Login HereLast night's GOP debate in New Hampshire was a bit of a brawl. The best thing ABC News ever did was to have the Republican and Democratic debates back to back yesterday.
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Your modern Republican party: snipey, juvenile, self-absorbed, rambling, goofy, and mendacious. Watch the clip -- THIS is the best the Republican Party has to offer. The 2008 election is about change -- and a deep-seated desire for working government instead of incompetence and corrupt cronyism. Americans want something better. They deserve better.
The Republican candidates are not up to the job. The shift from the Republican juvenile pie fight to the mature, rational and well-informed Democratic debate and issue discussion could not have made that more clear yesterday.
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Good morning Christy!
Christy
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And if the Iowa caucus turnout for Republicans vs. Democrats is any measure, thoroughly uninspiring. Only Huckabee has a built-in base, and the fundies alone aren’t going to be enough to win him any elections.
short of having all of ‘em on stage at the same time, I liked the debate format of having them back to back…
Have CNN on mute …. can’t listen to old Fred…. the gov’nment ISN’T required to take care of the people…. WHAT is it for then?
Gooper candidates are beginning to understand that even it’s own voters are not keen on another eight years of GW Bush type politics- so they have now all become agents of “change”- but they’re too chicken shit to say what they are changing from or what they are changing too.. It’s pretty fuckin funny.
It exists to help the rich line their pockets. Republican Politics 101.
Thanks for the Three Stooges, Chrisy. And for the Monty Python, LS. I needed that.
Christy. Y’all mean what I know.
The Three Stooges YouTube up top is the best pie fight scene…ever. *g* So enjoy it…
Redistributing wealth upwards.
We still have the big gooper conundrum—-none of the gooper candidates can win the nomination- but one of them must…..
Well, it is certainly true that the juxtaposition of the two debates would make a sane person think that there is no political contest in any regard. Unfortunately, it is the hallmark of those who are subject to an authoritarian mindset, who have fed on the honeydew and should are, literally, full of holy dread…these poor souls are quite incapable of admitting a wrong; much like their brave leader. There will be no sanity from the true kool-aid drinkers. They simply need to be buried with overwhelming opposition. And, if there is any sanity with the rest of us, they will be.
I’m not usually a fan of the Stooges, but that is one damn good pie fight.
Pillaging. /s
I love the woman screaming in the first video! Hysterical.
Amen.
I wonder if they will go all the way to their convention?
Which is why Bloomberg keeps turning up like a bad penny.
It’s amazing, the contrast. The worst of ours is way better than the best of theirs (conceding that there even can be a ‘best’ in that pathetic field of Repubs.)
Great Post Christy, made my morning!
Gooper establishment hates the Huckster- so he can’t win- and there aren’t enough states dominated by the snake handlers to push him over the top.
Rudy looks and acts like the devil and is hated by his own family- he’s also been in favor of fetucide and gay groping- so he can’t win.
Romney can’t get spare parts since they shut down the plastic mill- so HE can’t win.
McCain might win- but he either kissed Bush’s ass too much- or not enough- depending on your point of view- and he would show up for the general election pushing walker- so he can’t win.
So what’s gonna happen?
Beats me!
This from Rich’s column today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....ref=slogin
all the “protestors” in the 3 stooges pie fight remind me of Bill Richardson last night trying to stop the discussion!
Interesting observation from Carpetbagger;
” Charles Gibson’s hosting of the event was relatively inoffensive, until, about half-way through the debate, the candidates actually started to have an almost-substantive discussion about healthcare mandates. Gibson intervened: “We have an expression in television: we get into the weeds. We’re in the weeds now on this.”
Yes, it’s important to curtail a policy discussion before the candidates actually share some pertinent details with voters. Heaven forbid.”
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo.....14145.html
If you get a chance, check out the Repukes debate through the eyes of a 9 year old, it is hilarious:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....751/431492
Never thought I’d be giving the blessing to ABC News! Lord, what a pack of fools.
I think Gibson made his weedy comment when Romney was filibustering on why his ideas- self contradictory as they are, are really the only solution.
Very interesting. I usually can’t stand to watch debates because they are too painful. So thanks for bringing that up. Since I don’t watch TV much I though that was only a thing they said about our very own Marcy.
Fred Thompson wins by default!
What else could you expect from the inheritors of the mind and wisdom
of Ronald Wilson Reagan, aka Bonzo. When a nation can take that seriously
it cannot age well for 28 years. It is over. Something else slouches
toward DC now, God only knows what it will be.
My favorite moment came when McCain denounced Big Pharma, only to have Willard Mitt defend the drug companies as the good guys.
The drug companies!
What a fool in fool’s clothing he is.
I believe there’s a fable to this regard. Something about a boy, an emperor, and clothes, or lack thereof. Precious. Thanks for sharing.
It’s the Huckster!
And making sure the riff-raff doesn’t get out of line. They must be made to keep their place!
so glad you said that ’cause I was thinking it. If all else fails the impossible is the answer.
I woke up this morning humming a tune from Sweeney Todd. Couldn’t figure out why, but then I remembered it was Sunday and time to hear the spin.
There’s not much of a tune, it is more of a rhythmic stomping to the chorus, but I thought you guys might like to join in:
There’s a hole in the world like a great black pit
and it’s filled with people who are filled with shit!
And the vermin of the world inhabit it!
But of course, Fred couldn’t even inspire lethargy, so he’d be toast in the general.
My favorite part was when Gibson talked about oil company profits/the cost of gas. “Shouldn’t we do something about this?” he asked Fred Thompson. Fred replied “Like what?”
Thompson polling 1% in New Hampshire- he has a ways to go. He was hoping to poll 1% in Iowa so he could turn all his supporters (both of em) over to McCain and get the fuck out of Dodge- since it’s so fuckin cold and all- but voters decided to keep him in double digits (barely) so he must trudge on for a while.
Did Willard say Bush isn’t arrogant and deserves credit for keeping us safe? I heard wrong, right?
It could be true, they could be the good guys…and there were these golden plates of Nephi on a mountain in upstate New York…that could all be true too! You simply need faith, and that’s all you need, damnit!
Heh! Did Wrinkles really say the Constitution has 10 Amendments? I missed that part.
Freddie says :
“This campaiging shit is hard work”.
I said to egregious and Mr. ReddHedd last night as we were watching the debate that Fred Thompson spent the entire debate looking like he wanted nothing more than for it to end so he could get a double scotch (on the rocks, I suspect) with a good cigar. Somewhere quiet. Very, very quiet.
Frankly, I could see the appeal after subjecting myself to the entire show myself. Blergh.
i lasted one minute thirty two seconds on that clip. just could not take mitt’s condescension, even if it was to ron paul. these guys really are insufferable.
I missed the ‘tell me something I don’t know’ segment. Anyone catch it?
Proving that the Faux style petitio principii question doesn’t work outside of a bottom screen crawl…thanks Fred!
Was it just me or did St. McCain start to show his nasty streak last night?
Chrisy, you’ll have to post the image of you with the conciliatory stogey!
That is why I watched the 3 stooges and not the debate. I loved the 3 stooges as a kid.
I’ll admit that I skipped it. Not that it sounds like there were any great surprises.
I have heard that he has a nasty hair-trigger temper which makes me feel unsettled about the possibility of the prez.
You just saw a burned up alky, just like Junya.
All Republics try to be Reagan. Hollywood Fred unfortunately chose senile Reagan as his role model.
I was surprised at how cranky Thompson was.
No, I think that’s a pretty fair representation of what he said!
He was up past his bedtime.
I think McCain could win. He’s the only Repug i think could win the general and he might even be a favorite. Too, too many people have bought into the “we’re winning in Iraq, now” bullshit and he might ghet by with painting a dem candidate as a cut-and -run. wnating to lose the war we’re winning type. ‘member when he was written off as not Ok with the JF’s? Well, he’s kissed some ass in that dep’t and in a general that’s something that could help him.
Someone on Matthews just said the repubs may have to find someone other than the current field to run for prez.
Jeb?
Newt?
McCain also has a hair trigger brain- which may be of more concern…
I liked it when he decided to be Reaganesque in dissing Romney- saying- “Well we may disagree about a lot of things- but I sure agree that you are the man of change—HAR HAR HAR (Romney stares coldly at him) har har har- (less enthusiatically- eyes go sideways as he tries vainly how to END this thing)
McCain lacks TIMING- he was even BORN too soon.
On Matthews? The only one I remember is Dan Rather saying Bill Clinton must be much less visible.
This from Josh
I didn’t see the debate, but I suspect that Mitt has flip flopped so much, he REALLY doesn’t remember which side of the argument he’s supposed to be on.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/062827.php
And tonight the repubs are on FoxNews for round 2, correct?
The Edwards are on CSPAN 1 now, live event - town hall
The real problem the Repubs have is that their coalition is breaking up. A new candidate won’t help. Besides it would look like a desperation move.
The actual choice will be made by Permanent Vice President Cheney. He must decide which one makes the best puppet.
I thought that’s why Thompson was in. The only one who worries me much in McCain. I think Newt likes bein’ an intellectual.
Mitt has been advised to stay home for the next debate and just send his hair.
Jeb and Newt would be just as bad as what they already have.
Bunch o’ fascists splitting hairs over the cause and the enormity of the threat of Islamofascism. Romney will not fall prey to split ends. Like a werewolf from London, his hair is perfect.
Only way goopers get a chance to pick a new player is if the convention deadlocks- which could happen. I think the primary filing deadlines are largely over and the ballots have been sent out in most states.
Besides enjoying the Republicans mud wrestling, I thought the ABC format for the debates–hold the applause and get the candidates really talking to each other was much improved.
Fixed it up for you.
Newt likes whatever Newt thinks makes Newt look good.
Agree that the debate format was the best yet- but there are still too many participants to sustain a discussion.
Newt likes Newt. Do you really think anyone else is included in his circle of friends?
A brokered convention would be a dream come true.
If you didn’t see the debate, use this image: As if a guy who never played football had picked up the ball, didn’t really know where the goalpost was (for sure) and everyone piled on him. You could see the pile-on better than the Mitt.
McGovern out with an op/ed piece advocating double secret impeachment. Where was he a year ago when it was still viable?
Must leave to get ready for some football. See all later.
Would,have been nice if the candidates addressed real issues. Mitt and Mass Healthcare fraud, what teally went on… HRC and “mandated Healthcare,” Obama and “the ability to pay” and Edwards “…take the power from the corporations.” See what is really taking place behind the scenes!!!
http://www.guaranteedhealthcar.....hcare-scam
In Massachusetts “….continue to boycott the insurers and the penalty the second year goes to half the cost of the cheapest health plan, at least $1,200, an amount almost certain to rise.Despite this growing fiasco, a lot of politicians and some advocacy groups who should know better continue to tout the Massachusetts plan as the archetype of reform. In California, for example, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed a plan based on the Massachusetts experience, and is lining up corporate CEOs and some legislative leaders to help him pass it.Ultimately, the Massachusetts sham shares a lot in common with other market-based approaches to healthcare reform. The common denominator is expanding and entrenching the role of the insurance giants who are largely responsible for the current morass by transforming our nation’s health from a system that delivers care to one that has become a funnel for higher profits, usually made by denying care.It’s time to stop expecting the insurers and the market will solve a crisis that continues to financially benefit them. Only one solution guarantees healthcare for everyone, ends insurance industry interference with care, and actually does share responsibility with fair share costs on employers, government, and individuals alike. It’s the approach of a form of expanded Medicare for All type system taken by every other industrialized nation, represented in HR 676 in Congress or SB 840 in California.”
Rose Ann DeMoro is executive director of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee
Or vice versa?
Newt look good? That explains the impossibility of Newt EVER getting
anywhere, one ugly bastard.
Christy … you deserve better, many hardworking bloggers deserve better, but the American people as a whole? I don’t know. They got what they deserved in ‘00 and ‘04.
CNN is going to rerun the debate today. I did not get the time but was surfing through and they said they would replay it. Now I need to watch it though that kids eyes…. Bunny ears… Oily… wow….
To do that, he has to win NH (good chance) and also Michigan.
There would be weeping and wailing and speaking in tongues and probably fistfights. I love it.
Little old lady got mutilated last night.
San Diego Chargers take on the demon spawn Tennessee Titans today in lovely San Diego. Half an inch of rain expected. San Diegans, who despise wet hair- likely to stay away in droves- so we are going to be treated to nut kicking football in an oil slick with no one in the stands cept the hot dog man.
Joe Bob says “Check it out”.
I agree w. an outside candidate possibility, esp if the nominee is someone other than McCain or Guiliani. Interesting show this morning @ 10:00 (somewhere) on Huckabee, and his wife doining these “teas.” This is a group (in the south and elsewhere) who won’t support Romney. And Romney looked like such an Ass last night that I think his support even among the more mainstream Rethugs is going south.
Still, I am impressed with Huckabee. He is smart, articulate, engaging, and willing to frankly address the situation for many around the country. The problem is that outside of taxes (he wants a sales tax) and the evangelical stuff (anti-abortion, anti-gay), he sounds alot like a populist Dem.
Probably the only one the Repubs could put out there that would have his appeal is Jeb. But then, you get the bad Bush name at every turn.
In short, the Rethugs are cooked.
Fred Thompson: We could be attacked by a biological weapon and not know it.
Hey Fred- We were attacked by a biological weapon (anthrax) and do not know who did it.
How secure does that make you feel?
Oh dear, Mr. Gnome is off to see his alky sister for her birthday, the Patriots are not playing, I cannot stand to watch/listen to debates, so I don’t know which game I should put on as background sound as I clean up after an onslaught of kids with play-dough.
The Independent vote in NH is 44%. I think most of them will go with McCain, and help Obama win there as well.
Is it only me, or has everyone gone gaga over a group of sycophants trying to get your attention while the government rapes the country and sells it to the saudis?
I am getting disgusted that blogs that typically talk about the issues and the crimes that need to be dealt with in the 11 months before we have another election
It is like children vying for a place on the team, and it is beneath this site to concentrate on BS in lieu of the real stories. What is everyone thinking?
WAKE UP PLEASE, get back to actually noting the carnage of real people dying rather than plastic leeches that would like you to ignore that man behind the curtain. If you continue to concentrate on these ridiculous egomaniacs, there will be no elections.
For the sake of shit, look at what Sibel Edmonds said today, no mention of it on this site? What have you all become?
or is it just me?
You underestimate the power of the darkside. Where there remains fear and Diebold, there remains a chance.
I think they dance with what they done brung at this stage of the game. It’s awfully late for an Independent or new person to gain traction. I don’t see Bloomberg getting in as an Independent, and I don’t see how anyone else can get in at this point, raise the funds to take on the inevitable Romney ad blitz to Super Tuesday Feb. 5.
Lord Cheney agrees with you.
What did she say? Got a link?
what did sibel edmonds say today? and where and to whom?
It’s just you. Given that we have a shitload of posts on a weekly basis about legal issues, constitutional crises and such, Marcy has spent weeks deconstructing the CIA tapes alone, and we are constantly trying to pick things apart on a piecemeal basis…it’s pretty much you on that one, I’m afraid.
This blog cannot cover every damn issue that every single person ever in the history of the universe has ever wanted to discuss. We are human beings who occasionally get to sleep and spend time with our families and, once in a great while, get up from in front of the computer and have fun. And we can only cover so much at once…what we do cover is a whole helluva lot of issues across a broad spectrum of information as often as we humanly can do so.
She has been gagged for so long and has spoken so little, where is the
statement, very interested to know.
I wish Ron Paul had been a bit more prepared to give details when they challenged him on his claim that we’ve imposed and/or propped u (with money, arms, training, intelligence, military presence, and/or meddling by the CIA) repressive regimes throughout the Middle East:
- an apartheid regime in Palestine
- the Emperor of Peacock throne in Iran
- the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia
- Saddam Hussein (to whom Reagan sent weapons and a personal ambassador)
- The monarchy in Jordan
- The monarchy in Kuwait
- Emirates in multiple gulf coast states.
Don’t Republicans ever read beyond the buiness page?
Bloomberg can skip the primaries and jump straight to the general- so his clock is still ticking.
Good morning from L.A. Watched Repub debate on TiVo when I got home late last night. Possibly the reason for heartburn this a.m., or was it the four alarm curry my daughter dared me to eat down @ Gunga Din’s…
Great pie fight vid, Christy. Somehow when I was watching the Repub candidates, I flashed on this scene from The Band Wagon:
Triplets- Fed Astaire, Nanette Fabray, Jack Buchanan
My take on the Dem side (which some will hate):
Hillary made me realize she is really good at what she does - serving in the Senate and brokering compromises to get things passed -some good, some bad (the flag bill for example). But she is SO good and hardworking in this, I think she should stay doing it.
Edwards got me to think that what he is really good at is fighting big buys and winning cases. In some ways in our system that has the longest and deepest impact on companies’ policies. I think he would make a brilliant attorney general.
Obama I don’t see as a great Senator (what has he really accomplished other than getting in and signing on to others’ bills, and voting (or not) on various tough issues. What he IS very good at is organizing people (he did that in Chicago) and inspiring the same. I think this is what makes him -like Howard Dean - a great party leader. He is someone who can help get young people and minorities active and more and more Dem congresspeople elected around the country. Which we need especially in the Senate and with demographics moving more seats to the south. But Dean already has that job, so in some ways being President is the next best and closest thing.
Here’s the Edmonds information for anyone who is looking…from the TimesUK.
Actually, my experience with this site while understandably watching the early voting contests, closely in threads does a fine job of getting under the hood with major issues that the media misses. Christy and Jane, EW, Tbogg and others and the others are very vigilant in bringing up just those issues you mention. They aren’t missing important issues at all.
They’re being dissected in depth actually. Look at the topics over the past two months.
If you check out the archives, you’ll see that’s true.
Re those videos. . . One was ridiculuos immature and not at all funny. I did like the Stooges though.
I knew you would take care of it Christy. Thanks for being more eloquent than I am this morning/afternoon. Marcy has been doing some great weed-work.
That is the point of the Bloomberg/Boren/Nunn lovefest at Norman, OK
Monday… they are already cooking up a faux bipartisan solution for the
recent unpleasantness of contemplating total defeat.
Have at it…
Of course there is that too. But there is now a new AG in Ohio, and in some ways we are onto the game. Alas, there is also the national disaster issue (a new anthrax, or other attack) and the damping down of everything with Blackwater serving as the main police force.
I think it’s Florida’s turn to be a pain in the ass electorally speaking.
I think Florida has done this enough already -thank you :-)
While I agree there is a danger to underestimating the enemy, I still maintain that when there is a groundswell, as this election is shaping up to be, it is much harder to steal the election. When it’s a close race, it’s easier to conceal a few votes switched on either side. When the number of votes has to turn completely upside down, it’s becomes nearly impossible to conceal irregularities. There will be little doubt that the election was stolen when compared to exit polls, and people won’t be so willing to say the exit polls were wrong, or the people lied about who they voted for.
How close is the connection between Obama and Lieberman these days? Is Lieberman still Obama’s mentor?
If Obama sits in the Ov