Login HereMika Brzezinski: Do you think...that there was a turn at the last minute for some voters, given the really sharp twist in the media in terms of how they went negative...
Chris Matthews: It's not in the polling. I'm just saying, it's not in the polling data.
Brzezinski: I know, that's my point. Because people went to the polls throughout the day, and maybe changed their minds, and maybe were turned off by by what they saw. By these nasty headlines.
Matthews: Well, I don't know if they all read the NYPost.
Brzezinski: In taking after her for crying.
Matthews: I think the Hillary appeal has always been about the mix of toughness and sympathy. Let's not forget, and I'll be brutal, the reason she's a US Senator, the reason she's a candidate for President, the reason she may be a front runner, is that her husband messed around.
Brzezinski: Yeah, but...
Matthews: That's how she got to be a Senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win it on her merit, she won because everybody felt, "My God, this woman stood up under humiliation," right? That's what happened. That's how it happened. In 1998, she went to NY and campaigned for Chuck Schumer as almost like the grieving widow of absurdity, and she did it so well and courageously. But it was about the humilation of Bill Clinton.
Brzezinski: Um...NO, okay? Well, you could take it a step back, and say that SHE put Bill Clinton where he is and then he messed around and she was humiliated and people felt sorry for her. And she does have more to her than being a victim. She does have more to her. [Mika smacks him on the arm.]
Matthews: Ow. I agree. You hit me? Hit him. [pointing to Scarborough, who cannot get to the commercial break fast enough...] (emphasis mine)
What is wrong with Chris Matthews? With all of these media people? I mean that, in all honesty, what in the hell is wrong with them? Their personal loathing of Hillary Clinton shone through in every sniggering, overwrought report this week. Their building up of Barack Obama is only their prelude and set-up for the frenzied clawing and shredding of him that is to come. And they have well and truly written off coverage of either John Edwards or Bill Richardson solely based on their current fundraising numbers, and never mind that, as of yesterday, there had been two -- count them, only TWO -- Democratic contests.
None of it has anything to do with substance. It's as if a pack of hyenas were crossbred with the characters in Mean Girls and then sent out to play at journalism.
Maureen Dowd's column this morning reads like J.J. Hunsecker in drag, although it's not exactly a shock given that its Dowd we are talking about, is it? Rachel Maddow let Matthews have it last night (C&L has the clip.) as a proxy stand-in for all the media idiocy. And Pam Spaulding nails it, calling it "'The Tweety Effect,' where the misogyny of a talking head in the MSM so enrages a demographic that they go out and vote in a manner that will put egg on the face of the talking head."
In Bob Herbert's column yesterday, he made the point that the American electorate is pissed, paying attention and hungering for authenticity:
If there is a theme running through the nominating process of both parties, it’s the idea that voters are fed up with the con, with the phony, plastic, programmed politicians who are obsessed with power and contemptuous of the real concerns of ordinary men and women....
Something is stirring all right. Voters are paying attention. Young people are coming into the process. The electorate is fed up and ready to invoke the prerogatives of citizenship to hold the leadership to higher standards.
Herbert was talking about the electorate's hunger for better political candidates, but this just as easily could have been written about the fatuous media and their self-constructed ratings ravings. You know what one reason for such large crowds at political events this year could be? Because folks in Iowa and New Hampshire knew better than to trust the media to report the events accurately -- that they wanted to see things live for themselves instead of having to wade through all the personal bias and spin from the talking heads.
America is sick of bullshit this year. From politicans. And especially from pundits.
(The DiVinyls sum up Dowd's column perfectly today...so this one goes out to you, Queen Bee Maureen.)
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Hi Christy!
Those media boys can just go shove it. They are a danger to democracy — and they claim to be democracy.
Morning everyone. Need more coffee…
Tweety seems to have gone off the rails… Yes, he’s obsessed with Hillary. Maybe he’s a misogynist. But he’s also obsessed with Cheney.
I think it was a pup here at fdl that came up with the term Tweety Effect yesterday evening. I don’t have time to look it up, and it may have already been borrowed by that commenter, but it sure fits.
Gawd–after reading this, I remember why I am so glad that I don’t watch cable TV.
I live in NY–and I can tell you that Hillary did not win because of Bill. If one is to give credit to a man for Hillary’s becoming a NY Senator is is worth remembering that she was running (originally) against a pre-9/11 Rudy and well, at that time his personal and political life was an absolute trainwreck.
More to the point, she was a great candidate in 2000, and she seems to have returned to her NY State campaign style in NH.
Race and gender, those categories of difference, are certainly exposing a bit of ugliness (to put it mildly) in this electoral cycle…
I am having real difficulty following how Bill’s messing around leads to a political advantage for his wife.
Can anyone fill me in on how that works?
Precedent?
Didn’t think so.
Mathews is unhinged - totally bonkers.
What is wrong with Chris Matthews?
I’m sorry, but in the interest of bandwidth space, I’m gonna pass on that one…
‘morning, Redd - Tweety hasn’t given it up yet this morning… no matter that the polls are being evaluated and women turned out en masse, he is still insisting it is the Bradley effect… and no, it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with him - “NH voters are racists and liars…”
Tweety this a.m.: “The only reason Hillary is a senator is because Bill messed around on her.”
I don’t think he’s helping his case here at all…
off to work.
From Fox News:
“She pretended to cry, the women felt sorry for her and they went for her,” said Dick Morris, a former Bill Clinton adviser and current FOX News contributor
As much as I love free speech, I find myself thinking this country could use a better libel law.
No cable in the Mack household.
Just never can justify paying for TV.
I miss baseball.
The rest I can keep up with well enough online.
I couldn’t believe there is actually a piece on the Edwards campaign in the NYT this morning, and
links on screen to videos of his remarks. Is it possible that he is going to get the attention he deserves?
I fervently hope so.
the CORPORATE media IS TELLING US who we may vote for….that is all…you have VERY little choice in this matter..in 2000 and 2004 you had NO CHOICE
It is interesting how often women, both in personal and public life, are accused of faking tears (I will bet every woman who has ever cried in front of another person has been accuse of this–it begins when we are little girls, and I can’t remember hearing that little boys are thought to manipulate with tears…even though they cry just as much). Yet, when a man cries crocodile tears, it is oh so authentically manly.
Hillary was a terrific Senate candidate in 2000 — was really surprised by what an effective campaigner she was, particularly in upstate (another world).
Woodhall Hollow is right — in terms of remembering she was running against the “real Rudy”. Have always thought he left that race because he thought he’d lose…not because of the cancer.
I never knew before that Hillary won her Senate seat because of Monica! Wow, the stuff our pundits know, but then that’s why they make the big bucks.
So did Matthews get his job because NBC felt sorry for him when Tip O’Neill died?
I thought exactly the same time, because he was well on his way to a huge trouncing. Hillary was awesome in upstate NY, which was not initially receptive territory.
I’ve been saying this time and time again. Russert, Tweetie et al., actually sound prurient when they speak of Hillary Clinton. It’s disgusting. I doubt they would show the same disrespect for Laura Bush or any other rethug “ladies.”
Big Question. I haven’t seen Edward’s speech last night. But I heard it was good. How on earth can we get him more media coverage? The lack of media really does hurt. It hurt Dodd and some people I talk to don’t even know Edwards came in secnd in Iowa, as if it’s all Hillary v. Obama.
It sounds to me like Mika understands the limits of polling data, and Tweety has no clue about polling, other than it tells him what to believe.
Gary Langer, the head of ABC’s polling operation — one of the most respected outfits according to other professional pollsters — has a great column up about what might or might not have happened that caused the differences between the pre-election polls, the exit polls, and the actual results.
No tinfoil from him — just a lot of questions regarding pollsters, their methodologies, and the limits to which polls can answer your questions. Says Langer:
Oh, but that kind of nuance is a bit much for Tweety to handle. You know, math and all. He’d much rather blather, blissfully unaware of the real world.
when he got Malaria a couple of years ago;IT DID NOT change him at all…most peeps change and grow from a near death experience…i think his swollen brain ate up any smarts he had
Dick morris: another creep I from where I am ashamed to call home sometimes.
Way OfT - one does not want to blow off jury duty in Indiana - you GO TO JAIL!!
this is ridiculous and unconstitutional, but hey - it’s Indiana, where details like that tend to be terribly trivial.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/p...../301090009
Of course they loathe her. She’s Bill Clinton’s wife, and when she was first lady, she was outspoken on a few good points, and she tried to do something about health care.
And Matthews is right about this; she got a TON of sympathy votes in her N.Y. Senate race, to put her in congress.
I was elated.
Then came the decision to run for president. And the power-lust got crossed with the stupid gene, and she and her staff (which includes bubba, hisself) were brickdumb enough and corrupt enough to think that she could triangulate her way into catching votes from people who, well, LOATHE her.
Now? She’s nothing but republican lite. If she was on fire in my front yard I wouldn’t walk out there and pee on her. She’s truckled to bushCo and the corporate power that he rode into office like a dyed in the wool gooper.
Most real progressives have zero use for her, which is why she gets her ass kicked in the polls taken on progressive blogs.
Her support now is mostly from women who want to see a woman nominated so badly that they don’t care a tinker’s damn that it will probably cost us this election, which is so very important.
It’s shameful that her defenders ignore her track record and continue to support her, simply because republicans and conservatives across the board hate her. Tnat is NO reason to hand her the nomination like it was damn bandaid for the hiding she regularly takes from the right and a lot of the center in america.
Last night, the republicans dodged a huge bullet, when we missed a chance to give a body blow to her candidacy. I only hope that it’s the last time we do it.
I didn’t know that. Interesting.
Tweety is the worse, he just cannot comprehend the polls not giving him the answer he wanted. He a little later on in the show blamed racism for Obama losing, dragging up the old Virgina campaigns of Doug Wilder. My comtempt for him grows everytime I listen. I might to change channels or just listen to rock’n'roll music.
When Sen. Clinton called him on it he repeated that he wasn’t ‘obsessed’ over and over again. Like a character in a movie who is obsessed and is melting down at having been caught.
-G
I’m in central NY. Mostly ignored. But Hillary is here a lot. She even bought a home in the area. No idea if she’s ever been there but she visits this area quite often. 10 times more than Schumer. Say what you will, but she has a strong work ethic.
This is great the more Tweety and Modo beat up on Hilary the more they help her win. The only bad thing is that Hilary might keep Penn around that guy’s advice could still lose it for her.
The Center Democrat position will not work when the voters are still to the Left of her.
Voter ignorance of her position on the issues should fade as Americans start to pay attention to the Primaries.
She needs to back up Chris Dodd in the Senate and start taking some real stands to end the war now.
Actions not empty words.
I’m sure that most posters at this blog are familiar with the Daily Howler, but in terms of “what is wrong with chris matthews,” Bob Somerby has deeply analyzed matthews, russert, dowd, rich, and most of the liberal or progressive media. Said analysis does include the “War on Gore,” but extends well into the present. If you (generic) haven’t read it, you should.
Let’s not forget Tweety was the one who described Bush as “Lincolnesque” in his handling of the Iraq war.
he sold his soul like Faust,when he signed on the dotted line,that old MOFO Jack Welch gave him…..there is a leigon of FAUST impersonators in this country,the fallen angel is smiling
The funny thing is that talking heads who put someone down- publicly humiliate them - are doing the very same thing psychologically as a philandering husband, whose behavior shames his wife.
Somehow they probably think a “shamed woman” should hide in a corner. I think some people switched to her out of sympathy and many switched out of anger. But I’m thinking it was an emotional thing, maybe even unconscious, for those who were undecided and voted for her.
That doesn’t mean she can ever count on those same factors again.
And likely it was a confluence of factors. If she stays real and makes the voters the center of her focus, maybe that will stick.
And I have no doubt that people publicly dumping on a sympathetic person (and she appeared so on Monday) provokes a backlash. It’s as if the contest was against the press, rather than against Obama. And she won it! The voters shamed the nasty pundits!
Real men don’t do “nuance.” George W Bush told me so.
What struck me about Rachel Maddow’s comments last night was how quickly Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman ran away from them. I’d expect that from Matthews, but would like to think that Olberman is a little more capable of seeing the big picture. It will be interesting to catch his show tonight and see if the topic is brought up.
Bob Kerry was on Imus this morning and he was heaping praise on her for her effectiveness in NY.
Another one of Faux’s reptile squad. A perverted malcontent who oozes bile and makes money hand over fist shivving people who he was paid to be friendly with.
-G
Ilove the way Pat Buchanan predicted that Hillary would lose big in the South, “blacks et al will flock to Barack Obama.” Umm, he doesn’t seem to be in touch with the fact –that according to BlackAgendareport.com & what seems kinda obvious– the Clintons have an organization of long time supporters there. Obama hasn’t done much wooing there with his denial of racial issues and lack of substance in general.
What stuck me was the ridicule of McCain’s by everyone on MSNBC. They were really yukkin it up.
Great post, Christy. Your transcript of Matthews attempting to one-up Brzezinski is a boilerplate for everything wrong w/Tweety-style punditry.
Time to take Chris Matthews’ bully pulpit away, the one he decided a while back to pick up @ beat us over the head with. ‘Way past time that he be minimized, or off the air. Even his attempts @ snark are lousy & all self-referential…
I saw the beginning of John Edwards’ speech last night and watched most of it. I never once heard him reference Iraq or the troops or say anything about the ME.
it makes sense,everything you say
CHS -
None of it has anything to do with substance. It’s as if a pack of hyenas were crossbred with the characters in Mean Girls and then sent out to play at journalism.
Hope someone does a photoshop of tweety’s body and hyena head…..I’d pay money for that one. *g*
Have to agree with you both. I was officially living outside Hartford but working in Manhattan and living in Battery Park City during the week for most of Y2K. The cancer made a real nice excuse for Rudy to duck out of an a** whuppin’.
This is great if they start studying the polls which I think were accurate at the time the only new variable that happened to throw the election Hilary’s way was the Tweety effect.
The American people have had enough of the Media’s catty attacks on Hilary. Voters are paying attention and want a fair media to report and not decide for them the issues.
i hope KO is not sipping koolaid,he was strange last nite
Actually a lot of posting and comments are now considered by a lot of people on the Internet. Of course Mainstream Media ego giants like Chris Mathews, and Joe Scarborough who dump on Hillary with the same proportion and poison Hannity openly admits to. That he, Hannity, will use every resource at his disposal to prevent Hillary from being elected, and is something they all want to avoid you from thinking. Chris is exactly that old Roman, Marcus Brutus— Caesar’s most famous assassin. One can picture that sweet video were Chris pinches Hillary on the cheek, but very well would stab her in back. Chris the Slick Der Word Meister always with that quality blend of deceit smoothed into food for your mind without the average person knowing it. Here, Chris Mathews is a master craftsman of his group who can slip his intellectual IED timed for his advantage, but is discovered a tools of the elite rich, were, Americans now understand we have been had. From poles to imaged trolls, mainstream Media are loaded with corruption and deceit.
Mainstream Media across the board accused Hillary of attacking Obama negatively just becuase she asked Obama questions. This whole thing brings to the forefront some very powerful ideals were the Mainstream Media has been complicit with the Bush and Company for the past seven years. Specifically why has not Mainstream Media ever questioned Bush about his friendship with the Bin Laden family? Were America has been chasing this bandit, Osama Bin Laden for seven years. How come American can not get those one on one interviews with the Arabs about issues like that. The price of oil would go through the roof. So, here we are, Obama, an Islamic name running around telling everyone he is a Christian, to me not very solidly committed, or baptized as one to take a christen name. Or Geez wiz, get your grandma to sell the farm and get her out the crazy country you stupido.
All you hear is we can change, lets change the world, we have power to move in a new direction, well move grandma so America doesn’t have to use troops, there are no limits to what we could do. On and on and on with all this hype, no one asked “How”? if you do ask why, or how do you intend to do this stuff your negatively attacking Obama. The news Media Across the spectrum relentlessly pounding this mantra of negative bias if one simply calls Barrack Hussein Obama by his full name your on a political negative attack campaign. Why? because it might open up debate about Islamic extremist. America is going to embarrass the Arabs who are our oil trading partners and Bush’s business friends? Well, yes. So, were is the patriotism, probably in Swiss bank accounts.
The more our ‘elite’ pundits are pwned like that the more people will ignore them or look to someone new. I watched way too much MSNBC last night… the coverage was unreal. All of these national media types pontificating on retail politics without interviewing anyone local — other than the candidates’ spinmeisters. Fact free.
Thinking about the puerile likes of Dick Morris and Tweety, I’m wondering about the “mommy” factor. Hillary was arguably the one best “mothers” in the White House ever (Chelsea has been, and is a class act). She came across as a conscientious, involved and authoritative mother–something the little boys of the world with their unresolved “Dark Mother” issues, are likely to find very threatening. It all gets projected onto any woman with real power — whether that power is expressed intellectually or emotionally. Just a thought.
By the way, does anyone have a link to that Edwards speech? Want to see it! Couldn’t stomach the pundits last night. Pat Buchanen, Tweety and worst of all Russert, I just had enough.
Toward the end he talked about bringing our troops home — not much else, though.
oh let us not forget the “little brown wren” Ms.Greenspin,given an Indian tomahawk to slice and dice Hill
Poor Hillary. Big Bad Chris is so mean to her. It’s not fair.
I see Crooks and Liars has McCains victory speech up. *gag*
My favorite speech moment last night was Obama’s “Something is happening in America!”
he is just a butthead,and im sick of his lies
he is PATHETIC,sorry he is embarrasing
Have thought there is a weird dynamic going on at MSNBC for awhile now. When Keith is on with the likes of Tweety or Russert, he becomes more like one of “the guys” a la ESPN…e.g. the “Gameday” crew.
That didn’t work for him back then (over the long term) as I remember. He may feel as if his “pulpit” a 8 PM will be threatened is he doesn’t “go along” more. I disagree but then again, NBC has been fully corporatized by GE.
Tweety’s malaria was actually last year…
My recall is just a tad hazy on this, but Matthews was taken apart piece by piece by Jon Stewart a few months ago for avocating LYING in his book. And Matthews didn’t disclaim it.
Where’s your Bear country? Here’s two recent takes on Alaska bear country.
Why is everyone so eager to make Hillary’s impressive victory about Tweety? First of all it’s irrational, and secondly, it implies Hillary’s win was simply an act of voter revenge, and not deserved for any other reason.
Doesn’t Tweety also have real issues controlling his diabetes?
I watched a bit of Buchanon vs Maddow. She was magnificent. A phrase Edwards used was quoted (can’t remember the wording). PB said that was a slogan used by illegal immigrants. Maddow said, ‘wrong. It’s a phrase used by labor unions’. PB asked what the dems were going to do now since they’re in such disarray. RB said it was the repubs who had problems since they don’t like any of their candidates. It was beautiful.
More on NH. With alot of the late deciding voters giving Hillary the edge, it occurs to me that another element of this was the HUGE lead given to Obama by notoriously right wing pollster Zogby and others. With many of the undecideds deciding late, a number who may have said they wanted Obama and who gave him a “bump” pre-election, may have decided that Obama was “in the bag” and so they decided instead to try to get a more moderate Republican in as well (McCain) rather than Huckabee or Romney. It would be very interesting to know how many of those who polled earlier with the Obama camp, in the end decided to vote Republican to make a difference there.
And it gets worse, Christy. I found myself agreeing with Laura Ingraham–Laura Ingraham fergawdssake–on Imus this morning talking about the media as a pack of lemmings….
I’ve borrowed Mr. S’s contention that they are the cocktail wienies. But whatever metaphor we come up with–and jackals is a good one!–the one clear, incontrovertible emerging fact is: they are a bunch of jerks.
And their bare backsides are exposed these days, thanks to the blogs. I think they could all–including Russert–use a strong dose of Punkinhead-style “let’s go to the tape” truth and accountability sessions.
The louder they cling to their status quo, the more the people are going to reject them en masse, just like they’re rejecting BushCo. [back to catch up on comments now….]
oh he’s got control issues, all right.
I heard that too. Rachel Maddow and Katrina van den Heuvel were great. Much better than the stuff I was yelling at the TV…
Not to make anyone gag, but remember this video of Laura Bush? I rest my case about disrespect for Hillary v. rethuglican woman.
If you watched the late wrap up of MSNBC it showed a clip, of the widely reported, Hillary patting Chris on the cheek. But what the clip showed is that as Hillary approached Chris he reached out and pinched her cheek.
How dare he touch another mans wife in that way. He is not a close family friend, only a reported that covers her. She is a US Senator and a leading Presidential candidate.
He just had to find a way to put her in her place.
The only saving grace from the clip was Keith O spoke up and said “You touched her first, that is not the way the incident was reported”
I hope Keith will make Chris his Worse Person in the World today.
oops, hyenas…gotta slow down and read clearer before the adrenaline rant rises. Boyoboy did you hit my hotbutton this a.m. Christy.
I don’t understand how 2 different outcomes in 2 different states with very different populations translates into “disarray.” If that’s the case, aren’t the Reps in more “disarray?” After all, they’ve had 3 different outcomes in 3 different states.
I know, preaching to the choir.
I think it would be helpful for some enterprising video artist to make a mash-up of Matthews greatest misogyny moments.
“Come closer to the camera….”
The polling info is very interesting and worthy of study. I’m wondering if when you say the tinfoil hat conspiracists if you’re referring to people who question the voting machines themselves? I just watched this video about the New Hampshire machines, and the person John Silvestro who counts all the votes. Included is a demonstration of how easily hacked the machines are. Why must one be called a tinfoil hat conspiracist when this is brought up? The New York Times Magazine published a story on Jan 6th, ‘08 entitled Can You Count on Voting Machines. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....ref=slogin
This isn’t a conspiracy. I think Karl Rove must be very proud of his work on this one. Even on our side, to even question this makes you the nut. Please people watch this or read the story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
Believe it or not, my bear country is northern NJ. We have them walking through our yard quite often, and our back yard in the woods nearly every day from early spring to late fall. The bears are black bears, but they can grow to 400-500 lbs. Here they just want to eat and mate and be left alone.
At least one commenter at Mystery Pollster offered the same hypothesis — which seems a pretty likely explanation for some of the shift.
Interesting analysis of “Bradley Effect” claims about Obama in NH–from the NY Observer:
Tweety is biggest, ugliest manifestation of the strong anti-Clinton, misogynist bias in the traditional media. That’s why he’s a lightning rod here. He’s obviously not personally responsible; his ratings aren’t high enough for that to be the case.
Is this the Edwards speech last night?
like I said, he’s got control issues, self control being one of them
One of Smeigel’s Real Audio segments would be great!
There ain’t enough brain bleach in the world . . .
blow up this photo…and stick it EVEYWHERE
http://dragonballyee.blogs.com.....sh_500.jpg
You found it!
I didn’t think it was possible, but Keith O even pissed me off.
In my neighborhood, we’ve never seen any bears, but we’re only a mile from the nearest black bears, six from the nearest grizzlies. At our old house, we couldn’t leave the kids outside unattended.
misogyny. Have you seen the way Matthews treats strong effective professional women on his show. It’s not just Hillary. He’s a misogynist. There are lots of them out here, with an underlying “mom” complex and fear of strong women who might get control over them. And it is sexism. I think that she is facing sexism in a way that Obama is not yet having to face racism. I must say it surprises me. However, I work in a an agency that treat domestic violence and of course, the numbers are not going down. There are a lot of dead women out there at the hands of the men in their lives.
I don’t know if the numbers are the same in terms of hate crimes…but a lot of d.v is hate crimes against women.
Matthews makes me sick and after last night, I am done.
Hillary is an accomplished lawyer and did a hell of job as a senator. To state that her only value was as a wife that forgave her husband is disgusting.
bradley effect does not apply in Iowa, where there are no secret ballots.
We may be seeing newly named Hillary effect, where women lie to pollsters and their husbands, and then flip the lever for the woman in the race.
But I don’t think so. Too many female senators represent counterexamples.
Newsweek: How two campaigns rose from the dead.
good grief.
mebbee,they offered him 10 Million a year like Beck and the other twits
I keep waiting for KO to reach over and slap Matthews silly. At least Dr. Maddow will stand up to him. Maybe instead of Tucker, she will replace Matthews.
Will tweety ever be a WPIW? He certainly earned it.
If that is the case, then one could conclude that NH women voters are misogynistic and voted for a candidate solely based on gender.
ACLU petition to close Gitmo. Jan. 11 action day.
If I don’t know the candidates for some of the low level positions, I generally pull the lever for the one who has a woman’s name. But also, I think the blow back against the MSM and the clearly “trumped up” crying charge - to say nothing of the “iron my shirts” people, and the way that in the Dem debate Gibson put it out there that Obama WAS the candidate to bead (let’s not forget his role in this) made the often ornery (here independent) NH voters say “screw you” I’ll do this in part to spite you.
I know about polling. I know about statistics. There are plenty of plausible reasons — many quite likely — that can explain the discrepancy.
I am getting frustrated by the knee-jerk reaction of some folks, that every time a result comes in that does not match their hoped-for outcome or the outcome predicted by a given survey, the FIRST reaction is to cry “vote rigging!” Does election fraud happen? Yes. But problems in polling happen a lot, lot more often.
Fallible pollsters are a lot more numerous than black-box vote stealers.
There’s plenty of evidence this morning of the fallibility of pollsters, and none — not one whit — of anything to support a theory of a stolen or tampered election results.
Bill O’reilly doesn’t believe that there are people sleeping under bridges.
Would someone please say something about the voting machines? Why isn’t it an issue for anyone? If the machines have been manipulated isn’t that the first order of business before all the analysis of Tweety, and the rest of the media, Hil’s tears, the anger at the continued treatment of women, Obama’s charisma and the movement surrounding him, Edwards media blackout?
Have we all bought into “get over it”?
I think he is probably a Type I diabetic..dementia seems to be associated with Type II diabetes.
Christy–
There have been a spate of blogs by you and Jane the last couple days on inappropriate behavior of the media towards Senator Clinton.
I would hope for a complementary spate of blogs on qualities in her and the voting record that must be invisible to me, that I hope is visible to you, that makes her the best of the three viable candidates for President or if not the best, a good one.
Every year, the media is going to get more ridiculous in primary/caucus season and in general.
What would bring much of this to a screeching hault would be a series of regional elections and the people are responsible for this fiasco.
Let It Start Now; End the Stupidity of States who All Want to Be First
They reflect the education and poor taste of the bell shaped curve of their viewers. This is a channel that would be devoting two hours to Britney at Cedars-Sanai on days when there isn’t a primary or caucus. If viewers were better informed and demanded better quality, GE, Tweety’s parent company, would deliver it to them.
“The frenzied clawing and shredding of him” from whom, Christy, MSM or Hillary and company?, bring it on please. Obama can handle it.
Edwards’ campaign is well aware of the rampant schizophrenia of the media, and they will keep on doing what they have b