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Jane!

”Secret Service agents came after O’Reilly pushed Nicholson and the agents flanked O’Reily.

Lame. For all the money we spend on security, couldn’t they have used a stun gun or sumptin’?

Wow, that didn’t take long, did it?

Morning, Jane and firepups. I’ve been telling my friends this is gonna be one weird year, politically and otherwise. So far it looks like I’m right.

And so it’s begun. As I said in the last thread, a racial attack (physically or ideologically) on Obama will backfire in most parts of the country except in the South. The Sevret Service better beef up security around him. The die is cast…

If felafels are outlawed,
only outlaws will have felafels.

But seriously, this wasclearly a setup by
Obama, the Secret Service and Bill Clinton.

Jane I am afraid of this kind of shit!! But there are many crazies out thier who are good Christians but as bigoted as hell, if you aren’t lily white you are trash and it will only get worse. Can’t wait to see the pictures. I wonder if any one any audio of the dust up?/

Don’t taze me, bro!

Motherfucking BillO got no fucking class.

But I guess you knew that already.

Whatta fucking asshole. Geez.

O’Reilly simply put, is rude. He has no class.

LOL

BillO’ needs tranqualizers.

Wow they flanked O’Reily, what a statement that is.

Now seeing Billo writhing in pain on the floor just makes me warm and fuzzy!!
Tase the bastard!!

Hi, Jane and everyone!

My brother-in-law actually said to me with a straight face that O’Reilly is “politically moderate”. Talk about the Overton Window.

Where are those t*sers when you need them!

Don’t tase me, bro…

Folks, the GOP is going to co into serious meltdown mode.

O’Reilly state himself—-”The white, male Christian” orthodoxy is under attack.

They are going to start swinging wildly.

How soon before the McVeigh’s come out of the woodworks?

-G

A nice video would suit me just fine.

O’Reilly is “politically moderate”.

Yeah, sure. Billo is politically moderate because he had lunch with Al Sharpton at Sylvia’s…

Jeffrey Feldman has expressed concern about the high possibility of violence against Democrats this election cycle.
Return of 1990s-Style Right-Wing Violence?
CONGRESSMAN USES FAKE QUOTE FROM LINCOLN TO SAY DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE “ARRESTED, EXILED OR HANGED”

Recently, individual Republicans taking matters into their own hands–not connected to, but seemingly inspired by, the Catholic League’s smear campaign against John Edwards–sent hate mail calling for the sodomy, rape and murder of Democratic staffers. On the heels of those disturbing death threats, Congressman Don Young (R-AK) used a fake quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln to argue that Democrats who criticized the President’s Iraq policy deserved to be “arrested, exiled or hanged.”

Why iz zis night different from all otherz?

O’Liely showed up at HRC’s event, and got a girl to ask HRC how exactly she would get us out of Iraq….HRC coyly looked at him and cooly answered the question, very well, I thought…saying she would immediately upon inauguration meet with the military and tell them she wanted a plan from them to start removing troops within 60 days…she then went on to explain that she had asked Gates via letter, as to what the plans to leave Iraq were, etc., and she ended by saying that she was told in closed door session that no such plans exist, because Bushco has no plans to leave, period.

Shut Billo right up.

That got me too!!

It’s warm here today. It’s weird. My lady has suggested she and I go fishing for ‘cats’ on the Red River (about two miles from my keyboard). Of course I know what she’s doing. An attempt is being made to take my mind off politics. And I think it’s a good idea. Lord I love this woman. And I luv to fish. I catch ‘em and cook ‘em; she cleans them. That’s the deal of the day. Later ya’ll. ;0)

Oh fresh cats…. enjoy!

… and let’s not forget the Brooks Brothers clad thugs who terrorized the vote counters in Florida.

She cleans them for you? Now that’s love. :)

Enjoy the day, and your dinner.

Don’t go over to DKos much anymore but there is an excellent diary up on the media mention disparity among the top three Dems.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....142/431084

Before this is all over Bill O’Reilley will either be incarerated or executed.

Guess which I’m rooting for.

Begs the question, Is Bill O’Reily a threat to national security?

You know he would be asking if this happened to Rosie O’Donnell.

Cindy Sheehan or Code Pink would have been arrested….

Besides, at a Bush event…you get arrested for having the wrong T-shirt on, nevermind pushing, shoving, and yelling!!!

IOKIYAR

As Christy has noted on more than one occasion, the Secret Service takes their job *very* seriously. I’m guessing that even Bill O sobered up a bit when the folks with the earpieces came alongside.

Does Fox News approve of this kind of behavior? I’m sure MSNBC does; I can’t wait to see Olbermann’s take on it

All Dem candidates should just say, Bill Who??????? Security!!!

How predictable. It was only a matter of time before BillO’s bombastic bloviating and bullying would spill over to physical bullying. He’s always threatening to beat people up. I would like to see him receive his just desserts.

So true!!!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....sp?id=1688

Cartoon.

An application for restraining order might be in line. Would be particularly choice if requested by the SS.

a racial attack (physically or ideologically) on Obama will backfire in most parts of the country except in the South.

They will simply assure their own destruction. There will be no Kristallnacht.

Billo may have been hoping to get cold cocked by a six foot eight body guard- this he would wear as a badge of honor for decades- and would give him the ammunition to attack Obama as a gang banging thug.

I saw that over on Americablog but what it did is make me think of the two terms of Lincoln’s Presidency….. states leaving the union, civil war, thousands dead and ending in an assassination.

Sometimes knowing history can put a different slant on a point a view. I also am an older voter. *g*

What is it called when the law applies differently to different individuals?

“John Mark Huckabee, 31, who had been in Iowa to help his father campaign, was traveling home to Arkansas with family friends David and Debbie Haak of Texarkana, Ark., when the accident occurred Friday morning, the campaign said in a statement.

The Haaks’ car was traveling south on Interstate 35 when it was struck on the passenger side by a vehicle on an entrance ramp, the statement said. Witnesses called police and emergency workers.

Huckabee’s son and the Haaks were taken to a hospital, treated for minor injuries and released. Police issued a citation to the driver of the car that struck the Haaks’ vehicle, the statement said.”

http://www.rawstory.com/news/m.....42008.html

I agree.

The nation is pretty damn fed up with all things Bush and GOP.

Don’t believe that they are all powerful.

2006 ripped that mask off.

-G

Obama should have all of his venues screen for the screamers (wingnuts) just like Busco

o’Reilly should have been arrested.

Billo was apparently restrained by the secret service following the incident- watch him turn that into a secret service plot with the liberals!

In a free society the thing a egotistical zeaolots fear most…being “ignored.” Bill O’s zeal is dysfunctional because of his absolutisms. The fact that Obama would not regognize him infuriated Bill O and he lost it. What a “jerk.”

Kucinich live on CSPAN Talking about FCC Filing and snubbing by ABC!

Perhaps this is an appropriate time to remind folks that comments which advocate violence against another person will be removed from the thread.

Thanks.

Tyranny.

By the way, it might be against the rules here to advocate violence and I’m not. All i’m saying is if thier people wanna get pysical with our people, we need people to respond in kind. I know I sound like a high school kid but Repugs have won election after election by getting the votes of people mentality and intelligence of high school kids - and lower. Don’t write them off.

Billo may have been hoping to get cold cocked by a six foot eight body guard- this he would wear as a badge of honor for decades- and would give him the ammunition to attack Obama as a gang banging thug.

Getting cold-cocked by the Secret Service, on the other hand, could give Bill’s corporate masters at Faux the ammunition to show him the door. “Fox coddles thug taken down by the Secret Service” is a headline they do NOT want to see, no matter how right wing they are.

Bingo.

If Nicholson had struck O’Reilly, there is no doubt that it would have ended with Nicholson’s firing by Obama. None.

o’Reilly should have been arrested.

That would be the worst thing to do. James @ 50 is right. Ignore them, that really is their worst nightmare.

Peterr

Yep– that could do it.

O’Reiley should hve gotten his ass handed to him. It would have helped Obama lose the “too nice” label if one of his people just gave O’Lieley what he deserved.

o’Reilly is too old and feeble to fight. He’s a big-mouthed mean old lying hypocrite of a felafel afficionado. First, he would take the loofah and the soap….Then, he would bust out the felafel…

Oh, Beerfart, I don’t think a punch in the nose is exactly Violence.
You’re a good man, don’t worry about it. :)
It would be funny though to see him with a bandage, black eyes and listen to His side of it. Ha!

However, I think a letter of warning to Bill telling him in no uncertain terms that physically putting his hands on people will not be tolerated might be a good idea. That would shift the onus back onto O’Reilly and put him on the defensive.

first- oreily just drumming up news footage. That’s all.
Second. Did ya catch the news that the scumbag reappointed stickler to head mine safety? An acting appointment. I guess that was the only way open for the ass hole. Man constantly show his total disregard for the constitution.
BUT- Impeachment is off the table!
Thanks harry and nancy, don’t know what we’d do without ya!

Then I would have lost alot of respect for the O-man and so would alot of people, I think. There’s always alot of talk here about “fighting back.” That’s all he would have been doing and I would hope the Big O would have supported him. But enough of that. it’s over and done with. Until O’Lieley’s next show.

Oh, Beerfart, I don’t think a punch in the nose is exactly Violence.

Exactly in what universe is physical violence not physical violence?

Now I am really sad that I missed Edwards due to dentist appointment and Obama due to kid duty (although that is pretty fun).

I will be interested to see if Obama people take action against O’Lielly - they have literally been assaulted by the right (note: since I think Fox may not actually be fair and balanced).

asult and battery charges should be made.

See if Obama has the courage.

If not The Republicans are going to dance all over him.

And so it’s begun. As I said in the last thread, a racial attack (physically or ideologically) on Obama will backfire in most parts of the country except in the South.

it will especially backfire in the south, while there are still kkk’rs and fascists that maraude as republicans, most people have evolved and do NOT want to get into a tribal war (forgive the term)

this president and these fascists are doing what they want to do however;

they want to create a civil rife, they want a civil war, they believe they will win it this time around, they think it is ‘white against black’ when it’s really “us and anyone who’s differant.

there are no “whites” in this country but they don’t get that yet, they don’t know they will be the next target or the target after that

civil war, it’s what they want

Per the Rasmussen poll for New Hamphire Dem Primary: Obama 37%; Clinton 27%; Edwards 19%; Richardson 8%; Kucinich 3%; Gravel 1%.

Bill also got busted earlier asking someone else to ask Hillary a question at her townhall thing. admittedly, not the passion of the Obama scuffle, but it’s just fun to watch Bill O’ Having A Very Bad Morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678M-DKVlfo

Assault is the yelling part. Battery is the shoving part. Its a twofer and a slam dunk. Charge O’Reilly with assault and battery.

Second. Did ya catch the news that the scumbag reappointed stickler to head mine safety? An acting appointment.

the very purpose, the only purpose of this administration is to remove government restraint, they want corporations to be able to do anything and everything with no responsibility for their decisions

it’s their very purpose

Really, my comment was to Beerfart. Maybe, you missed my point.
You don’t have to go there with me.
But, you can, of course.

asult and battery charges should be made.

This is ridiculous. No one was “assaulted”.

I don’t think any one here in the lake actually is advocating viloence, they are just hoping BillO and his ilk get there just due. We all know the rethugs would’nt even blink an eye over using viloence!!

I don’t either. That’s why I don’t think O would have fired the guy. But I can appreciate the guy wanting to act with restraint. It’s not exactly violence. You’re right. I’m just sayin’ that at 6′8″ Nicholson probabl;y could have dropped that sack o’ shit with one punch.

I’m sorry, but I’m just tired of those people even thinking they can do that kinda shit to our people. That kinda stuff probbaly isn’t uncommon in the course of a campaign. This incident is no big deal really. i was trying to make a larger point about not being “too nice” anymore.

It’s not up to Obama to decide about pressing charges. He wasn’t attacked. I’d say the staffer and the Secret Service would have much more to say about any charges.

Maybe, you missed my point.

Maybe I did, so please inform he how punching someone is not violence and why you support that?

And an excellent point. Nice restraint to turn the other cheek during the physical confrontation (in this case). File something on him instead.

I’ve said it before. It will get nasty. I hope Alexrod has a plan to combat it. The madrassa thing is only the start. I am suprised we haven’t heard any Huey Newton or Malcolm X nonsense from O’Falafel and Co. yet. They are that sick and disgusting.

any nonconsensual touching.

The Nashua rally was covered live this morning on CSPAN. Obama had promised the overflow crowd that couldn’t get in hand shakes outside the gym after his speech. Not overly rushed, it showed Obama politely making his way out from a very enthusiastic crowd. CSPAN even interviewed a couple of people in the gym afterward, no harm no foul apparent.

O’Reilly yells, grabs and shoves at an Obama event and he gets “flanked”. Mike Stark asked questions at an Allen event and he got tackled and dragged away. IOKIYAR; in the Republican universe violence is only the behavior they object to; never their own.

What nah said. That’s what I meant.

Right and because we don’t think the rethugs would stop at violence, we have to be that much better than them and not even provide a hint of impropriety. Cuz we’re not them, we can’t use their tactics.

Kinda like the US used to be when we claimed that we were morally superior and didn’t torture even if other countries did.

Bill O’Liely’s problem is Bill O’Liely’s problem…

Obama is not the problem, so there is nothing for Pro-torture, Pro-violence Republicans to dance all over him for..Obama and the rest of the Dems are way above that..

I can’t speak for demi, but in my view, violence is, like, pummeling the living shit outta somebody and I don’t advocate that.

Well, it’s not ultraviolence.

This is the other reason that Obama has to thread much more of a needle than John Edwards.

Angry Black men scare lots of Americans, including Jonah Goldberg.

Angry White men, not as much.

-G

Rasmussen poll for New Hamphire Dem Primary

This leaves me less than pleased.

I was struck by all the political pundits predicting that with Obama winning the Iowa primary that racism in America will disappear and that dark period of our history will be forgotten. Who are they trying to kid?

I don’t usually support violence. But, there are different kinds.
My point was to tell Beerfart, it’s okay to say what he said.
And, by the way, in my universe grabbing is assault.
But, if you’ve got a low blood sugar issue, I’ve got a really fine pot of homemade chili on the stove and cornbread in the oven that I’d be happy to share a bowl of with you.
It’s non-violent chili, btw. :)

Intriguing. The right wing talking point is clearly that Obama’s supporters are going to get “rowdy” (wink wink, nudge nudge) if things don’t go Obama’s way. Personally, I think O’Reilly was just being his usual asshole self, but there’s an outside chance that he was deliberately trying to provoke an incident to advance the talking point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlP8EXbm6Is

we can’t really be this stupid?

I am sure they edited out the answers that were accurate, I am sure there would be a good amount of people in other countries equally detached

but still, you’ll have a hoot

O’Reilly yells, grabs and shoves at an Obama event and he gets “flanked”.

That was the right way to handle it. Good move on their part.

Mike Stark asked questions at an Allen event and he got tackled and dragged away.

That was the wrong way to handle it. Bad move for them and it backfired on them. It was one of the contributors to his being defeated.

Laying hands on another person in anger constitutes violence. You may not like that but a court would agree with me.

I always say this whole thing with friction and flag burining and Katrina hitting because of abortion clinics is all a pile of crap while that last few bags of money are unloaded from the vault.

Hopefully circus time is over.

Zogby said jast night, I think, Edwards was at 20 and thought that was good news for Edwards.

It’s non-violent chili, btw. :)

What’d the cow have to say about that?

Thanks for the bingo LS

BTW RBG @51 Violence? Who is advocating violence? What a bull*hit “Nanny” approach Why even raise the issue? BTW did S 1959 already become law? Would this web site feel intimidated by such restrictions on speech? What junk? I suppose the speech advocating revolution against the King of England and his corrupt cohorts in corporate crime giving rise to America, would be illegal today and subject to deletion by the thought “control police.” Twisted logic……… Thanks Jane Harmon for HR 1955? Another law to protect us from ourselves……

I just forwarded the Daily Kos diary to Bill Moyers Journal, the Now show and pitched the John Edwards exclusion story to NPR. Wouldn’t hurt for them to hear from more of us.

Zogby said jast night, I think, Edwards was at 20 and thought that was good news for Edwards.

How’zat good news? I’m not knowledgeable enough to independently assess these claims, but I have read that if Edwards does not win NH outright, he is toast.

It’s also an assault. Also if you drop the “in anger” part as long as it’s intentional (or reckless, blah, blah, blah.)

Ah, three kinda beans, tomatoes, olives, onion, bell peppers and celery.
You know what they say about assuming….

Laying hands on another person in anger constitutes violence. You may not like that but a court would agree with me.

What I am reading in this thread is that laying hands on “our guy” is violence and in return we should punch then out which is apparently “not violence”. I guess because we are tired of not wining elections or something. That is what I hear.

It is absolutely the wrong way to go.

Dennis Kucinich, Kicking butts on C-Span! No wonder they do not want him on the MSM Outlets Who needs ABC NBC CBS FOX CNN. America has C-Span!

Kucinich is one of a sober few, among drunks…………

live blog pour favor?

paraphrasing is acceptable

It’s not up to Obama to decide about pressing charges. He wasn’t attacked. I’d say the staffer and the Secret Service would have much more to say about any charges.

In this age of ubiquitous videos, it’s a bit weird that there’s no video footage. Too bad, as it would make the pushing/shouting incident far more vivid. But if the shoving amounted to 3rd or 4th degreee assault, and the SS guys are in a position to file reports that indicate that level of violence, the responsible thing for the staffer to do is to press charges. Pure and simple….

I’m not at all surprised that this occurred. There will be more violence at Obama events and at Clinton events. I’m worried about both of them, praying for their safety.

Just reading for a minute and found this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....79954.html
not sure it had been posted

He’d never been that high in Zogby’s poll and that’s good news. And Hillary’s numbers were of course declining so there is an opportunity for him to gain some if that continues, and make it a closer three way race. I’m not writing him off if he doen’t win. butif the Big O wins it’s gonna be tough if not impossible for anybody.

What I am reading in this thread is that laying hands on “our guy” is violence and in return we should punch then out which is apparently “not violence”. I guess because we are tired of not wining elections or something. That is what I hear.

It is absolutely the wrong way to go.

No. Laying hands on anybody is “violence”. Punching someone out in return is “self defense”. I agree with you, though. It would have been the wrong thing to do. Nicholson handled this exactly the way he should have. And now Bill (and FOX News) have a black mark with the Secret Service.

Comments from wingers at the Chicago Sun-Times’ blog on this are telling:

Hey, it’s a tough business and you have to be boisterous to get a candidate’s attention sometimes. I wouldn’t doubt if this Nicholson guy was blocking O’Reilly intentionally because of his perceived right lean. Bodyguards have crappy attitudes as well. This isn’t even news worthy.

CSPAN has part of it. I was amazed. It was basically O reilly tryng to book OPbama as a guest.

This is what I saw

The Big Fascist Pig brown nosing Barack yelling “You’re a good guy. You’re a good Guy”
And Obama, shaking hands witt the crowd and nodding to O Reilly, saying, “After New Hamphire”
“We’ll hook up.”

O’Reilly continues shouting, and Obama continues “But after New Hampsire, we’ll hook up” and Barack moved on.
Oreilly, who was at the wall of the hall, slithered out.

Thank you FrankProbst, I’m glad to see that there is no real disagreement.