But last night after his vigorous and emotional defense of St. John the Divine, Atrios rightly characterized Matthews performance as "LEAVE JOHN MCCAIN ALOOOOOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now Matthews has taken up the cause of poor, beleagured Rudy Giuliani. He's sticking it to the New York Times for being unfair to Rudy over the Shag Fund, saying that their erroneous reporting cost Rudy 10 points in the polls, their story was wrong and they printed a "retraction" on page A-35.
But as Felix Gillette points out in the New York Observer, it wasn't a "retraction":
In short, then, Mr. Matthews was accusing The New York Times of running an inaccurate story that, along with others of its kind, did grave damage to the Giuliani campaign—a serious charge.
The Times’ initial Nov. 29 story, by William Rashbaum—about the then-mayor billing travel and security costs to the city during a time when he was having extramarital liaisons in the Hamptons—simply recounted on page 26 of the national section the original news, which had been broken by The Politico. It acknowledged that some questions about how those expenses had been billed to the city remained unclear in the aftermath of The Politico’s scoop—such as how much of the expenses were billed to the mayor’s agency and how much were billed to obscure city agencies.
The follow-up piece by reporter Russ Buettner, published Dec. 20 and labeled a “Checkpoint,” reported that, as it turned out, all eight of Mr. Giuliani’s trip to the Hamptons in 1999 and 2000 had been billed to the mayor’s office—while several subsequent trips in 2001, after Mr. Giuliani’s affair with Ms. Nathan had become public, were billed to a separate agency.
The item did throw cold water on the heated question of whether the mayor was using unusual accounting practices to keep his affair secret. But it did little to alter the basic facts of the larger narrative about (a) the cost to taxpayers of the mayor’s extramarital affair in the Hamptons and (b) his office’s still mysterious practice, as the Checkpoint noted, of shifting mayoral travel expenses “to lesser-known units,” a practice “other administrations frowned on.” And it never presented itself as a retraction or correction of the earlier story.
It's typical of the kind of deference Matthews always shows "manly men" (witness the embarrassing codpiece fealty that Digby has disturbingly chronicled for so long). What's up with that? I don't know, and I'm not sure I want to know.
But on cue, this morning, Matthews is back to bashing Clinton as nothing more than somebody's wife. And nobody challenges him, because as Bob Somerby has long argued, when liberal women disagree with Matthews, they're never invited back again. So to the extent that the women on the show aren't a pack of misogynistic vultures themselves (Andrea Mitchell, Maureen Dowd, Kate O'Beirne -- come on down!) and they disagree with Matthews, they're forced to choose between joining in in the festivities or being disappeared.
There are no women hosts on MSNBC who get that kind of tight content control. And that's a problem.
Four words, MSNBC: The Rachel Maddow Show.
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Zed, and I wish we could change Matthews.
Same question; if she can’t handle the de riguer diss from Tweety, now, how’s she going to handle it from he and the goopers if she makes it to the general?
The republican candidate will go after her like a Great White after a little seal.
It’s scary to think about.
He needs to go some place that would be good for his health and peace of mind - like Tibet.
You forget kathleen Parker? She’s godawful.
Does anyone have any data on Matthews? How many people actually watch that crap?
Me, I think someone ought to try to deliberately ignore Tweety while he’s trying to suck up to them. That’s gotta be the most effective way to shut him up…
What do you think, Jane??
I’ve seen no evidence that Senator Clinton is incapable of handling tweety and his gibberish.
What I do see is evidence of a lot of other people calling BS on his sexist, immature, rantings which do nothing more than prove he’s an idiot and that NBC/GE are not really interested in reporting Facts>
Reminds me of what they did to Dan Rather. The whole story of Bush getting out of serving his full time in the national guard was true, but a false memo (circulated by who knows) served to debunk the entire story.
Jane,
I have to admit I was sceptical of your claims about Matthews being Anti-Hillary/Misogynistic. So I did a little digging and found this piece over at MediaMatters that has some facts that support what you are saying.
Thanks, Dakine @8
Couldn’t have said it better/more concisely myself.
FunnyDiva
Jeebers. Yuk.
Chris Matthews has no self realization tools. He is all id.
Thanks, you want facts? Here’s your facts. Fact checking is pretty easy with the internet, too msm types don’t use it so much.
Tweety is delusional and when he is proven wrong he attacks the messenger or shuts them up. Chuck Todd tried to correct him once and Tweety shut him down.
His credo “Spin well spun is better than the truth”
“If she can’t handle it?”
That’s one of the most outrageously sexist things I’ve heard in this campaign, and I’ve heard a lot.
And it. Just. Doesn’t. Stop.
I hope that Oprah or Michelle or someone reads Jesse Jr the riot act. Because he is not helping, Katrina-code-words notwithstanding (and I don’t remember Obama shedding a lot of tears over Katrina either).
Thanks for the link. Here’s the money quote:
The bar graph tells it all.
Okay, maybe I’m living in some kind of altered reality, but if MY husband went on national television and said the things about any woman that Chris Matthews persists in spitting out on a daily basis, he and I would be having a bit of a chat about his misogyny when he arrived home.
Does she just think that things are fine as long as the paycheck clears?
Sheesh.
IMHO, YMMV,
-S
William Cohen on CNN concern trolling about we nasty partisan political people… only one response for that:
More and better Democrats!
Less Republican and Pundit Concern Trolling.
And this study by MediaMatters was done prior to the Iowa Caucus. Evidently, MSNBC did not get the memo and have chosen to allow Matthews to continue unfettered.
I think that would merit more than just a chat. It would in my house at least.
I like it, emptywheel.
How about an old Carlson-Begalla format, with Maddow having equal billing as Tweety on the same show?
That would keep blondie on a short leash, Rachel could point out his little sexisms aas they occur.
Anyone remember his interview with the lady who made the “Hillary Girl” video? I thought his tongue was going to hang out.
You know, the thing about them that amazes me is that we keep hearing from this very wing of both parties - the slightly to the right of Rockefeller Republican “center” - that we dasn’t fight any of Our Fearless Leader’s nominations because he as president has an Inalienable Right to choose anyone he wants for jobs in his gift, and it’s wrong to oppose him.
For months and months every other word out of Matthews’ mouth was that HRC could not be beaten….and on and on…then a couple of weeks ago, I heard him slam her bigtime, and it was then that I realized how much he really doesn’t like her…but this morning, he seemed to have lost it completely as he blatantly blamed Hillary’s win on lying voters!! Voters lied to the pollsters! Lying voters!!!
Then he insinuated that the voters lied because they didn’t want to admit their racism. The voters for the candidates are liars!!! He is out of his frickin’ mind.
Then, he turned around and made that comment about her New York win being because she had been cheated on by Bill…that she can only win by eliciting sympathy…that she has no mind or record of her own.
What kind of crazy thinking is that? Revenge thinking. He has a personal grudge with her…I don’t know what it is, but it is there.
Good Lord, Tweety defending Rudy? The guy with (ground) zero credibility?
I think “chat” is code for ripping him a new one. It is in my house, at least. ;)
HRC’s performance reminds me of the criminal judge who once told me that when a defendant cries or whimpers at sentencing, I think he or she is trying to bullshit me. A criminal defendant who is self contained is someone I can evaluate.
I think the press is quite condescending to HRC’s latest theatrics (my eyes well up). I strongly suspect that the Clintons will be outed in this campaign, finally.
I still resent the Clintons claim that they brought us that great economy when they were in power, based on foreign energy dependence at an accelerating rate. The Clintons point to the deficit when they left office. I point to the increased level of foreign energy dependence. The Clintons had no energy policy and still do not, except dependence on foregn fossil fuels. Shed a tear over that.
Bbbbut, Sunshine, the facts have a well-known, liberal partisan bias! It’s so mean to press them into service in critizing one’s opponents!
FunnyDiva
Luuuurve them double standards….NOT!
Here is a classic clip. Stephanie Miller defends Congressman Pete Stark and calls Matthews a “Right Wing Tool”. Matthews is clearly upset telling Steph, “Don’t come on and say you don’t want to talk about what you are talking about.” Steph is also tough on Kommander Guy but Matthews defends him, “I don’t think he is an evil guy.”
I personally think Matthews is an evil guy.
I can just see Rachel telling him “Tweety, you ignorant ####…”
oh wait. she already did that!
Tweety is all about making it out to be about Tweety.
” Bless his heart”.
/snark
Yeah, I’ll give an ear to any of the “moderate” Republicans when they show the tiniest bit of ethical standards instead of falling in lockstep with the dictates laid down from the WH. Enough of beating up on Dems for not standing up to Bush–until the so-called moderate Republicans actually show an iota of integrity and independence from der Bushentator.
Oh, and, Goldman Sachs is saying we’re on the road to Recession. Heckuva a job, Bushie. Heckuva job “moderate” Republicans.
I disagree. Any candidate - male or female - must be able to handle the rigors of a long, long campaign. Time will tell with Hillary as with any candidate. I hope she loses, but not because she couldn’t handle that. Know what I think? She’ll be fine.
Tweety is an “actor” on a teevee show and on cartoons.
Or, perhaps, less, if you know what I mean?
What things have the Republicans done in the past 8 years that merits that any of them be re-elected????? Exactly what??? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I think just to focus on mysogyny, and I’m not saying you are Jane, is to miss other collosal problems that have been evoked by Christy’s earlier post this morning on the “Tweety Factor,”
and your post here.
One huge problem is the ridiculous behavior of the media and I am not minimizing it, but any gender prejudice or mysogyny would be an important component of it.
This has gone through my mind and probably a lot of people’s and Mathews is not the only one guilty of it, and as I watched he and KO and Mitchell, and the rest of the talking heads, they were all guilty of this summed up very well in a post by LooseHeadProp on Christy’s thread “Media Analysis: the Tweety Factor Runs Rampant:”
LHP@129 Nails it:
Tweety has completely lost the distinctions between:
1) reporting news–ie actual facts
2) commenting on the news–”this is what I think about those actual facts”
3) presenting his opinion AS fact
He just cannot seem to get away from #3. Which is not legitimate journalism, it is propaganda
This failure to distinguish between news, comment (their used to be separate segments on the networks with the commentor labled as a comment rather than news) and the most important, #3 presenting Tweety’s and the rest of the so-called pundits’ opinions as fact.
I have a theory as to why this is happening, but I don’t know what the therapy for it is, other than better hiring and better journalism standards.
Maybe enough egg on their face could have some small impact, and moments like Rachel Madow’s putting this in Mathews’ face, but I don’t think eggo on face is enough to change this.
The reason that opinions presented as facts have become so common-place is ego. People like Mathews get in to a literal cadence that’s a frenzy (Tweety more than others) and they keep blurting whatever comes into their mind, and forget to report the facts. They begin to believe that whatever comes into their mind on the fly on the air is fact.
Yeah, we make comments on blogs, make predictions, etc. and get opinionated, but we’re not on national television with 500,000 to 1 million viewers, and we’re not being paid to deliver news on the comments and to distinguish the comments which are for better or worse some degree of analysis at times from facts and news.
And their is probably a better effort from people who make comments to context a fact when they think they have one and support it with a link, than there has been on MSNBC lately among all of them.
O’Reilly vs. Olbermann
Just what does Tweety’s hatred of Hillary trace to? Some say that he didn’t get to be WH press secretary. Some say his Philly roots rebel against a Chicago-born pol. Some say because he’s a jerk with a microphone.
Hell, he wrote a book advocating “campaigning” as a philosophy of life.
DaKine@08; if you think that forcing Matthews to pull in his horns will mean that she won’t face MUCH worse in the general, then you haven’t been paying attention.
“What I do see is a lot of other people calling bullshit on his sexist, immature rantings…”
Good.
Now. 9 more of our troops have died in the past two days, and the meter in Iraq is whirling along at $3 billion dollars a week…and counting.
Iraq is not going away.
Given their track records, which of the three top candidates do you think is the most outraged at what has gone on, and what IS going on there, and which of them will be able to do the best job of hammering the assholes who dragged us into this misery, for doing it?
Yes they did! Don’t you remember Terry Schaivo?
OH, yeah! The Rachel Maddow Show would be on my DVR schedule every single day.
The publishers of the DSM-IV need to reserve
an entire chapter for Tweety in the next edition.
And Jon Stewart ripped him one beauty on that one. It was masterful! Tweety didn’t know what hit him.
Gingrich and Delay put out a contract on “moderate” Republicans and got rid of them all. There aren’t any left. The press only calls Snow and Collins (and whomever) “Moderate” because on some issues, they’re not as bat-sh*t crazy as the other Republicans. The Nixonian “moderates” are now called Democrats. Maybe DINOs, or Blue Dogs, but Democrats nevertheless. Except for Lieberman. Maybe he’s trying to re-create the “moderate” wing of the Republican party.
Bob in HI
Yikes. I’ve seen you in action.
I wanted to include LHP’s whole quote correctly because I think that is the main problem:
LHP@129
Chris Matthews is a twit of the highest order.
Rachel Maddow ROCKS and should have had her own show some time ago.
I agree with RevDeb and others, if my husband spoke about women like CM does regularly he would be in the doghouse all. the. time.
Pretty sure Limbaugh started promoting him when he started inviting anybody who ever emptied a garbage pail for someone involved in Whitewater onto his People are Talking show. He really doesn’t have an audience without Clinton haters, and he clearly dislikes women very much.
I’m not exactly a Senator Hillary fan but you’re killing me with the “She’s got to handle the pressure” crap. Fifteen years of surviving and excelling in spite of everything the right has thrown at her has already shown that she can handle the pressure.
The problem with your remark wasn’t that there’s crap, it was the “can’t handle” part. It seems like you’re taking statements that this kind of crap should be smacked down hard as evidence that she “can’t handle it.”
If we succeed in putting a stop to this kind of thing in the media (or at least putting the brakes on it), we’ll have an environment that’s better for dealing with the inevitable GOP slime, not worse.
Ah the sweet smell of identity politics. In 2013 I’m sure we’ll look back fondly on this episode as President Clinton asserts that ‘…another six months and the political situation will stabilize in Iraq and the Iranian theater is also showing signs of improvement. I now turn this press conference over to Sec of the Treasury Rahm Emmanuel who will review our progress in fastracking CAFTA II our ‘free trade’ agreement with Chine, Rahm…’
Yep, all anybody is talking about today is Tweety, Tears and ‘how could the pollsters fuck up like that..’ The total blackout on JRE’s campaign continues. SEIU and The Culinary Workers boards vote to support Senator ‘I don’t need no stinkin’ Labor’ Obama…..
But, heavens Tweety and his perceived sexism are the story. This is serious stuff folks when a guy who probably needs help wiping his ass, see his appearance on the Daily Show, is the #1 topic in the ’sphere. And I must say when I interviewed some voters their response was not encouraging. Here they are when asked about why they supported the candidate they did, ‘Baaaaaaaaaaaa…….Baaaa…….Baaaaaaaaaaa! Ba. Baaa. Baaaaaaaaaaa!’
Yup, Obama is a populist, Clinton is a reformer, and what’s all this talk about John Edwards running for the Democratic nomination?
First off, my preferred candidate is already out of the race.
I think all three of the top Dems have weaknesses and have tried to finesse the issue on Iraq. Edwards has admitted he made a mistake in his vote and looks to be most willing to get as many troops out but was unwilling to commit to being out of Iraq by 2012. Clinton has stood by her vote so I have to give her credit for standing up for what she believes. Obama has ridden his vows that he opposed the invasion but few of his actual actions have reflected that.
Edwards has said, as did Obama and Clinton that nothing is off the table when dealing with Iran.
The bottomline is, none of them are perfect on the issue of Iraq and about all we can do is continue to fight them on the issues, across the board, even after they are in the oval office.
As many others have stated, we need more and better Democrats in ALL offices.
As someone said, it is about ego. The “news” people now consider themselves stars and believe that they know best because they see these people they interview. I can’t even imagine Cronkite behaving in such a manner. The pundits have become the story - never mind what else is going on.
“You bad ol’ Democwat…”
;>)
Tweety hates Hillary and gets a nice little tent in his pants when he thinks of Rudy.
I don’t really think much of his political savvy. I think Scarborough and Buchanan are much more insightful- and Brockow blew em all away last night- makin em look like the make up class for political science dropouts.
Fortunately- the whole bunch of em don’t get enough viewership to matter much.
Prime time cable news ratings for Monday Jan 7, courtesy of TVNewser.
(I *think* Monday had everyone’s regular schedule — not like last night where everything got bumped and scrambled into one long, breaking news show.)
Given the numbers, one would think that Keith Olbermann rather than Tweety would be MSNBCs big news name. Oh, well.
Let’s face it, I don’t get it. I couldn’t live with someone like this, even if it was an “act”. If she’s buying that one, she’s not as smart as her resume says she is.
IMHO, YMMV,
-S
Prairie Sunshine, if you want to see republican conger eels discovering ethics, then help us send Clinton back to the Hill. Without her to count on in the general election, there will be “Abraham Lincoln’s” coming out of the Senate panelling, and the day Clinton folds her presidential tent, they will start the process of becoming so bi-partisan it’ll be embarassing to watch. :o)
She will be worth a huge push to them if she gets the nomination, and they know it perfectly well.
Conversely, if we choose Edwards or Obama, the next morning, the Goldwater Swat Team will be in some abandoned D.C. tenement, practicing going room-to-room in the white house, and it won’t take long for the drill to give way to the real operation. :o)
Absolutely, dosido. Let’s just say that, while I love Mr. Strategerie, that would NEVER happen at our house.
-S
Stupid question time-who is Matthew’s wife? I freely admit I avoid him like the plague, so his marital situation has escaped my notice. Then there’s teh ick factor…married to Tweety, ugh!
Meanwhile, Tweety’s paramour, following
the expert economic advice of Stanford’s finest,
unveils the largest tax cut in history.
Because 9/11 changed everything.
Including the rules of arithmetic.
What makes anyone think she “can’t handle the pressure?” Because her voice broke?
As Think Progress noted yesterday, nobody ever says a man who tears up “can’t handle the pressure.” Nobody even suggests it. It shows their “sensitive” side. That they can be human.
To bring that up in the context only of a woman candidate — “toughen up, babe, it’s only gonna get harder from here” — when she’s never done anything to suggest she can’t “handle the pressure” is pretty misogynistic, yeah.
we’re on the same page here. I’d NEVER put up with that kind of attitude or behavior whether it was an act or not. It would be embarrassing publicly and impossible to tolerate privately.
Tweety’s wife is a former local tv news anchor and is now a lobbyist for Marriott. People who know them say they have a mother son relationship
Chris Matthews’ wife is Kathleen Matthews, a former TV journalist before accepting a VP position with Marriott.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Matthews
In other words, I can’t imagine how he explains his comments when he gets home.
-S
Ewwww! I guess that’s why he’s always looking for a GOP father figure, to complete the set…
Yep, there’s that ick factor I was talking about :)
When you find the current Rs on Capital Hill who have the integrity of Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott and are willing to show that level of leadership in any way other than as a Concern Troll action, you should inform Diogenes that the honest person has been found.
Otherwise, you’re inventing a fantasy world that has not existed in this country in over thirty years.
Misogyny, thy name is Matthews… or is it MSNBC?
(with apologies to William Shakespeare)
What you’re forgetting is that the news business has changed. It’s not about news anymore. It’s a business, so what matters is the bottom line, and what moves the bottom line is not the niceties of journalism, but ratings. Keith Olberman’s Countdown is not immune; Yes, it has news segments, but the last half of the show is larded with entertainment pieces. My nephew the school teacher confesses that he gets most of his news from the Colbert Report. Mary Tyler Moore showed us what was coming thirty years ago. Her show is called a “comedy,” perhaps following Shakespearean tradition (nobody gets killed), but it really is a tragedy.
Maybe the only thing that would change this direction is for Congress to pass a law mandating every radio and TV station to provide two hours of real news coverage every day, during prime time in morning and evening. After all, they can mandate Public Service Announcements, so why not news?
Are there Emmys or Oscars or something for best news show? If not, why not? If yes, who won the last one?
Bob in HI
I guess you all missed it when she interviewed him for his new book (a poorly written knockoff of the Prince’s work)
he was acting like a 12 year old and she was his loving patient mommy.
LOL.
A few threads down, I suggested (not knowing this) that the reason that men like Dick Morris and Tweety had such hatred for Hillary (as well as being sexist asses) was that they had unresolved “Dark Mother” issues which they project onto Hillary. They like their women vapid like Laura, who is married to Dubya who has the darkest Dark Mother of them all.
Matthews is a misogynist - the medical dictionary defines misogyny as adversion or hatred of women. The evidence is clear, IMO.
On MSNBC a little while ago, Tweety seemed to be straining to find an explanation for Clinton’s victory (and Obama’s second place showing) that did not involve giving Clinton credit for being qualified or for running a good campaign.
there’s some weirdness going on—blogger seems to be down as is g-mail as are my comcast e-mail accounts. Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm. Hacktacular.
If I understand the ratings Matthews has about 5-6 full Rose Bowls cheering him on and that is it. That is insignificant.
Is Matthews the last word on who is on Hardball? I doubt he was happy with Rachel last night (or Brokaw for that matter, lol) & hope he doesn’t keep her off Hardball. I love how she holds her own with Buchanan & Matthews even tho they are so practiced at talking over everyone else. She definitely needs her own show.
“Stupid question time-who is Matthew’s wife? I freely admit I avoid him like the plague, so his marital situation has escaped my notice. Then there’s teh ick factor…married to Tweety, ugh!”
Not only is he married, but a few weeks ago– I guess they had run out of material, or no one was returning their calls– he put his wife in his chair to interview him!!! The mind boggles that his producer would allow this, but there we are.
Bob in HI
I believe that was for his tenth anniversary “Hardball” show which was mainly Tweety trying not to break his arm patting himself on the back about how wonderful he was.
I have been thinking about this. There is no way I would’ve voted for Hillary if I had lived in New Hampshire. But after reading and hearing some of what I am today, I might be sorry I didn’t. That is a hard one for me because I am so angry at her capitulation during the run-up to the iraq war. The fear and viceral hatred of women, not only from the Rethugs, but the chattering class reminds me that nothing will change until more women have real power. Which makes me wonder if it wouldn’t be more radical to elect a woman than an African American man. Its a hard one.
And what Shirley Chisholm and Gloria Steinam said.
More filth from Tweety’s mind,
courtesy of Media Matters.
His crap about Hillary Clinton, actually both the Clinton’s, is often so irrational, contrived, and obsessive that I really think it’s got to be a case study in some kind of psycological syndrome. Last night, at one point, I thought he needed a net thrown over him, when he was talking about staying up all night to figure out what kind of skulduggery the Clintons were pulling. Humphrey Bogart and his ball bearings almost appeared.
Anyway, I thought the following, from the prevously noted source was typical, and probably revealing:
“I think a lot of people pick a president they figure would sort of like them if they knew them. And if you are overweight or have a problem with your diet — and I certainly did for years — you may figure Hillary doesn’t like people like me. She’s looking down on me. What do you think? Howie, she’s looking down on me, that woman. She thinks she’s better than me.” (October 19)
But Lisa, the pressure she’ll get if she’s nominated this time will be nothing like dealing with Bill’s stupidity and his inability to keep his fly zipped. Nor will it be like waltzing to a relatively safe Senate seat in New York.
One mistake that a lot of her supporters are making, and a lot of other democrats, too, is that they think this election is just going to be marginally more intense than anything we’ve had in the past half-century or so.
It is not. It’s going to be nightmarish in it’s implications for the future. One of the two parties is going to come out of it mortally wounded. No shake-hands-and-make-up. Those 9 of our troops who died in Iraq in the past two days are tragic reminders of the fact that there is not going to be a Kumbayah ending there. The only way to hold what used to be Iraq together, is at the point of a gun. And partitioning it is going to be bloody and chaotic to an extent that we haven’t yet seen.
Will the democrats keep relatively quiet and let bush and the neo-cons drape the flaming turd-lei around their necks while they slip out of town to whet the “who lost Iraq?” machetes? Doesn’t the question, in it’s pointing to the dishonesty of the people who did this to us, outrage you?
(Hillary Clinton has very little outrage, that I’ve seen. She has a lot of stress…already.)
But I digress. The carnivorous petro-dactls (pun intended) haven’t even begun to come home to roost yet. When they do someone is going to have to take a shitload of blame. The democrats are going to have to decide who they want that to be, and then they need to set about the job of pointing out the culprits. Anything less than that, and it won’t matter WHO knocked up Rosemary and sired the little monster; the democrats will be stuck paying the child support.
No. It’s getting on toward bandaid-on-the-hairy-leg time, if we can find a candidate who’s got the spittle for it. And that is not Hillary Clinton. She’s used her mojo in cuddling up to the warpimps, and her kind of sellout is like being a “little bit pregnant”. There aint no such thing.
But we’re in for it, in this one, and we better pick someone who can go after the assholes tooth and nail. If the Clinton supporters think that’s Hillary, I think they’re in for a terrible shock, if they’re able to
secure the nomination for her.
If we pick either Edwards or Obama, shitheads like Matthews can rant their gastrointestinal tract out of their ears, and it won’t matter a fig. They and the republican candidates will essentially be irrelevant.
Couch Time!
Although nobody may have ever been quoted as saying that man who tears up can’t handle the pressure, The 1972 Edmund Muskie media incident certainly shows that some must think it. Certainly, some suggest it.
The Muskie story been mentioned in The Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal, and Slate.com in the last two days, so I don’t think Think Progress thought that through thoroughly.
And you passed it along without bothering to check.
where are my pearls?
If you’re looking for the perfect candidate then I’ve got to tell you, there is not such thing. Each and everyone of the candidates are great yet have problems. That’s why the Presidency is only one part of the equation. The Legislature and the Courts are the other two parts that we will obviously have to keep work on. And in politics, as in life, you never really win. It’s a constant battle where you get ahead for some time then fall behind again.
Well, the Muskie story was over thirty-five years ago and even the attitudes of men have been allowed to change a bit since then. Muskie was responding to cheap shots taken by Bill Loeb towards his (Muskie’s) wife.
But since Little Boots and Willard (I pulled my car over and cried when the church said African Americans could become bishops) and of course John Boehnoer and all can now cry, it is acceptable behavior for a man. /s
Sometimes I start to lean towards Hillary. Then a person smarter and wiser than I am sets me straight.
Jane, like ThinkProgress, wasn’t arguing that no man in history has ever been accused of not handling pressure because he teared up. Everyone who follows politics knows about the Muskie story (even with the recent revelation that David Broder kind of manufactured it.) But it was 36 years ago. The ThinkProgress examples were all recent, and the double standard isn’t disproved by pointing out one counterexample from a generation ago.
This country is going to get ripped to shreds.
I think that is one of the reasons why the kumbaya line that Obama took was so enticing.
It looks like we’ll be going all Hobbes all the time.
Maybe the GOP can promote the healing by bringing in Gingrich in a brokered convention.
-G
Kathleen R. Matthews, who anchored News 7 on WJLA-TV, the ABC affiliate in Washington, D.C before accepting a position as an Executive Vice President with J.W. Marriott.
Not to mention Poppy’s lost legacy blubberfest.
-G
A defender of Hillary Clinton, who so diligently refuses to talk about the specifics of her track record, is telling me that I’m inventing a fantasy world?
If we send Clinton packing it won’t really be a matter of ethics. For the republicans, it will be simply self-preservation; a matter of finding something to cling when their last lifeboat has gone down. :o)
As for your little “30 year” comment, I’d just point out that last year 9 GOP congressmen hiked over to the white house, barged into the oval office, climbed up on junior’s desk, dropped trou, and took a nice, steaming, collective, shit. :o)
Maybe you missed it, but it was the first mustering of Barry’s swat team. They went unarmed, except for words to tell bush that he needed to stop talking in meaningless platitudes and give them SOMETHING to take to the voters, before the midterms.
It didn’t happen, of course.
But the next visit, poliically speaking, will be with cattle prods and assault rifles, and if we send Hil on her way, it much increases the chances that it will go down. Again, if we’re dumb enough to send them the Clinton lifeboat, as usual, they will climb in, throw us one bloody clusterfuck, give us the finger, and then row off to their corporate boardrooms, secure in the knowledge that they have a better than fair chance of hanging on to the white house and retaking the Senate and House.
Just take a good hard look at her record, and her electability,