ES!!!

Hey ES. I’m just driving by on my way to sleep. I hopes you well, and send you my best.

Nice, ES

ES! And the vid is the reason YouTube was invented.
Nice find!

Dixville Notch votes are in.

McCain won for the GOoPers with 4 votes.

Obama won for the Democrats with 7 votes.

Obama scored more votes than anyone.

Sen. Clinton scored a zilch.

Romney came in a GOP 2nd.

-G

Catchy tune!

Get you one of them Ipods. In the category of gadgets I’m glad I bought, it’s right up at the top of the list. You can get a Shuffle for 80 bucks.

gotta link?

More Democrats than Republicans….

Dixville Notch.
-G

Votes in Dixville

Pretty accurate forecast this time around.

GragB, Re your comment in EPU. You are my hero! Sure wish you nailed it on video.

Long-shot GOP hopeful Rep. Duncan Hunter attended the vote in Dixville Notch, where results were announced before 12:06 a.m. in a small room packed with TV cameras and photographers.

“It epitomizes people-to-people politicking,” Hunter said minutes before the votes were cast.

Hunter received no votes in either town.

thanks
and thanks pete

I have to say this song and the silly young dancing fellow take me back to some great San Francisco years.

I have to say this song and the silly young dancing fellow take me back to some great San Francisco years.

Didn’t you have a retail spot in the Haight?
Yeah, not like that anymore.

ES,

I embarrassed my friend, but I think Frank got a well deserved earful.

Maybe he will quit now.

-G

Thanks.

Night doggies, gotta work the polls in the morning for the town.

That Dixville Notch turned blue is a great omen.

Obama will have a very strong day tomorrow.

The Bay area is is a hot spot for good music. My sweetie got to see Robin ford at Yoshi’s last year. She said she he was awesome. I didn’t get to go as it was ladies night out.

G’nite Greg and thanks for the link. Be sure and let us know how it goes.

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Obama won for the Democrats with 7 votes.

Yes, but he didn’t win all the votes. The other Hussein was much better at electoral politics. ;-)

Yes indeed. A couple over the years. I started my first retail business with a used motorcycle, 75 bucks to my name, and a lot of determination. And it worked out really well.

Thanks Greg, for stepping up.
It’s peculiar that it took Ron Paul supporters to chase that s***stain on the streets. Liars need to be confronted hourly, and we should be the ones doing it.
Bravo, Dude!

As I said last night, when Bill Clinton took office, his wife was, no doubt, equally qualified for the job HE got.

My beef with her is that all these years later, she couldn’t feel that the winds had changed. She chose Lieberman over Lamont, Carville over Dean. She could have been reaching out to the base after 2004 at little or no political cost, and she chose instead to embrace those who tried to marginalize us.

It was her choice. It’s her loss.

Is that “other Hussein” comment your attempt to bait an argument based on race or religion?

Duncan can get an early start building the fence

she reached out to her base- the corporate interests

Damn! Lampray Annie keeps popping up, and I keep clicking to bring her money to FDL.

Uh-oh, the Repugs had one more voter than the Dems, 23-22; Obama 16, McCain 10, Huck 5, Paul 4, Edwards, Clinton, and Mitt 3 apiece…

Me thinks it is perhaps an attempt at levity or a message to Barack to stop turning the other cheek.

thanks, wigwam, its a dirty job but someone has to do it. i so enjoy the fact that every time lampray is clicked, she is giving money to fdl.

Lest there be any doubt: http://firedoglake.com/2007/03…..und-drang/

Oh, Ghouliani picked up one vote, too! Bwhahahaha……..

tis obviously in question otherwise i would not have asked ray, broadbrush.

Left you an EPU downstairs ;~)

thanks, wigwam, its a dirty job but someone has to do it. i so enjoy the fact that every time lampray is clicked, she is giving money to fdl.

And even better, her book(s) are remaindered, selling for pennies.
Irony, thy name is F.D.L.

hey Suz: 39 degrees over the summit (driving the kid back to UCSC)…chilly

butting out

hey npb – i’ve not lost power all day – hows your side of the bay?

pun – tis 37 here and still falling.

Heh, dollar store discounts! At least they make great door stops… ;-)

Hi AT,

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She could have been reaching out to the base after 2004

That’s crazy talk. Hillary exemplifies the brazen corporatist mentality that took over the Democratic Party after the disarray caused by the Dukakis meltdown in ‘88.

Hillary Clinton has absolutely no history of being in harness with the base. Her book “It takes a Village” is heavy on platitudes and light on the sorts of accomplishments she so desperately wants us to believe we see. It was her husband who mercilessly ripped apart the social safety net with his heartless “welfare reform”. What did Hillary have to say about that? Nada, as far as I can tell.

And at the same time the Bill Clinton was heartlessly wrecking the few programs that were preventing extreme poverty in this nation what was he doing on the other end of K Street? He was using the SIGINT intercepts from the PROMIS program at the NSA to steal European corporate communications and pass them on at only the cost of a bribe (campaign contribution) from U.S. domiciled corporations. Read about it in James Bamford’s shockingly educational “Body of Secrets“

What I’d like to hear from Hillary is what sort of gifts she promising to her friends in the military/security state-complex. I’m sure that if the American people knew what she was offering her real “base” they would tar and feather her and run her out of the country. Maybe down to Geoge Bush’s new ranch in Paraguay.

Heh, dollar store discounts! At least they make great door stops… ;-)

It’s cold here, and I’m out of firewood…

dude, you must be stoked

ray, did you miss my question at 24?

Just what I was thinking, just right for a cold night here in RWC!

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Is that “other Hussein” comment your attempt to bait an argument based on race or religion?

Nope. It’s my attempt to point out the absurdity of pseudo-democracies.

I’m reminded here of one my heroines. Emma Goldman wrote:

“If voting really mattered, they would just make it illegal.”

I suspect no truer words have ever been spoken.

Good idea, I’m sure a crate of Regnery Pubs would be cheaper than a cord of wood… ;-)

if democracy is so absurd, why do you care?

Howdy!
Ann, like Joan of Arc… Alive and living medium-well in Argentina.

EPU = ?

Man, we need to go to The Peppermill in Cupertino for a decent firepit around here.

Or better yet why do you still live in the US? Plenty of other countries out there.

EPU – means message left for you on a thread downstairs.

Okay, Ray, let’s take it to it’s ‘logical’ conclusion, what if nobody voted…? Hmmm… Pause and reflect…

Good idea, I’m sure a crate of Regnery Pubs would be cheaper than a cord of wood… ;-)

Kyle Sampson, Monica Goodling & Sara Taylor’s first tomes due out any day now.
The firewood concession around here will be lowering prices, I hear.

There is one in Santa Clare also!
But I do heat my house with a wood burner. usually I burn 2 cord of wood a season, but this year it has been colder than normal and I need to get another cord already before I run out! I do love the buch stove keeps the house cozy and it still works when the power goes out, just doesn’t run the fan in it.

How could ya forget Turd Blossom? Oh wait, he still has to write it… *g*

Ray don’t you remember she was speaking out on Ruanda and solving the problems in Ireland or so she claims while she rewrites history -too bad she wasn’t speaking out about the Haitian refugees who were returned to be slaughtered- but alas necessity dictated that Cubans were a priority with the Florida vote in question.

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if democracy is so absurd, why do you care?

I don’t think you are following my train of thought. I’m a student of history. I recall that once upon a time there was an Enlightenment. And the greatest document to come out of this remarkable period in history was the U.S. Constitution. It truly is one of mankind’s greatest accomplishments. Today, in all that we see and do, the vision of the Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights is being eroded. With hardly a peep about this from any candidate for the highest office in this land. With the exception of Chris Dodd and Ron Paul, almost no other high-profile candidate has bothered to speak of the needless erosion of our civil liberties and the Constitution’s cleverly constructed system of checks and balances. So, I can be completely cynical about the so-called “election” that is going on now, while being completely sincere and passionate about saving our nation from what is increasing looking to be its fate as a ruined empire.

H.L, Mencken really says it better than me:

“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”

We’re good on this side of the bay – freezing cold and raining but the winds haven’t become fierce like that front that moved through last Thursday. Good news is all this precious water for the region. Forecast is warm, sunny & drying out Wednesday.

they have in the Gaza strip

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Okay, Ray, let’s take it to it’s ‘logical’ conclusion, what if nobody voted…? Hmmm… Pause and reflect…

We’d just have to go back to stuffing the ballot box.

what if nobody voted…?

The election would get thrown to the House of Representatives. :)

Hmmm, but no one voted for them, either. Hmmm….. In that case, I think the state legislatures in each state would come up with ways of breaking the 0 – 0 tie, probably voting on party lines.

I’m an election nerd. :)

on this side, the ground is totally saturated. trees still going down and taking out power/phone lines. we got more rain in the first few days of 08 than we got in the last 3 months of 07.

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too bad she wasn’t speaking out about the Haitian refugees who were returned to be slaughtered-

Perhaps we should not be too hard on Hillary in this matter. After all, I do not recall any other candidate having the courage to challenge the coup d’etat the Bush Crime Family perpetrated against Aristide’s government.

point well made I had hopes for Obama as constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago but he has not provided the voice that he could- Dave Axelrod probably has him on message-if he gets through the primary lets see

Dugg your post, Eureka!

In that case, I think the state legislatures in each state would come up with ways of breaking the 0 – 0 tie,

True, it would… However, I think it would be 1-1 ties, at least the Candidates would vote for themselves… ;-)

I am not sure about that. Rumeal Robimson is the definitive voice on Haiti and he is an Obama supporter

However, I think it would be 1-1 ties

Unless Diebold is involved. Then it’s a 2 – 0 sweep! Problem solved. :)

If they do a tour, I’m going to figure out how to hide in the bookstore and egg them.

Gonna join mrbrat & watch Jon Stewart. Sweet dreams mighty firepups!

707!

Typo -Robinson

Aloha, NPB!

g’nite npb

Thanks. The toobz are giving a bit of trouble this evening.

I’m not on board the Obama Zephyr just yet, but this writer at Salon sure is:

Obama’s double magic

By allowing voters to both vent their anger and overcome it, while embodying the transcendence of America’s racial wound, Barack Obama offers not just hope, but alchemy.

By Gary Kamiya

Jan. 8, 2008 | Barack Obama’s stunning victory in Iowa was a moment of national alchemy. It represented an outpouring of righteous Democratic anger, and its simultaneous transformation into hope. That double process — the cathartic expression of rage, and its purification — is exactly what Democrats have needed after seven nightmarish years of Bush. It is politics both as payback, and as spiritual transcendence. And the fact that it is a black man who is serving as America’s philosopher’s stone, turning the base metal of bitterness into the gold of forgiveness, is extraordinarily moving. The possibility that our nation’s deepest wound, and the source of our political divisions, could also be the agent of our redemption is like a banner appearing in a darkened sky.

wigwam thanks for the tip to go to greenwald’s…he has the national poll numbers for recent days Edwards is gaing on Obama every day. With all the trash talk on him it is great news:

In the last four days he has gained 6 percentage points without coverage that is incredible???

I’ll probably go to an Obama party tomorrow night to watch the returns–I won’t know most of the people which is part of the fun. I want to hear what they have to say–see who they are.

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Dave Axelrod probably has him on message-

Obama is an amazingly clever politician. I first became aware of him in July, 2004 when the Chairman of our county Democratic Party told me the day after Obama’s keynote speech at the convention that he would be President one day. Having not hear the speech or read the transcript by then, and in fact never having heard the name before I brushed off the suggestion.

But I did then read the transcript and was mightily impressed by the way it was put together. It was completely and utterly an appeal to emotion that impressed me further by its utter lack of specificity or policy commitment.

The genius of Obama is that he understands human nature and psychological manipulation to a degree that is rare among American politicians. What he has continuously done is to offer grand generalizations and a blank canvas that individual voters can paint in any fashion that suits their own fancy. Obama understand instinctively that being everything to everybody is a winning political strategy. I do not fault him for this. I understand retail politics well enough to know that my own favored brand of hard-ass analysis, technocratic ruthlessness and unwillingness to lie are anathema to the game.

To quote Mencken again he suggests that “the men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” I feel that Obama, as a man of honor, isn’t really lying to the public, nor is he telling the truth. He’s found a middle ground of fantasy where everyone can plug Obama into being the hero of their own personal salvation story on how we’re going to exit the Hell of the Bush Years. It’s a wonderful ruse. I hope it works. And I also hope that my worst fears about Obama having become corrupted by the process don’t come to pass. I could be a fool about that one.

Reading Glenn’s column every day is time very well spent. He’s that good. He also has an additional blog.

Unclaimed Territory: Glenn Greenwald’s blog

I like Paul Krugman’s blog too.

Pretty words. Completely ignoring the end result, however – catharsis isn’t the mission of the Executive branch.

The Democratic Party should have represented that half of the country that was appalled by Bushism. But the Democrats abjectly failed. Cowed by patriotic fervor and Beltway thinking, the Democrats fell in line behind Bush and his demented war. Only when it was clear to all but the most benighted neoconservative ideologues that Iraq was an unmitigated disaster did mainstream Democrats like Clinton and Edwards speak out.

snip

But after Bush, the appeal of throwing the dice is irresistible. If Obama wins in November, a political miracle will have happened: We will have gone from following an authoritarian fool into an insane war to electing a progressive black president, without missing a beat. Can it happen? Who knows? But if America can go down that far into the dark side, perhaps we can emerge just as quickly into the light. And after eight years without it, I don’t want to be the one to bet against hope.

But as much momentum as Obama has, I wish it were enough.
And I like Kamiya sometimes.
Thanks punaise. I missed this.

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Rumeal Robimson is the definitive voice on Haiti and he is an Obama supporter

OK, but I haven’t seen Haiti addressed in any Obama literature, website or speeches. I have no idea what Obama has said about Haiti. Have you seen anything?

I think you forgot the “http://” to Glenn’s old haunts, Ray.

I first became aware of him in July, 2004 when the Chairman of our county Democratic Party told me the day after Obama’s keynote speech at the convention that he would be President one day.

I personally remember mentioning to my wife, while watching his speech, that he’d go far… ;-)

ray, would you like me to fix that link for you?

Well said Ray. He knows plenty of the hard assed analysis, but he’s riding a huge wave now, and he and his handlers have a very precient sense of timing.

I’m amused by the reflex of people from both political parties that write these “where’s the beef” articles or “he’s exponential fluff” articles. This “he should be vetted” is funny. What have they been doing so far with themselves. I have an answer to that too.

I wonder what the hell they’re smoking. They are in for a very rude awakening.

Scrutiny will turn up as he becomes more apparent to be the nominee if he does, but he’ll stand up well to it, I predict.

Dang, I forgot to mention that I groaned when Kerry ‘Reported for Duty’… 8-(

Suzanne,

ray, would you like me to fix that link for you?

There’s some confusion here. Look at the author of #80. Tisn’t me. :)

Scrutiny will turn up as he becomes more apparent to be the nominee if he does, but he’ll stand up well to it, I predict.

He may stand up to it, and may even become the nominee.
And he will get smoked like a Cohiba in the General debates by St. McCain, I predict.
Obama is an abysmal debater.

oh crap, you are right, ray,

pete, your link is forked up – would you like me to fix it for you?

There’s some confusion here. Look at the author of #80. Tisn’t me. :)

That was my bad, Ray.

Your aim’s slipping, Ma Cheri! *g*

yeap, tired. gonna bail pretty soon.

anybody buy this?:

Road to the White House
CNN TOTAL DELEGATE ESTIMATE

Total Delegates include the results from Iowa and CNN estimates for other states. Democratic delegate total includes pledged delegates and superdelegates. Republican delegate total includes pledged delegates and unpledged RNC member delegates.

DEMOCRATS
56% Clinton
22%Obama
16% Edwards
6% Richardson

REPUBLICANS
44% Romney
34% Huckabee
10% Thompson
5% McCain
3% Paul
2% Giuliani

Obama is an abysmal debater.

True, but, up against any of the Repugs he’ll shine…! ;-)

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What have they been doing so far with themselves. I have an answer to that too.

ROTFL! Good one!

****
David Sirota has an excellent article out about how the Village crybabies are wetting their pampers over the transformation of the American political landscape.

Here’s a snippet:

“A pretty reliable gauge of Establishment fear is how far away from factual reality its chief spokesmen stray at election time. With economic populism now driving both the Democratic and Republican presidential contests, professional political pontificators in Washington are attacking candidates for being crazed and angry – when in fact their own rhetoric shows it is the pundits who are the angriest of all. An uprising is on – one against the hostile takeover of our government by Big Money interests. And inside the walls of the Washington palace, the elite are freaking out.

Not one Iota, Pun, not one…

ok, time for me to head out. but i am not leaving ya unmoderated – TLM is here.

The author of #81–that’d be me. I pasted the link correctly. I know how urls work, and sometimes ole FDL screws the pooch.

The link was

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

aka

Glenn’s Blog

I have never understood what the http:// is doing sitting in that box, since inevitably if you’re pasting from an address bar or a right click of a link, you already have an http:// ready to rock and roll.

Anyway…

Missouri should have played in the title game, not the Ohio Fake Buckeyes.

Bonne Nuit, Ma Cheri! We’re in deft hands with TLM… *g*

He never impressed me much in any of the debates. He just didn’t, I can’t explain it just gut reaction.

the wordpress software adds it in as a courtesy – since i am cut and pasting instead of manually typing the url, the courtesy is a hassle that i have to remember to delete.

additionally, a reminder that clicking on a link in the preview mode does not translate into a working link but submitting the comment will translate it correctly.

You and me, and probably a million others!

punaise,

Welcome to the hellish world of Superdelegates.

Katrina VandenHeuvel nails this repulsively anti-democratic effort at electoral fraud by the Establishment Democrats.

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I have never understood what the http:// is doing sitting in that box,

We would call it a bug. The developer would call it a feature.

Bush found a buddy in Rahm

CHICAGO — What happens when President Bush and Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the fast-talking, hard-charging leader of the House Democratic Caucus, take a field trip to the Windy City?

Somebody goes off message.

The president and Mr. Emanuel, once a top political adviser to President Bill Clinton, spent the day together Monday in Mr. Emanuel’s district here.

The congressman, looking tanned from a recent family vacation in Brazil (very recent; he got off the plane at 5:30 a.m.), was the subject of more than one presidential accolade.

“You know, there’s a lot of partisanship in our nation’s capital — I bet, both of us would say, too much,” Mr. Bush told a group of business leaders, referring to his Democratic traveling companion. “But I appreciate the fact that when the president of the United States came to his district, he showed up. It shows a lot about the man.”

Charisma doesn’t translate often, within a debate… Nor, smarts necessarily, but, any of the Dems would demolish the Repugs on either playing field…

He will be the nominee. But I have to respectfully wonder what you’re smoking. Obama would cream McCain in a debate, but McCain will be long gone after Michigan.

What debates have you seen? Suyrely, surely you haven’t been mezmerized by the Barbie and Ken Dolls and taoking heads on MSNBC, etc. into thinking you’ve seen any debates yet with Obama in them?

You aren’t talking about that shit where they line up and are told by cretins that they have 30 seconds to hit the mike with their soundbyte have you?

Did you debate in school?

Even with ABC’s much improved format, they never do what the League of Women Voters used to advocate. It’s disallowed because we have a bell shaped curve of idiots.

A debate is where one candidate goes at it with another candidate without interference with airbrains like Russert, Gibson, and the other gaggle of people who are put on asking questions unlike the local news people who are more on point. And I’m dissing them particularly in the context of their roles in the fake debates that have been staged.

A debate that will show Obam’a’s skills will be the ones that are in the general. McCain won’t be there; country club–I couldn’t connect with people as well as a puppy dog could Romney will be there, and I can’t friggin wait for that.

I don’t want to be snarky, but I will remind you of that after Michigan.

Good Suz sleep well!

establishment thumb on scale

Heh, maybe that’s why I voted for Nader instead…! 8-)

New Zogby poll:
Obama widens lead over Clinton, Edwards in 3rd, down 1%.

It looks like the race is now Obama’s to lose. If he manages to look somewhat presidential, and avoids any major screw-ups, it looks like he cruises.

Bob in HI

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Bush found a buddy in Rahm

The repulsiveness of this concept is overwhelming.

g’night Suz

Superdelegates are a check to the kind of press capitulation we see in abest case scenario.

A lot of superdelegates remember the Clintons, and will want to see them return with a Democratic majority in Congress.

The GOP would want the Clintons there too. They need them to maintain the narrative. Someone will get blamed for the subprime collapse that the media has short term amnesia in reporting…

Brokered convention, Hillary would be as smart to cede votes for the Majority Leader’s role and stay in Senate. She can recraft the rules in the next Congress and be in the driver’s seat.

She’ll be the swing vote between Edwards and Obama.

g’nite nahant, pun, and all the firepups still awake

correctemente next to edwards that ws not his forte…however he is a great speechmaker in the motivational sense:
As Ray points out here;

The genius of Obama is that he understands human nature and psychological manipulation to a degree that is rare among American politicians. What he has continuously done is to offer grand generalizations and a blank canvas that individual voters can paint in any fashion that suits their own fancy. Obama understand instinctively that being everything to everybody is a winning political strategy. I do not fault him for this. I understand retail politics well enough to know that my own favored brand of hard-ass analysis, technocratic ruthlessness and unwillingness to lie are anathema to the game.

Don’t want to be a broken record nahant but those shitstorms were not debates in any sense of the word.

They don’t set the format up for debates. They’re the idiot American TV networks. You have never seen Obama in a real debate and won’t until the general.

This raise your hands bullshit is right out of some Ken and Barbies and some producer’s day care–for themselves. It’s moronic. But they also are the same people who would be glued to the set to watch Britney boot out that moron Dr. Phil from her hospital bed. I’d like to take Britney’s lawsuit against Dr. Phil and the hospital for letting him in there. How dumb have the Cedars Sinai administrator’s become?

Yeah, Social Security in crisis is soooo general a proposition.

msnbc

‘A superhuman rocket ship’?
Joe Trippi, who piloted Howard Dean’s candidacy four years ago and now serves as a strategist for Edwards, has the experience of seeing one candidate, Dean, implode.

Some in the Clinton camp think sooner or later Obama, too, will implode.

If so, Edwards would be there to benefit.

“I grant you, one scenario is that this guy (Obama) is a superhuman rocket ship that is never going to come down,” Trippi said as Edwards spoke to a rally in Hampton on Monday night. “The other scenario is that every time you have had one of these rockets go off, every time it becomes clear this guy is about to be the nominee, everybody steps back and reassesses it.”

Interesting idea. Has as much chance of seeing daylight as an icecube in hell. Polls in the 23 Super Tue states are going for Obama fast. Check ‘em out.

Omigod, I’m being quoted by big brother? Oh-oh, time for me to duck and cover.

Winston Smith

You should have been around in the beginning, everything had manuall entered, the browser wasn’t smart enough to fill in the http:// for you. You always had type in in…. those were the days!

Zogby and USA Today aren’t valid pllsters. Both have proven a slant to the right and over-represent GOP voters.

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They’re the idiot American TV networks.

Respectfully I disagree. The American public are idiots for not rising up and demanding that the blatant and self-dealing manipulators in network management tar and feather themselves for their heinous and criminal efforts to turn American democracy into the world’s laughingstock.

Pete, I rather did like the Youtube Dem Debate, it was the most pertinent of this cycle’s crop…

Thanks for the clarity on the purpose of impeachment and what it brings to the democratic process. Many ears need to hear that. In your post on the prvious thread.

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You should have been around in the beginning,

I was around in the days when Mosaic was the browser of choice. Circa 1995. One thing I really appreciated about those days was that there was a real sense that the Internet was kind of a cozy club of like-minded and high-minded individuals. Yahoo was still based in a dorm room at Stanford and everyone knew it as “Yet Another Hierarchically Officious Oracle”. I considered myself to be dreadfully late to the party back then. I guess about a billion people were a bit tardier than me however…

True Pete but there is just something about Obama that strikes me wrong, I seen many debates over the years and the League of women voters were by far the venues for debates. I don’t remember why they stopped sponsoring them but it is a shame.
Have you been enjoying the Xerox links from last evening?

Right fucking on! Investigate. Interrogate. Impeach. Indict. Prosecute. Incarcerate. Celebrate. Bring those assholes to justice.

The Impeachment process has the most citations within the Constitution… I wonder why…? ;-)

I got a new propane torch at Fred Meyer on Sunday. I use one to help start fires in the woodstove in my shop. I started it up to heat up some kindling and the fucking thing blew up in my hands!

Fortunately, there were some leather welding gloves near enough, so I could scoop it up off the floor and throw it out the front door to the shop.

Mag-Torch self-lighting propane torch. Made in Taiwan.

What happened Extraordinary Rendition to the Hague for war crime trials?

Some in the Clinton camp think sooner or later Obama, too, will implode.

Absolutely. That’d be the one Bill wants to fire today. Patti Doyle, and Mark Penn.

I’ve been amused since I realized it earlier yesterday that Le Hillary Ms. Inevitability too fucking good to take questions from the crowds who braved snow to see her for months, finally took questions much too late from her position knocked on her butt from which she’s not getting up.

I’ve noticed that people who think they are in inevitable power often do that in life, until it’s much too fucking late. And it is for her.

In Russia it would be: “Right fucking on! Investigate. Interrogate, Intoxicate!”

Na Zdravie

Obama is not against continuing occupation in Iraq.

That means all of his change happy young supporters will be ready to answer the need for a draft!

Someone tells you change, ask them what kind of change. Bush said he’d bring about change in 2000, boy did he ever.

Bush didn’t like Social Security either, perhaps he and Barack have ears tuned to the same song…

Not taking canned questions from a vetted crowd would of course be proof of inauthentic ambitions.

It sure was! Before that I had an account at Stanford I don’t remember the system but is was a time for learning. I was also on the early Xerox networks and they really worked quite well. I was able to get a connection down to Brazil on dial up from home in a mere few seconds. And file transfer was a breeze.

Bush didn’t like Social Security either, perhaps he and Barack have ears tuned to the same song…

no wonder Colin Powell gets fuzzy wuzzy over Obama.

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Someone tells you change, ask them what kind of change.

Change is inevitable, except from a vending politician.

They stopped sponsering them because MSM wouldn’t allow the candidates to engage in real debate and discussions in fact. They knew MSM was promoting this phony sound byte stuff right out of the same age level of the class where panic striken Bush read “The Little Goat” for 7 minutes after hearing that people were burning to death in WTC.

I’m very appreciative of the links, but it’s going to be a few days before I can read them. I pasted them into an email to myself. Thanks again.

Heh, I’m not an avid Obama fan… I shall bid ya’ll adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

What exact change has Obama stated?

Social Security being changed-Bush policy.

What new programs are specifically Barack’s?
He’s channeled right wing talking points.

I hate to put it so crudely, but to me Obama is a very smart pimp-slick smooth-talker. But I have no clue where his heart is really at. I have no indication that he knows what peril our constitution is in and/or what to do about it if and when he ever figures it out. The guy is an enigma within an enigma within a riddle within a puzzle. He makes me very nervous.

He will be the nominee.

Whatever format, when your guy tries to think on his feet, what comes out are bits, phrases that he attempts to stitch into a cohesive thought, mostly losing the question altogether. Your guy can’t sew for beans.
McCain is going to run circles around him because when the general comes, it will be all about the terra, and the taxes, and the “illegals”, and John knows the terra and the taxes and the “illegals” pretty damned well.

Pete – if your guy loses, this strut is going to look awfully silly. It’s unseemly. Just saying.

Drop me a line at bill@3hunters.com and will dig some more for later.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Lord Acton (1834-1902) …… The consitution is supposed to be our ultimate law. …
Will to Power (German: “Der Wille zur Macht”) is a prominent concept in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, and the phrase was also used as the title … T
John Edwards understands the danger of corporate fascism. Yhe others are bending over for it while the non rich are taking it in the ass for them. We are up to here with the elite in corporations and the deals they make with the parties elite. Where are you on this?

I was going to move directly to “impale.” Love that alliteration.

Obama is in fact very much against it. I believe that only a draft is going to have impact on stopping the occupation in Iraq, and fast, and all these voluntary draft promoters including dems are chickenhawks who like Tweety Mathews and Russert say every day, not my fucking kid out of their comfortable dorm room. No way.

You wouldn’t see Mary Matlin’s girls anywhere near a war if they were 10 years older.

Only if it were slowly done!

Comment by whoframedrudy | 2008-01-02 21:42:50
“Clinton’s showdown with Eric Edelman(mine) is a good example of what you’re talking about.
While Obama was making speeches to court the anti-war left, Clinton had her eye on Cheney and the Pentagon. She found out contingency planning for safe troop withdrawal was being blocked — to limit the redeployment options of the next President. We know what happened next — she called Edelman on it, and put pressure on Gates. Hillary had sources in the Pentagon that alerted her to Edelman’s game, bucking Cheney in the process. A perfect example of the difference between saying ‘bring the troops home’ and making it happen.
Nixon said that, even in 1960 after 8 years as VP, he didn’t yet have the skills to make his China opening. It took him another 8 years traveling the world to get to that level.”

“Clinton’s showdown with Eric Edelman(mine) is a good example of what you’re talking about.”

Is this one of the persons Edmonds has named?
Comment is from an Obama/Iraq thread:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2…..#more-1232

Why yes, yes it is.

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-01-06 20:09:41
“Larisa Alexandrovna also names the photos listed:
‘Sibel Speaks Part II: Naming Names…
I have decided that after years of not getting anyone to publish what I have found out about the Edmonds case, I am simply going to give you folks some names. I won’t explain what the allegations are, or how these people might fit together or even if they fit together. I also don’t claim to have all the names or know the full story by any means. But I am certain, that brilliant bloggers, researchers, and journalists will finally figure it out:
Richard Perle
Doug Feith
Eric Edelman
Marc Grossman
Larry Franklin
Dennis Hastert
Roy Blunt
Dan Burton
Tom Lantos
Bob Livingston
Stephen Solarz
Graham Fuller
David Makovsky
Alan Markovsky
Enver Yusuf
Sabri Sayari
Mehmet Eymur’
http://www.atlargely.com/
She also names companies associated with those persons…”

Having graduated Harvard law school, taught Con Law at U Chicago, he knows exactly what pricks like Addington, Cheney, the last two and the current Attorneys general, OLC, DOJ, FBI assholes like Mueller have done to the Constitution–a historical relic and so do I.

I hope you’re aware that pricks like Pelosi, Hoyer, Reid, all of SJC except Kennedy and Feingold are doing the same thing.

Hillary Clinton has publicly stated a roadblock to any withdrawal in Iraq is Edelman. He is also a person who Sibel Edmonds says has ties to those stonewalling translations after 9-11, and to people who appear to have actually trained those attackers or given them free pass to try and get closer to the resource assets those terror interests are closest identified with…

Obama did not teeach Con Law, he was a guest lecture.

I’m told there’s a distinction.

… he knows exactly what pricks like Addington, Cheney, the last two and the current Attorneys general, OLC, DOJ, FBI assholes like Mueller have done to the Constitution–a historical relic and so do I.

Damn, I wish he’d say so in that case!!

Everyone have a good one. Would love to keep on with Sibel but gotta go. This time tomorrow night Hillary will have been enbalmed but she will still think she’s viable.

I do too, and he will, but retail caampaigning is that when you have the momentum and wave he’s riding now, wigwam you stay with campaign poetry and you have plenty of time to bash overmatched Romney with prose later.

The people like Gillespie and Rove have to be realling gobbling the H2 inhibitors, about now because they know Romney will be in so far over his head it’s going to be ugly.

Re:

Obama is a very smart pimp-slick smooth-talker. But I have no clue where his heart is really at.

Here’s a couple of clues that might assuage your anxiety. Barack Obama graduated from the Harvard Law School with a specialty in Constitutonal law. He was regarded by peers and professor alike as perhaps the smartest student in his peer group. Point One: Obama knows more about the Constitution than 99.999% of the population. In my book that is one hell of a plus.

After graduating, Obama could have easily transitioned into a Wall Street or corporate law existence and become a $500 K man. Or he could have possibly followed in the steps of a tort attorney named John Edwards and been a million-dollar man. What did Obama decide to do? I’m a bit sketchy on this but it seems that before he entered politics he was a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago working for the sort of wages that indicate an extremely high degree of concern about community and minimal degree of concern about greed. In my book that is one hell of a plus.

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Caveat: What you’ve just read is my projection of who Barack Obama is based upon my utterly superficial investigation into his C.V. From what I’ve written above, I think Obama is both an exceptionally well-qualified and a deeply caring man.

What worries me about Obama is that I cannot tell what sort of a deal with the devil has been made down at the crossroads of community activism and Chicago’s machine style politics. Apparently there is a link between Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama. I find this deeply distressing because I find Rahm Emanual to be one of the most heinous examples of anti-progressivism in the Democratic Party. I find the man reprehensible. Emanuel has not expressed an endorsement as a superdelegate yet. So, the jury is still out for me on what this marriage of convenience will mean in terms of corrupting Obama.

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For those interested in a well-considered analysis of Obama from the Left you might try this link.

Re:

Where are you on this?

Concerned.