Pictured: The Right Blogosphere discusses Race in America
So. If you really want to find the strangest crap being spewed about the role played by race in the Democratic primaries (I hear that Obama fellow is black!), to whom do you turn? Elite Media Pundits, or Greater Wingnuttia?
Case in point, this… something… by Dick Meyer, Editorial Director of CBS Online.
Sen. Obama is a Rorschach test. I see hope! I see brains! I see a whole new kind of politician! I see an amazing life story! I see an orator! I see a natural! I see a hero!
Well, real people aren’t Rorschach tests. They aren’t blank slates. And by January 2008, Senator Blank Slate, D-Ill., will be a messy chalkboard. He may well be a fabulous chalkboard with cool stuff all over it. But more likely, he’ll be pretty much like an American politician, though perhaps one who is a great guy, with a big brain and a powerful voice….
Bite me.
No, that’s all I have to say about that. Bite me. And send me the name of whoever signs your paycheck, so I know to make fart noises at them if I ever meet them in public.
Yes, Obama is a politician. Well-spotted. However, he is not entirely a "blank slate" — though admittedly you would have to be a pretty intrepid journalist to start the process of figuring him out.
It is only through the most painstaking research that I myself have discovered that (a) he has written a book, as well as some articles that one can read online, for free; (b) his campaign operates a "Web site" where you can find his positions on many issues; and (c) a lot of people have written a great deal about him, which you can also read online — for free!
Why, if I didn’t know better, I’d speculate that on some level, this rather bizarre confession on the part of somebody paid to tell the world what he thinks about American politics, that he’s unfamiliar with the record and positions of a major presidential candidate, speaks to some latent, deep-seated sense that there just hadn’t been all that much of a need to take this dusky-hued fellow seriously. After all (heh heh), who’d ever vote for one of… him?
But of course I would never actually so speculate. Not only am I refreshingly free of cynicism, but I have the same antipathy to what Meyer calls "pop psychology" as he does, and I have exactly the same amount of integrity as him in refraining from it.
Which is not to say that Meyer doesn’t have his fans. Certain eminences of the Right Blogosphere find him Profound, including The Anchoress, who provides the sort of perspective on race in America that only a self righteous suburban Long Island shut-in can deliver. Speaking of a relative who is so crass as to remain Democratic (on Long Island, even!) and who likes Obama, Our Lady of Roosevelt Field declares:
she loves Obama [because] he is black. Wow…a chance to vote for someone who his not Hillary AND to “feel kinda good about myself” at the same time! This is a win-win! Obama’s blackness gives my relative permission to vote for him over Hillary, because women have achieved lots of things (and hell, Hillary was already a co-president) but blacks in America are still being kept from full participation in some venues. A vote for Obama helps to correct that, and that renders such a vote “noble.” A vote for Obama sets this relative of mine free from Hillary, and (and I know I’m going to get creamed for saying it) from white guilt, too.
Right. Because no Democratic primary voter would ever consider voting for Obama for the ludicrous reasons that they think he has the best policies and the best chance of winning come November. It’s all about the White Guilt. For, clearly, Obama is obviously incapable of persuading anyone based on his positions, or Heaven Forfend, actually inspiring anyone with his rhetoric! Crazy talk! He is one of… him, you know.
Yeah, it would be cool to have the first black president ever. But the hangups about race in regards to Obama don’t belong to Democratic voters, who by and large remain preoccupied with trivial issues like the fact that there’s a fucking war on, that our healthcare system sucks, and that we need to beat the snot out of the GOP this year because they’re absolutely goddamn crap at this "running the nation" thing and are besides that complete lunatics. (See the Anchoress’ comments section! Or this one, belonging to similarly afflicted dope Dr. Helen!) Most independents and even many Republicans, by the way, would seem to agree.
I mean, damn, did you see that GOP debate tonight? If I wanted to spend time with vindictive crusty old white guys, I’d visit my relatives a shitload more often.
*BONUS FUN*, because I love you. The Anchoress, again: "Now, consider Alan Keyes – he is a very smart man who is a walking thesaurus, capable of constructing whole perfect paragraphs on the fly. He’s the very definition of ‘articulate’ and would be whether he was white, black, yellow, red or whatever. But does anyone seriously think that his being well-spoken and energetic makes him a viable candidate for the White House?" No, she really said that. You can look it up.



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The ticket that will win in Obmama/Lieberman in 2008.
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Kid of reminds me of the thoughts of a wise blogger over at Atrios:
Obviously, the Anchoress has bought into the identity politics thing too.
;)
Evening Thers.
Now HERE’s a solution ….
Published by
Texas Betsy
…… or not.
Pray for sexual abuse victims: Cardinal
from Raw Story Breaking News
A Vatican cardinal is calling for special prayer sessions worldwide for the victims of sexual abuse by priests…
Commercial break in NH:
Clinton, McCain, Edwards.
Back to post debate coverage.
-G
Thers, have I told you lately that I love you? Now I really have to leave…
Peterr, heh.
Speaking of Atrios, who just linked to this:
Is this a joke? Please tell me it’s a joke.
Edwards is definitely the best man (or woman) that the Democrats have for President right now. Hillary is a vestige of the DLC corporate Democrats (Bill was the best “Republican” President is 50 years — he balanced the budget, cut the deficit, and sent millions of American jobs overseas). Obama promises that he will “talk” to the corporations and the politicians and make deals for the “people.” Big talk, unfortunately, doesn’t mean jack shit.
What we need now is someone who will fight for the “people” — someone who truly gives a shit about the poor and the middle class in America — and that someone is John Edwards.I just gave him a hundred bucks (which, frankly, I can’t afford right now) because I truly believe that he can make a difference in all of our lives. I hope you can too.
The e-mail address is –
http://www.johnedwards.com/
God bless you if you do (and I’m an atheist — but I still care deeply about my country. We actually care about freedom of speech and liberty and all of those real all-American values).
I wouldn’t call that a win.
Interesting!
NH GOP backs out of Fox debate.
from Think Progress by Faiz
The New Hampshire Republican Party expressed its disapproval with Fox News’ decision to exclude Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter from an upcoming debate by severing its partnership with the network. “We believe that it is inconsistent with the first in the nation primary tradition to be excluding candidates in a pre-primary setting,” said New Hampshire GOP state chair Fergus Cullen.
night Marion
The commenters over there are apparently not amused.
Man in the street interview in NH:
“I’m impressed with the field. This is a good time to be a Democrat.”
-G
Thers: you need my shirt.
http://www.bitemelivebait.com/original_bait.html
Ironically, the same can be said about the first female Prez…
Blech.
I don’t know what to call that.
Oh, dear, now it isn’t just dirty fucking hippies telling Faux News where to stick it. This may force somebody over there to some kind of realization as to what kind of crap they’re peddling. Or not.
Good night….eyes are tired. Loved the conversation. You are a great group to talk to.
Later….tomorrow
Sorry Riesz, my comment was in respons to jo6pack, not you. You, I agree with. :)
Night snowbird
It’s daringly inane, I’ll say that much for it.
Pu me down for “Not.”
This is just the NH state party flexing its muscles, and making Fox bow down. It has nothing to do with Fox’s rightward slant. It’s only NH making sure Fox knows “WE get to decide things, and YOU get to report.”
So to speak.
Suzanne still doesn’t have power?
Theres going to be a fire sale on fainting couches coming for these right wing people who have no idea how to interact with human beings.
We’re talking about where Joe Klein blogs. I think “daringly inane” is part of the job description.
McCain is a lying war monger who no one, except the MSM, gives a shit about. He should go back to what he does best, ripping off old people, rather than sending young people to their deaths.
From the Time comments….
Hilarious.
-G
Fat Rich and Bigoted is no way to go through life son.
I did like this part:
I don’t know Tex, but we lost power for eight hours yesterday. Kind of a record since when we lose power it’s usually only for one or two hours. Another day of crazy rain today.
Here, let me put this comma in there where I missed it.
,
As of early afternoon, she was warm and dry but did not have power.
Will never see the light of day. Leiberman is never going to poison the ticket.
Now there’s a bumpersticker.
Any chance you could get that printed up, and just slap it on the cars as they leave your shop?
Rippin’ post, Thers. Reminds of the bank scene in Lethal Weapon 2, banker to Danny Glover: “But you’re bleck!”
Obama has been a leader in destroying Pox News reputation. He started standing up to Noize Machine a year ago by refusing interviews with Pox. Along with Edwards, he refused to appear in Pox debates including a Congressional Black Caucus debate, which was quite risky for him. Then today, he ignores O’Vibrator who then throws a tantrum, further damaging Pox’s “reputation” to mainstreamers. Not to mention the refusal to wear the flag lapel pin and defending that decision in the face of the Faux outrage. Standing up to bullies is almost always the right thing to do. Obama has shown he can lead on this issue, and that’s the kind of “experience” that impresses me.
I wish Obama would get more credit for these kinds of things in the netroots.
I see a place for Leiberman in Hieronymus Bosch
“Garden of Delight” though.
Corrected for you. Suzanne’s house may lack electricity, but Suzanne will never lack power.
Mahalo, RBG! Glad to hear she weathered it!
thanks for posting this, bonkers. didn’t know.
I stand most humbly corrected.
And with that, my work here is done. *g*
G’nite all!
sleep well peterr.
That does make me think he’s joking.
But still, gah.
Gonna need an awfully large horn to fill that reamed out Lieber-pooper.
-G
Gnite Peterr.
I didn’t have the heart to tell you I don’t work on peoples cars, I fix Big Rigs.
And I would, but my boss wouldn’t see the humor.
Jaguars are about to win.
very late to the lake tonight….didnt see the debates….didnt want to watch…. reading these comments re the debate – wow….
Jags!! Yes!!
(good for Colts fan ’cause Jacksonville can give New England a hell of a lot of trouble).
umm, sorry – carry on.
I am glad to hear Suzanne is warm and dry,what scares me is the withdrawals from the internet connection.
I bet she is cranky as all get out right now.
*G*
Thers — You are real welcome to firedog. And I hope I don’t overstay my welcome here in comments, but I can’t help it. Hillary is a putz, no other way to put it, Obama is a nice get-along, go-along guy, and the only Democrat who has shown any balls is John Edwards. He’s the only one fighting for the poor and the middle class. Obama is a nice guy, Hillary is a bitch (sorry, face it, it’s true), but John Edwards is the only one who is willing to stand up and fight for the poor and the middle class.
Obama talks a good game, but Edwards is the one who is the people’s champion. (The fact that he has a big house is bullshit. He earned it through his own hard work,) Remember that the true champions for the poor were people like Teddy Roosevelt and FDR and JFK, who all grew up in mansions. And yet, unlike George W. Bush, they truly cared about the “people.”
Now, the Republicans only represent the party of greed and war. How fucking sad is that?
John Edwards for President.
The moment when Edwards was talking about why he’s campaigning was one of the best debate moments I’ve ever seen.
Having said that, the Costco and AT&T compliment was a disaster. I can name 10 huge corporations off the top of my head that are much more progressive than these two. AT&T was a particularly disturbing pick since they’re one of the worst of the worst.
I can only imagine the hootin and hollerin by some around the netroots had Obama said that…republican-lite, Lieberman lover!
What’s wrong with Costco?
Any ref to Leiberman period is a waste of time. He’s over. Nothing to do with Obama on the way to the White House. Nothing.
Leiberman is the one campaigning for McCain, who won’t win the nomination because the Rethugs don’t understand a viable solution to immigration nor do they understand that a key issue for them is screwed up becaue the INS is in total backlog chaos part of the overall screwed up and lying DOJ.
AT&T can kiss my petunia, but I think Costco is actually one of the better big-box corps out there.
speaking about wingnuttia… Redstate.com’s take on the rethug debate:
“Fred was great on substance”
What debate were they watching???? Interestingly, no post over there commenting on the Dem debate. I guess they were too depressed to watch it…
It has NYT best sellers at 40% off.
I give Edwards credit for the smackdown of lobbyists and corporations corrupting Washington. BUT, I don’t trust him. If he claims he’s going to empower the middle class, why the hell did he vote with the GOP for the bankruptcy act. “Edwards voted for the same bill in 2001, again choosing financial interests over working families. In 2001 Edwards voted for a similar Bankruptcy Overhaul bill that again required Americans facing bankruptcy to undergo debt repayments instead of debt relief…Edwards would not allow relief for people who were forced into bankruptcy from medical bills. Edwards also sided with the entire GOP caucus to vote against the Wellstone amendment to the 2001 bill.”
http://jre-whatsnottolike.com/…..committee/
Edwards is owned by the banks as is Bush by the oil companies.
Nothing wrong with a book discount.
Not a thing! Good pay, good benefits, low employee turnover, true blue in donations. Are they nationwide?
Can’t you just hear the “forking” this and “forking” that? ;-)
Yo, radlib.
Who you calling a bitch?
Thanks for the kind words — For the record, my post is no endorsement of Obama. I’m more just pointing out that the right and our Elite Punditry are out to lunch when it comes to race.
Similary, Hillary is probably the candidate I’m least convinced by, but I will NOT stand for attacks on her based on sexism.
Also, I’m amused/annoyed that wingnuts can’t get it through their skulls that Dems really and truly are going to vote for the candidate who makes the best case. I think that’s pretty much true. I mean, I can *see* the arguments for any of the Dem candidates, even if I don’t buy them totally.
Ahh, I here the5.5 pounds of chocolate still left calling me.
Nummy.
Well, Fred did appear to be physically present. Maybe that’s the kind of “substance” they’re talking about. *g*
Appropriately low expectations, y’know?
No, They Really Weren’t Netrooting for Him
http://opinionator.blogs.nytim…..38;emc=rss
from NYT > Opinion by CHRIS SUELLENTROP
Barack Obama didn’t need the progressive bloggers after all.
Other than that faux pas, I would concur wholeheartedly…
But the snarky one is at OUR mailbox waiting for it!
Fred appeared to be embalmed.
I think what he was trying to say was that it was good that ATT workers unionized, and just had his wires crossed. But yeah, it wasn’t his best moment.
Yeah, they remind me of a couple of acquaintances of mine who are prone to deciding what they think are the “real” motivations when a friend disagrees with them, unable to believe that they might just be wrong, or the friend might legitimately have a different opinion.
And I’m a grisly p***k, but it doesn’t bear on my qualifications to be President.
The biggest loser is Romney.
He is finished on Tuesday.
For a man who’s made so much money, this sure was a bad investment.
-G
Going to be a long wait…..
HA! I was waiting for that — cribbed from the Weekly Standard, no doubt.
That’s why he won the debate, he is embalmed…
Embalming fluid is a substance, too!
NH newscast just had a self-proclaimed Republican talking about “an amazing event” after seeing Sen. Obama.
-G
Which fact makes it all the more interesting: Redstaters apparently prefer their candidates to be embalmed.. which says everything one needs to know about the present state of the Grand Old White Men Party.
Freddie Thompson set off the smoke alarm after farting dust.
-G
Thanks for that, RPS. I’m an Edwards supporter, and I’d like to know what’s up with that.
newtonusr, plz check your mail.
Newscaster just made a creepy comment.
Sez there’s “Omentum” in the air.
Blech.
-G
Why aren’t all these young people who are supporting Obama out in the streets demonstrating against the war? The young people (IMO) were the ones in the ’60s who really got the Vietnam war stopped. Would like to see them do it again.
no draft
Oh, and put a lid on that, would you?
I only wish my own daughter will someday be such a B-word that she can be so close to being president of the United States of America.
I’m really kind of disappointed that none of the candidates-NONE- called the Bush administration out on torture, outing a CIA agent, habeas corpus, etc. None. Not one republican, and not one freaking democrat. What is wrong with these candidates?
Does anyone know if the Repub debate is posted anywhere?
Weekly Standard calling us the ‘Nutroots’…
Bwhahahaha… The sheer irony just oozes…
But doesn’t that require “work?”
Was the word “Katrina” mentioned at all this evening?
No need to use a misogynistic slur. Bigotry is uncalled for.
God, you’re right. It’s stunning the colossal level of “mess” the next president will have to deal with. And that’s not even including the likely recession headed our way.
Newscaster has no guts.
Go back and read the comments judiciously.
I am not doing what you are alleging.
-G
No draft, for one thing. Another is that many of them are probably as worked to death for slave wages as i am. You don’t want to go to a protest when your income is under 9$ an hour and you can’t afford to lose even THAT crappy job, or even the two that they hold at once to make ends meet.
There’s also the nasty little conundrum of ‘free speech zones’ which is about as double speak as it can get. Go to one? Get arrested or put on a watch list, either way? Say hello to rights violations the minute you step up. (At least, to those that are aware of those things happening.)
Heh!
International.
Is that my beer belly?
I have problems with Obama, he voted for Condisleeza as Secretary of State. I’m still pissed about this, especially after all of her lying, evading, and obstruction of truth to the 9/11 Commission:
BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.”
Now, the…
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.
RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste…
BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the…
RICE: I would like to finish my point here.
BEN-VENISTE: I didn’t know there was a point.
RICE: Given that — you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.
BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.
RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.
BEN-VENISTE: Now, you knew by August 2001 of al Qaeda involvement in the first World Trade Center bombing, is that correct? You knew that in 1999, late ‘99, in the millennium threat period, that we had thwarted an al Qaeda attempt to blow up Los Angeles International Airport and thwarted cells operating in Brooklyn, New York, and Boston, Massachusetts.
As of the August 6 briefing, you learned that al Qaeda members have resided or or traveled to the United States for years and maintained a support system in the United States.
And you learned that FBI information since the 1998 blind sheikh warning of hijackings to free the blind sheikh indicated a pattern of suspicious activity in the country up until August 6 consistent with preparation for hijackings. Isn’t that so?
RICE: Do you have other questions that you want me to answer as a part of the sequence?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL…..ranscript/
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00002
Thanks for that link. That article is kinda bullshit. Obama has actively courted the netroots for quite some time. I found this article earlier by David Sirota, where he tells a story about Obama calling Sirota’s cell phone to discuss some things Sirota had written about Obama. Obama invited him to spend the day in his office and talk throughout the day with him on record. Here’s the report from 2006 and it seems like a very fair report to me:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota
And just recently, Obama released a plan for something the entire netroots should be loudly applauding, yet I’ve never seen it discussed, and shows Obama understands the power and value of the netroots to democracy.
http://venturebeat.com/2007/11…..y-officer/
“Obama’s Chief Technology Officer would ensure government officials hold open meetings, broadcast live webcasts of those meetings, and use blogging software, wikis and open comments to communicate policies with Americans, according to the plan. The plan extends Obama’s previous advocacy for more open decision making in government.”
A chip off the ‘ol Lieberblock, huh? /s
Thanks for that link. That article is kinda bullshit. Obama has actively courted the netroots for quite some time. I found this article earlier by David Sirota, where he tells a story about Obama calling Sirota’s cell phone to discuss some things Sirota had written about Obama. Obama invited him to spend the day in his office and talk throughout the day with him on record. Here’s the report from 2006 and it seems like a very fair report to me:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota
And just recently, Obama released a plan for something the entire netroots should be loudly applauding, yet I’ve never seen it discussed, and shows Obama understands the power and value of the netroots to democracy.
http://venturebeat.com/2007/11…..y-officer/
“Obama’s Chief Technology Officer would ensure government officials hold open meetings, broadcast live webcasts of those meetings, and use blogging software, wikis and open comments to communicate policies with Americans, according to the plan. The plan extends Obama’s previous advocacy for more open decision making in government.”
A chip off the ‘ol Lieberblock, huh? /s
I think this is right… outside of a few liberal places on either coast, people are afraid… burdened with debt, staring into a bleak economy (many young people, from middle and even upper middle income backgrounds, are looking at genuine downward mobility), scared how political engagement will be seen by prospective employers, and downright confused and confounded by the leaders who purport to represent us but with whom they cannot even begin to identify. Obama offers hope, and we grasp at that, but that’s all.
Nutroots=scrotmentum.
-G
I heard a media person stating that during the 2005 Repug National Convention they self incarcerated themselves into the “free speech zone” and wondered how wrong that is now. How much we have allowed the loss of our freedoms.
It used to be the whole country was a free speech zone.
Both Arkansas and Missouri local newscasts are covering a lot of folks heading back to Afghanistan this weekend. I can’t help but wonder if Cheney wants to ramp up some Pakistani action.
Couldn’t watch much of the Repube snoozefest, but did see a cutaway shot of Crazy Train McCain’s wife in audience.
What a “Love Story” those two are! Especially since it started as an affair while his other wife was sick.
“Love means never having to say you’re Crazy.”
My take on that is that wherever I happen to be standing at the time is a Free Speech Zone.
Someone told me St. Ronnie came up with that tactic to shut up protesters.
UH UH, in my book.
Remember that the Democratic convention in Boston also insisted on having a “free speech zone”
Respect for liberties is not exactly epidemic in either political party
My Boyz here in the Isles are fixing to head back over in about 90 days… 8-(
ES, soldiers from my nephew’s base are going as well, which is not good for them, but also not good for my nephew. his base is now over-staffed. and he’s only a sgt.
Hi Twain,
Re:
I’m a veteran of those anti-war street actions in Madison and D.C. from 1968 on. I’ve gulped my share of tear gas.
I can assure you that the people who got the Viet Nam War stopped were not us. We were easy to pick off, as at Kent State.
No, if you study history, you’ll learn that the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong beat the U.S. After a decade of losing, eventually the American leadership figured out what was obvious to much of the rest of the world at Dienbienphu in 1958. The Vietnamese were simply no longer going to allow vicious imperialist exploiters to occupy them no matter whether they sang the “La Marseillaise” or the “Star Spangled Boner”.
***
It’s going to be interesting to see how Stephen Spielberg re-writes our history when he re-creates the “Trial of the Chicago Seven” featuring Sacha Baron Cohen (Borat) as Abbie Hoffman leading the Youth International Party (YIPPIES). I can see another disinformation/propaganda film ahead, much as Tom Hanks/Aaron Sorkin/Mike Nichols created a totally BS fantasy about how the CIA “saved” Afghanistan.
Oops, Irak, that is…
Re:
2008: “Change!”
2009: “Spare change?”
2010: “Brother, Can You Paradigm?”
Perhaps dems are saving it for the general election?
I spent a few days protesting in Dallas during GOP convention No Mo Ron in 1984. One morning a bunch of us very polite DFH’s stopped in the Anatole Hotel for breakfast (where Ronnie was staying). The looks we received from the guests were no match for any arresting officer I ever met in my life. Anyway, I don’t recall the FS zone… but twilight was definitely a part of their gaze.
Somehow, it’s just generally ok with most everyone that no one from the Bush family ever serves. I am really mystified.
The facebook comment was that they wanted the Democrats to spend more time talking about the economy BUT who set the agenda and directed how much time was spent on each topic?
The issue is that Charlie Gibson (and who ever) presented the questions/topics and I think it would be really weird to charge into Katrina issues when they were talking about Pakistan.
Well THE storm has arrived in Arizona…. raining right now
Has anyone said tonight that Charlie Gibson is a smug butthead? I’ve never liked him. So there.
Amen! The pundits and the repubs just don’t get it. I watched about 15 minutes of the repubs debate and couldn’t take it anymore. They’re in complete denial.
Watching the Dems now, west coast delay. Clinton and Obama are sniping at each other over healthcare.
You watching the debate too?
Is the storm weakening at all? I sure hope so. Stay safe, Katymine.
2008 Democratic Convention Watch posts on rumor that there will be a large lock-down zone in Denver.
Exactly, another reason I don’t trust him, under Clinton in 1999, he voted again in favor of the banks. The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. Which has led us to the current subprime mortgage fiasco. The repeal act should’ve been called “Banks Gone Wild.” This is the part I love from The Clinton’s previous Secretary of Treasury (and current fundraising ally) Robert F.( you’all can guess what the F stands for) Rubin, “Just days after the administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the repeal, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill’s chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Secretary Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, “You’re buying the government?”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..emise.html
Did I mention I don’t trust Hillary either?
Richardson is awful, bless him.
IIRC, the mayor has already said it won’t be like last time.
Yep over at kos… pretty long front page from DHinMI
Our memories coincide Ray …
Someday – though I suspect it won’t be soon – we will learn the real lesson of Vietnam which is that sovereign peoples tend to defeat occupiers … and don’t quit until they do.
And neither of their “solutions” offer us the healthcare they have.
The healthcare we buy for them.
Poland takes its time on deciding the fate of the missile shield….It all depends on the US elections.
-G
Barack’s book:
It was horrible I checked it out of the library and went through it.Please read it before youdeide on him as your candidate…plu..ease!
Do people here agree that no candidate will ever agree on everything with you?
I mean, Russ Feingold has done some shitty things. Dodd has some shady connections and questionable actions related to those connections. I even remember some occasions wondering what the hell Paul Wellstone was thinking.
I ask this since it’s been so consistent around much of the netroots where Obama doesn’t get credit for anything, even though he has done some really great and brave things, and there are crickets whenever some of Edwards’ missteps are brought up.
I’d like everyone to have access to the same health care that keeps Permanent Vice President Cheney from the grave he so long ago should have occupied.
No, LOL, although I can probably wrest the TV away from the kids about now and try to find it.
My comment was based on past “yuck” moments watching GMA.
My feelings too.
-G
Amen.
Awesome. Charlie getting pants’d on national TV. Gotta love it.
It is raining right now, heavy rain tomorrow and snow in the high country now up to 8-14 inches with a snow watch down to 5,000 ft. Phoenix is at 1500ft.
In the 10 years I have lived here have I heard about that much snow being predicted. That is major.
Did not watch the debates tonight so don’t know how Charlie seemed on TV. I can tell you unequivocally that, in his real life, he’s a great fellow.
Charlie’s a terrific family man who has none of the hubris you usually find in NYC media types. My guess is that the PTB at ABC dictated the questions.
Now…a Katie Couric, for example…that’s another story. *g*
Which book? He has two I think. I received the one about his life history as a present, and haven’t gotten very far in. That was last year, so wasn’t overly enthralled, but it seemed okay. Will try to finish it when I have time.
I like how he admits the drug use. We get it. No need to run and hide from the Noize Machine. Tired of fear, which is one of his main campaign themes. This is very refreshing to me.
I just don’t get it. God gave us the huckster and the chuckster, why wern’t they sent over to Wiristan to get the Osama Bin Laden Texas Ranger style. Our secret weapon more powerful than a nuke. With Texas super inteligence and bravery you’d out thouight that the Chuckster would be at Dubya’s side and saved us all long ago. The ranger always gets the bad guys, right?
katymine, how far are you from scottsdale?
Osama is a Bush crony and not to be ‘got’ under any circumstances.
Re: Democratic Party Convention in Denver —
It appears that the City of Denver has decided to avoid putting out the welcome mat to anyone considering using the city’s parks as gathering places during the convention.
See the notice on park in the Upper RH corner of this page: http://www.denvergov.org/Defau…..rg/DNC2008
Direct link to .doc notice on parks for which permits will not be issued:
http://www.denvergov.org/Porta…..itting.doc
This does not look particularly friendly to non-convention linked democrats as far as I can tell.
Do you happen to recall exactly what Mayor Hickenlooper said when he declared that Denver’s policies would differ from those in Boston? Or was it just the usual politician’s bafflegag?
Same here, CT
link
Post over at Noquarter about Obama’s votes on the Bankruptcy bill amendments.
No candidate is perfect, is 100% in line with yours or my views. That is because we are all human, different, come from different experiences and travel in different avenues. What I do is listen and research a candidate, meet them, see them speak and see if they are speaking of the the things that are most important to me. What I hear from candidate X may be very different from what you hear.
Just reading TaylorMarsh where her take was that Clinton was super in this debate but others take is very different.
…whenever some of Edwards’ missteps are brought up.
The citizens of this country who are in bankruptcy court and forclosure consider it more than missteps. These are laws that impact the middle class financially and are creating a class of indentured servitude to the banks.
John C. Calhoun, Speech 5/27/1836 “A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interest, combined in one mass; and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.”
About 15-20 miles and depending on the time of day… an hours drive .. Why?
I can’t quote it and please don’t quote me, it was about the aggressive police attitude and the unnecessary arrests,said that wasn’t going to happen ,was bullshit, paraphrased.
A Headline on Yahoo’s frontpage ever since the debates tonight:
“Clinton: Obama Changes Positions”
Are we seeing a talking point develop before our eyes?
Out of all the things to summ up tonight, that’s what they pick. Nice framing as well.
Suz is good – power supposed to be restored sometime tomorrow hopefully. We just got power within the hour on this side of Mty Bay in Carmel.
One of my dear friends is moving there this week and I may fly out to visit her during our Spring Break.
Well my friends, vacation is over for me. Back to the full schedule as of noon tomorrow. Time for me to get some sleep.
I prefer Clusterfuck and Little Boots.
-G
Well then we got to meetup …. will Cassie come too?
Nite, TexBetsy. Sleep well.
Hi NPB! Thanks for the progress rep. Glad you have juice!
Sleep well Tex Betsy!
good night TexBetsy -
sleep tight
don’t let thetreehouse guests bite ;)
nite betsy. I’m chasing that down for you.
Well, I’ll take your word for it, of course. ;)
I’m talking about his TV presence and he at times seemed to me to be chauvinistic and domineering when cohosting with Joan Lunden. But hey, I don’t totally detest the guy, he just rubs me the wrong way. That’s all. I guess the condescension most of the media has for dems is rubbing me the wrong way these days. I’m a little raw these days. Cheers.
unlikely.
this would be a ME vacation.
Katymine brought this to the table:
“[Obama] studied the issue,” Williams said. “Some assumed he would just go along with consumer advocates, but he voted with us on several points. He understood the issue. He wasn’t closed-minded. A lot of people [especially those corporate lobbyists] found that very refreshing.” — “Barack Obama Inc.,” Harper’s
Don’t mention that in the debates…keep looking and honestly justify Barack’s past stances with the campaign rhetoric. I would be more comfortable with a signing statement rather than some old quotes. Bonkers are you willing to draft something we can send to all three campaigns and the press?
I call him Stupie McFuckwit.
Someone was asking whether the latest Cheney strategery had Pakistan in the crosshairs?
The US is about to enter war number 3.
New US/CIA plans.
Notice that Sec. Def. Gates wasn’t at the meetings on Friday.
-G
Well we will have to have a “girls” night ;)
I like Richardson, but he’s got to stop tapping his fingers for emphasis. The mic is picking it up and it’s incredibly distracting.
I gotta bookmark that, there’s already way over 200.
Hey I’m watching the debate now. This Scotty guy is quite challenging. Does he attend WH press conferences? Maybe he should.
Cheney only has one maneuver. Escalate.
I have spent way too much time with a TeeVee guy…. several of them have thumped their tables and it probably killing the audio guy.
I know where you’re coming from and agree completely about the MSM. I should explain…his wife was the head of my daughter’s school so I was able to see and talk to him in that milieu. They have two grown daughters and if he came off as a chauvinist, it was not from his “real life”.
Any doubts I may have ever had about him (given his high profile)were unfounded. One of my daughters’s college friends works with him at ABC and says he is revered there by all.
I do know what you mean though about “wrong way rubs”. My elderly mother adores Matt Lauer. Her only sister cannot abide him. To each his/her own! *g*
He’s the NH politcal reporter for the NH ABC affiliate.
Sadly the old political reporter is Fox’s Carl Cameron, who’s wife was made famous in Robert Greenwald’s Outfoxed—she was a Chimpy campaign lackey.
-G
Well, Duhhh… But, we never seem to learn…
I watched the debates and found all four of the Democrats amazing. They were all good. I saw more fire from Edwards than in any of his appearances and liked it. Obama is better at speeches than debates. His cadence bothers me…short, jerky, and emphasis on the last word in a phrase or sentence. But I can see that as sort of endearing if you’re listending th his lecture and taking notes. Richardson is a little fawning sometimes but he comes across as sincere. And I don’t think Hillary is a bitch. Shame on you. Yes, she did display some anger but who wouldn’t? And she was invited by Gibson to rag on Obama…I thought she gave a measured response. All in all, I say any Democrat on that stage can be my next President. The Republicans were boring.
Aw heck, what’s another failed state among plutocrats?
-G
Put that in your appendix!
Night gang.
-G
Night g.
tee-hee
Eureka has tunes upstairs!
g’nite, gb
wait….carl cameron has a ……wife?
How do you know it was not an audio girl?
Thanks for the link. That’s a very Lieberme move no doubt. Now Obama can say he voted against it, but in reality Obama gave the banks what they wanted. That vote is almost as bad as Edwards’ repeated cave-ins to the megaBanks while he was Senator.
It’s so different now with the explosion of the Blogosphere the last few years. We can share information with each other like this, and keep people more honest now that there isn’t a “Press” anymore to do this.
I guess that’s why I’ve been pointing out some of the truly visionary things Obama has done as well, since many seem to be ignoring these. After studying his life to this point, I feel quite confident that he’s a true blue Liberal personally, but worry that he’s trying too hard to pander to all the different interests. Hard to tell for sure at this point since you can only do so much as a Senator, but if he’s the Prez he can get much more done, especially with More and Better Dems making up Congress.
This is such an interesting race right now between the BigThree.
Edwards: No compromises with BigMoney.
Obama: Should work with BigMoney, and can take some cash, but not too much.
Clinton: BigMoney should be in my Cabinet informing me, and what’s wrong with taking their money?
All three have made some really bad votes. Clinton more than the other IMO. If you believe in the “pendulum” metaphor, and it’s safe to say it’s been in Clinton’s camp for the last 20-30 years, then perhaps it’ll have to swing through Obama before getting to Edwards’ position?
Whatever the case, it’s crucial more and more of the electorate get their “news” from the netroots, and starve the Conglomerate Media out of existence.
I really miss Late Nite with TRex and the old format. Sniff.
This is the first I’ve heard about this. Kudos to Dodd for raising the issue. What was Edwards’ response? I don’t see it in your source, which looks like a hack job on Edwards, not even attempting a balanced analysis of this issue. If Dodd has criticized Edwards for this, Edwards must have issued a response somewhere.
Anyway, thanks for bringing this to my attention. It is a major problem for me. Dang, why do ALL politicians have feet of clay? It must be part of the human condition.
Bob in HI
Which one? He’s got several out, you know.
Bob in HI
I lived in Flagstaff from 1987 to 2003, and we’d get snowfalls like that several times a year until about 1993 or so, when the drought settled in. They’ll be jumping for joy at the Snowbowl, and the snowpack will help restore the forests that have been decimated by pinebark beetles. The high country *needs* some big snowfalls, several times a year.
Bob in HI
I believe the ATT and Costco comments by Edwards were specifically about their labor policies, so I’ll forgive him that one.
trying not to cough…
it is pronounced “lee-BER-meh” because it looks like a new word and i want to be correct from the get-go.
you pack a lot into this comment; explosion, please, and news like this, more. i love being alive, if only kenya et al wouldn’t keep happening…
you’re a witty one, and your comment made me register.
I could have sworn I left a comment on this thread.
Jane
You are an embarrassment to women everywhere with this post. What sort of incompetent makes assessments based on not smiling enough? And I don’t recall your degree is as a consultant? You buy in to the bash Hillary narrative and expect to be respected? Never. Not once did you delve into the substantive debate. The lie John Edwards told about his “passing” a Patient Bill of Rights. Hillary caught him on this lie and exposed the truth. But no mention of that from you. Was a lack of truthfulness just a minor moment? Or is lying in one part of one’s testimony not be considered when evaluating the other part? You’re a hypocrite who clearly needs to be liked yourself. Does that include abandoning intellectual honesty and discourse in order to cozy up to Obama and Edwards supporters? You support a negative meme about women…so don’t be surprised when you are the subject of it one day…poetic justice has its moments.
And then Obama’s mistruths…He talks a good game about banning lobbyists but hires one as co chairman. Again not a problem for you? Not hypocrisy. Or is it inspiring hypocrisy? And his great ethics reform that bans sitting down for a meal but not standing up? Keep in mind, …it’s your credibility going forward that matters to your reputation….It’s always at stake. And once you tip toe into enemy narratives, you become no different than all those people in Bush land that you expose as liars. The ends never justify the means…and intellectual honesty comes before anything. Save your mush for the low end readers…because unless you can up your game…and employ critical reasoning skills….no one will ever appreciate your niceness and industry, let alone, your opinions.
But you always could get lucky. I read the MSM, and there is no shortage of weak stenographers littering the pages of so called important papers. Perhaps you are taking your cues from them perhaps?. Half reporting the truth. Good job. Unworthy for a woman who should aspire to more. And curses on you who attacks another worthy woman with a sexist narrative. Disgusting.
“So. If you really want to find the strangest crap being spewed about the role played by race in the Democratic primaries (I hear that Obama fellow is black!)…”
Wait just a dad-blamed minute…you’re telling me that Sen. Obama is black?? Whoa, Nellie…