Jane!

Hiya again, Jane…

Man, things sure are getting weird around here. Maybe Hunter’s trying to tell us something from beyond.

Jane:

Typo, 2nd line of 2nd para: Hitchens…

hi jane.

bomb bomb bomb, DON’T bomb iran

I love it! We will win because wit and humor are on our side. All the repukes have is fear.

Oh man, that’s freakin hysterical! Do they have a blog to contribute to? Seriously.

Modern day Dick Tuck would be great. Just don’t become a Jack Mehoffer.

Jane!

“Because they attacked us, man.”

“When?”

“On 9-11, man.”

“What are you talking about? Arabs attacked us.”

“Are you sure about that?”

What a moran.

Before bombing Iran, McCain would need to draw away those independent voters in NH from Obama first:

And by registration, New Hampshire’s balance of power rested with its independent voters, more than 40 percent of the electorate, neither reliably Democrat nor Republican, with the power to settle either race, or both.

Turnout was reported to be brisk on a spring-like day.

McCain, an Arizona senator, in particular, appealed for their support in the run-up to the primary. He battled Romney, the former governor of next-door Massachusetts, and to a lesser extent Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor who won last week’s Iowa caucuses.

”It has all the earmarks of a landslide with the Dixville Notch vote,” an upbeat McCain quipped as his campaign bus headed to a polling place in Nashua. The crowd of supporters there was so big, that voters complained and a poll worker pleaded with McCain to leave. Seconds later, the bus pulled away.

HA!

Actually, maybe dude in the photo was correct and meant this guy?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=127239

“Because they attacked us, man.”

Man. How many other countries could say that about us’ns?

“We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like “I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive. . . .” And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming: “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?”

“Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”
Hunter S. Thompson

Why the fuck did you off yourself, doctor? We need you now more than ever.

puravida January 8th, 2008 at 11:20 am
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Man, things sure are getting weird around here. Maybe Hunter’s trying to tell us something from beyond.

___________

he’s gotta hate being dead right now …..

He gots purty lips!

I hate him being dead right now.

Jane, when this election’s over you’ve gotta take a year off and write your next book. it’ll be a page turner without a doubt.

Who is the closest person in character to Hunter?

little bit off topic but concerning presidential candidates and hypocracy so I guess I’m on point, anyway;

“Soy Rudy Giuliani y apruebo este mensaje

yup, rudy, “if you want to be a citizen you have to speak english and write english” does a spanish speaking add to get floridians to vote for him

does he not know what kind of joke he is?

McCain gets tons of “free” medial here in AZ….. any little twitch and it is BREAKING NEWS

Hitchen’s is too deep in the alcohol…. after that pic of him over at Huffpo a few days ago….. bblahhhhh

to extend the Hunter thing, I need a hit of ibogaine just to keep my head from exploding…

What does this have to do with Christopher Hitchens, is he the guy holding the sign? I’m so confused…

What does Hitch have to do with this? Was that him in the picture? Or someone that looks like him?

Ed’s a pretty funny guy. This style of ‘playing the neocons for fools’ is kinda like Colbert, and it’s really good.

And anyone who looks at the sign, doesn’t know if Ed is trying to protest against McCain or for McCain, but what everyone thinks in the end is ‘McCain is down with bombing Iran’ .. So, it gets the message out either way.

They won’t have to wait for McCain, because W is getting ready to stratzergize with Israel about bombing Iran on his trip to the M.E. He was just on the teevee yackin’ about how dangerous they are….of course, no one ever challenges the bastid…we are so f’d.

Impeach, please, Now!!!!!!!

Let’s not forget the computer voting machines even during these primaries. MoveOn sent me this today about Congress possibly considering a bill for emergency paper ballots next week. This is a petition encouraging them to do that.

http://pol.moveon.org/paper2008/

A friend I sent the petition to wrote this back:
“BTW, the accu-vote optical scanning machine that was proven to be easily manipulated through computer code introduced through the memory card in the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy”, is being used to record 80% of the votes in the NH primary today.”

One thing the GOP really really understands: some people really really need to hate someone else. Give them that enemy and they will give you your vote.

I hope Keith Olbermann has a special comment on the idiocy of the GOP supporters like this sport. I do not think I have ever seen anything or anyone this profoundly stupid.

and what if you hate the repub party?

Gawd, those two guys in the picture kinda look like the two guys telling HRC to iron their shirts…/s

The emergency paper ballots would be for the November election.

current delegate count

Clinton 539
Obama 234
Edwards 141
Richardson 2
Kucinich 1

marymccurnin January 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
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Who is the closest person in character to Hunter?

________

Colbert. hands down ……….

He should since all he does is provide “lip service” to Republicans. They get quite a work out.

Ya think he knows Jeff Gannon/Guckert?

Can you believe the unmitigated gall of a lame duck warhawk visiting the ME after he invaded it? My hair is on fire.

Ah perris. It’s alright for the Rs to have Spanish ads in Florida because those are Cuban Spanish speakers and Cubans are good Hispanic immigrants doncha know. /snark

Best picture EVER of Rudy.

What if….the “surge” of independent “undeclared voters”…get Obama nominated and then turn on him in the general. Who are they, and where did they come from. I hope they are legit, but I am always suspicious.

I finally came out of denial on how wingnutty my family is when Head Wingnut came unglue about the Elian thing. Yes, Cubans have been more persecuted than blacks and chinese and mexicans. I had to make sure I had both feet on the ground because the room started spinning after that.

Some people are totally clueless. See the LA Times for this tease for an op-ed that I won’t be reading:

Jonah Goldberg: The presidential race isn’t about issues; it’s a search for the person who validates us.

I hope he’s speaking for himself, because he certainly isn’t speaking for me.

Ya think he knows Jeff Gannon/Guckert?

*Rubs two balloons together*

Best picture EVER of Rudy.

Better than this one?

I don’t know where you got those from? CNN lists

Clinton 169
Obama 66
Edwards 47
Richardson 19
Kucinich 1

I’m kinda partial to this Rudi photo:

http://blogs.the-review.com/le…..eratu1.jpg

Which one is Rudi?

Time for this firepup to get a catnap in before my pups get home from school. Back this evening

Maybe Jonah should have another round of beers?

I think a lot of press are just dusting off their election articles from decades back. Is it me or is this election different? Do people know just how badly a “president” who validated partying screwed the nation? apparently the press still doesn’t get it.

nap, nap Betsy.

If this is true why is Hillary even worried?
Or can it change as fast as the polls?

Hillary Girl has jumped on the fear bus. She as much as said, from her hole where she can’t get up and won’t get up again, invoking terrrrrrissssts like the Bushgirl she has now become in a desparate tail spin as she loses NH, and all the states through and including SupTue (23) that terrrissssts is gonna get you if you elect anyone but her.

That’s pretty bright. Edwards and Obama are such dumb lawyers that they’ve never married a president who didn’t have the guts to strike Bin Ladin when he could have, so she somehow with zero experience has the tools to strike back the terrrrissssts after they strike her or she has the Prevent Defense to make them afraid to strike her.

If you buy into that, I have some swamp land to sell you at Upper East Side Manhatten price points.

Hillgirl is making me laugh as much as the bufoon called Kristol that is writing the humor column in NYT.

And yeah I know, loyal dems don’t trash dem candidates no matter how dumb the desparate statements are that they make because as Bernstein says, Dems are now making the same comments towards Hill girl as Rethugs.

But when Hillary says something that is stupid, and insults your intelligence, you have to call her on it.

The Change card over the weekend has morphed into the Experience card on New Hampshire Tuesday, and it’s falling flat with a big thud.

My experience with her in the Senate was no significant initiatives, terrible Bush votes on anything key, and most importantly the girl hasn’t fought for any Democratic cause, despite her saying she would.

Where is Hill Girl on Telco/Comco immunity–she’s silent that’s where she is.

And yesterday Hill Girl took two votes and beat up on Obama for voting the way she did herself. She was referencing continuing to fund Iraq–I criticize all of them for doing that. Edwards did not vote to do that this time, but he also didn’t have the vote.

I like that logic: “Hey You–you screwed up because you did exactly what I did.” LOL to the 64th.

The guy in the photo looks like Christopher Hitchens. Bit it’s not him. Hitchens has said we should bomb Iran.

Say, we got us an overpaid sign holder.

I thought I heard somewhere that those tallies are counting super-delegates (current Senators, Govs, etc.) who said they’d vote for Clinton at the Dem Convention. It’s just talk right now, and if Obama keeps sweeping up wins, many of these superdelegates would actually vote for Obama at the convention, so these numbers are misleading.

Others here probably know more about this.

If I understood that correctly, I’m thinking CNN is promoting these numbers to keep this race interestig for as long as it can. An Obama blowout would hurt ratings for the next few months.

My thoughts exactly…she’s way out ahead. What’s up with that?

Thanks for explaining Bonkers.

From every othe poll I’m watching an Obama blowout is precisely what is happening in NH, particularly with that big percentage (40% or so) of Independent votes. I also think that those Independent votes are a bellweather or prognostic index for what’s going to come.

I wonder if his wife just brings clothes to Buchanan at MSNBC.

When Hillgirl got to the Senate I thought she was going to change things. She changed to a fiasco in Iraq and has done every thing to keep it going. I guess if you consider Dover Coffins exponentially growing a change, then she’s your girl.

Good question

here is the answer I got

CNN is only counting publicly announced endorsements — a private poll that was done a couple of months ago — in either case, Clinton has better than a 2-1 lead for delegates — although obviously those Super D’s will bolt if she melts down

From MSNBC:

National Poll:

Obama–33 percent

Clinton–33 percent

Edwards–20 percent

And: Gary Hart has endorsed Obama.

Katherine with every bit of respect due, that count is not current on the ground in New Hampshire today.

She’s worried that if she loses NH, then the money will begin to dry up and she will not make it to CA and NY…

I always liked Hart and thought that he was smart but I really don’t think that anyone cares who he endorses any more. Is he thinking cabinet? Maybe..

From MSNBC–

NH priamry officlas worried that they might run out of ballots. Turn is really really high…

Hillary planned her campaign and chose to run as if she had already won. She was so arrogant that it was painful…no tears here. Maybe her handlers misjudged the American people.

“Who’s not proud of this kid?” says Amanda Carpenter, national political reporter for the conservative site Townhall.com. “He has a story people feel good about.”

In the wake of Obama’s remarks about unity on the night of his Iowa caucus victory Thursday, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman and self-described conservative, called it “one of the most remarkable speeches I’ve ever seen.”

Bill Bennett, the conservative author, said on CNN that it was a “remarkable breakthrough” for “Barack Hussein Obama, a black man,” to win in a “rural, white farming state.” Rush Limbaugh added his voice on the radio, saying that Obama and Mike Huckabee, the Republican winner in Iowa, “had really uplifting, inspirational speeches.”

The Weekly Standard called Obama “the classiest candidate on the Democratic side.” Peggy Noonan, the former Ronald Reagan speechwriter, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Obama had won “with a classy campaign, an unruffled manner, and an appeal on the stump that said every day, through the lines: Look at who I am and see me, the change that you desire is right here, move on with me and we will bring it forward together.”

it surely looks like they want to run against oboma, doesn’t it?

check this out from howard kurtz;

“Who’s not proud of this kid?” says Amanda Carpenter, national political reporter for the conservative site Townhall.com. “He has a story people feel good about.”

In the wake of Obama’s remarks about unity on the night of his Iowa caucus victory Thursday, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman and self-described conservative, called it “one of the most remarkable speeches I’ve ever seen.”

Bill Bennett, the conservative author, said on CNN that it was a “remarkable breakthrough” for “Barack Hussein Obama, a black man,” to win in a “rural, white farming state.” Rush Limbaugh added his voice on the radio, saying that Obama and Mike Huckabee, the Republican winner in Iowa, “had really uplifting, inspirational speeches.”

The Weekly Standard called Obama “the classiest candidate on the Democratic side.” Peggy Noonan, the former Ronald Reagan speechwriter, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Obama had won “with a classy campaign, an unruffled manner, and an appeal on the stump that said every day, through the lines: Look at who I am and see me, the change that you desire is right here, move on with me and we will bring it forward together.”

New Hampshire is the state that least supports the war. (It’s like 7% only.) So that sign there is really, really strange. And makes me think it’s some kind of well-done stunt… to get the anti-war folks to vote for…. not sure, but surely not McCain.

“What are you talking about? Arabs attacked us.”

This seems so ludicrous on so many levels. The crazy thing is is that Iranians aren’t Arab – they’re Persian. It’s an important point – and it highlights why American lack of historical and cultural context dooms so much of our foreign policy.

From MSNBC:

Hillary worries that she might lose by double digits…If that happens, then she’ll shake up her campaign staff…

Yep.

It’s nice to see a desire for change to be driving turnout instead of the threat of gay marriage.

Jane:

Typo in title: Hitchens Gets Pawned…

Ding.

sexist pig

[RBG Note; snark tag closed]

Those ignorant are very well paid. The worst thing is that their vote worth like any other.

Typo in title: Hitchens Gets Pawned…

See definition.

Ed Andersen’s caper is definitely worthy of Borat…

a private poll that was done a couple of months ago — in either case, Clinton has better than a 2-1 lead for delegates

??????

Things haven’t changed since then have they?

the accu-vote optical scanning machine that was proven to be easily manipulated through computer code introduced through the memory card in the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy”, is being used to record 80% of the votes in the NH primary today.”

Is this true?

Anyone watching the exit polls?

The sad thing is, if it happened as it reads, the guy on our side, Ed, is the one that said “Arabs attacked us.” Jane, is this correct, or are some quotation marks misplaced?

Thanks! I guess you learn something new everyday…

In the wake of Obama’s remarks about unity on the night of his Iowa caucus victory Thursday, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman and self-described conservative, called it “one of the most remarkable speeches I’ve ever seen.”

yeah right he said he could vote for Kerry too after the Dem convention in 2004 and then proceded to have the swiftboaters on his show everynight

sexist pig

LOL Raven–

If you’re that much off base and blind in every other decision you make today, I’d just give it up right now.

I have no thoughts towards Hillary because she is a woman. I’ve said that numerous times. you don’t help yourself by deteriorating into name calling. That’s a trademark of the Rethug blogs.

I absolutely don’t care if Hillary Clinton is a man, a woman, or a hermaphrodite. I’m concentrating on what she’s said, how she’s voted, and what she’s doing in response to much better performances from Edwards with a fraction of the money that she had(it’s begun drying up over the weekend and Bill has been frantically making back room calls to their pervious rich doners asking for more as a last ditch).

You’ve never seen me say anything that’s sexist. Calling Hillary Hillarygirl is not sexist. She happens to be an anatomical female.

There has never been anything sexist I’ve said in any post I’ve made. I don’t want Hillary in this race, and she is obliging me. She’s moving closer and closer to being obsolete.

I want to see a vigorous debate between Edwards and Obama.

Tatically, I don’t see anything Hillary can do to recover.

Enjoy your opinion. But instead of calling names, why don’t you paste one quote from me that butresses your epithet?

I’d say that’s because you can’t. You have the keyboard and mouse–go for it.

[RBG Note; did you miss the closed snark tag?]

You think the independents might feel slighted after falling for that rovian trick and electing Bush?

Who is the closest person in character to Hunter?

There was a time where I did a pretty credible imitation. Not no mo, tho.

Joke big fella

Woo Hoo!! I can comment again! Been locked out, unable to sign in, for two days.

Thanks, RBG!!

Scarborough realizes what every other Republican who understands the wave of momentum that is causing Gillespie and Rove to load up on those H2 blockers.

There’s no way that a wooden Mitt Rommney who has been a successful CEO but can’t communicate on a visceral level in a campaign is going to touch Obama in the general.

Joke big fella

take a deeeeep breath

I actually totally agree with you.

Obama girl is in New Hampshire. Guess the party’s over now. She communicates on a level that Britney America can really understand.

Guys, it’s called POLITICAL THEATER–Ed is spoofing the “morans” of the world.

a real respect for the role of women as serious players in politics

Raven why don’t you get someone to help you comment on the actual issues. I don’t expect to hold my breath for that though–it’ll be fun to watch. Exclamatory phrases and name calling are the tools of people who can’t write.

Who’s that?

It took me a second to understand this post by Jane. Ed Anderson was pulling a publicity stunt with his McCain sign bringing attention to McCain’s Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran antics earlier in the campaign. Christopher Hitchens, another fellow blogger, interviewed Ed and Ed stayed in character and had the exchange referenced in Jane’s post. Hitchens did not realize that Ed Anderson was being snarky. I thought Ed Anderson was truly and ignorant GOP. I finally get it. Forgive me, I’m Blond.

here’s a ground report from NH good news for Democrats

Just got back from being a legal observer at a local ward- huge turnout. Based upon the scientific leanings of my eyes, I saw that people were taking about 8 democratic ballots for every repub one. I was told that new same day registration was already at the level that it would be for the entire day- and those were breaking about 70-80% democratic.

And, registered repubs cannot switch to dem election day- though I saw a few who unsuccessfully tried to do exactly that-

That’s not nice at all. Raven is very clear in what he thinks. No snide remarks needed.

You need to relax.

Seems like there is a little humor disconnect happening here. Let’s not make the mods work any more difficult than it already is.

Thanks.

Thanks for noticing and I realized that I passed on info without verifying the 80% number before I first posted. I rechecked and it’s true that New Hampshire require paper ballots, but there are problems with who handles and counts them. This is a current piece up at Black Box Voting which explains it better than I could. The optical scanning machines being used is accurate.

http://blackboxvoting.org/

I’m not real worried about the primary results, although maybe I should be. But computer voting should have us all concerned. I should qualify that: transparent, verifiable computer voting doesn’t concern me.

Mr. Pierce,

Raven was commenting here at the lake long before you first appeared. No need to get nasty.

Raven,

Don’t mean nuthin’.

Don’t feel bad. This is the second time in a week that Jane has used that word in a headline. And, I looked it up a week ago.

The post has been updated and it was someone at HitchensWatch, not Chrissyfit himself, which is a little unfortunate, but still that sign surely had it’s intended impact on many people.

For some reason I’m going to try one more time. I was joking. It has seemed to me that some folks are so mad about the Hillary crying caper last night that ANY negative reference to her is framed as sexist. I was kidding. If you want to get all fucking crazy about it, fine. I can take it as far as you want until the mods tell me to stop. Won’t be the first time.

in cyberspace, no one can hear you sarcasm.

FIDO

a real respect for the role of women as serious players in politics

Katherine–plese recruit a woman to the Democratic party to run for whom most of us can have respect.

Diane Feinstein–No sorry. I have followed her closely. She’s been toxic poison on every single important issue in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Hillary Clinton–No sorry. Ditto.

Nancy Pelosi–No Sorry Ditto.

Senator B;amcje Lincoln–wow her vote record has been so Bushian it’s unreal.

Please point me to a man or woman in the Senate I can admire today on the Democratic side of the aisele besides

Chris Dodd
Teddy Kennedy
Russ Feingold

who hasn’t capitulated to every Bush wish on key votes.

Let’s discuss votes. I don’t care if these people are asexual, male, or female.

If Kennedy, Dodd, and Feingold were to have sex change operations tomorrow, it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference to me–it may to the MSM–I am focused on issues.

We have a treashed DOJ. We have a Congress that has held Rove and Miers in contempt over the issue but has not had the guts and follow through to take the contempt citation to the floor of the House or the Senate.

That’s pathetic.

I don’t care if these are men or women. In issues I can control personally, I have always fought for no glass ceilings for women.

Let’s focus on what they are doing issue wise and on the campaign trail.

Please tell me which women will stop being complaint to Bush in the House and the Senate when voting on key issues.

Pssst Katherine–Have you been watching what the women in the Senate have done in regards to S. 2248–the bill where wire tapping immunity has been complied with by all the women in the Senate?

I get the FI but what’s the DO (he asks with great trepidation)?

For crissake: Raven meant his remark as snark! Relax, fella…

OT to Raven — sorry, it’s been many years, i.e., a long strange trip. FIDO?

He was probably thinking “Arabs” as opposed to Persians/Iranians. And Arabs did attack us even if it wasn’t “the Arabs”, as neoconservatives would have it.

Fuck it and drive on. . .probably originated with the 173rd. The green towel was knon as a “drive on rag”.

Raven – you crack me up. FIDO, indeed, dude.

PetePierce – dude, you have some good points to make but ya gotta put your gun back in the holster so we can hear what you have to say. jeepers!

Late reports have Dunkin Hunter surging. He is expected garner an estimated 7 to 10 votes.

-G

I was talking about Obama girl and her unclothed state

Feel better now?

And he was in the herd!

Cool and thanks. I was pretty sure I knew the FI part correctly (kind of a given for most ex-GIs what with FIGMO and all)

Please name, recruit, or give me some women in the Senate I can respect. There are a number of women in the House doing a great job–Pelosi however isn’t one of them.

My views have nothing to do with gender. Did I mention my views have nothing to do with gender?

There is no job I know of where women can’t excel and do the job equal to or better then men with possibly the exception of linebacker for the Patriots.

That’d be Senator Blanche Lincon of Arkansas. Her votes have been steriotypically and quintissentially Bush ditto votes.

I want women in the Senate who aren’t Bush ditto votes. That excludes Lincoln, Clinton, and Feinstein.

Have you been blind to the damamge Feinstein has done on judges in Senate Judiciary.

Bush has put 240 people on the Bench. They are far right Federalist society robots and Feinstein not only voted for the vast majority of them–about 90% she flat out promoted them and encouraged their confirmation.

I don’t care what color Farragamo she wheres. I do care what she does and how she votes and how she comports herself towards Democratic causes.

Let me see–If Obama/Edwards were a woman, that’d be better for you regardless of the issues?

If Lincoln, Feinstein, and Clinton were men given their voting records in the Senate, you think I’d be for them?

I’d like all 3 out of the Senate based on their votes.

WETSU was nice, we eat this shit up

Right on.

I can’t understand why this issue never seems to catch on at many of the popular and “somewhat popular” Liberal blog. Any of the work we do here is not worth much if elections keep getting tampered with on a large scale.

DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! Black Box Voting has been all over this stuff for years now (winning financial settlements from Diebold and single-handedly ruining some of the electronic voting companies), and then yelling from the rooftops, yet little is done. Now they’re sounding the alarm after the Iowa Caucuses. We gotta get on this shit before Nov, or there might be trouble.

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-b…..71128.html

AMF before things get FUBAR always seemed to get the attention of the boss…

He’s been reduced to crashing MSNBC coffee klatches. He’s gonna hate retirement.

I’m outta here and heading off to a Bonghits for Gravel rally.

-G

Hard to say if that applies to all the independent votes, I’m just happy that the independents are motivated enough to help slay the Republican parties hopes.

Why hasn’t Congress and why haven’t the states legislated easily hacked Deibold type voting machines out of the elections. They are the mainstay for these primaries and the 2008 general election. I’d consider that a real threat.

WTF? Was my two years that isolated that I’ve never heard any of these?

Some have largely from the pressure put on by Black Box Voting.com, but they can only do so much with limited resources. That’s why I wish they’d get more support.

Absolutely. It blows my mind when Chuck Hagel is admired here for his sometimes progressive views. In my mind, knowing that he was CEO of ES&S voting machine company that produced and counted his unbelievable winning votes (His “win” was off exit polls by 17%) disqualifies him from further advancement.

We really do need to be paying attention. In ‘04 it was all about get over it, we don’t want to talk about it. I’d hate to see that repeated again before we wake up.

Whoopsy…make that blackboxvoting.ORG. The .com isn’t the same place.

I think I got it right at my 97.

Dunno, lot’s of it was Unit based. Between growing up with an old man that was a WWII swabby, a year in Korea and a year in the Nam and then 20 years on the basketball courts. . .as my wife says, “yo have sooo many sayings”! I saved some of my really good ones to see if this cat really wanted to paly. How bout “don’t let your mouth write a check your ass can’t check”?

Obama girl’s clothes were not chosen by her. They were chosen by the female and male producers of her videos.

Television and the web use attractive females and skimpy outfits often to draw eyeballs.

Obama girl’s appearance got people to watch the videos. How much impact they have on the campaign in getting people interested? I doubt little.

Does it bother you Katherine that the appearance of most women who go on camera for hours a day for TV networks is skewed towards outwardly attractive with weight requirements? Why do you think that is? There are plenty of qualified men and women who have less attractive outwardly attractive physical attributes.

Mine was always “don’t let yer alligator mouth overload yer hummingbird a**”

Oh yea!

Peace, bro. Don’t hurt him.

I’ll find you a review later on when I have more time that shows little progress has been made in each individual state towards having a paper trail. Companies like Deibold can be hacked by precocious teenagers.

MIT has made Diebold look simply stupid.

I really appreciate the work organizations have had to get accountable non-hacking voting machines, but the politicians and Secretary of State types in states have had their head in the sand almost completely. They don’t care, and most of them want hacking for Republicans to steal elections as they have probably done in Ohio in 2004.

nah, he don’t even give a shit, he’s not here messin around, he’s serious.

That whole Hagel-moderate thing was complete Conglomerate Media fabrication. For years, he has been one of if not THE MOST reliable Shrubista.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..uck-hagel/

There was a minimum wage boost last year where Hagel was one of the only people in all of the Senate to vote against it. It’s important to spread this around since he’s making rumblings in the Conglomerate Media right now. Perhaps getting out there for a possible VP slot? We can’t let him get away with the lies.

And Secretary of State Bowen of California who is doing the right thing is being sued by some County Clerks who don’t want to abide by her latest rulings about manually counting 10% of the votes when elections are between l/2 and l% close.

VerifiedVoting is a great site for what’s going on in this regard.

I feel good considering my candidate is going to be President. Obama is mopping the floor up with Hill and Edwards. Edwards is a great candidate. I never wanted Clinton in this race and I never for a nanosecond gave a thought to her being a woman. That’s beyond the pale of funny.

What the hell does being a woman have to do with Hillary’s campaign or her terrible votes in the Senate?

We have a very anti-female judiciary (240 of them ushered onto the appellate bench and trial bench by Bush and I don’t recall a croak out of Hillary on this issue.

Feinstein helped them.

Watch Allito and Roberts mow down issue after issue for women’s rights in the workplace. They’ve started already; they’re going to continue this term and next.

Have you read up on his Nebraska “wins” at BlackBox Voting? They published a book last year and it’s really sickening how he was able to get away with it. Even to having the state legislature declare it illegal to recount the vote.

To me, Max Cleland is the poster boy of voting tampering. I think of it every time I see Chambliss open his big fat, patrician mouth.

That’d be Alito as well stomping on women’s issues from the Supreme Court.

Thanks very much for the site. It’s an issue I really care about but I haven’t focused on the sites and groups working to fix it.

Didn’t realize BBV was on Hagel’s trail. Might have to check that out, and the Cleland thing. I certainly was surprised when Chambliss won.

Chambliss had the same surprise “win” that Hagel had. Exit polls didn’t match up and everyone believed that Cleland was swiftboated. Makes me almost crazy to hear “nothing to see here, get over it”. And it’s not like we can’t have verifiable computer voting.

Has it occured to you ever that of 770 or so federal judges most are men?

Why doesn’t any woman who wants equality, particularly in an area that has huge impact push for a law that would mandate every federal judge on the trial and appellate bench has to be gender equal? That means if a man is confirmed, the next confirmation must be a woman.

Because as far as I can tell genetics/fertility wise–births in the U.S. and throughout the world are pretty equally divided. So why aren’t the courts equally divided?

Why don’t we have a mandated 50-50 men and women in the House and Senate? And in state legislatures. We can’t mandate the workforce, but we sure as hell can mandate the courts and the legislatures.

There are plenty of qualified women to be in those positions.

What’s up with that?

Uh, I think it’s called institutional sexism. Is that a long enough answer?

Wanna see my dog and LLamma video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QccijzjtKW8

Max Cleland was certainly swiftboated, but unfortunately in Georgia, you have an intrepid Republican majority whose grasp and insight of politics, foreign affairs, and domestic issues are at the level of a 12 year old.

The majority of people in Georgia actually think Rudy 912 and Willard Romney are great hopes.

Georgia was yellow dog Democratic 15 years ago; now it has been dominated by Republicans and if I remember correctly they are running out of water with a governor who thinks praying for rain is the best remedy, and has proposed a stupid plan that will do little to relieve the crisis–at the last minute of course.

Interesting: I live in a very conservative town. Ron Paul posters are all over the place. I thought Mitt or McCain would get more signage.

See, we really do agree on lot’s of stuff. But living in Athens gives me a slanted view of Georgia!

The only thing I disagree with is this

The majority of people in Georgia actually think

that’s not my experience in 23 years here.

Thanks, dude. Have to get our two labs in here to watch it with us. Outta here for today but a closing thought — man, you’re as old as I am !

It’s a long enough answer to underscore you don’t have a clue about how I view gender and can’t answer any of the questions I posed to you.

You have women in the Senate that are poison to Democratic causes right now–this minute.

What are you going to do about it? Can you replace them with women who aren’t Bush dittoheads?

Pelosi has been a disaster. She happens to be a woman. Hoyer has been a disaster as her #2. He happens to be a man.

Focus on the issues. I don’t care what sex they are when I evaluate them, however I would like to see 50 women in the Senate, and 50 men, equally gender divided, and as I’ve said I’d like to see a 50% gender division in the federal courts and all state and federal legislatures.

Is that crystal clear enough for you?

The women in the Senate are voting precisely as Bush dictates them to them to vote. On every damn issue.

Guess what, I don’t give a shit how you view anything.

I’ll study up, and get some figures Raven, but maybe I should have nuanced it to say that of the 10-12% of people that I believe turn out in Georgia elections, not much greater in Presidential elections (although more of course) it’s become predominantly a Republican state, they are voting heavily Republican now, and have since the Republicans dominated the Georgia legislature.

The people you spend time with are probably pretty well educated, and they may be very “liberal” but (and I’ll pull these up later) it was my impression that Georgia voting has gotten heavily Republican.

That’s why people like Chambliss and Issacson now have such an easy time getting elected, and why Chambliss unseated Max Cleland.

If you look at the voting record of the Georgia Senators, or Republicans in the House it is close to 100% along party lines.

That could not matter to me less.

This is for the folks discussing voting machines. You probably already heard this:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..38;sc=1000
I find this part in bold to be the most amusing:

That’s not the way it works, said Nicole Winger, a spokeswoman for Bowen.

“California law is very clear about the secretary of state’s authority when it comes to certification of voting systems,” she said. “Certification includes conditions, and the conditions for this flawed voting system to be used in Tuesday’s election were explicitly laid out.”

In a written statement, an ES&S spokesman argued that the company had fulfilled all its obligations to the city.

“The fact is yesterday’s election in San Francisco went well and voters had a positive experience at the polls,” said Ken Fields, a company spokesman. “We look forward to making sure that the facts regarding our obligations and efforts in San Francisco are clear.”

My daughter is going to work the polls and gets trained on the “new” machines on Saturday. I’ll tell you how it goes.

Why did you bother to post your inane comments then? LOL

The people in Georgia are mostly idiots.

I was here when you got here and I’ll be here when you go somewhere else.

Lol Raven. You said you didn’t care in your badass vernacular “I don’t give a shit what you think” was precisely what you said.

I’ve come to recognize the pandemnic though lately. If you’re not for Hillary Clinton, or you’re happy she’s getting crushed now by Obama who is going onto the general, you’re a real bastard woman hater.

Of course among the women who are heavily leaving Hillary and actually the majority of women are voting for Obama–that’s not so much a problem.

Gee–the vast majority of women in each primary are voting for Obama. These must be the genetic branch of women who hate women.

The people in the next thread need your brilliance.

Back, briefly. What’s with this guy?

John Edwards never gave up the chance to vote NO to the confirmation of an Attorney General who won’t testify that waterboarding is torture. Senators Clinton and Obama both gave up that responsibility to continue campaigning. They said they opposed Mukasey, yet they couldn’t be bothered to actually vote against him.

Actions speak louder than words, and inactions speak just as loud. Both Clinton and Obama have a lot of ’splaining to do.

Well hell’s bells.

I’m a woman last time I checked. I’m not voting for HRC. That’s makes me a woman-hater?

Can we disagree on the issues and candidates without being labeled something really nasty?

I thought he was serious but, after further review, me smells a troll.

I couldn’t agree more. But Biden, and Dodd missed many votes. We know Dodd heroically fought but one part of S. 2248 that is a totally bad bill, ceding control of what’s legal wiretapping to Mukasey and McConnell.

You won’t see Clinton, who will go from crushing defeat to crushing defeat, and Obama who will continue crushing victory after victory returning to vote or participate in S. 2248 either.

Mukasey was an important vote and terrible choice. So has and will be S. 2248.

When S. 2248 hits the floor again you’ll see a slue of posts here and at EW on it. Watch what they do.

My point is that lately with some people like Raven who are turning into trolls, you can’t be specific about why you don’t support Clinton without being labled a woman hater.

And it’s become pandemic it seems with a few people here. You don’t want Clinton, so they start calling you names, pissing on you, and saying you hate women.

My other point is that women are heavily supporting Obama in NH, most other states, and they did in Iowa. Does that make them women haters?

Of course not. It makes them people who for whatever their reasons don’t think Clinton can represent their interests.

My reasons are rooted in how she’s conducted herself in the Senate, what she’s said, versus what I think Edwards would do or Obama would do.

It’s as simple as that. I was surprised to see women who should have known Hillary was going to have a tough time, all of a sudden think that people who don’t want her as President somehow hate or discriminate against women. It’s ludicrous.

Again, I would be happy to see the federal court system and the legislative branch equally populated with women.

No one wants to tackle why that hasn’t happened. I haven’t seen one post by Christy, Jane, or EW contemplating why women aren’t equally represented on the federal bench and in the House or the Senate.

It sure strikes me as an interesting question. It seems unfair.

Hell’s bells. It makes you a member of the majority of women who have thought it out and don’t want to vote for Clinton.

I was being ironic. Some people are mad at anyone who doesn’t want to vote for Hillary strongly disagrees with her positions. She’s not an unknown. She raised almost as much money as Obama. She raised a ton more money than any Republican candidate.

The Republican candidate for President in the general election has a very reliable contributor–himself. He’s willing to spend millions of dollars to try to buy the advertising he thinks will get him elected. What he can’t buy is a way to connect with voters, and he is such a Bush clone that voters will reject him. Romney keeps yelling change when every one of his issues is more of the same.

But leading up to the primaries and caucuses, the conventional wisdom was women would come out heavily to support HRC. It’s not going to be the case, but I imagine because we are long overdue a woman President (what’s up with that ladies–why haven’t we had a woman president since George Washington yet–because the birth rate as to boys and girls has stayed the same?

The mods are very aware of who the trolls are.

Let’s make our points without using that term, find neutral corners, or the mods will step in.

There is no trolling whatsoever in responding sincerely and I haven’t seen you contribute any ideas towards an issue since I’ve been here. Do you have any?

1) that you don’t hate women. I have always posted sincerely.

2) Posting reasons why you are disatisfied with Clinton’s, Lincoln’s, and Feinstein’s performance.

There must be 1500 posts on FDL as to Feinstein’s failure in the Senate in the past month by scores of people.

3) Raising the question as to why Congress hasn’t passed an amendment or law that would mandate equal gender representation in the Presidency, the Courts, or the Legislative branch of government.

The name calling and cursing towards individual firepups has never come from me.

I’m interested in ideas, and that’s what my posts have been and will be reflecting.

RBG can you link me to any of your posts that discuss ideas?

Pete, as one of the site admins for FDL, it is my daily regret that I just don’t have the time to post comments of the substance that I see in so many great comments at FDL.

And FWIW, the term “troll” was used by several people and my earlier comment was addressed to each and every one using the term.

Thanks.

I understand.

I must tell you that I’ve seen this idea now when you say you’re not for Hillary both out and about among some of my women friends, and here that you somehow are associated with women haters or people who think because she’s a woman she would be less qualified.

That never crossed my mind on any conscious level.

It frustrates me though that in the last couple days, if you point out strategy from the Clinton campaign you don’t approve of or think is working some real venom comes out.

What I commonly hear from my friends who are disappointed in the turn of events for Hillary is “people wouldn’t say those things abbout her if she were a man.”

Well it depends what the meaning of “those things are” but when Bill Clinton misquotes Obama as he has today, calling him on it doesn’t have much to do with thinking Bill Clinton is a woman.

Some women are very sensitive to any criticism of Hillary. I understand this psychologically in that she’s the first woman who has made a serious run for the Presidency.

But if we are to recognize gender equality in government, we need to insure that women have equal numbers as Presidents, Judges, and in Congress.

Somehow criticizing Hillary for some firepups has been equated to comments that Chris Mathews or Keith Oberhmann made last night that offended some women.

That’s unfortunate. But I can’t all of a sudden support Hillary Clinton because it will make certain people happy.

I’m most frustrated by Congress, and Hillary, Feinstein, Lincoln, and Pelosi have been significant components of that frustration.

RGB, I was hoping this was over but you know me better than this. I tried twice to explain to this gut that it was a joke. He has continued to make these ridiculous statements and I don’t know how you define it but, if the shoe fits, he need to wear it.

with respect

mj

Pete, I’m going to presume that the only use of “you” that actually refers to me is the first one in your last comment and that the rest of your comment is not directed toward anything I have ever said.

Raven, as a very wise man has said more than once in these threads….I’ve gotta go adjust the track lighting.

Peace out homes.

That’d be correct.

It’s funny to me that the same people who call names and cuss people out like ole Raven, make sure they don’t post anything substantive when they are calling names.

It’s because they can’t. If they could, they’d be concentrating on issues instead of what their twisted personalities perceive as threatening.

He has continued to make these ridiculous statements and I don’t know how you define it but, if the shoe fits, he need to wear it.

It’s beyond your capacity Raven to define or refute what you deign “ridiculous statements.” You’re too busy calling names as you did ages 4-9.

Pete, you have made your point and it’s time to move on.

FWIW, I’d be willing to bet that Raven would consider the reference to
“twisted personalities” to be a compliment.

How about a “100 Years in Iraq” sign?