Comments on: FDL Book Salon: Fall Of The House Of Bush http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:39:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: MarieRoget http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185529 MarieRoget Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:52:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185529 <p>Thanks for taking the time to be @ FDL today, Craig. Late to the party- just finished reading the comments & will be ordering your book shortly from Amazon.</p> <p>Just FYI, John Anderson & others on this thread, Pat Lang is a lifelong Democrat, albeit a somewhat conservative one. </p> <p>I’m a relative, so know his politics very well.</p> Thanks for taking the time to be @ FDL today, Craig. Late to the party- just finished reading the comments & will be ordering your book shortly from Amazon.

Just FYI, John Anderson & others on this thread, Pat Lang is a lifelong Democrat, albeit a somewhat conservative one.

I’m a relative, so know his politics very well.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185201 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:02:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185201 <p>I got nothing on this.</p> I got nothing on this.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185187 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:00:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185187 <p>This is sort of a sequel to House of Bush, House of Saud. In any case, the Iraq War was just starting as I finished HOBHOS, so I added a chapter on it. I’m pleased to say that I think it holds up quite well, but I realized I certainly did not get to the root causes of the war, and I think even though there have been many excellent books about the Iraq War, for the most part they don’t explain how and why we went there. It’s amazing how much they ignore the ideology of the neocons, their history, how they came together with the Christian Right.</p> <p>In retrospect, I’m quite proud of both books. The first appears to have done better commercially, but I think this tackles more important historical themes.</p> This is sort of a sequel to House of Bush, House of Saud. In any case, the Iraq War was just starting as I finished HOBHOS, so I added a chapter on it. I’m pleased to say that I think it holds up quite well, but I realized I certainly did not get to the root causes of the war, and I think even though there have been many excellent books about the Iraq War, for the most part they don’t explain how and why we went there. It’s amazing how much they ignore the ideology of the neocons, their history, how they came together with the Christian Right.

In retrospect, I’m quite proud of both books. The first appears to have done better commercially, but I think this tackles more important historical themes.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185169 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:57:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185169 <p>I have no idea. The neocons will want to get jobs with whoever wins the nomination, so if Huckabee looks like a winner, they may hitch their wagons to him…</p> I have no idea. The neocons will want to get jobs with whoever wins the nomination, so if Huckabee looks like a winner, they may hitch their wagons to him…

]]> By: hackworth http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185149 hackworth Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:55:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185149 <p>Craig, if you are still here, are there any similarities bewtween House of B House of S and this new book? Does this book take off where the other ends, so to speak? How do you feel about House of B House of Saud in retrospect? I think it is a wonderful piece of work.</p> Craig, if you are still here, are there any similarities bewtween House of B House of S and this new book? Does this book take off where the other ends, so to speak? How do you feel about House of B House of Saud in retrospect? I think it is a wonderful piece of work.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185092 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:49:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185092 <p>Good question–but its the subject for another book–or several. In brief, organized labor has been disintegrating for the last thirty years. In addition, I think victories by the Left–in civil rights, gay rights, and feminism– have paradoxically robbed the Left of its passion. An important case in point is abortion. Roe v. Wade was a huge victory for feminists, but it ignited the passions of the religious right and became the most important event in politicizing the Christian Right.</p> Good question–but its the subject for another book–or several. In brief, organized labor has been disintegrating for the last thirty years. In addition, I think victories by the Left–in civil rights, gay rights, and feminism– have paradoxically robbed the Left of its passion. An important case in point is abortion. Roe v. Wade was a huge victory for feminists, but it ignited the passions of the religious right and became the most important event in politicizing the Christian Right.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185049 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:44:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1185049 <p>I do. As I mentioned, a number of people close to Bush 41 started talking to me last summer. I suspect a whole lot of secrets will unravel once they are out of power.</p> I do. As I mentioned, a number of people close to Bush 41 started talking to me last summer. I suspect a whole lot of secrets will unravel once they are out of power.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184334 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:53:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184334 <p>Right. I loved the phrase “dog whistle politics,”– I used it as a chapter title. But it was coined by a Karl Rove colleague to talk about speaking in code.</p> Right. I loved the phrase “dog whistle politics,”– I used it as a chapter title. But it was coined by a Karl Rove colleague to talk about speaking in code.

]]> By: craigunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184296 craigunger Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184296 <p>The neocons and theocons play very different roles, of course. The neocons are essentially and intellectual vanguard that hopes to play the role of policymakers in each administration. But they’ve never really had electoral clout and don’t have it now–they simply attach themselves (or try to) to whichever candidate wins. They even cozied up to Clinton (James Woolsey got the CIA, you’ll recall.)</p> <p>The theocons still have enormous electoral power. So even though most of the leading GOP candidates were NOT genuine evangelicals, they were forced to pander to them. As a result, we see almost comical alliances such as Giuliani and Pat Robertson.</p> The neocons and theocons play very different roles, of course. The neocons are essentially and intellectual vanguard that hopes to play the role of policymakers in each administration. But they’ve never really had electoral clout and don’t have it now–they simply attach themselves (or try to) to whichever candidate wins. They even cozied up to Clinton (James Woolsey got the CIA, you’ll recall.)

The theocons still have enormous electoral power. So even though most of the leading GOP candidates were NOT genuine evangelicals, they were forced to pander to them. As a result, we see almost comical alliances such as Giuliani and Pat Robertson.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184256 PetePierce Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:38:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/05/fdl-book-salon-fall-of-the-house-of-bush/#comment-1184256 <p>The Republicans are on stage now, asserting how Christy and how long (forever) they intend to keep the slaughter of Americans and Iraqis and loss of treasure going–at little personal cost to themselves.</p> <p>McCain’s kid may go there–Romney’s sons are quintissential for American Chickenhawk offspring.</p> <p>One interesting facet of the Democratic debate tonight on ABC:</p> <p>There are only four and the format is better. Applause forbidden and they are encouraged to talk to each other–although we never really have classic debates–they’ll always be sound byte pushing.</p> <p>Democrats debating tonight after Republicans:</p> <p>Edwards</p> <p>Obama</p> <p>The Nation’s Newest Obama Girl <strong>Hillary Obama Girl Clinton</strong>–”I gotta findout if change was discussed at Wellsley–anybody got a dictionary—cause I’m Hillary Change Change Change Clinton. What does change mean?”</p> <p>Richardson</p> The Republicans are on stage now, asserting how Christy and how long (forever) they intend to keep the slaughter of Americans and Iraqis and loss of treasure going–at little personal cost to themselves.

McCain’s kid may go there–Romney’s sons are quintissential for American Chickenhawk offspring.

One interesting facet of the Democratic debate tonight on ABC:

There are only four and the format is better. Applause forbidden and they are encouraged to talk to each other–although we never really have classic debates–they’ll always be sound byte pushing.

Democrats debating tonight after Republicans:

Edwards

Obama

The Nation’s Newest Obama Girl Hillary Obama Girl Clinton–”I gotta findout if change was discussed at Wellsley–anybody got a dictionary—cause I’m Hillary Change Change Change Clinton. What does change mean?”

Richardson

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