards!

]]> By: bobh http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195250 bobh Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:44:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195250 <p>I can live with Hillary going down after a long, hard fight. But to see her humiliated, hounded from the race by pundit jackals, and gang-banged by her male opposition would have sent a very bad message to America’s women.</p> I can live with Hillary going down after a long, hard fight. But to see her humiliated, hounded from the race by pundit jackals, and gang-banged by her male opposition would have sent a very bad message to America’s women.

]]> By: RBG http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195089 RBG Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:28:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195089 <p>I had hopes that this might be a thread where the following message would not be needed but, sadly, the time has come to say:</p> <p>Debating the issues is encouraged, insulting other commenters will result in the mods removing your comment from the thread.</p> <p>Thanks</p> I had hopes that this might be a thread where the following message would not be needed but, sadly, the time has come to say:

Debating the issues is encouraged, insulting other commenters will result in the mods removing your comment from the thread.

Thanks

]]> By: mkolb http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195046 mkolb Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:09:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195046 <p>One last comment. If Sen. Clinton is the candidate of the MIC (which I assume to mean military-industrial complex), why on earth would the people at MSNBC be SO hostile to her? Afterall, MSNBC is totally owned by GE, one of the world’s biggest weapons manufacturers. That’s counterintuitive. Perhaps it is because under former Pres. Clinton, they lost many battles? So perhaps Sen. Clinton isn’t their tool. Just something to think about. See here for good information on who gives and who gets: <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org" rel="nofollow">www.opensecrets.org</a></p> One last comment. If Sen. Clinton is the candidate of the MIC (which I assume to mean military-industrial complex), why on earth would the people at MSNBC be SO hostile to her? Afterall, MSNBC is totally owned by GE, one of the world’s biggest weapons manufacturers. That’s counterintuitive. Perhaps it is because under former Pres. Clinton, they lost many battles? So perhaps Sen. Clinton isn’t their tool. Just something to think about. See here for good information on who gives and who gets: http://www.opensecrets.org

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195004 Larue Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:42:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/09/msnbc-you-have-a-matthews-and-a-gender-problem/#comment-1195004 <p>We CAN’T put a stop to anything the MSM does!! It’s a phreakin fallacy!!</p> <p>The MSM is bought and paid for! SIMPLE!</p> <p>Back up, find the precept that goes with “We’re fighting Goliath” and then, figger out how to duke the odds.</p> <p>For cryin out loud people . . . it’s time to stop whinin about the media, yer soundin as bad as the right wing who says the MSM is liberal biased!!! </p> <p>It’s time to open yer windows, n shout it out loud.</p> <p>It’s Network Time.</p> <p>N for FDL to use Teh Tweet Factor, and complain about gender bashing, when we ALL know the entire MSM is right wing, is a horrible waste of progressive wanna be blog space. </p> <p>For DAWG’S sake people, there’s a revolution happening, and I SWEAR, at this point, FDL and you wanna be progressives are gonna kill any forward motion we might have to save this Republic, the middle class, and the masses. </p> <p>Yer all killin me. </p> <p>-Larue, The Progressive</p> We CAN’T put a stop to anything the MSM does!! It’s a phreakin fallacy!!

The MSM is bought and paid for! SIMPLE!

Back up, find the precept that goes with “We’re fighting Goliath” and then, figger out how to duke the odds.

For cryin out loud people . . . it’s time to stop whinin about the media, yer soundin as bad as the right wing who says the MSM is liberal biased!!!

It’s time to open yer windows, n shout it out loud.

It’s Network Time.

N for FDL to use Teh Tweet Factor, and complain about gender bashing, when we ALL know the entire MSM is right wing, is a horrible waste of progressive wanna be blog space.

For DAWG’S sake people, there’s a revolution happening, and I SWEAR, at this point, FDL and you wanna be progressives are gonna kill any forward motion we might have to save this Republic, the middle class, and the masses.

Yer all killin me.

-Larue, The Progressive

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