Last October, Mark Penn made a visit here promoting his book, Microtrends. At the time I was pretty stunned that as the political pollster and strategist for the Democratic frontrunner, the index listed only one entry for "Iraq," which was one less than the number of entries for Angelina Jolie.
The back cover of the book proudly boasts a quote from the New York Times saying that Penn’s ideas "helped transform the Clinton presidency into a service provider for various niche voters," so it was curious to me that Penn would consciously avoid the biggest political niche of all: exit polls in Iowa say 34.9% of Democratic caucus goers identified the war as their most important issue. It indicated an overt strategy of avoiding the controversial.
I asked him about it in the comments, and Penn… avoided the question.
Following Clinton’s drubbing in Iowa, people inside the campaign are questioning the effectiveness of Penn’s guidance:
[N]o sooner had Mrs. Clinton finished her concession speech in Iowa on Thursday than second-guessing set in among her supporters.
One longtime adviser complained that the campaign’s senior strategist, Mark Penn, realized too late that “change” was a much more powerful message than “experience.” Another adviser said Mr. Penn and Mr. Clinton were consumed with polling data for so long, they did not fully grasp the personality deficit that Mrs. Clinton had with voters.
Bill Clinton had the charisma to run a campaign based on polling that he could then go out and sell to an audience with both charm and passion that made it seem sanguine. Barack Obama has the ability to do much the same. By comparison, when I saw Hillary in Iowa she came off as studied and cautious. Obama’s supporters don’t seem to be focused on the details of his policies — they are convinced that he’s a man of strong character who has the judgment and the persuasive abilities to do the right thing, and convince others to follow him. Hillary’s ability to hit all her marks, make no mistakes, and run a "perfect campaign" with a Penn-like avoidance of controversy seems rather bloodless by comparison.
Roger Simon observes, quite rightly, that Clinton did nothing "wrong" in Iowa. She didn’t suffer from poor field staff, and she spent plenty of time and money there. She can’t take the "lessons from Iowa" and retool her operation for New Hampshire given all the wind at Obama’s back. She can’t play an incremental game when she needs a Hail Mary pass.
He also wonders if her current problems come from the campaign’s organizational structure:
There is a risk, by the way, in having your pollster also be your top strategist: There is a natural tendency for someone who holds both positions to say the strategy can’t be wrong because the polling can’t be wrong.
And sometimes you need a strategist who is willing to say, “I don’t care what the damn polling says, we need to try something different.”
Clinton may very well have to go negative on Obama to survive, but she risks compounding her own negatives in the process. Her decision to run at him from the right, as Matt Stoller says, is just ridiculous. Who’s going to back her up in asserting that Obama is too liberal? Because really, he isn’t. That just sounds desperate.
Clinton needs to do something dramatic. Take the bull by the horns, show that she’s not just an overly scripted politician who will never do anything that’s isn’t "safe."
An excellent way to do that would be to leave the campaign trail and go back to Washington with Chris Dodd to filibuster retroactive immunity for the telecoms. The message that "nobody should be above the law," that she’ll fight for accountability and won’t be held hostage by big money interests would be a powerful one. She’d certainly grab all the media attention by doing so, and force Obama to either follow her lead or stay behind on the campaign trail while she goes to Washington and fights for the constitution — neither of which have good optics.
It would be decidedly un-Penn like, unsafe and virtually impossible to poll. But it might be just the kind of shaking up that her campaign — and the race as a whole — would benefit from.
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Jane!
ZED!?
Jane:
typo: second line at second para: valour niche…
Not. Just like yeaterday when you were at the airport…*g*
Pretty apparent they missed the whole no more villagers thing.
Hillary’s biggest problem is that nobody really wants her to be President. She’s trying to get around the problem of not being likable by being hypercompetent. And that isn’t working, either, because now she has to defend her war-cheerleader votes. She has nowhere to go but down.
Dagnabit! Hi, all!
If Clinton went to DC to filibuster with Dodd, it would certainly increase her stature in my eyes.
I also agree that it would help Clinton to “tack left” (gad, I hate that phrase). Glenn Greenwald (among others) has done a lot of analysis of issue polls, and makes a very good case that the US population is a lot more progressive than it is depicted in the mainstream media.
zactly. In my view, the bigest problem with the Clinton camapiagn is Hillary Clinton.
Jane!!
You are right. Some of us have been saying this very thing. DLC’ism might work on a state level, but when has it worked in a national level? It worked with Bill because he has the charisma. Otherwise it is toast. The other question that begs to be asked is: Why does she want to be president. We know that Edwards wants to be the voice of the little guy. We know why Obama wants to be President. Why does Hillary? Because she has experience? That’s not something you sell to packed gyms in Iowa and NH. The key problem is that the HRC operation was/is so full of themselves. She helped build the whole inevitability meme. They don’t have any fall back once that meme has been torn asunder. They never planned for “just in case”. And it will likely sink them.
I actually find Clinton very likable.
Jane:
Excellent analysis of Hillary’s strategy and problems. Excellent. She could take your advice, but somehow I doubt that she will.
The problem with the Clinton campaign is Hillary. Fire her, and it might run smoother.
So do I but that doesn’t make me want to vote for her.
Jane here, as with your piece earlier on Edwards’ speech, you are so ON target. This is the big issue not only with Hillary but also with the DNC, and the bulk of our new and older Dem Congress people – pointing too to the enduring impact on AIP*C on political issues here in the U.S. Note too, the threatened entry of Bloomberg into the campaign arena, someone who in a tight election could “give” the election to the other side. If neither side choses a pro-war candidate I bet we will see him entering the fray, or even short of that some sort of “compromise” plan reached with candidates to continue a military presence there.
There isn’t much TIME for Clinton to change direction, but she needs to- even if it hurts her chances for the general- which is what has probably been guiding the strategy.
The bad news- she can do NOTHING in time for New Hampshire- which she seems about to lose- the GOOD news- Iowa is an oddball state- but the a loss in New Hampshire will be more significant.
By comparison, when I saw Hillary in Iowa she came off as studied and cautious.
Yep. She was very “Calm”, like her handlers were trying to undo the perception that she is shrill.
I think, and nobody asked me, but nevertheless, she might do better to just be herself.
I also said, when Dodd was attempting that filibuster that he would be making more points doing just what he was rather than campaigning in Iowa.
What do I know?
I agree, she should go back to her job…..
In my humble opinion, I would rather hear the Dem candidates attacking the corrosive, corrupt policies imposed by the Unitary Executive criminals in the WH, relentlessly….than this stupid infighting while Bushco continues to rob, rape, and violate the Country and the Constitution. And then, if they would do that, I would vote for the best of them to win. I’m really sick of this infighting crappola…it plays right into Rove’s divide and conquer playbook….really dumb….
The inevitability game works on the Republican side, not our side. We like fresh new faces, fighters and diversity. Rethugs like the middle-aged white male wealthy Christian who has been anointed to the throne. Hillary’s strategy is all wrong.
I’d love to see this happen.
It would garner a lot of attention for the FISA battle and it would put Obama on the spot. Would he continue to campaign and put his personal aspirations above the Constitution?
or she could crank up the behind the scenes armtwisting of all the (D) apparatchiks who owe the Clinton dynasty favors.
with the corruption of all other national political structures in the country, who really believes “the Voters” are actually the ones deciding the nomination, anyway?
Jane:
Interesting commentary, however, in my mind the problem with the Clinton campaign is the candidate. Bill Clinton was such a great natural politician he made all his advisors look like geniuses. Like a coach having Tom Brady for a QB as opposed to some stiff.
Isn’t “tack” from sailing? That’s an elitist sport. I like my hockey analogies from the last thread.
I don’t think movin’ left will help her. The people to the left just aren’t buyin what she’s sellin and even more her past performance. She can’t “tack” that away. I think she’s gotta go with what she’s been goin’ with, tweak it and have effective TV commercials and good staff and organization work. Big O can probably match her in all of those things and will probably only improve. If so, she’s fucked.
I agree 100% Jane….
IF either Clinton or Obama did stand by Dodd, my opinion of them would go up. SO would the fund raising and spot light. Segment on KO and hours on the Span…..
Disagree with your Bloomberg. If anything, he might enter if there is no ANTI-war candidate nominated. The only anti-war R is Paul who probably doesn’t stnad a chance, no matte his fund raising prowess. And chuck Hagel would most likely not be flirting with Bloomberg if Bloomberg were pro-war.
Obviously YMMV
What Hillary does tonight at the debate (which some are saying is the most important of her political career) should be quite telling, and might point to the future of her candidacy…
As for this experience v change business. I think it quite interesting that in Iowa, the more experienced Dems in the race lost: Biden at the bottom, then Dodd, then Richardson, then Mama herself, topped by Edwards way behind (let’s remember by 9 points!) Obama.
Bullseye Jane, as per usual.
Joining with Dodd is the right thing to do for her campaign, for the Democratic Party, and for the United States.
That’s what you get with this system, unfortunately. I believe all three major parties in the UK now have on member, one vote mail in ballots for party leader, who become Prime Minister in the event of that party gaining a parliamentary majority. Then again, the separation of powers is different there.
Just saw a beautiful thing on CNN where a gentleman challenged Romney on his anti immigrant stance saying that Romney had turned his back on god’s children in his anti immigration rhetoric … it took courage and was so beautifully stated. The crowd booed the fellow and Romney is trying to spin out of it but that took courage and was so beautifully asked.
Either take Jane’s advice or file a divorce action on Big Dog, that
would step on the Obama parade… also petition for a gag order on the
Big Dog to stop his yada yada about him and HWB making things right again.
I agree that Clinton standing up with Dodd would improve her image as a fighter with me.
I think you were probably right about Dodd. But under the oddball system you get keicked out if not viable in the first go-round. I dunno, but I betcha Dodd got more caucusers after the FISA fillibuster and as a result of it.
As for Hillary, right again.
See, you know lotsa stuff.
“There is a risk, by the way, in having your pollster also be your top strategist: There is a natural tendency for someone who holds both positions to say the strategy can’t be wrong because the polling can’t be wrong.”
Maybe he’s seen the math, like Rove.
There’s not much time for any of the candidates to make an incremental change- any change is going to have to be instant and dramatic. Hillary’s place in the senate gives her the opportunity to do something dramatic- (eg sponsor new legislation, lead a fillibuster, etc.)
These are the times that show what a candidate is made of. If she can respond to this- she may have what it takes.
Watch for the freight train bearing down. Hillary may win Florida- but the party may not seat the delegates!!
WASHINGTON, Jan. 4 — The California Nurses Association (CNA)/National Nurses Organizing Committee (NNOC) launched a national campaign today in favor of what the group has dubbed “CheneyCare” — guaranteed, publicly-funded health care for all Americans.SOURCE The California Nurses Association.
I love this. All the Dems should make the term “CheneyCare” part of the regular language in the campaign.
If she came out and unambiguously called for investigations & impeachment, and promised to pursue the evildoers after they have left office, backing it up with jail time, she’d have it in the bag, I think.
Jane, granted Hillary has definitely been ill-advised by Mark Penn, Mandy Grunwald , Howard Wolfson et. al, however the problem with Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton. No ifs or buts about it. If you have to continuously reinvent yourself it is no surprise you do not come off as authentic. Recently she has been making one faux pas after the other for which is paying the price.
I couldn’t agree more. Profit and health care should never be linked together. Thats the reason we have the fucked up health care system we now enjoy!
contrary to the wisdom here I kind of think bloomberg takes more votes from republicans then democrats
democrats understand we need a democrat in office and while bloomberg might appeal to them under normal circumstances I don’t think they cross the line this election
on the other hand, there is nobody in the field for the republicans to hang on to, if bloomberg enters I think they vote for him thinking he is their only hope
That’s great framing. Good smackdown of “socialized medicine”.
this is really good marketing
Disagree to the extent that if she did this, it would pretty much be the final assurance that Little Boots would be issuing blanket pardons for his entire admin as he walked out the door.
Hopefully it would lead to a Plutocrat/Theocrat split of the GOP.
This is off topic, and a pitiful little screed, but it’s been bugging me and I am not afraid to speak my mind.
Jane, please do me a favor and replace that tiny, grainy, out of date HuffPo picture you have at the top of your posts.
There has to be a hundred better pictures of you.
How about the one from the Baseball park?
Or from the Libby Liveblogging, or a candid from a bad morning after?
With my bad eyes I can barely see it in the first place, while I am wishing for ponies, why not a tad bit bigger pic?
Ok, I’m done, sorry to be so petty.I’ll go back to the porch and shut up now.
There is nothing socialist about health care, without comprehensive health care for all the price of health care will just continue to spiral out of control!
This is really the heart of the issue. Clinton’s perceived experience really is huge plus for her, as is her association with Bill; they’re key reasons why she led in the polls for so long. But they’re not enough if people aren’t convinced she has the courage to fight for what needs to be done.
That was the specific challenge that Edwards and Obama laid out, and it stopped her momentum in the polls. And she never responded convincingly.
Hillary has been trying to compete for the soft road with Barak Obama, the smoothest politics-of-harmony politician I’ve ever seen. So long as she tries to out-nice Obama or talks about the next president’s todo list, she’s dead. She needs to get concete and start kicking ass and naming names. She needs to harness the anger and frustration of the American voters. It’s likely she can out-tough John “Baby Face” Edwards. He has a very hard time looking all that tough. She doesn’t.
CheneyCare – isn’t that what his hunting partner got?
He’s going to do that anyway. It wasn’t an entirely serious suggestion on my part ;)
Need to get the turkey soup finished will be back later1
Interesting observation.
Agreed. She needs to step out of the box and do somethign different. The filibuster would be a good way to flank Obama and to show she’ll stand up for something.
One more thing on Hillary’s overly consultant & poll-based presentation: look at her attire. In Iowa she was all pinks and pastels (the “southern wardrobe”) in NH she is taking out her rust browns and forest greens. It is all SO obvious. Someone in the MSM is sure to pick up on it. Don’t the Clinton advisors know that people have television sets – and access to You-Tube? She must have spent a fortune her dress in terms of her present and upcoming wardrobe changes. Not only does it show, but it is damning.
While on the subject of appearance, I remarked the other day that Obama has the advantage of appearing like a tabula rasa (blank slate – viewers insert their own perceptions) and mirror (you look at him and you see yourself in part reflected back). Both are real pluses – Reagon was much the same. There is a reason why this is happening for Obama, linked in part to his own appearance that impact viewers at a pretty deep level. At base Obama has this quality because he displays striking physical qualities of crosscurrency. His physiognomic features are simultaneously black AND white. And, in terms of age he looks like a gawky 15 year old (both kid and adult at that awkward too lanky stage that you hope he grows up and out of it soon so he can get a date). It is an endearing quality – the everyperson addressed in this.
In psychological terms your gaze focuses on Obama and wants to stay there to figure out “who”/”what” he is (race, age, and otherwise), puzzling over related issues. And because of his barn door ears, and warm seemingly natural smile, no one feels threatened by his looks.
Edwards also has certain features of crosscurrency – especially boyness and adultness- but this is not helping him fo his features are in some ways so classically “pretty” that he seems almost to cross gender. More over and his great looks can be seen by some to be more threatening – or at least the cause of jealousy (think back to your high school days with cute guys like this getting all the girls).
Clinton is interesting in this dimension too. Her cross currency is between the image of traditional overbearing “Mom” and the often over demanding always sweet-smiling boss everyone loves to hate – and talks about behind her back. Her strange pant suits don’t help by giving her a female-male cross currency that, as with Edwards, probably hurts her more than it helps. For age, you wonder, how much longer will we see her as “Middle age” with “elderly” coming up soon.
Richmond
Very interesting post- many insights.
Yeah, that was great. I loved the goonish response of the crowd: “Yer ILLEGAL!” So gallingly typical and hate filled.
The worst enemy for the GOP is the GOP base.
They’ll be lucky to score 10% of the Latino vote, and 1% of the Black vote.
-G
On Jane’s pix – I love this one – very smart dame, Hollywoody star that everone loves (Lauren Bacall?)
if she gets somebody that can tap into the pulse of the party she’ll make sure immunity for telecoms does not come to pass
if she has a prayer she’ll guarantee investigations and she’ll make edwards platforms hers
like oboma did, talking about corporate sponsored elections
she doesn’t have alot to do, going negative should happen only if she looses this primary, she should try to run on her record and vision, if she goes negative it almost definately helps edwards not her
I’m confused. What am I missing?
I dunno. I thought Bill was an asset. That’s just me.
That’s what the GOP calls it. Everyone else calls it a basic human right, and something you should expect living in the developed world.
Thanks – coming from you this means alot. (I analyze things visually alot in my other life, so it stands out when it happens).
Great observations about Obama as a tabula rasa. He clearly is aiming for that, too, judging from his rhetoric (which focuses as blandly as possible on “coming together for change,” letting the audiences project onto him their hopes for what that change will be).
POLL: Suffolk University New Hampshire Primary
The fourth in a succession of Suffolk University/7NEWS statewide tracking surveys of likely primary voters in New Hampshire (conducted 1/3 through 1/4) finds:
Among 500 likely Democratic primary voters, Sen. Hillary Clinton runs at 36%, Sen. Barack Obama at 29% in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails at 13%.
Among 500 likely Republican primary voters, former Gov. Mitt Romney runs at 30%, Sen. John McCain at 26% in a statewide primary; former Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani both trail at 11%, Rep. Ron Paul at 8%.
All other candidates receive less than five percent each. The margin of sampling error is 4.4% for each subgroup.
– Eric Dienstfrey
saying cheney got national health care, it’s saying what’s good for him is good for everybody
it’s good marketing for that, cheney makes believe he doesn’t agree with national health care but he wouldn’t be here if he didn’t have it
The question is what happens to Senator Clinton if she loses?
-G
Richmond! I was sort of thinking along the same lines, but couldn’t wrap my words around the terminology. You did.
The polls are all over the map.
-G
Greg
Yep
while preumably the corporate donors and influential foreign lobbies don’t have to rely on ‘projection’ to know what they are getting from Obama in exchange for their support.
quite a system we have.
Bill is not an asset. He makes one realize how much more articulate and naturally engaging (”endearing?”)he is. Plus he is now looking so old and weary, that he adds a symbolic 15-20 years to Hillary – making her seem older and more tired as well. Also I don’t think Chelsea is helping. They look so similar (in their current hair color) that you realize how far Hillary has come and how ambitious she has been all along the way – willing to say almost anything to get where she wants to go. (And again the pantsuits. Who really wears those things in the professional world or at home?
I saw a comment to the effect that she, Biden, and Dodd should go back to the Senate and kick some ass, including Give’Em Head Harry’s.
Americans under 30 constitute the most ethnically diverse (and ethnically ambiguous) group on earth. We live in the 21st century in the era of globalization, with the admixture of races and ethnicities in the context of global nomadism. I suspect somehow Obama appeals to this group: In Iowa he captured the majority of the votes in this group.
Great critique with interesting insight
New poll numbers, via TPM.
Rasmussen has Obama up by 10 points –ARG has Obama up by 12 points.
Hillary who?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/062775.php
Thanks. It also conforms to the whole “change” thing. You wipe the slate clean, symbolically, before starting out anew.
I keep thinking about her concession speech, with Bill and Madelaine Albright on either side. Huge blunder, visually.
Maybe, but she’s hampered by the fact that tough women in our society are perceived as bitchy or shrill. Just as Obama surely knows that he couldn’t be successful as an “angry black man” even if he wanted to, Hillary also has a more limited range to work with than a white male.
Hillary is on cspan talkin about ‘healthcare’ and telling us that our taxes pay 75% of congresscritters healthcare costs. She then tells us she wants us all to buy into that system. Does that mean we pay twice? through taxes AND whatever we have to pay for it in addition? And if the govt system is so damn fine, why not medicare for everyone, whose admin costs are only 2% vs. 15% for private health insurers, and whose efficiency is consistently rated much higher than the fat cats’?
SUMBUDDY TELL ME THE TRUTE!
Very interesting…. From a woman’s point of view for Edwards… yes he could have all the girls BUT he stuck by Elizabeth (or she stuck with him)…. when she was overweight, when they lost a child, when she was diagnosed with cancer. They are a partnership but in a different way than the Clinton’s.
Think Rudy…. Think Gingrich…
I admire them to remain together during some of the toughest times in anyone’s life. You can see his respect for Elizabeth. That counts.
demi – I think Bill cuts both ways… I’m trying to find out from one of my Hillary hatin’ friends if its Bill, Hillary or what the percent is of both…
Hillary is on cspan right now… she’s doing a very good job.
The complicating factor for Clinton going back to DC to take up the fight against retroactive immunity for the telecoms is the presence of Edwards in the race. The upside for her if she were to go back to DC is that she can claim to be “doing something” while all Edwards (as a non-Senator) can do is talk. The downside is that she (and perhaps Obama, if he followed) would be leaving the campaign crowds to Edwards, all by himself among the top tier candidates. Would her supporters say “Well, I like Hillary, but as long as Edwards is in town, I might as well see what he has to say”? More importantly, if they go, would they stay Hillary supporters?
At this point, I think she’s got to take a risk somewhere — and this sure looks like a the best suggestion I’ve seen.
Yeah Rasmussen has Hillary up by ten- but I NEVER put any faith in Scotty’s polls. Wait for at least one objective pollster.
Don’t forget Wesley Clark…
Speaking of Dildo Bill. I thought he was an average “Levitt town” kind of guy?
Why then would an average guy call someone else “low class”.
O’Reilly, using the pejoratives of the elites.
Boy, Fox may be seeing their Waterloo in NH.
-G
I’d really rather see her tying to be a great Senator than running for President now. Senate leadership needs to be fixed. Why can’t she go work on that? Because of ego? bleah
I noticed that in the crowd when we saw him speak here in Denver last summer. I was on a balcony overlooking most of the crowd, and it seemed to be a three-way split; black/white/Hispanic, in about equal amounts. A lot like central Denver, in fact.
Yeah, that was sort of an establishment Mt. Rushmore picture.
-G
The trouble with Hillary takin up the immunity issue is that few understand it or follow it. She’s got to do something VISIBLE. Health care is not a bad approach- but what she does had better be earth shaking.
Abosolutely. I never thought I would say (think) this, but all of those AWFUL TV shows about teens having sex with a zillion people and having no idea of who fathered their kids until the DNA is revealed to them on an Afternoon show to shouting audience members has had an impact. These are fake reality shows, I think in part put out there to make your ordinary luke warm disfunctional family (kids talk back, come back late from dates, have several sex partners) feel better about themselves – and to help the moralizig evangelical churches damp down on sex with the ringy thingy. BUT, what they have done is to NORMALIZE black white sexual relationships. Professional and college sports do much the same thing. So, as with gay issues and MSM (think about American Idol, the “new” house show etc etc) this is now “old hat.”
testing testing test
God yes!
As of now, they aren’t seating the delegates. lawsuit failed. Attempts at compromise failed and left some people pissed. I guess it’ll go to the convention floor? That would raise an interesting scenario if that happens. that’s a shitload of delegates but alot of people aren’t gonna bother to vote and nobody has come here to campaign.
As to the main argument of the post, Jane, I agree she needs a big change, but I’m not convinced that is it. It would be very popular with us and good for the country, but Dodd didn’t get a big bounce out of it anywhere but online. I’m not sure the slower pace of the Senate allows for shows of leadership there to have much effect on the faster-paced presidential race at this point. There was a time it might have helped the campaign, but I think it’s passed.
I think a large amount of the sh*t the Clintons took while in office was a class issue… it just galled the elite that some “hick” from Arkansas was holding the office… that was a snowball that ran away fast…
The underlying theme for all progressives for this campaign should be
QUESTION THE PREMISE
Why should quality (and i find dem references to “afforadable” insulting) health care BE a political issue? give a reason.
Speaking for myself, for me it’s the idea of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. What next? Little brown George? It makes complete sense.
This is why the GOP is witnessing what may well be their “Custer moment”.
I grabbed that phrase from Freddie Thompson. He apparently used that term in regards to his strategy in South Carolina.
Dana Bash was quick to note that Custer made a last stand but didn’t make it out alive.
How apt for the moribund and cadaverous old Freddie.
-G
surely you jest, cheney can afford the best health care in the world.
FWIW, the Rs have declared they are blocking half the delegates from FL, NH, SC, and MI from being seated because of failure to follow the party rules on timing of primaries.
Of course, most folks don’t pay any attnetion to that.
Wait ten minutes, there will be another poll. Sort of like subway trains.
Jebidiah is still in the background panting like a dog smellin a bitch in heat for his chance to lead the country into a true oligarchy.
And now those same Republics are looking at nominating the Huckster, also a hick from Hope, Arkansas.
Edwards could own this election if every lefty got behind him.
Billionaires see the president as “Hired Help” anyway- they don’t care if he’s a billionaire himself- they’d rather have him a bit hungry and willin ta work fer food.
Even Sir Byron of York is mocking Mitt Romney for now embracing “change” as a campaign theme.
Says the parodies are writing themselves.
To think some of the same people that mocked John Kerry are embracing this empty shell of a man.
-G
Did you see the BagNewsNotes post about Huckabee having Chuck Norris’ model wife in the TV shot at his concession speech instead of his own wife, who was just out of frame in most shots? Interesting.
Permanent Vice President Cheney would welcome another Bush Puppet.
Katymine I completely agree with you. He is a wonderful person, and so is Elizabeth. Smart, dedicated, serious – both of them. I meant by this only the issue of quick judgments one makes on appearances only. (often of course these thinking is very wrong. Obama is clearly not an adolescent – and to say so, actually could give a quite racist read, but then I suggested the same for Edwards.
Interesting you bring up Elizabeth here. She is beautiful -and looks smart, professional and “nice.” I wonder also whether Hillary makes a mistake to go the “blonde” route rather than something more “brunette.” Blonde may suggest for Hillary something both slightly “dumber” and more artificial (unnatural). Think Olympia Snow and Margaret Thatcher as well as Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein among others. They “look” smarter. (Again I am talking here about first impression looks, not reality.
The trouble with the Clinton Campaign is authenticity.
Especially the lack of it.
Hillary is as phony as the MSM.
You ask:
Don’t the Clinton advisors know that people have television sets – and access to You-Tube?
I read Jane’post amd wondered if Clinton’s advisors had TV’s. Didja read this quote:
Another adviser said Mr. Penn and Mr. Clinton were consumed with polling data for so long, they did not fully grasp the personality deficit that Mrs. Clinton had with voters.
If she and her advisors had only watched any
> TV or read any paper or any magazine, how could they have not known about the personality deficit?
(Playin’ with the italics was fun. Maybe bolds in my next comment.)
the CA Nurses Assoc is saying that IF Cheney was a regular Joe and NOT money warbucks he probably would not survive his chain of health issues due to our dysfunctional health care system. Either by denied services, lack of insurance, limits and out of pocket expenses.
as a teacher, Clinton hits the right notes with me…
The US is the most diverse country in the world, ethnically and racially. This is the only country that reflects the world. I have an aunt who taught high school in Queens, and she once told me that she her students had about 45 languages among them. You have global travel; you have multinationals with diverse staff; you have intermarriage; and so on and so on.
The US is not by any means postracial, not yet by a long shot, despite the pipe-dreams of some. But it’s a possiblity at the end of this century…
So that was Chuck Norris’s wife? Camera couldn’t take it’s eyes off her! If she’d dropped to her knees for the Huckster the deal would have been closed.
edit – on education, Clinton hits the right notes with me…
Is john anderson here?
I call bullshit on the use of the words change and authenticity
hucksterbee is the least authentic of the candidates and yet
i thought it was debbie harry and that she’d gone round the bend
Very true. I tried to engage my father and brother-in-law in a discussion of the increase on govt surveillance powers over citizens, and they looked at me like I had just morphed into Leon Trotsky or something.
Exactly. We need to get back up the Huckabilly Xmas picture of the family in matching clothes. That photo HAS to be the Rethugs worst nightmare. It looks so camp that you want to roll over laughing – Beverly Hillbillies poorer cousins come to visit. It would make a Huge comedic TV show.
I don’t see a picture at top of here. The pictures are all ok, I think. Especially egregious. I had previously thought she was a guy.
YUP!. (Thanks for the pointer on Italics).
The book salon he’s hosting will be up shortly. Stay tuned . . .
I didn’t see that. I saw his speech, didn’t think she was his wife. There’s no way Huckster is married to a potential FLILF.
Er, because getting it will require changes to laws and government programs, and the way we decide whether and how to do those is politics.
I don’t think it’s “questioning the premise” or good progressive strategy to adopt a frame that politics is something that shouldn’t be involved in getting government to do what the people want. I’ve had quite enough of conservatives declaring that anyone who disagrees with them is just “playing politics”; politics is how we settle these disagreements.
Edwards has been against that and she didn’t do shit before when she had the chance and will loom like an opportunistic bitch. But I can’t think of anything else, either. I still say she needs tweaking. Not wholesale change. It may just not be her year.
Janet Huckabee was out of the frame but there
she looks a bit more like Janet Reno (–taller than Hucky whose is short short short….McCain sized and he takes pains not to be photo’d looking short
What’s a “FLILF”?
Huckster seems to be a more authentic hick than the Decider, who really is just stupid.
I have a very strong sense that Edwards is the only viable Dem running for pres with the fortitude to stay a righteous course once in office. He has character the others lack. plain and simple. forget the other analyses. he’s the one least likely to disappoint in the end.
If he was the nominee it’s my very strong sense that his message would resonate strongly with most americans today. if he got the nomination he’d also shift the emphases of his message to a more forward lookign one beyond the critique of what’s wrong today.
he’s the only one runnign id actually got out and vote for.
Wasn’t he supposed to be the one? Bush senior pretty much admitted it in some tearful speech, didn’t he? Junior screwed up the whole plan, like he screws up everything else.
i think Hillary is over. Obama did her and Edwards in this week. she looks really tired, along with Big Dog.
Mark Penn is Hillary’s Bob Shrum. there’s a new energy out there and it’s sparking off big O.
You only see the portrait pictures when you’re on the main page, not the individual post.
LOL! This reminds me of when someone thought punaise is a woman, and when someone thought eCAHNomics is a dude, and when someone called me a “her” in the last thread…
Good point. And this is one of the reasons why the whole “immigrant” thing has such traction now. Things are tight economically, and all these people who don’t look like me are competing for the job I (or my kid) needs. Hence, down with immigrants. Not, alas, down with all these companies who are sending all our jobs oversees, or who are cutting back my hours (and insurance) so they can get millions as bonuses and fly around on private jets. Speaking of which I hope someone comes up with a MEGA tax for private jets. Those things are MAJOR polluters and take up all the space at airports, giving the congestion that is making the rest of us late everywhere.
i totally could not make heads or tails of what you said.
time for tea.
I think that’s true and am glad if it made Bush Sr. cry.
Pete
Yeah- the old man knew all along that Clusterfuck would botch things up and that Jebidiah was the annointed one. For knowing this and not telling US, american owes Bush the elder a ride out of town covered in poultry.
“So that was Chuck Norris’s wife? Camera couldn’t take it’s eyes off her! If she’d dropped to her knees for the Huckster the deal would have been closed.”
RW: you are a BAD BOY. Go wash your mouth out with soap!
Actually that was Mrs. Huckabee, not Chuck Norris.
-G
I think quite a few primary voters understand it.
LOL…I was trying to figure out what that “her” reference was…*G*
Apparently when the cameras switched, she moved to stay in the spotlight. Bag had this to say:
“quite a few”
You mean MORE than 10% ?
I still have some money on Jeb being brought into this as a Rethug candidate, particularly if Huckabillie is the candidate on their side.
They laughed when the raisd his hand in that early debate. I ain’t laughin’ at his act no more.
Surely when he said “dropped to her knees,” he meant in prayer, right? ;-)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi…..or-a-flilf
Daily show. Too funny.
Yup. Like the floating cross….the blond bombshell…they’ve got one hell of a marketing team that has figured out that the country falls for “shoestring” manipulation and it denial thereof, faster than all the slick stuff… next thing there will be a BBQ…and Nascar…and, Oh yeah…W.
Globalization is one result of way capitalism and technology have been working with and for each other, like Janus with two heads. The machine of globalization cannot be stopped at this point. But we can tweak it and adjust (to) it at the same time. No one can stop immigration (legal or even illegal) either. Make all the noise you want. Globalization is all about opening up countries, not closing borders. We better get a grip.
Dunno. But Hillary’s prtetty desparate. I don’t know if her takin’ a stand with Dodd would work but don’t think she has (m)any options.
Ok Clinton just said that she was going to make sure that EVERYONE qualified for student aid…… What about the kids who have A single drug offense and then can NEVER qualify?
That seems so wrong…. a kid can’t make ONE mistake and they forever dammed.
True. But he is coming across now as warm, earnest (caring?). Get that picture out there, it is everything but!
and then there’s George W. Bush
Good point. And on Janus, there are those seeming sorcery complements (4 eyes) if you get me.
I think the Bush name is poison at this point. He might as well be called Hitler.
Politics is an integral part of government, which is essential for running a country. That’s why the first three articles of the US Constitution established the government. Without a government there is no country. A “country” without a functioning government is known as a failed state.
Does anyone know if Wilford Brimley has a hot wife?
-G
We don’t even need Stewart and Colbert anymore.
In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 121
Especially egregious. I had previously thought she was a guy.
LOL! This reminds me of when someone thought punaise is a woman, and when someone thought eCAHNomics is a dude, and when someone called me a “her” in the last thread…
actually, that was me. i was just guessing since i picked up your remark about violence against Obama wouln’t go well except in the South from somebody else’s quoting it. interestingly, after that i found out that our preferences for Democratic candidates are pretty much the same.
The solution to the illegal immigration “problem” is economic development in Mexico. It worked in Europe when Eastern Europe opened up. There’s a reason why the party that’s flogging immigration is the one that’s funded by big businesses that depend on exploiting immigrant workers.
That pair ought to light a fire under the oatmeal and prune juice for breakfast crowd.
Just stumbled onto this interesting piece from David Sirota from a while back:
http://davidsirota.com/index.p…..washington
Just the fact that “Mr. Smith” has been replaced by “Mr. Obama” is quite poetic. The fact that it’s real now and not a movie title is amazing.
Sirota’s article backs up some of my feelings about Obama. Just like his entire life, Obama is politically walking an extremely difficult tightrope. He got himself into this position by doing these things, which is incredible in and of itself, and he’s continuing this same approach of not trying to piss off too many people. Looking at his life and actions as an adult, I’ve felt that he really is Liberal, but picks his battle very carefully. It is especially difficult to get things done as a junior Senator, so I’m hoping he’ll let his true Liberal colors show if he’s Prez, where he’ll have more power to get things done. Sirota:
“By almost all measures, Obama has been a solid liberal, both in his early career as a community organizer and then as a local politician”
Why just recently he advanced a plan to create a Chief Technology Officer who is supposed to use Wikipedia, blogs, live streaming of government hearings, etc. to increase government transparency and citizen involvement. Why hasn’t this been heralded around the netroots?
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pol…..322797.php
I’m voting for Edwards still on his aggressive stance to BigMoney, but I could get excited about an Obama nomination.
Maybe Hillary can try again when she gets more “experience” in Warshington. Then perhaps she’ll be “electable.”
maybe one of Leonard Cohen’s prayers …….
McCain’s wife, long blond hair.
Romney’s wife, long blond hair.
Hucks’ stand-in photo-op wife, long blond hair.
It’s almost like Hucks’s doing a weird parody of his own party, and he’s winning.
Creeps me out.
Hard to imagine there is any possibility he’s not going to do that.
I agree with one of the commenters I read above, that no matter how awful her advisors may be, the real problem is Hillary Clinton. This is quite simple: smart people don’t hire stupid advisors, or if they do, they figure it out and take appropriate action. If she chose to take the advice of idiots, then she doesn’t have the self-awareness to do what SHE thinks is right, and of course she will lose.
book salon?
As we say in US French: pas de sweat…All in all for the best. I also get a kick out trying to figure out gender from handles. Some are pretty obvious…some not. I thought Peterr was a woman at some point. Don’t ask me why. Peterr: You at the Lake? *G*
AND reversal of NAFTA & CAFTA, re-Nationalize their railroad and stop US Ag Business dictating what Mexican farmers can grow.
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Clinton’s crowd looks to have quite a few young people.
Good one!
I don’t believe he will as long as he thinks he can avoid it. Only if the choice is direct that he pardons or his a** is on the line. Then he will pardon everyone in sight.
I agree that some of those would be necessary to make development work, but I think more would be needed, too.
Clinton’s crowd looks to have quite a few young people…….
She has Lieberman’s campaign office on speed dial.
I agree, because Bush doesn’t care about anyone but himself. He’ll pardon people to the extent that their legal jeopardy might harm his “legacy” more than the pardons would, and a few more pardons that Cheney writes out and puts in front of him to sign.
‘nite all. time for fahr to get tucked in …..
Bush will probably do a blanket pardon goin out the door for those who have loyally followed him into the shitter. He might even quit a day early and let Cheney pardon HIM on the way out.
Oh I agree…. since I am living on the front line of the immigration war
Create a country where their citizens want and see a future for themselves and their families. Empower them to participate in their own self rule and cut the corruption that perverts the system.
of course I don’t jest, cheney can afford the best health care but he used national health care.
plus the fact that “he can afford” health care is the very point, most people cannot
if he were “most people” who could not afford any health care they wanted, he would be dead
that is the point
I think the immunity thing could be explained to the public in one short paragraph that would grip them.
Like the telcos promised you your privacy and they may have knowingly illegally given it away. And now they don’t want to pay the damages they may owe to you.
All it needs is some prime time exposure and Hillary could perhaps get it.
Hilary has to do something if she wants to win. I suggest that she blame Penn for her moving to the Center and then she should claim that she always was a Lefty.
Good Topic sorry I got here late.
a much better way to frame that discussion is to say it the way it is;
“the telecomunications have stolen your property, they have aquired access to your manuscripts, your bussiness connections, your diaries
they want to be able to keep that data, we don’t want them to get away with that theft, we want to find out what they’ve stolen and who they’ve stolen from and we want you to be compensated if it’s your property they have
if there have been sick or depraved “officials” who have used the cover of their office to listen to the private conversations you have with your wife, or if they want to look up your daughters dress, we want these people in jail
we cannot allow these kinds of sick minds have access to this kind of information”
Hey Jane,
I love you, love your work, your site, read it multiple times per day, kick in a bit of money once in a while. But can you please drop that awful phrase “good optics”?
A well-designed telescope, microscope, or camera can be said to have good optics; it’s a term that describes lenses. Google the phrase and that’s what you get: discussion of binoculars, cameras, and the like. But some marketroid book-writer or second-rate pundit apparently co-opted the phrase to be a pompous synonym for “looks good”. So “neither of which have good optics” just means “neither of which looks very good”.
Reminds me of a former colleague, a very sharp German engineering manager, who suddenly started saying “my takeaway is …” several times per hour. Seems he’d picked it up from the American marketing people he worked with. Yuk.
I haven’t commented here in forever, but I just want to say this post really pissed me off. I would love it Mrs. Clinton would go to the Hill to kick some ass. As a voter that is the ONLY thing anymore that would get my attention.
Interesting analysis…. I do believe that this is the kind of thing that decides contests… not details of policy positions.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Hillary to go to Washington to fight the telecoms. As Matt Stoller points out, there’s an issue where Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee are on one side, and Clinton and the rest of the Republicans are on the other: net neutrality. The corporate view is that the Internet belongs to the telecoms and they should have the right to do whatever they want; Obama, Edwards, and Huckabee support net neutrality.
I don’t expect Hillary to do anything that displeases her backers, at least not yet. She might change out of desperation if she badly loses in New Hampshire.
Because some people want it and some people (the insurance industry, pharmaceuticals etc.) don’t?
Problem? Maybe it’s Hillary? (See, e.g., JoeBuck at 187 above.)
Matt Stoller actually says;
“It’s a really interesting idea, and would certainly build credibility for Clinton on the leadership front. Obama’s (and Edwards’s) weakness, heretofore unexploited, is that, though he’s running on a message of change, he’s never actually led on any substantive change. So Obama is something of a cipher. Clinton needs to emphasize this uncertainty and contrast her readiness to lead by doing something bold and dramatic. The FISA fight is Bush’s top priority this year, and bringing some partisan heat to a national security issue might help reposition her as the candidate able and willing to make real change instead of just inspiring people with vague rhetoric.”
Another thing to look at missed votes http://projects.washingtonpost…..e-missers/
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..votes.html