The financial crisis currently unfolding slow-motion before our eyes was inevitable and predictable. I say this because it was predicted by numbers of people. It was obvious, anyone with sense (which apparently includes very few people) knew it was coming and despite the fact that we've known for years it was going to happen, it happened anyway.
And the same was true of the dot-com bubble. It was obvious, at least as far back as 96/97. Everyone who wasn't paid not to know it, knew it, and it happened anyway and burst anyway. Now part of that is a question of deliberate government policy--both bubbles were fostered and grown from tiny soap-suds with the aid of Alan Greenspan's Fed and various other government and private and semi-private actors (like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.)
But creating the bubble took the cooperation and encouragement of a lot of people beyond the government, people who benefitted a great deal from it. Let's take Chuck Prince, the ex-CEO of Citigroup. Chuckie walked away from his near-destruction of Citigroup with about 41.5 million, including a 12 million dollar bonus for his performance. Drive the place into the ground, get paid well. Then there's Merrill Lynch's Stan O'Neal who walked away with 160 million.
Nice work if you can get it.
But if the rot was limited to the top, it wouldn't be nearly as big a problem.
Mortgage brokers were paid to sell what everyone knew were mortgages that probably couldn't be repaid. Why? Because the banks knew that they were going to slice-and-dice the mortgages into Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) and sell them to suckers investors. When the loans went bad they wouldn't be on the bank's books. It didn't (and isn't) quite working out like that, for the banks, but in a more real sense it is.
Because the mortgage brokers still got their commissions. The real-estate agents got their commissions. In many cases they made enough money to live on for the rest of their lives. The executives in the banks and in the Wall Street firms like Morgan Stanley, who created these CDOs also got rich. They made millions. If they were smart and saved some of it, they will never ever have to work again.
The system did what it was supposed to do. It made the people who run the system stinking filthy rich. If you're reading this, odds are you expect to work to 65 or so and pray that when you retire you'll have enough money to support yourself in a style that doesn't require you to eat cat food. You'll work forty or forty-five years to get that retirement.
What would you do, or rather, what wouldn't you do, if you knew that by working hard for five years you'd have enough money that you need never, ever, work again for the rest of your life? Not just that, but for most executives, you would be rich. Want a house on the Riviera? Want to spend the rest of you life travelling? Have a hobby? Whatever it is, you'll be able to indulge it, because you'll be rich and money is freedom.
So even if, in the end, Merrill Lynch was going to be stuck with a bunch of bad debt, or Citigroup was going to have problems, why should you give a damn? Making record profits for a few years allows you pay yourself, or to be awarded commissions and bonuses, that add up to more money than a normal person earns in 45 years.
From the perspective of self-interest you'd have to be a fool not to do it. And for most people, even some CEOs, even if you don't like it you'd still be a fool not to do it, because if you opt out, someone else will just take your place, run the scams and reap the windfall of ill-gotten gains.
What is good for the economy, the country and for the long term health of your company is not what's good for you. That's a recipe for disaster for everyone, possibly even for you, if you aren't real smart. (Money is only worth what the country behind it is worth, after all. Trash your country, or your world, and you trash your own wealth.)
As a result of this incentive system, if it is possible to have another financial bubble after this one crashes out, there will be one. Guaranteed. There is no way to avoid it unless the economic circumstances are so bad it can't get off the ground (which is possible, if the monetary base starts collapsing.)
The answer is fairly simple, mind you. These sorts of bubbles didn't happen in the post war period. They didn't happen because you couldn't pay enough people enough to make it worth their while. After a certain amount of income, in most western countries, you got taxed at a marginal rate of over 90%. A few CEOs might be able to make it, but most of the executive suite was going to need more than 5 years--they were going to need a career.
At this point to wring the excesses out of the system and to stop the systemic incentives to keep blowing bubbles is going to require doing something to make it so it doesn't pay. There are two parts to any solution. The first and simplest way is to put a very progressive tax on all income no matter how or where earned that probably comes in at over 95% of all income over, say, $500,000 or a million at the most. Suddenly, needing to actually keep the companies sound, and knowing that in 7 years when the loans go bad, they'll still be there taking the heat for it, will tend to concentrate the mind not on "can I make enough money to be in a yacht in 3 years" but into "does this deal make sense over the longrun".
The second thing to do is to stop allowing people to sell risk. For years Greenspan argued that risk markets (the ability to take on, say, default risk in credit or for that matter to sell loans in CDOs) made the system stronger and actually reduced systemic risk by spreading risk around. What it did instead is take the risk away from the people who were able to manage it because they were close enough to the ground to know whether a loan was risky and give it to people who really had no clue and had to rely on bond rating agencies to tell them if the risk was acceptable. Without a loan officer in the actual district, without actual inspections of houses and businesses and without the loan officers knowing that 10 years from now if the loan goes bad some manager is going to call them into the room and ask them to justify the decisions they made, the people taking on the loans had no ability to know if they could, or would, be repaid. And the banks, since they throught they were selling the risk, mostly didn't bother with old style vetting and indeed banks like Citigroup have gutted the departments which used to do that sort of work.
And the bond agencies got paid by the people they issued ratings to. I'm sure you understand what that means for their objectivity. Nor could they, even if they had made an honest effort, duplicate the sort of vetting and checking which banks used to do routinely. They simply don't check every mortgage and can't.
So the rule going forward has to be that if you make the loan you keep the risk on your books. You cannot load it off on other people. There are mathematical reasons why in theory it ought to reduce systemic risk to do so, but in the real world they generally don't actually occur because of the problem of incentives--the people with the necessary information to manage the risk have no incentive to do so; the people who wind up with the debt do not have the ability to manage the risk; and the third parties like bond agencies have neither the incentives nor the ability to manage the risk either.
Such a world will be a world with a much smaller less flamboyant financial sector with much lower returns. But the idea that the financial sector could somehow make far greater returns than GDP growth and do it for decades was always insane and simply could not work. The only way to do it, the only way it has in fact been done, was to cheat and to ignore system risk, use massive leverage, print money and shove it into asset bubbles and so on.
The end result has been two financial bubbles and thirty years in which the average American hasn't had a raise and has taken on debt. A lot of people have gotten rich, mind you, and for them these last thirty years have been great, which is why there's a bipartisan consensus amongst the people who matter in both parties to keep what has been, for them, the best of all possible times, going.
Given a choice, they will keep it going. And there'll be a lot more rich in America, but odds that you'll be one of them are near zero. And when it all comes crashing down, somehow ordinary Americans, despite having never been invited to the party, will be stuck with cleanup duty and the bill.
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Zed, if so 2 times since new years. whee.
Ian!
time travel… is it Sunday already?
More importantly, welcome to the Lake. Many people are downstairs, but will be around shortly.
ZED! (Sort of.)
Republicans: The party of War
Democrats: The party of Peace
That what I get from having only watched the Dems yesterday and the Rs
The party of war will ignore our country’s needs:
Healthcare, infrasructure; water, wastewater, flood control, food, shelter, clothing, education and jobs. These together are multi trillion dollar needs that can fire our economy out of recession, provide jobs and the spending power to reignite the economy and pay of the massive debt and shore up the dollar.
Starting with the Dutch tulip bubble, it seems like there have always been people claiming that “This time it’s different; this isn’t really a bubble”.
Is there a such thing as a “sort of Zed”? A quasi-Zed, if you will? I prolly mised out on claimin’ a few of those just ’cause I was ignernt about it.
I sez there is.
Oh Goddess, I think they are going to attack Iran:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....137521.ece
What will happen to the economy then???
These platinum parachutes blow us away. Soon a big nasty recession may hit, and that’ll take our minds off it. So that’s the silver lining. Right?
We have become a “service” society. Trouble is “services” don’t produce much. Not in the sense that science, engineering and manufacturing does. Some of my pals advise me we have become a ‘rental AND services culture’.
Always remember that the London Times is a Murdoch rag. Proceed with caution.
There was a time when loan sharking was deemed criminal. What a quaint notion that was.
Take a look at the roll-over trade-in loans in the auto finance industry for a good example of credit sharkism. And of course this has a very pronounced ripple effect on our sick economy. There is $500,000,000,000 in car loans processed every year in this country.
12 million dollar bonus for f*cking up. Nice work indeed. And the pearl-clutchers are shocked, SHOCKED, at how Huckster’s populist message is resonating with the proles. I will be interested to see the outcome of the Plutocrat Party’s conclave in Oklahoma.
I could almost tolerate a Huckster presidency if I knew for sure he was going to bend these robbers over.
Oil hits a $100 per barrel and we are spending $15,000,000,000 per month on war.
This would be a perfect opportunity for a presidential candidate to show some leadership, wouldn’t it?
I don’t worry. I have CAFTA, the WTO, NAFTA and the DLC looking out for me.
Leadership? Which of the presidential candidates (and why) is best suited to steer us away from the possible economic morass ahead?
We could go back to the gold standard. What? You don’t like that idea?
I’ve got a group trying (still) to sell me a neg am loan with increasing payments and a balloon in seven years. They have done a “preliminary” appraisal claiming my place is worth hundreds of thousands more than it is worth, and claiming I have a quarter acre more property than I have.
My problem, they claim, is my lack of liquidity. The solution, and I shit you not, is a life insurance program whereby I put in $24K per year. At the end of the first year, it’s worth 16K, but if I need the money (the liquidity) the cash surrender value is $1,938 at the end of the first year. Year two? I will have put in $48,000, and the value is $33,593, and the surrender value is $12,701. And so on. The great new is, however, that I can be a millionaire when I’m 91!!!
I would add in the junk bond scandal and the S&L scandal. There are major financial scams about once every 7 years. There will continue to be such scandals as long as there are greater fools to found and government regulation of markets remains weak and largely after the fact.
Ian,
I like where you are trying to end up, but
is not reasonable. A progressive income tax system is just, however it cannot be draconian. Our financial system should reward investors appropriately for risking their capital in a venture. Taking that away stifles innovation and fosters mediocrity. Taxation should be based on everyone contributing to the general fund and common good of our society. “From each according to their means.”
This would shut down the secondary and institutional bond markets, handcuff financial intstituions ability to manage risk and prevent corporations from raising adequate capital. Debt is a legitimate vehicle in any fiven capital structure and should be managed prudently, but there are companies whos appropriate debt level exceeds any handful of underwriting institutions to hold all of it on their books. They must syndicate pieces debt to others willing to assume that particular risk reward ratio. It is incumbent upon every investor to evaluate the risk factors.
The ratings agencies certainly fell down in the mortgage area. The financial markets are now assessing the risk in the corporate CLO market and essentially shut it down and readjusted pricing across the leveraged loan market. There is more pain to be felt when corporate default rates tick upward to the historical norm of around 3%. At present we have experienced the lowest default rates in history (.03%) partially driven by covenant lite and other irrational debt structures and an overly friendly poltical/monetary/fiscal environment.
Buckle up, its going to get bumpier.
Did you know WalMart has been secretly insuring some of its employees and then collecting upon their demise?
The same has been going on with teachers in Texas.
To me it’s simple. Stop the wars and raise taxes.
And we had Alan Greenspan, a devotee of Ayn Rand, running the Federal Reserve according to “Atlas Shrugged” principles. Greenspan, a person who admitted he, “Couldn’t imagine why in heaven’s name someone would run a business unethically,” I mean, how naive is that?
Memo to Alan Greenspan: Because that’s where the MONEY IS! Lots and lots and lots of money. If you don’t play by the rules, you can make even more lots and lots of money.
No wonder our economy is so screwed up under “President Decider Dude.”
Wow. Good argument for confiscatory taxes. Next time I hear that phase I will remind the speaker that confiscatory taxes should only be levied on conficatory income. As wonderful as Bill Gates might be, he didn’t create Microsoft alone, and I’m sure he would have worked just as hard for one 10th of what he got. As for Wall St., they create nothing, and there is nothing but incentives for them to take risks to make money (at least on paper) for their companies. Unfortunately there are no dissincentives to punish them for losing money for the companies. They never have to give back their bonuses when it turns out those deals that were so profitable last year have now gone sour. Not to mention the pillaging of corporate earnings by the officers and boards of directors, at the expense of the investors (i.e. your retirement funds, etc). Let’s outsource Wallstreet to Mumbai and Shanghai. I’m sure those Indians and Chinese could rip us off for a fraction of NYC prices.
OMG. We appear to be fresh out of bubbles. What does this mean?
Reinstalling the Glass-Steagall act would go quite aways to avoiding future meltdowns…
Good enough for me. I’m gonna start claimin’ them.
You get that this was a special zed context, right?
Didn’t know that. You have a link or source? Not that I don’t believe you. Just curious. I can believe anything about WalMart. it blows.
You might want to look at this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....137695.ece
No, as usual, i don’t get anything? Why a special context/ ’cause the post was long?
Brilliantly written.
Leadership? Which of the presidential candidates (and why) is best suited to steer us away from the possible economic morass ahead?
Steer us away? Dear, you’re soaking in it- Madge
Look at the time stamps on the first four comments.
I was reading a piece about a statement that Ron Paul had made regarding capitalisim and while I may not agree with his politics, the fact of his economic message does makes sense. Things in our country started going very badly after the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, but the reason may surprise many.
“Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven’t had capitalism. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank. It’s not capitalism when the system is plagued with incomprehensible rules regarding mergers, acquisitions, and stock sales, along with wage controls, price controls, protectionism, corporate subsidies, international management of trade, complex and punishing corporate taxes, privileged government contracts to the military-industrial complex, and a foreign policy controlled by corporate interests and overseas investments. Add to this centralized federal mismanagement of farming, education, medicine, insurance, banking and welfare. This is not capitalism!”
So, if we’re to believe Dr. Paul, it seems that ‘core’ to where we find ourselves economically speaking is unbridled credit creation [fiat currency] and fiat money’s chief advocate – Central Banking.
But doesn’t Central Banking and Capitalism go hand-in-hand? The answer is a resounding no!!
To wrap one’s mind around this fact, they need look no further than the words and thought of Edward Mandell House, chief advisor of President Woodrow Wilson from 1913 to 1921:
House was a Marxist whose goal was to socialize the Untied States. In 1912, House wrote the book “Philip Dru: Administrator” in which he stated that he was working for “Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx.” In this book, House laid out a plan for the conquest of America, telling how both the Democratic and Republican Parties would be controlled, and be used as instruments in the creation of a socialistic government. And he asked for the establishment of a state-controlled central bank, which were both proposed in “The Communist Manifesto”. And it was in 1913, during the very first year of the House-dominated Wilson Administration, that both of these proposals became law. The Federal Reserve Act was passed, which brought into power a private central bank to create the money of the United States, taking this power away from the united States Congress. And the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution, the graduated income tax as proposed by Karl Marx, was also ratified. You see folks, Central Banking is, and always has been, a key tenet of Communism — not Capitalism. This is reality.
Now I ask you all; is it really any wonder that in a world increasingly dominated and controlled by the tentacles of Central Banking [i.e. the Federal Reserve] – that American jobs have been systematically outsourced, currency, institutions and Constitution debased, all seemingly to the benefit of a Communist country – China? Makes you wonder what would have happened if the good guys had lost the Cold War, eh?
i think lots of companies insure their workers- to cover costs of training a replacement.
George Dubya’s Dean scream:
Then we’re going to Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Lebanon, and then Somalia and Iran and off to Pakistan….yeeeeeaaarrrrrghhh!
-G
Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan.
Senior state dep’t official? i say Armitage. No reason.
Shorter Ian: Prevent moral hazard.
you were six hours late.
Oh Great! Ron Paul!
No solution can occur so long as Republics have any power. Unfortunately, there is no one to articulate Republic culpability in a way that will reach the people.
When it all comes crashing down, we can all feel safer in the soup lines because Republics have kept gays from marrying.
Here is one of many stories about WalMart insuring their employees and receiving death benefits.
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....6837/posts
Know what? That got me t’thinkin’. I’m gonna go get me some soup an’ watch TV. catch yuz later.
Very true. They just gotta squeeze the last drop of blood out of that turnip. It’s called corporate responsibility, I think.
Conditreason Rice?
-G
Ian -
Quoting from your post (”When the loans went bad they wouldn’t be on the bank’s books.”), I’m wondering how losses on assets (subprime mortgages, etc.) that supposedly aren’t on a bank’s books are being recognized. Are those losses recognized by utilizing unconsolidated subsidiairies?
I hope the techies are paying attention to that it is clue to some of the issues the site has been having. Compooters don’t like thier time being screwed up… Could be indicative of and underlying time/clock of either the hardware?? or the underlying OS? Just my techie opinion. I always tried paying attention to such things when troubleshooting. Time waits for no one!!(stones)
Now we’re just wasting electrons, but do me a favor and tell me what time stamps you see for comment #s 4 and 5.
Ian’s post appeared yesterday by mistake, received four comments, and then disappeared until showing back up at the correct time today. Those four comments made yesterday showed back up with post today.
Don’t get me started on Greenspan. The same guy who verified that Lincoln Savings was perfectly solvent in a letter to the Feds in San Francisco after Charles Keating paid him for his consultancy. He knew damn well why someone would run a business unethically. He’d been a party to it, probably many times. During the same period that had the Feds cracking down, someone in Keating’s inner circle wrote a memo to the employees who were peddling their junk bonds inside the banks. The message was, “Your target market should be the weak, the meek and the ignorant.” They sold junk bonds to old folks who put their nest eggs into them and lost it all. Greenspan deserves a big thank you…in his prison cell.
OK, Ok. I get yer drift. “One of many, you ill-informed schmuck.”
How do ya do that grin thing? ? Is that it? I din’t wan’t kiddo to think I’m serious. I always let ya know when I’m serious. I’ll say “But seriously….” Otherwise, not.
But thanks for tne info and the link.
Soaking?
Ian Welsh- powerful piece. Thanks! Clearly we have to dig down soon and make sure we get a couple of victories in the Senate, because the only way Dems can have any impact on this mess is both a thoughtful President and a Congress that will be in support.
Actually I read your stuff and so does my lady. We were discussing one of your comments last night. ;0)
Well is the OS, Application or hardware?? Only a good techie knows!
I’m not advocating Ron Paul, but if you bother to go back in history, he has very good reasons in wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve. The sooner the better.
He won’t. His tax plan is a huge giveaway to the rich, unfortunately
It’s the gubmint!
Oops, forgot to mention, Greenspan was a holdover from the George H. W. Bush administration, I believe. Therefore, he presided over the Fed. Reserve Board during the entire Clinton Administration also. Don’t know how that gets explained.
Please. We practiced liassez faire capitalism the first 120 year the country was in business. While on the gold standard. How’d that work?
In this house we have always voted the straight Demo ticket. And plan to do the same in the elections next November. What changes can we expect on the economic front should a Democrat be moving into the WH next January?
I prefer Edwards for economic reasons.
I got electrons commin’ out my ass, man. I got electrons t’burn.
4:03p
12:10p
Ok, so you were earliest.
You get da zed.
And the only tech issue I care about is getting the spell check workin’. Did they ever do that?
I’m not as willing to let the borrowers off the hook as you are. The housing bubble was driven largely by people taking out loans they couldn’t afford to by real estate, which they would “flip” for a profit before they had to pay the piper. As more and more people flocked in for the free lunch, it became increasingly clear that the folks at the bottom of the pyramid would be left holding the bag. Everyone kept coming in, though, assuming that it was the next round of suckers that would get burned. It’s hard for me to be sympathetic to these people.
nahant & PhysioProf:
IIRC, this post showed up very briefly yesterday and some folks commented before it vanished. Those timestamps must be left-overs.
We are supporters of Edwards in this house.
Aw shit the freeking rain is coming back! Boy when the rain window opens up here in NorCal it really opens up! Just the roof drains cleaned out and it starts again. It took a couple of hours for the roof to drain yesterday between storms. Oh well I still wouldn’t live anywhere else in the lower 48
Because agents of Chinese Communism have controlled it since 1913? Even though Communists didn’t take power in China until the late 1940’s. And if they were working to “socialize” the USA, they doing a pretty crappy job of it, don’t you think?
Good.
But I had never heard that about wal-mart. I was just talking to someone about how much that place sucks. we were comparing shopping expeiences in Publix, Winn-Dixie, Albertson’s & Wal-Mart. WM is worst.
Works for me!!
Yep. That old “Flat Tax” chestnut again.
Yup.
FireFox has spell check built right in.
I must say that the sociology course I took on white collar crime has been incredibly useful in understanding the last few years.
There really is no mechanism now for going back and recapturing ill-gotten gains from corporate criminals. And, quite frankly, if the family members of drug dealers do time for taking phone messages, everyone working in an office should do (brief) time for fraud if it is found something illegal was going on.
The money lost to corporate criminals makes the drug economy look like chump change.
Yeah, a lot of the loans are on the books of subsidiaries or funds. The companies are refloating those subsidiaries because they’re scared of what happens if they don’t.
Break time! Be back later during second playoff game!
He did an ok job till about 98 and even then I understand why he did what he did. Greenspan was fine when Clinton and Rubin were around, but when Bush took over he went off the rails.
ie. it wasn’t him that made the Clinton good times — under a good president with a good cabinet he was fine, but under a bad president with a weak or bad cabinet he sucked.
A balanced federal budget made the economy bloom for so many.
I like Iowa when we have record highs in the 60’s. Jane are you lurking?
With all of the questionable financial moves that have happenened over the last fifteen years, how many indictments and convictions do you remember seeing?
Uh Huh.
They keep gettin’ away with this shit because the odds of them actually doing time are about the same as the lottery.
Hope we elect some actual leaders this time, to get the economy going among many other areas.
What economic policies of Edwards bring you to favor him?
If it comes down to McCain or Obama, the choice here is clear. McCain wants to continue the wars, and tax cuts for the wealthy.
FirstRead: GOP Sen. John McCain has doubled his support from a month ago in New Hampshire, and Dem Sen. Barack Obama has momentum.
I’ve worked in an underwriting department. Responsible companies don’t make loans to people who can’t repay them. Companies are in a much better position to know that than individuals, because companies have people whose jobs it is to have the necessary knowledge to judge whether people will default (and I’m not talking credit scores, which are only a start and which for a major loan shouldn’t be overemphasized. They don’t measure ability to pay, they measure prospensity to pay).
Coming out of the first YKos I had the standard journalists conversation with my cabby, who was inches away from being upside down. I told him to sell his condo within 4 months. I sure hope he did. He was a nice, sincere guy who was also sincerely not very smart. He had been snowed under.
Which is a long way of saying that while borrowers certainly have some responsibility, I put the main responsibility for high default rates on the companies that make the loans. High default rates are almost always primarily a result of overselling people and underwriting failure.
Talk about weird. It’s 80 degrees here in Oklahoma. ;0)
Just dropping by … we were calling ’sort-of-quasi-Zeds’ ‘Single Digits’ for a while. You got your choice of digits, but only one.
According to O’Neil, he and Greenspan were in agreement that Clusterfuck’s tax cuts were a huge mistake and that the surplus (remember that?) should have been used to cover transition costs to social security. Eventually, Greenspan had to provide cover to economic policy that he knew was bankrupt.
O’Neil tried desperately to warn the country about Clusterfuck- but in vain. The fucker got another four years anyway.
China raised interest rates and bank reserves, and their shares are up 1.9% in the first week of 2008
The U.S. is lowering interest rates and bank reserves, and the Dow Jones is off -4.29% so far in 2008.
We must close the Federal Reserve Bank — soonest, to save our economy.
Ron Paul
Speaking of financial crises, Ruturd’s Biz Channel is tanking beyond belief.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..e-ratings/
Averaging 6,000 viewers even though they’re in 30 million homes through cable/sat deals. This despite millions spent on promo. Of course, Pox Newz lost hundreds of millions in the first few years, and Murdoch stuck with it, but these numbers are beyond belief.
Plus, the pendulum really seems to be picking up speed, so no matter how long Ruturd stick with the Biz Channel, it may never come around like Pox Newz did.
Just another example of how the Establishment doesn’t realize the sea change that taking place in America. Their old tricks aren’t working anymore, and they don’t know how to handle it. ATTACCCKKKKK!!!
Too bad we elect Presidents based on who prays best these days.
Sidenote on website weirdness; My Yahoo page is showing yesterday’s blog post titles for FDL.
I still don’t quite understand. I had one of those sub-prime stated income loans. Bought my house in 2003, it burned down a few months later (electrical fire due to original aluminum wiring) so the insurance company had to rebuild it and kindly gave me a few upgrades, so I have a completely remodeled house. Still, I had a 7.5% rate with a first adjustment to come 5 years after I signed the mortgage. I had a three year prepayment penalty, but as soon as that penalty expired, I started looking for permanent fixed financing. By then, my circumstances had changed in that I now have a regular (although low paying) source of income (from disability). I shopped and compared for about a year, but I finally accepted a loan wherein I could buy down my interest rate (it’s now at 6.5%) and I feel I am okay with that indefinitely. Luckily, my house is small and cost was less than $100K, although it appraised last year for $170. I figure it can still lose quite a bit of its value and it will still be an asset rather than a liability and I’m in a decent market, since Phoenix main product is growth. Prices here are still only less than half as what values are in CA. Why were so many people caught so off guard. Why didn’t more do what I did, or sell before their bubble burst? It was pretty easy to see what was coming!
Keep this topic front and center, Ian.
Junk bonds, S&Ls, loan sharking, mortgage scams, Venture Capital Firms, Fed manipulation ALL the Financial Industry. What’s wrong with this picture? They don’t lose. It’s the people they see as suckers they can scam.
For several years I was hired by VC firms to assist their portfolio companies to ensure they had a strong team to get a company started. Why did I qualify? I had a business background. The difference was, I started my business with next months rent and I took on 100% of all risks. The “CEOs” (just a title) of VC portfolio companies were given large sums (millions) of capital to start a company. Often the CEO was some sales person in the VC firm. The money was other people’s money, otherwise called investors. The VC firms got gazillions of shares just in case a particular company was successful (a la eBay, Google). Nine out of ten companies failed. Sank. Tanked. And investors lost. The VC firm may have lost clients but they were successful on other fronts.
You should have met the CEOs. I’d role my eyes every evening when I got home that such losers could have been put in charge of a company that affected employees and investors. When I’d ask the CEO what was the purpose of the company, mostly, the person would give me a mission statement. He had no idea what the purpose of the company was. The mission statement was often a muddled mess. They wanted a PR firm to put a purpose and mission statement together for them so they looked good. Huh?? If I don’t know the purpose of my business nor the business statement I can never come up with a viable business plan to meet objectives. And they didn’t.
The reason the bubble was deep and devastating was because we had so many really bad business people in every facet of business ready to “take the money and run”. That is still the mode of operation out there.
Hurrah!
One Edwards economic policy which we highly favor is his idea for putting more money into schools. Education, it is strongly felt in this house, is the key to competiveness and a vibrant economy. It also is an essential ingredient in the fight against poverty and mental and physical health deficiencies.
There is wisdom in your house.
The Gold Standard and Pauls economic model is simply a return to the “Robber Baron” laissez faire capitalism of the late 1800’s. As far as for working people that “experiment” has been tried and resulted in incredible privation and suffering. It’s something that the Republicans have been pushing on us for the last few decades and Ron Paul is simply the fast track back to the days when there was legalized pseudoslavery ( Jim Crow Sharecropping and the “Company Store”), no labor unions, child labor, no minimum wage, 60-hour work weeks, etc.
The Gold Standard and “NO Federal Reserve” had nothing to do with the absence of economic depressions, runs on banks, massive inflation, etc. ALL of which occurred frequently in the period between the Civil War and WW1. Speculation and phony stock (particularly on precious metal mines and markets) were pervasive.
Of course St. Ron Paul is ONLY into pushing the Precious Metals Standard because it’s good for America…he’s not gonna make a penny on it!
LOL! Take a look at just how much a shift to precious metals would benefit St. Paul PERSONALLY!
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfd.....6_Pres.pdf
A discussion of zero-control, laissez-faire Reaganomics seems overdue. Ron Paul has been pushing it. And I’ve not seen much response from knowledgeable progressives (which may a lack of searching on my part). Does anyone have some good references/links?
It’s mostly the approach. You really “can’t” nice these people, they have no reason to negotiate or compromise.
i agree. i’m so sick of hearing the ‘give the courageous investors the breaks” rap i could ralph. the people who risk this dough can for the most part afford it. And stand to make the real money out of their supposed risk.
lame lame lame argument. friends i dine with who lay that on me ruin my appetite.
He had a choice to not provide cover. The Fed chairman does not serve at the President’s discretion once appointed. He provided cover because he had ideological preferences for such policies even if they were misguided — he though they were doing good things in the wrong way, as it were.
Couldn’t agree w