Comments on: Is the Problem With The Clinton Campaign Mark Penn? http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:25:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: wrensis http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1186431 wrensis Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:44:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1186431 <p>Matt Stoller actually says;<br /> “It’s a really interesting idea, and would certainly build credibility for Clinton on the leadership front. Obama’s (and Edwards’s) weakness, heretofore unexploited, is that, though he’s running on a message of change, he’s never actually led on any substantive change. So Obama is something of a cipher. Clinton needs to emphasize this uncertainty and contrast her readiness to lead by doing something bold and dramatic. The FISA fight is Bush’s top priority this year, and bringing some partisan heat to a national security issue might help reposition her as the candidate able and willing to make real change instead of just inspiring people with vague rhetoric.”</p> <p>Another thing to look at missed votes <a href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/" rel="nofollow">http://projects.washingtonpost.....e-missers/</a><br /> <a href="http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/11/05/obama_missed_most_senate_votes.html" rel="nofollow">http://politicalwire.com/archi.....votes.html</a></p> Matt Stoller actually says;
“It’s a really interesting idea, and would certainly build credibility for Clinton on the leadership front. Obama’s (and Edwards’s) weakness, heretofore unexploited, is that, though he’s running on a message of change, he’s never actually led on any substantive change. So Obama is something of a cipher. Clinton needs to emphasize this uncertainty and contrast her readiness to lead by doing something bold and dramatic. The FISA fight is Bush’s top priority this year, and bringing some partisan heat to a national security issue might help reposition her as the candidate able and willing to make real change instead of just inspiring people with vague rhetoric.”

Another thing to look at missed votes http://projects.washingtonpost…..e-missers/
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..votes.html

]]> By: ellwort http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1186195 ellwort Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:25:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1186195 <p>Problem? Maybe it’s Hillary? (See, e.g., JoeBuck at 187 above.)</p> Problem? Maybe it’s Hillary? (See, e.g., JoeBuck at 187 above.)

]]> By: priscianusjr http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1185467 priscianusjr Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:40:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1185467 <p>Because some people want it and some people (the insurance industry, pharmaceuticals etc.) don’t?</p> Because some people want it and some people (the insurance industry, pharmaceuticals etc.) don’t?

]]> By: JoeBuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184879 JoeBuck Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:22:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184879 <p>I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Hillary to go to Washington to fight the telecoms. As <a href="http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3092" rel="nofollow">Matt Stoller points out</a>, there’s an issue where Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee are on one side, and Clinton and the rest of the Republicans are on the other: net neutrality. The corporate view is that the Internet belongs to the telecoms and they should have the right to do whatever they want; Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee support net neutrality.</p> <p>I don’t expect Hillary to do anything that displeases her backers, at least not yet. She might change out of desperation if she badly loses in New Hampshire.</p> I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Hillary to go to Washington to fight the telecoms. As Matt Stoller points out, there’s an issue where Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee are on one side, and Clinton and the rest of the Republicans are on the other: net neutrality. The corporate view is that the Internet belongs to the telecoms and they should have the right to do whatever they want; Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee support net neutrality.

I don’t expect Hillary to do anything that displeases her backers, at least not yet. She might change out of desperation if she badly loses in New Hampshire.

]]> By: Oregon http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184498 Oregon Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:22:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184498 <p>Interesting analysis…. I do believe that this is the kind of thing that decides contests… not details of policy positions.</p> Interesting analysis…. I do believe that this is the kind of thing that decides contests… not details of policy positions.

]]> By: anjinsan http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184488 anjinsan Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:20:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184488 <p>I haven’t commented here in forever, but I just want to say this post really pissed me off. I would love it Mrs. Clinton would go to the Hill to kick some ass. As a voter that is the ONLY thing anymore that would get my attention.</p> I haven’t commented here in forever, but I just want to say this post really pissed me off. I would love it Mrs. Clinton would go to the Hill to kick some ass. As a voter that is the ONLY thing anymore that would get my attention.

]]> By: JoeBuck http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184486 JoeBuck Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:19:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184486 <p>Hey Jane,</p> <p>I love you, love your work, your site, read it multiple times per day, kick in a bit of money once in a while. But can you please drop that awful phrase “good optics”?</p> <p>A well-designed telescope, microscope, or camera can be said to have good optics; it’s a term that describes lenses. Google the phrase and that’s what you get: discussion of binoculars, cameras, and the like. But some marketroid book-writer or second-rate pundit apparently co-opted the phrase to be a pompous synonym for “looks good”. So “neither of which have good optics” just means “neither of which looks very good”.</p> <p>Reminds me of a former colleague, a very sharp German engineering manager, who suddenly started saying “my takeaway is …” several times per hour. Seems he’d picked it up from the American marketing people he worked with. Yuk.</p> Hey Jane,

I love you, love your work, your site, read it multiple times per day, kick in a bit of money once in a while. But can you please drop that awful phrase “good optics”?

A well-designed telescope, microscope, or camera can be said to have good optics; it’s a term that describes lenses. Google the phrase and that’s what you get: discussion of binoculars, cameras, and the like. But some marketroid book-writer or second-rate pundit apparently co-opted the phrase to be a pompous synonym for “looks good”. So “neither of which have good optics” just means “neither of which looks very good”.

Reminds me of a former colleague, a very sharp German engineering manager, who suddenly started saying “my takeaway is …” several times per hour. Seems he’d picked it up from the American marketing people he worked with. Yuk.

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184099 perris Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:49:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184099 <p>a much better way to frame that discussion is to say it the way it is;</p> <p>“the telecomunications have stolen your property, they have aquired access to your manuscripts, your bussiness connections, your diaries</p> <p>they want to be able to keep that data, we don’t want them to get away with that theft, we want to find out what they’ve stolen and who they’ve stolen from and we want you to be compensated if it’s your property they have</p> <p>if there have been sick or depraved “officials” who have used the cover of their office to listen to the private conversations you have with your wife, or if they want to look up your daughters dress, we want these people in jail</p> <p>we cannot allow these kinds of sick minds have access to this kind of information”</p> a much better way to frame that discussion is to say it the way it is;

“the telecomunications have stolen your property, they have aquired access to your manuscripts, your bussiness connections, your diaries

they want to be able to keep that data, we don’t want them to get away with that theft, we want to find out what they’ve stolen and who they’ve stolen from and we want you to be compensated if it’s your property they have

if there have been sick or depraved “officials” who have used the cover of their office to listen to the private conversations you have with your wife, or if they want to look up your daughters dress, we want these people in jail

we cannot allow these kinds of sick minds have access to this kind of information”

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184030 ThingsComeUndone Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:09:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184030 <p>Hilary has to do something if she wants to win. I suggest that she blame Penn for her moving to the Center and then she should claim that she always was a Lefty.<br /> Good Topic sorry I got here late.</p> Hilary has to do something if she wants to win. I suggest that she blame Penn for her moving to the Center and then she should claim that she always was a Lefty.
Good Topic sorry I got here late.

]]> By: SunnyNobility http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184011 SunnyNobility Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:54:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/is-the-problem-with-the-clinton-campaign-mark-penn/#comment-1184011 <p>I think the immunity thing could be explained to the public in one short paragraph that would grip them. </p> <p>Like the telcos promised you your privacy and they may have knowingly illegally given it away. And now they don’t want to pay the damages they may owe to you.</p> <p>All it needs is some prime time exposure and Hillary could perhaps get it.</p> I think the immunity thing could be explained to the public in one short paragraph that would grip them.

Like the telcos promised you your privacy and they may have knowingly illegally given it away. And now they don’t want to pay the damages they may owe to you.

All it needs is some prime time exposure and Hillary could perhaps get it.

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