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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/06/the-best-they-can-offer-a-gop-pie-fight/#comment-1187395</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Look, a President is just the tip of an iceberg. But he or she has to be the tip we believe in. Obama has the style to do it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve never heard a Democrat talk this way about the qualifications needed to be president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OTOH, this &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; the way Republicans talk. They expect the presidential candidate to be like a walking advertisement and the ‘face’ of the administration, but that the bulk of the work is done by other people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big question is, who is behind picking all these people and putting together the agenda? If the presidential candidate is just a ‘face’ for the campaign and isn’t really the one in charge, then who is?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans aren’t honest. They’re about manipulating people for their own Machiavellian ends. It isn’t Democracy they want.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Look, a President is just the tip of an iceberg. But he or she has to be the tip we believe in. Obama has the style to do it.</p>
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<p>I’ve never heard a Democrat talk this way about the qualifications needed to be president.</p>
<p>OTOH, this <b>is</b> the way Republicans talk. They expect the presidential candidate to be like a walking advertisement and the ‘face’ of the administration, but that the bulk of the work is done by other people.</p>
<p>The big question is, who is behind picking all these people and putting together the agenda? If the presidential candidate is just a ‘face’ for the campaign and isn’t really the one in charge, then who is?</p>
<p>Republicans aren’t honest. They’re about manipulating people for their own Machiavellian ends. It isn’t Democracy they want.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/06/the-best-they-can-offer-a-gop-pie-fight/#comment-1187363</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Obama did NOT vote for the Iraq war, which was next to heresy by Lieberman and the neocons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama wasn’t in the Senate when the AUMF came up for a vote. But, to show his fealty to Lieberman and the neocons he voted repeatedly for reauthorization and money for the war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s called flip-flopping or fence straddling and he’s got long legs with which to do it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama did NOT vote for the Iraq war, which was next to heresy by Lieberman and the neocons.</p>
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<p>Obama wasn’t in the Senate when the AUMF came up for a vote. But, to show his fealty to Lieberman and the neocons he voted repeatedly for reauthorization and money for the war.</p>
<p>It’s called flip-flopping or fence straddling and he’s got long legs with which to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/06/the-best-they-can-offer-a-gop-pie-fight/#comment-1187342</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;” Charles Gibson’s hosting of the event was relatively inoffensive, until, about half-way through the debate, the candidates actually started to have an almost-substantive discussion about healthcare mandates. Gibson intervened: “We have an expression in television: we get into the weeds. We’re in the weeds now on this.”
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&lt;p&gt;Yes, it’s important to curtail a policy discussion before the candidates actually share some pertinent details with voters. Heaven forbid.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep. If people were really allowed to talk on t.v. then they might actually do it and then who knows what might happen. We might end up with real Democracy and none of the Rich wants that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why the evening news is only about 15 minutes of ‘news’ and 15 minutes of commercial advertisements. They also waste about 25% of their show on garbage stories which aren’t news.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I remember an anecdote along these lines. I believe it was Gore Vidal who said he’d been invited by Peter Jennings to be on some kind of special show, not the evening news, and he’d accepted. Later ABC called Vidal back and told him the event had been cancelled. He found out why — &lt;b&gt;they were afraid he’d say something&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>” Charles Gibson’s hosting of the event was relatively inoffensive, until, about half-way through the debate, the candidates actually started to have an almost-substantive discussion about healthcare mandates. Gibson intervened: “We have an expression in television: we get into the weeds. We’re in the weeds now on this.”
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<p>Yes, it’s important to curtail a policy discussion before the candidates actually share some pertinent details with voters. Heaven forbid.”</p>
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<p>Yep. If people were really allowed to talk on t.v. then they might actually do it and then who knows what might happen. We might end up with real Democracy and none of the Rich wants that.</p>
<p>That’s why the evening news is only about 15 minutes of ‘news’ and 15 minutes of commercial advertisements. They also waste about 25% of their show on garbage stories which aren’t news.</p>
<p>I remember an anecdote along these lines. I believe it was Gore Vidal who said he’d been invited by Peter Jennings to be on some kind of special show, not the evening news, and he’d accepted. Later ABC called Vidal back and told him the event had been cancelled. He found out why — <b>they were afraid he’d say something</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be exciting to see Edwards as AG and he would make a fine President.  I don’t know if he’ll accept the VP tier on the ticket when Obama wins the nomination.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to AG, the situation could not be worse in DOJ. Thousands of attorneys would be much better than Mukasey, but he’ll keep the DOJ in Katrina status until 2009, continuing the tradition of a Unitary Executive DOJ butressed by signing statements that says the DOJ can break any laws it wants to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; You just don’t know where to start with the cast of complete clowns they’ve paraded before us–Hans von Spakovsky, the DOJ twit brigade where an idiot like Goodling with a terrible legal education and no litigation experience whatsoever rises to the top echelon of DOJ vetting lawyers to be Immmigration judges who have had no federal or immigration litigation experience, screwing immigrants enmeshed in a broken bureaucracy, INS, also part of DOJ that is a wreck, Rachel Paulose who took down the Minnesota’s US Attorney Office who still remains employed at EOUSA doing who knows what, scores of torture memo writers including the Nahmias couple and Yoo, a totally dysfunctional OLC, an ineffectual IG office, and a joke for OPR.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, while of course in 93 districts there are some fine career attorneys who are superb litigators, appellate and trial lawyers, DOJ is systemically a wreck and will remain that way for years in concert with a judiciary that has an agenda  (240 federlist groupies on the bench now by Bush and complicit drooling Democrats in Congress along with complicit drooling Republicans who controlled SJC prior to 2006 and still effectively control it).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mukasey will continue in the tradition of Fredo Gonzales, using DOJ as a Soprano family to cover and obstruct for the Bush administration inconcert with the Bush firm of Addington, Fielding, Gillespie, and Mukasey.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be exciting to see Edwards as AG and he would make a fine President.  I don’t know if he’ll accept the VP tier on the ticket when Obama wins the nomination.</p>
<p>As to AG, the situation could not be worse in DOJ. Thousands of attorneys would be much better than Mukasey, but he’ll keep the DOJ in Katrina status until 2009, continuing the tradition of a Unitary Executive DOJ butressed by signing statements that says the DOJ can break any laws it wants to.</p>
<p> You just don’t know where to start with the cast of complete clowns they’ve paraded before us–Hans von Spakovsky, the DOJ twit brigade where an idiot like Goodling with a terrible legal education and no litigation experience whatsoever rises to the top echelon of DOJ vetting lawyers to be Immmigration judges who have had no federal or immigration litigation experience, screwing immigrants enmeshed in a broken bureaucracy, INS, also part of DOJ that is a wreck, Rachel Paulose who took down the Minnesota’s US Attorney Office who still remains employed at EOUSA doing who knows what, scores of torture memo writers including the Nahmias couple and Yoo, a totally dysfunctional OLC, an ineffectual IG office, and a joke for OPR.</p>
<p>In short, while of course in 93 districts there are some fine career attorneys who are superb litigators, appellate and trial lawyers, DOJ is systemically a wreck and will remain that way for years in concert with a judiciary that has an agenda  (240 federlist groupies on the bench now by Bush and complicit drooling Democrats in Congress along with complicit drooling Republicans who controlled SJC prior to 2006 and still effectively control it).</p>
<p>Mukasey will continue in the tradition of Fredo Gonzales, using DOJ as a Soprano family to cover and obstruct for the Bush administration inconcert with the Bush firm of Addington, Fielding, Gillespie, and Mukasey.</p>
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		<title>By: usuallyworried</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/06/the-best-they-can-offer-a-gop-pie-fight/#comment-1186837</link>
		<dc:creator>usuallyworried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But she is SO good and hardworking in this, I think she should stay doing it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah!  She has what it takes there, but otherwise SO MUCH baggage — including you know who.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edwards … I think he would make a brilliant attorney general.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely.  There he could put the teeth in the fight he wants to fight.  And he could run again in eight years after he established a really good public record.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Obama … What he IS very good at is organizing people (he did that in Chicago) and inspiring the same. I think this is what makes him - like Howard Dean - a great party leader.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look, a President is just the tip of an iceberg.  But he or she has to be the tip we believe in.  Obama has the style to do it.  But there has to be the mountain under the water.  I don’t see JE putting that together, and I don’t want HRC putting the same-old same-old together again.  We NEED a reconstituted party with party goals and party loyality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Richardson?  Another cabinet position?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who’s VP with the big O?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am sorry about Biden and Dodd, but they can remain big in the Senate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But she is SO good and hardworking in this, I think she should stay doing it.</p>
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<p>Yeah!  She has what it takes there, but otherwise SO MUCH baggage — including you know who.</p>
<blockquote><p>Edwards … I think he would make a brilliant attorney general.</p>
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<p>Absolutely.  There he could put the teeth in the fight he wants to fight.  And he could run again in eight years after he established a really good public record.</p>
<blockquote><p>Obama … What he IS very good at is organizing people (he did that in Chicago) and inspiring the same. I think this is what makes him &#8211; like Howard Dean &#8211; a great party leader.</p>
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<p>Look, a President is just the tip of an iceberg.  But he or she has to be the tip we believe in.  Obama has the style to do it.  But there has to be the mountain under the water.  I don’t see JE putting that together, and I don’t want HRC putting the same-old same-old together again.  We NEED a reconstituted party with party goals and party loyality.</p>
<p>Richardson?  Another cabinet position?</p>
<p>Who’s VP with the big O?</p>
<p>I am sorry about Biden and Dodd, but they can remain big in the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is a possibility for a Foxnewsiness Republican debate moderated by Billo-the-Wimp O’Reilly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdZOGEU1qw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdZOGEU1qw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a possibility for a Foxnewsiness Republican debate moderated by Billo-the-Wimp O’Reilly.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdZOGEU1qw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdZOGEU1qw</a></p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fundamentals are shtrong!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-George Herbert Hoover Bush&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundamentals are shtrong!</p>
<p>-George Herbert Hoover Bush</p>
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		<title>By: marshen</title>
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		<dc:creator>marshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was a great idea to hold the two debates back to back, except everyone was watching the Steelers-Jaguars game during the first two thirds of the Republican debate. They sure beat up on old Mitt Romney, same with Hillary but there is a line they won’t cross with her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a great idea to hold the two debates back to back, except everyone was watching the Steelers-Jaguars game during the first two thirds of the Republican debate. They sure beat up on old Mitt Romney, same with Hillary but there is a line they won’t cross with her.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Repulicans the party of War&lt;br /&gt;
Democrats the party of peace&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That what I get from having only watched the Dems yesterday and the Rs today&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repulicans the party of War<br />
Democrats the party of peace</p>
<p>That what I get from having only watched the Dems yesterday and the Rs today</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t get that either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t get that either.</p>
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