…This well known Kabuki dance between Congress and the Executive branch over the intersection between oversight and criminal law enforcement has played out hundreds of times since the beginning of the Republic, in our lifetimes most notably in Watergate and Iran-Contra. There is an equally insidious way in which these shared investigative powers collide—and that is in the way in which the Executive seeks to control and intimidate Congressional oversight by reliance on the classification system and the veiled, and sometimes direct, threat of prosecution of members of Congress for disclosing classified information in the course of performing their oversight responsibilities….
The Rockefeller episode illustrates how too often legislators are cowed into acquiescence or timid supplications with respect to issues involving classified documents or matters by an aggressive or threatening Executive branch. Of course, over 30 year ago in a case eerily reminiscent of the current controversies, the Supreme Court laid to rest the notion that legislators could be questioned by the Executive branch for doing their job. Every member of Congress needs to read the Gravel decision to appreciate the broad constitutional protection they have been afforded by the Framers to inquire into the Executive’s administration of our national security apparatus.
Unfortunately, the article doesn’t fully address the tension between the intelligence laws put in place to protect state secrets and the public’s right to know when such secrets violate the law and directly contradict what they are being told by elected officials.
There are historical and legal precedents in place precisely because the Founders and the leaders who have followed them did stand up when necessary to challenge other branches of government on separation of powers grounds. (You can learn more about the Gravel case here — and yes, it is the same Mike Gravel running for president.) A read through the Doolittle Report from 1954 and the Church Committee Report outline a number of the issues already tackled that we are again facing in this context. And in reading this, by comparison current leadership seems woefully lacking.
Oversight on any of these issues is the key to unravelling the mess. But it will require challenging the fundamental positions of authoritarian absolutism that have been set in place — and to get there, we will have to see both leadership and a willingness to stand up and fight coming from Congress and the Courts. And the Bush Administration must be called on every odious attempt to duck accountability for their actions, illegal or otherwise.
If we are to avoid repeating the failures of history, we must first learn the most important lesson of all: leaders stand up when the fight is the hardest of all.
Craig Unger lays out a compelling history of the neocon underpinnings that have birthed these myriad failed policies in his Fall Of The House Of Bush. During the Book Salon last Saturday, I thought this comment was particularly on point as to motivation:
In the book, I trace Cheney’s view of the imperial presidency back to Watergate which he saw as a liberal plot to curtail the powers of the executive branch. I write at some length about Cheney and Rumsfeld in the administration of Gerald Ford, and their machinations to redress these grievances. You also see the neocons hard at work during this period, distorting intel through Team B, and undermining the CIA. All of which prefigures the neocon machinations and Cheney’s in the Bush administration. I think understanding all this is essential to figuring out what the next president will face.
To unearth the root causes and to supplant them in governmental institutions wherein they have been seeded like so much neocon authoritarian chaff among the bureaucracy and the Hill staffers will take real leadership and a commitment to better government and the rule of law. It will also take a commitment to the truth, and not swallowing the spin whole — both by political leaders and by the media which covers them.
The question is, who will those leaders be? I agree with Jane that FISA would be a good place to start. More on this in Part II…
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Christy!
Congrats, wigwam. Now go get everyone. *g*
Think Progress reporting that some folks at the CIA are scrambling to lawyer up.They are also asking if DOJ is going after Deadeye.
such a great post does not deserve an early drive-by OT. but for those of you who haven’t already heard…..
our friend hugh (of hugh’s list) is scheduled to be on the radio with jeff farias this evening (7pm EST – time has changed). and i think we’ll be able to listen in via webstream.
With friends like Jay Rockefeller,
who needs enemies like David Addington?
I don’t think Bush will turn over anything while he is in power. But I do think Bush will destroy Documents before a Democrat gets to office. I wonder who he has set up to be the patsy.
Darth is my guess he can stonewall long enough until he dies.
Thank you, Christy, for an excellent and necessary posting.
The problem is not that they don’t have Constitutional and legal cover. It’s that they a) don’t have a leader anywhere among them – not even on the campaign trail; b) still listen to David Broder to decide what to do; and c) have been so complicit for so long, they realize that exposure will not be all black and white and many of them look as bad as the Republicans.
booyah.
The spineless ones in Congress need to act now to freeze all the contents of Deadye’s walk-in safe. Only with a thorough investigation of what is in there will we be able to put a lot of the pieces together on what has happened.
Digg It! Christy
Impeach now or forever hold your peace
I want a president who brings a Costco sized bottle of antiseptic and isn’t afraid to use it.
I think going after the press is our best bet. To many of them like Judy Miller pushed us to war and when we get the White House Emails that we have been waiting for we can use that uncritical acceptance of basing stories that did turn out to be wrong that the White House planted but would not go on the record for as a reason to force sales of media properties so corporations can not get control.
I think news should be independent. I think corporations should not be allowed to own news companies.
I think news organizations should not kill stories because their advertisers don’t like them.
I want to see Sicko on network TV prime time so we can get Healthcare!
What is the penalty for destroying White House Documents? Is there a penalty for destroying documents in a criminal or civil investigation?
I’m thinking about Condi’s state Dept providing cover for KBR.
Sure would be fun ta see the pack of thieves in jail- but we’ve got the great pardoner poised to pounce if the dogs get too close.
Isn’t deadeye’s safe property of congress (4th branch and all) shouldn’t they be able to send the capitol police right on over. Oh wait, TSP blackmail prevents anything from happening, my bad.
looking at the radio’s website (above), the schedule for farias is for him to start at 6:00pm phoenix time, which is mountain time, which would make it 8Pm eastern, 7pm central and 5pm pacific. maybe that’s what the comment “time has changed” is about?
Exposure to the world is what I want from Impeachment. You cannot defend to anyone what has been done. That will hold government to a higher bar. Without that expaosure they keep repeating the crimes.
We need to remove all the Supreme Court justices who had a conflict of interest in Bush vs Gore first if we can appoint some new judges and then bring this stuff to trial.
This is another one of Christy’s posts that make me want to stand up and cheer! I especially appreciate the following:
Christy, may I respectfully suggest that you offer your services as speech-writer to the candidate of your choice?
Recently discussed here on FDL was a post that identified the different speaking styles of the top 3 candidates: Obama the visionary, Clinton the technocrat, and Edwards the fighter. Christy has the vision thing down pat, IMHO, because she understands how the Constitution was meant to work, and what kind of society the Constitution envisions. That’s the piece that Edwards is missing. The public needs to hear about the vision for which he is fighting, and Christy’s got it. I think her vision is entirely consistent with his thinking.
Bob in HI
I notice that Senator Dodd’s campaign website is still up. In case you didn’t see his thank-you to all of us in his speech when he withdrew from the race, here it is, along with his promise to keep up the fight:
Several of us have asked Senator Dodd to keep his phone-dialer tool (where we could call Senators without charge and he could keep track of the number of calls we made) functioning in the next phase of the FISA battle. Has anyone heard whether he is going to do that? Does anyone know if campaign laws will allow him to do this?
Of course Congress has overlooked one really important thang—–they can pass laws that CHANGE who can be prosecuted for disclosing classified intel and under what circumstances.
So, they could make it OK to disclose in closed session, on the floor during debate and during oversight hearings.
Hmmm, thye might even be able to do w/o shrub’s signature, just by chnaging their own internal rules–don’t quote me on that, I may need to go do some research before I tie myself to that one.
But you get the drift
Sibel Edmonds has been talking finally. Either she is a crazy moon bat or there has been high level treason by State department and Pentagon officials. Nuclear secrets have been stolen and given to Turkey, Isr**l and Pakistan. She claims “al Qaeda” was created by Pakistan and Pakistan financed the 9-11 attack through General Mahmoud Ahmad. Edmonds also claims that “investigations by law enforcement bodies such as the FBI and Britain’s Revenue & Customs have been aborted to preserve diplomatic relations.” There is more by Larisa Alexandrovna at HuffPo.
We may need to alert the media about this, and also tell the 9-11 Commission that the attacks may have been an inside job.
We know Elizabeth drops in here from time to time…
Won’t happen until we get rid of Nancy.
Does she comment here I’d like to say Hi
jeff farias’ website lists the program as 6-9pm EST – so 7pm sounds right.
i’m streaming novamradio now, and it’s randi rhodes.
May Rep. Jane Harman and Senator Susan Collins following Hillary into political oblivion for their legislative garbage in favor of state-run terrorism.
And I would like to thank her and her husband!
Who in my party (Dems) aided GWB in lighting the fuse that may set the world afire? To say I am furious with my party over Iraq, and now the possibility of attacking Iran is a gross understatement.
ygm
Rule of law? The Republicans couldn’t care less and my party cowers.
You really want to get picked up don’t you. I hope there is an FDL wing in prison it would be like going to KOZ only all of us would be there:)
I call top bunk!
I think that the Conservative Authoritarian power grab by the neocons is what HRC was talking about when she got choked up. I honestly think so.
Actually, if it can be done by internal rules change–she might go for that.
I think removing the specter of prosecution from her onw members will strengthen her position as Majority Leader, which she would like to do.
If Bush decides that we are providing support for terror we are all going away unless the Dems change things. I want a Presidential Candidate to make some noise on this subject.
Before Bush invades Iran.
“. . . c) have been so complicit for so long, they realize that exposure will not be all black and white and many of them look as bad as the Republicans.”
History will harshly judge the Democrats of the 110th Congress, especially Pelosi, for their failure to defend the Separation of Powers, and for turning a blind eye to scores of high crimes and misdemeanors without using the Constitutional powers at their disposal. Their only strategy seems to be to do unto the Republicans what the Republicans have done unto them, i.e., to get enough votes to “win” along partisan lines, rather than trusting in Constitutional processes such as impeachment to produce a bipartisan consensus (as happened during Watergate.)
In short, Nancy Pelosi is a fink, and so are Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel.
Bob in HI
Impeach.
She commented here some time ago on one of Jane’s posts about healthcare. (If anyone else remembers the specific post, please correct me). Elizabeth is a truly remarkable woman and it was evident that many firepups feel the same way.
But the Edwards’ would be lucky to get Christy. Another truly remarkable woman.
I would throw Harry Reid into your mix as well. To honor holds placed by GOP senators over long tenured Democratic Senators is unforgivable.
Mittie and Johnny and Hillary and Obama. Business as usual today. They’re all scrapping in the sandbox over the Tonka toys. Good grief.
Then she should talk about and try and protect us. If she gets rid of Penn an important symbol of Center Dem ties and moves Left I will support her. Only by out Lefting Obama and Edwards can she win now.
We have changed the terrain of battle to suit us but will anyone really fight.
Only by protecting us from being picked up can we fight for her and keep up the pressure to investigate Bush.
Security is Maslows first step I believe we need that.
OT (and not). On Randi Rhodes, just now, she has on a tape of Bhuto (prior to her recent assassination) giving the name of the person who assassinated Osama Bin Ladin. She says he is likely to kill her too. But, if she knew Osama was killed, don’t the Bushies? Wow. Anyone know anything about this?
That is, the assassin of Osama was set up to do her too.
saw it, thanks
What Bob said!!!!
I heard the same story I also want more details. Are there any Pakistani bloggers with insight? Maybe the Gorilla Guides people can help?
Do I think that Hillary could ever conceive of the notion that Hillary’s “problem” as a candidate, just might be Hillary?
So by having no real conviction, and just pandering to whatever seems popular at any given time? No thanks.
Here’s some American “Intel”. And I believe every word of it.
AP – Iranian boats harassed and provoked three American Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, threatening to explode the vessels, U.S. officials said Monday, calling it the most serious such incident in years.
A lot of people have speculated that she just misspoke. Hard to tell when you watch the video. Strange how neither she nor David Frost (the interviewer) even blink an eye at her saying that.
“Several of us have asked Senator Dodd to keep his phone-dialer tool (where we could call Senators without charge and he could keep track of the number of calls we made) functioning in the next phase of the FISA battle. Has anyone heard whether he is going to do that? Does anyone know if campaign laws will allow him to do this?”
Send your requests along these lines via Firepup Matt Browner Hamlin. I just did.
Bob in HI
She said it during a David Frost interview in November.
i don’t know exactly how i was reading it, but now that i look at it again, i’m sorry i butted in. i stand corrected. thanks!
AND i’m totally thrilled you told us: i can’t wait to hear hugh “in person” at 7pm EST!
She might have been trying to play possum until she got the Presidency which seemed a safe plan to win.
Her problem is that she didn’t believe that we 70%ers were real after all where were we when Bill was in trouble?
Same with Obama.
But we are 70% now they should adjust their plans for the current electoral map.
I think so too.
always better to say something, that way we can figure stuff out together.
and yeah, i’m really excited for hugh… but don’t forget that this is, as far as i know, hugh’s first time doing something like this.
I do not think anyone knows the truth about these events. But it is clear the US Government has lots of splainin to do. Here is a link to the wiki of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. Sheikh was born in Britain and may have spied for Britain. He was part of the money trail, that sent $100,000 to the 9-11 hijackers. The Bushies say the terrorist “KSM” killed Daniel Pearl, but Sheikh was convicted of that and is supposedly in a Pakistan jail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A…..eed_Sheikh
I want results not talking if any Dem can change things now they should. Words alone will not win my vote!
But I will offer advise to all Dems, and Heckle them when I think that they are wrong.
Hilary’s loss in Iowa I hope will wake her up.
I think in weakness she might be tempted to reach out now to our ideas.
Never kick away a sinner who might repent.
God I am still so Catholic
I agree. Everyone should watch the video.