Jonah Goldberg predicted it. Glen Reynolds nodded in sage assent. The campaign of Barack Obama will inevitably lead to violence on the campaign trail. " I seriously think certain segments of American political life will become completely unhinged," said Goldberg. We scoffed. And yet — it has come to pass:
Bombastic Fox News host Bill O’Reilly got into a confrontation with an Obama aide after O’Reilly started screaming at him as he tried to get Barack Obama’s attention following a rally here.
The incident was triggered when O’Reilly–with a Fox News crew shooting–was screaming at Obama National Trip Director Marvin Nicholson “Move” so he could get Obama’s attention, according to several eyewitnesses. “O’Reilly was yelling at him, yelling at his face,” a photographer shooting the scene said.
O’Reilly grabbed Nicholson’s arm, said “move” and shoved him, another eyewitness said. Nicholson, who is 6′8 said O”Reilly called him “low class.”
Secret Service agents came after O’Reilly pushed Nicholson and the agents flanked O’Reily.
Obama had his back turned at this point and did not see any of this. O’Reilly yelled “sir” at Obama and Obama walked over, not aware of what happened and told him he had an overflow crowd to visit. According to the time code from a photographer shooting the two, Obama and O’Reilly talked about 12 seconds near 11:45 a.m. eastern time.
The situation took place near a basketball hoop in the gym at Nashua North High School where Obama just addressed a jammed rally.
There is evidently no video tape of the kerfuffle, but a photographer from Polaris reportedly got some stills.
I guess we’ll get to see who comes "unhinged."
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Jane!
Lame. For all the money we spend on security, couldn’t they have used a stun gun or sumptin’?
Wow, that didn’t take long, did it?
Morning, Jane and firepups. I’ve been telling my friends this is gonna be one weird year, politically and otherwise. So far it looks like I’m right.
And so it’s begun. As I said in the last thread, a racial attack (physically or ideologically) on Obama will backfire in most parts of the country except in the South. The Sevret Service better beef up security around him. The die is cast…
If felafels are outlawed,
only outlaws will have felafels.
But seriously, this wasclearly a setup by
Obama, the Secret Service and Bill Clinton.
Jane I am afraid of this kind of shit!! But there are many crazies out thier who are good Christians but as bigoted as hell, if you aren’t lily white you are trash and it will only get worse. Can’t wait to see the pictures. I wonder if any one any audio of the dust up?/
Don’t taze me, bro!
Motherfucking BillO got no fucking class.
But I guess you knew that already.
Whatta fucking asshole. Geez.
O’Reilly simply put, is rude. He has no class.
LOL
BillO’ needs tranqualizers.
Wow they flanked O’Reily, what a statement that is.
Now seeing Billo writhing in pain on the floor just makes me warm and fuzzy!!
Tase the bastard!!
Hi, Jane and everyone!
My brother-in-law actually said to me with a straight face that O’Reilly is “politically moderate”. Talk about the Overton Window.
Where are those t*sers when you need them!
Don’t tase me, bro…
Folks, the GOP is going to co into serious meltdown mode.
O’Reilly state himself—-”The white, male Christian” orthodoxy is under attack.
They are going to start swinging wildly.
How soon before the McVeigh’s come out of the woodworks?
-G
A nice video would suit me just fine.
Yeah, sure. Billo is politically moderate because he had lunch with Al Sharpton at Sylvia’s…
Jeffrey Feldman has expressed concern about the high possibility of violence against Democrats this election cycle.
Return of 1990s-Style Right-Wing Violence?
CONGRESSMAN USES FAKE QUOTE FROM LINCOLN TO SAY DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE “ARRESTED, EXILED OR HANGED”
Why iz zis night different from all otherz?
O’Liely showed up at HRC’s event, and got a girl to ask HRC how exactly she would get us out of Iraq….HRC coyly looked at him and cooly answered the question, very well, I thought…saying she would immediately upon inauguration meet with the military and tell them she wanted a plan from them to start removing troops within 60 days…she then went on to explain that she had asked Gates via letter, as to what the plans to leave Iraq were, etc., and she ended by saying that she was told in closed door session that no such plans exist, because Bushco has no plans to leave, period.
Shut Billo right up.
That got me too!!
It’s warm here today. It’s weird. My lady has suggested she and I go fishing for ‘cats’ on the Red River (about two miles from my keyboard). Of course I know what she’s doing. An attempt is being made to take my mind off politics. And I think it’s a good idea. Lord I love this woman. And I luv to fish. I catch ‘em and cook ‘em; she cleans them. That’s the deal of the day. Later ya’ll. ;0)
Oh fresh cats…. enjoy!
… and let’s not forget the Brooks Brothers clad thugs who terrorized the vote counters in Florida.
She cleans them for you? Now that’s love. :)
Enjoy the day, and your dinner.
Don’t go over to DKos much anymore but there is an excellent diary up on the media mention disparity among the top three Dems.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..142/431084
Before this is all over Bill O’Reilley will either be incarerated or executed.
Guess which I’m rooting for.
Begs the question, Is Bill O’Reily a threat to national security?
You know he would be asking if this happened to Rosie O’Donnell.
Cindy Sheehan or Code Pink would have been arrested….
Besides, at a Bush event…you get arrested for having the wrong T-shirt on, nevermind pushing, shoving, and yelling!!!
IOKIYAR
As Christy has noted on more than one occasion, the Secret Service takes their job *very* seriously. I’m guessing that even Bill O sobered up a bit when the folks with the earpieces came alongside.
Does Fox News approve of this kind of behavior? I’m sure MSNBC does; I can’t wait to see Olbermann’s take on it
All Dem candidates should just say, Bill Who??????? Security!!!
How predictable. It was only a matter of time before BillO’s bombastic bloviating and bullying would spill over to physical bullying. He’s always threatening to beat people up. I would like to see him receive his just desserts.
So true!!!
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..sp?id=1688
Cartoon.
An application for restraining order might be in line. Would be particularly choice if requested by the SS.
They will simply assure their own destruction. There will be no Kristallnacht.
Billo may have been hoping to get cold cocked by a six foot eight body guard- this he would wear as a badge of honor for decades- and would give him the ammunition to attack Obama as a gang banging thug.
I saw that over on Americablog but what it did is make me think of the two terms of Lincoln’s Presidency….. states leaving the union, civil war, thousands dead and ending in an assassination.
Sometimes knowing history can put a different slant on a point a view. I also am an older voter. *g*
What is it called when the law applies differently to different individuals?
“John Mark Huckabee, 31, who had been in Iowa to help his father campaign, was traveling home to Arkansas with family friends David and Debbie Haak of Texarkana, Ark., when the accident occurred Friday morning, the campaign said in a statement.
The Haaks’ car was traveling south on Interstate 35 when it was struck on the passenger side by a vehicle on an entrance ramp, the statement said. Witnesses called police and emergency workers.
Huckabee’s son and the Haaks were taken to a hospital, treated for minor injuries and released. Police issued a citation to the driver of the car that struck the Haaks’ vehicle, the statement said.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/m…..42008.html
I agree.
The nation is pretty damn fed up with all things Bush and GOP.
Don’t believe that they are all powerful.
2006 ripped that mask off.
-G
Obama should have all of his venues screen for the screamers (wingnuts) just like Busco
o’Reilly should have been arrested.
Billo was apparently restrained by the secret service following the incident- watch him turn that into a secret service plot with the liberals!
In a free society the thing a egotistical zeaolots fear most…being “ignored.” Bill O’s zeal is dysfunctional because of his absolutisms. The fact that Obama would not regognize him infuriated Bill O and he lost it. What a “jerk.”
Kucinich live on CSPAN Talking about FCC Filing and snubbing by ABC!
Perhaps this is an appropriate time to remind folks that comments which advocate violence against another person will be removed from the thread.
Thanks.
Tyranny.
By the way, it might be against the rules here to advocate violence and I’m not. All i’m saying is if thier people wanna get pysical with our people, we need people to respond in kind. I know I sound like a high school kid but Repugs have won election after election by getting the votes of people mentality and intelligence of high school kids – and lower. Don’t write them off.
Getting cold-cocked by the Secret Service, on the other hand, could give Bill’s corporate masters at Faux the ammunition to show him the door. “Fox coddles thug taken down by the Secret Service” is a headline they do NOT want to see, no matter how right wing they are.
Bingo.
If Nicholson had struck O’Reilly, there is no doubt that it would have ended with Nicholson’s firing by Obama. None.
That would be the worst thing to do. James @ 50 is right. Ignore them, that really is their worst nightmare.
Peterr
Yep– that could do it.
O’Reiley should hve gotten his ass handed to him. It would have helped Obama lose the “too nice” label if one of his people just gave O’Lieley what he deserved.
o’Reilly is too old and feeble to fight. He’s a big-mouthed mean old lying hypocrite of a felafel afficionado. First, he would take the loofah and the soap….Then, he would bust out the felafel…
Oh, Beerfart, I don’t think a punch in the nose is exactly Violence.
You’re a good man, don’t worry about it. :)
It would be funny though to see him with a bandage, black eyes and listen to His side of it. Ha!
However, I think a letter of warning to Bill telling him in no uncertain terms that physically putting his hands on people will not be tolerated might be a good idea. That would shift the onus back onto O’Reilly and put him on the defensive.
first- oreily just drumming up news footage. That’s all.
Second. Did ya catch the news that the scumbag reappointed stickler to head mine safety? An acting appointment. I guess that was the only way open for the ass hole. Man constantly show his total disregard for the constitution.
BUT- Impeachment is off the table!
Thanks harry and nancy, don’t know what we’d do without ya!
Then I would have lost alot of respect for the O-man and so would alot of people, I think. There’s always alot of talk here about “fighting back.” That’s all he would have been doing and I would hope the Big O would have supported him. But enough of that. it’s over and done with. Until O’Lieley’s next show.
Exactly in what universe is physical violence not physical violence?
Now I am really sad that I missed Edwards due to dentist appointment and Obama due to kid duty (although that is pretty fun).
I will be interested to see if Obama people take action against O’Lielly – they have literally been assaulted by the right (note: since I think Fox may not actually be fair and balanced).
asult and battery charges should be made.
See if Obama has the courage.
If not The Republicans are going to dance all over him.
it will especially backfire in the south, while there are still kkk’rs and fascists that maraude as republicans, most people have evolved and do NOT want to get into a tribal war (forgive the term)
this president and these fascists are doing what they want to do however;
they want to create a civil rife, they want a civil war, they believe they will win it this time around, they think it is ‘white against black’ when it’s really “us and anyone who’s differant.
there are no “whites” in this country but they don’t get that yet, they don’t know they will be the next target or the target after that
civil war, it’s what they want
Per the Rasmussen poll for New Hamphire Dem Primary: Obama 37%; Clinton 27%; Edwards 19%; Richardson 8%; Kucinich 3%; Gravel 1%.
Bill also got busted earlier asking someone else to ask Hillary a question at her townhall thing. admittedly, not the passion of the Obama scuffle, but it’s just fun to watch Bill O’ Having A Very Bad Morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678M-DKVlfo
Assault is the yelling part. Battery is the shoving part. Its a twofer and a slam dunk. Charge O’Reilly with assault and battery.
the very purpose, the only purpose of this administration is to remove government restraint, they want corporations to be able to do anything and everything with no responsibility for their decisions
it’s their very purpose
Really, my comment was to Beerfart. Maybe, you missed my point.
You don’t have to go there with me.
But, you can, of course.
This is ridiculous. No one was “assaulted”.
I don’t think any one here in the lake actually is advocating viloence, they are just hoping BillO and his ilk get there just due. We all know the rethugs would’nt even blink an eye over using viloence!!
I don’t either. That’s why I don’t think O would have fired the guy. But I can appreciate the guy wanting to act with restraint. It’s not exactly violence. You’re right. I’m just sayin’ that at 6′8″ Nicholson probabl;y could have dropped that sack o’ shit with one punch.
I’m sorry, but I’m just tired of those people even thinking they can do that kinda shit to our people. That kinda stuff probbaly isn’t uncommon in the course of a campaign. This incident is no big deal really. i was trying to make a larger point about not being “too nice” anymore.
It’s not up to Obama to decide about pressing charges. He wasn’t attacked. I’d say the staffer and the Secret Service would have much more to say about any charges.
Maybe I did, so please inform he how punching someone is not violence and why you support that?
And an excellent point. Nice restraint to turn the other cheek during the physical confrontation (in this case). File something on him instead.
I’ve said it before. It will get nasty. I hope Alexrod has a plan to combat it. The madrassa thing is only the start. I am suprised we haven’t heard any Huey Newton or Malcolm X nonsense from O’Falafel and Co. yet. They are that sick and disgusting.
any nonconsensual touching.
The Nashua rally was covered live this morning on CSPAN. Obama had promised the overflow crowd that couldn’t get in hand shakes outside the gym after his speech. Not overly rushed, it showed Obama politely making his way out from a very enthusiastic crowd. CSPAN even interviewed a couple of people in the gym afterward, no harm no foul apparent.
O’Reilly yells, grabs and shoves at an Obama event and he gets “flanked”. Mike Stark asked questions at an Allen event and he got tackled and dragged away. IOKIYAR; in the Republican universe violence is only the behavior they object to; never their own.
What nah said. That’s what I meant.
Right and because we don’t think the rethugs would stop at violence, we have to be that much better than them and not even provide a hint of impropriety. Cuz we’re not them, we can’t use their tactics.
Kinda like the US used to be when we claimed that we were morally superior and didn’t torture even if other countries did.
Bill O’Liely’s problem is Bill O’Liely’s problem…
Obama is not the problem, so there is nothing for Pro-torture, Pro-violence Republicans to dance all over him for..Obama and the rest of the Dems are way above that..
I can’t speak for demi, but in my view, violence is, like, pummeling the living shit outta somebody and I don’t advocate that.
Well, it’s not ultraviolence.
This is the other reason that Obama has to thread much more of a needle than John Edwards.
Angry Black men scare lots of Americans, including Jonah Goldberg.
Angry White men, not as much.
-G
This leaves me less than pleased.
I was struck by all the political pundits predicting that with Obama winning the Iowa primary that racism in America will disappear and that dark period of our history will be forgotten. Who are they trying to kid?
I don’t usually support violence. But, there are different kinds.
My point was to tell Beerfart, it’s okay to say what he said.
And, by the way, in my universe grabbing is assault.
But, if you’ve got a low blood sugar issue, I’ve got a really fine pot of homemade chili on the stove and cornbread in the oven that I’d be happy to share a bowl of with you.
It’s non-violent chili, btw. :)
Intriguing. The right wing talking point is clearly that Obama’s supporters are going to get “rowdy” (wink wink, nudge nudge) if things don’t go Obama’s way. Personally, I think O’Reilly was just being his usual asshole self, but there’s an outside chance that he was deliberately trying to provoke an incident to advance the talking point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlP8EXbm6Is
we can’t really be this stupid?
I am sure they edited out the answers that were accurate, I am sure there would be a good amount of people in other countries equally detached
but still, you’ll have a hoot
That was the right way to handle it. Good move on their part.
That was the wrong way to handle it. Bad move for them and it backfired on them. It was one of the contributors to his being defeated.
Laying hands on another person in anger constitutes violence. You may not like that but a court would agree with me.
I always say this whole thing with friction and flag burining and Katrina hitting because of abortion clinics is all a pile of crap while that last few bags of money are unloaded from the vault.
Hopefully circus time is over.
Zogby said jast night, I think, Edwards was at 20 and thought that was good news for Edwards.
What’d the cow have to say about that?
Thanks for the bingo LS
BTW RBG @51 Violence? Who is advocating violence? What a bull*hit “Nanny” approach Why even raise the issue? BTW did S 1959 already become law? Would this web site feel intimidated by such restrictions on speech? What junk? I suppose the speech advocating revolution against the King of England and his corrupt cohorts in corporate crime giving rise to America, would be illegal today and subject to deletion by the thought “control police.” Twisted logic……… Thanks Jane Harmon for HR 1955? Another law to protect us from ourselves……
I just forwarded the Daily Kos diary to Bill Moyers Journal, the Now show and pitched the John Edwards exclusion story to NPR. Wouldn’t hurt for them to hear from more of us.
How’zat good news? I’m not knowledgeable enough to independently assess these claims, but I have read that if Edwards does not win NH outright, he is toast.
It’s also an assault. Also if you drop the “in anger” part as long as it’s intentional (or reckless, blah, blah, blah.)
Ah, three kinda beans, tomatoes, olives, onion, bell peppers and celery.
You know what they say about assuming….
What I am reading in this thread is that laying hands on “our guy” is violence and in return we should punch then out which is apparently “not violence”. I guess because we are tired of not wining elections or something. That is what I hear.
It is absolutely the wrong way to go.
Dennis Kucinich, Kicking butts on C-Span! No wonder they do not want him on the MSM Outlets Who needs ABC NBC CBS FOX CNN. America has C-Span!
Kucinich is one of a sober few, among drunks…………
live blog pour favor?
paraphrasing is acceptable
It’s not up to Obama to decide about pressing charges. He wasn’t attacked. I’d say the staffer and the Secret Service would have much more to say about any charges.
In this age of ubiquitous videos, it’s a bit weird that there’s no video footage. Too bad, as it would make the pushing/shouting incident far more vivid. But if the shoving amounted to 3rd or 4th degreee assault, and the SS guys are in a position to file reports that indicate that level of violence, the responsible thing for the staffer to do is to press charges. Pure and simple….
I’m not at all surprised that this occurred. There will be more violence at Obama events and at Clinton events. I’m worried about both of them, praying for their safety.
Just reading for a minute and found this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..79954.html
not sure it had been posted
He’d never been that high in Zogby’s poll and that’s good news. And Hillary’s numbers were of course declining so there is an opportunity for him to gain some if that continues, and make it a closer three way race. I’m not writing him off if he doen’t win. butif the Big O wins it’s gonna be tough if not impossible for anybody.
No. Laying hands on anybody is “violence”. Punching someone out in return is “self defense”. I agree with you, though. It would have been the wrong thing to do. Nicholson handled this exactly the way he should have. And now Bill (and FOX News) have a black mark with the Secret Service.
Comments from wingers at the Chicago Sun-Times’ blog on this are telling:
Hey, it’s a tough business and you have to be boisterous to get a candidate’s attention sometimes. I wouldn’t doubt if this Nicholson guy was blocking O’Reilly intentionally because of his perceived right lean. Bodyguards have crappy attitudes as well. This isn’t even news worthy.
CSPAN has part of it. I was amazed. It was basically O reilly tryng to book OPbama as a guest.
This is what I saw
The Big Fascist Pig brown nosing Barack yelling “You’re a good guy. You’re a good Guy”
And Obama, shaking hands witt the crowd and nodding to O Reilly, saying, “After New Hamphire”
“We’ll hook up.”
O’Reilly continues shouting, and Obama continues “But after New Hampsire, we’ll hook up” and Barack moved on.
Oreilly, who was at the wall of the hall, slithered out.
Thank you FrankProbst, I’m glad to see that there is no real disagreement.
I think i started this so lemme be clear. I’m saying minor violence (I don’t wanna quibble about the definition of “violence”)like that should be met with an appropriate physical response. Not everyone can/should/wants to do this. That’s fine. But like any good hockey team, I think we need a goon or two on our side who is/are. The cops’ll take care of the rest.
Thanks!! Can’t wait for the Videos, I will warm my cockles to see Bill’O restrained by the SS(is that the same as the Nazi SS??)But I hope not!
charges should be filed against him!!
So are you saying that the events that occurred during Lincoln’s term were not set up before he came to office? Are you suggesting that he was not part of the solution but part of the problem? Do you think war could have been avoided if Lincoln were more adept? Perhaps if we’d suggested we buy out the slave owners’ interests in slavery…? Oh, yeah, we already have a candidate running for the Rethugs that thinks that! *g*
I sorta agree. it’s not very newsworthy. The rest of that quoted comment is horseshit.
There is evidently no video tape of the kerfuffle…
No worries. I’m sure Bill will give us a fair and balanced account of the incident. :)
Peter Gabriel – Lay Your Hands on Me
“a racial attack (physically or ideologically) on Obama will backfire in most parts of the country except in the South.”
i would like to thank whoever said that remark for her kneejerk stereotyping. if i remember correctly, Bill’O the falafel pounder is from Long Island. an awful lot of the racial violence in this country has happened in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. it’s not just for rednecks ya know ……
Anytime the Secret Service has to restrain someone in the presence of someone they are protecting, that starts to move up on the news value of a story. If the person being restrained is a public media figure with a radio show carried on multiple radio stations and also a prime time cable television show on a major network, the news value goes up.
I wasn’t clear as I’d hoped. where i said “minor violence” just take out the word “minor”. it just raises unneccessary questions and doesn’t add anything. the rest i/m ok with.
What is this the bizzaro world – shoving people is not violence?
Using physical confrontation is the way to go I guess?
A woman in your way to get that cabbage patch kid or tickle me Elmo? Just shove them out of the way its all good.
Someone in the bread line ahead of you? Just rabbit punch them once or shove them and they will leave – no big deal.
Well, umm, did you ask those vegetables how “non-violent” they think your chili is, before you KILLED THEM!!1!
So the Pox crew that was there erased the tape shortly after? There’s video, I’m sure.
I’ve never been on the campaign trail so maybe someone can help me, but I figger incidents like this are not unheard of.
There’s just no way they’re going to be able to spin it this way. These aren’t overzealous bodyguards; they’re the Secret Service. Most people are going to realize that this isn’t the same as Brit’s thugs roughing up a cameraman.
Ah yes, the post-9/11 Shock Doctrine in action.
No I was NOT saying that…… just that I thought it was a poor comparison.
Ok, and I’m sorry if I misunderstood. I’m not 100 percent sure that we need to do some heavy “crosschecking” because I think that would not be in our interest and would backfire. But I think that is a relatively minor disagreement. I thought people were advocating a full on gangland rumble, that was the emotion that I was picking up and I strongly reject that, nor am I afraid to say so.
kneejerk sterotyping?
You know not what you are saying.
The only thing I’d add, tho’, is that the reporters who are covering this sun-up to sun down all over Iowa and NH may get a little hot under bthe collar sometimes. I don’t think O’Reiley is a campaign trail regular. He’s just a prick.
HuffPo has a couple of stills and a note that the video is coming up…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..79954.html
OT:
Clinton forgot to mention that some of the US citizens we must to protect on the way out of Iraq are more than just people like “business” and charity people. I really wanted to yell out BLACKWATER. Can we please let Iraqi employ themselves instead.
Intersting slight attack on Obama calling out Bush on the “uniter not divider” and not wanting to (or being able to) do it, and not having the experience.
Not a bench clearing brawl. offsetting penalties is all I’m sayin’
ignorance and its counterpart violence are like greed and addcition, equall opportunistic effecting all makes and models….
I’m assuming your are teasing me.
I think they were dead already when I bought them at the market this morning. Would you like honey with your cornbread?
Me too.
heh.. bring in the Hanson brothers ;)
latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in New Hampshire shows John McCain leading Mitt Romney by five percentage points. It’s McCain 31% Romney 26%. The survey was conducted Friday night, the night following the Iowa caucuses. As noted yesterday on Rasmussen Reports, McCain was one of the big winners on Thursday in Iowa. The current poll is a reversal from a pre-Christmas survey when Romney had a slight advantage.
Ron Paul earns 14% of the vote and Mike Huckabee gets 11% as the only other candidates in double digits. Rudy Giuliani attracts 8% of the vote, Fred Thompson 5%, some other candidate 2%, and 3% are not sure.
McCain and Romney are tied among Republicans likely to vote in the Primary but McCain has an advantage among Independent voters. Independents are still more likely to participate in the Democratic Primary. Still, the survey suggests that 32% of voters in the GOP Primary will be unaffiliated with either major party.
The Republican race remains fluid as nearly a third of GOP voters say they could still change their mind. Sixty-four percent (64%) of McCain’s voters say they are “certain” they will vote for him. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Romney supporters are that certain along with 83% of Ron Paul voters and 66% for Mike Huckabee.
From the New Hampshire Criminal Code:
631:2-a Simple Assault. –
I. A person is guilty of simple assault if he:
(a) Purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury or unprivileged physical contact to another; or
(b) Recklessly causes bodily injury to another; or
(c) Negligently causes bodily injury to another by means of a deadly weapon.
II. Simple assault is a misdemeanor unless committed in a fight entered into by mutual consent, in which case it is a violation.
Of course, I’m just kidding around.
Wow. Warning – emotional. This link via DKos:
http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2…..tions.html
This is the story:
A new Rasmussen poll released Saturday shows Obama now 10 points ahead of Hillary in New Hampshire, and McCain 5 points ahead of Romney.
Bill-O’s dog-ma got run over by somebody’s karma:
“when Pooch comes to shove…”
98 pound weakling shoves 6′ 8 inch professional security guard.
That’s the news value of the story. Makes Billo seem heroic.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
How about Edwards?
Edwards at 19 percent if I remember right.
According to the Huffpro post there is video and it will be posted. We will just have to keeping checking the site!
Incidents where campaign security try to restrain overzealous media happen.
Incidents that rise to the level of attracting the attention of the US Secret Service happen much less frequently.
I’m guessing Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch are less than pleased right now.
Nahant
Nice thunder, huh?
The Secret Service are highly trained professionals, George Allen’s goons were just a bunch of Republican assholes, not even rent-a-cops, iirc. As satisfying as it might be to see O’Reilly get his, the Secret Service are (sensibly) going to try to defuse the situation first unless there’s a serious threat.
Refusing to be drawn into a brawl with wingnut thugs is not a sign of weakness.
“See the violence inherent in the system!” *g*
LS, I read that too. I remember reading about Michelle Obama saying, in regards to the family decision to run, “I’m tired of being afraid.”
These people are not lightweights. They know what they’re up against.
Disclaimer: I’ve been an Obama supporter for quite some time, and I don’t quite know what to make of all the Obama hatin’ that goes on at FDL.
OT–
And Mama goes on the warpath:
This is why this is a story. Well said.
Billo is huge…very tall.
Again, no. Trying to spin the Secret Service as “security guards” is like trying to spin SWAT as a bunch of meter maids.
And there’s almost no situation imaginable that would make O’Reilly seem “heroic”.
Help, Help, I’m being repressed!
Not hate – worry. As an Edwards supporter I have always wanted Obama to do well and possibly be VP. He has charm and I believe is very smart but needs experience and on-the-ground work.
AFAIKT, it just boils down to Obama being mentored by Lieberman and his wishy-washy votes on the floor.
Billo will have a ball with this- “I was about to make sure the truth was told- when they sent “goons” over to stifle my first amendment rights.”
Every pundit on Charlie Rose’s program last night, including conservative David Brooks, predicted an Obama victory in New Hampshire. Hillary’s goose is cooked. She does not have enough time to re-invent herself again. In any case, each new version seems less sincere than the one which preceded it. Her lack of authenticity is transparent. She can’t fool people. That simple. The Clinton Machine is sputtering…
Obama is in a league of his own. He is giving us all a chance to make history. Ultimately, it is more about who we are as a nation, than what he represents as an individual. It’s about our acknowledging he is indeed the right man at the right time in the right place. We are simply so lucky he is part of the contemporary political landscape and that we will have an opportunity to cast a historical vote which will help restore U.S. reputation around the world and bring about confidence in our government. It’s not about turning a new page, it’s about writing a whole new chapter in U.S. history.
Whatever challenges may lie ahead for Senator Barack Obama, he will overcome them. Let’s not kid each other, he is unique, and the more people have a chance to become acquainted with him,the more his star will rise. His historical victory in Iowa is for the books. So is his triumphant speech. Barack Obama is that rare political figure, whose charisma and aura are mesmerizing. As someone who lived through the tumultuous 60’s and the short-lived dreams of JFK,Robert Kennedy, Dr.Martin Luther King, Malcom X, I recognize in Barack Obama the genius, the charisma, the magnetism, the destiny. The difference is it is 2008 and I hope and pray we will recognize,cherish, protect, and elect Barack Obama.
Next to him, Hillary Clinton is like a bull in a china shop.
I think Bill is actually a pretty tall guy. Played football in college, ya know. At Marist. hahahahah. Was a … punter. HAHAHAHAHA oh. oh. crash! (falling off chair).
And his use of right-wing talking points against his opponents. And his attack on Krugman. And the lack of specifics in his overall message.
He burned his bridges to netroots when he supported Joe-Lie against Lamont. He also picked Joe-Lie as his mentor in the Senate. Plus: he’s done some pretty dumb things since he declared his candidacy. The most recent is letting his ad float at the Drudge Report for a few days before Iowa.
There’s also his absenteeism and presenteesm at significant Senate votes. So yes, there’s no love lost for Obama at FDL, although he does have supporters here like you. No harm in that. His supporters don’t get attacked when they speak up.
I wonder if the Republics will value experience in their candidate or just choose the one that claims to pray the best…
I think FDL just has a diverse group of opinions and they change every day. No one hates Obama…some people don’t like his political connections with Lieberman though, for example, but there are supporters of Obama here. FDL does not endorse any candidates.
But, back to Obama and that blogger’s reaction…I think it is a reaction that is not bound by race, but by that horrible disillusionment experienced by the nation during the 60’s…All of the candidates face the same dangers for different reasons…Something about Obama’s tone in his speeches can evoke that feeling though…I felt it the first time I heard his stump speech…
Hillary can’t out-nice Obama. Her only room for maneuver is to take a step or two to the left and use some of Edwards’s talking points.
and that :)
His nightly audience of 50 will be all flustered.
Not very loud here but the cats and dogs keep falling from the sky… I need to get up on the second story to clear the drains(sometimes that flat roof is a pain) ….. Oh wait here is the bowling in the sky
Thanks rw. I found these results:
Jan 5 Rasmussen
Obama 37%, Clinton 27%, Edwards 19%
McCain 31%, Romney 26%, Paul 14% …
Bill O’Reilly is 6′4″.
FWIW, I happened to believe that Jesse Jackson was a more historical candidate and also far more progressive and charismatic than Obama.
Disclaimer: I’ve been an Obama supporter for quite some time, and I don’t quite know what to make of all the Obama hatin’ that goes on at FDL.
-Tithonia @ 156
You think it’s alot of “Obama hatin’” ? i really think it’s alot of Edwards likin’ and O-man is an opponent right now. Also people like(d) other candidates besides Edwards. Also some people hate on all 3 of the top people. I think if Obama is the nominee the overwhelming majority of people here will support him. ’snot t’ worry.
She is in Obama’s sqeeze hold suit. Every time she wiggles or creates an attack Obama’s squeeze gets tighter like a boa. HRC is about HRC first. Everyone knows that. She will tap out. This squeeze hold started after she impaled herself on a coke straw. Pretty stupid on her part…
And I voted for Jackson because I was tired of Carter as president. He is a wonderful man but not so great as a prez.
What’s up with this? New Hampshire Republican Party has quit as a co-sponsor of tomorrow night’s nationally televised GOP forum on FOX News.
http://www.unionleader.com/art…..7736adf6fd
Well, said, my dear.
I thought the comment regarding something you said as a “her” response being a knee jerk something was pretty hysterical.
Knowing you.
Seems to me that Hillary and Obama have both been trying to win the nomination while staying vague on many positions- because they both know that the general election will be decided by indies.
Both have left running room to the left to be used if necessary. For Hillary- it’s now necessary.
I support Obama, but, like most commenters here, I’m not big on hagiography. Most people who are regular here are a lot more thoughtful and critical.
We don’t hate Obama we just don’t think he is ready for the job yet. But you just wait and see how we all come together to support whom ever gets the nod for prez.
—There’s just no way they’re going to be able to spin it this way. These aren’t overzealous bodyguards; they’re the Secret Service. Most people are going to realize that this isn’t the same as Brit’s thugs roughing up a cameraman.
This is why this is a story. Well said.
Peterr @ 15-something
OK. You convinced me. I had initially said this isn’t very newsworthy. I think you’re right , though.
In no way did I intend to imply that the SS response was weak or inappropriate! I was contrasting the difference in the responses. In my last comment I attempted to point out that the Repubs are hypocrits ; never did I advocate joining them in thuggish behavior.
what I said is: IOKIYAR; in the Republican universe violence is only the behavior they object to; never their own.
It appears that the Rs recognize that they need the Pauly boys and don’t want to be accused if stiffing him by keeping him out of the debate. This way they can wash their hands and blame it all on Faux Noise.
More historical: No. Obama is more historical because he actually has a chance of being elected prez, for better or worse. No one in their right mind thought that of Jesse, let’s face it.
More progressive: Yes.
More charismatic: Not.
These are all IMHO.
this is good………..
OH Oh now there is lightening and more of the bowling!! Shook the whole house, but as bad I have experienced back in New England
I think she’s gotta pretty much go with what she’s been goin’ with and hope that’s enough.
Yeah, demi. I simply ignored that remark. Chose not to respond…*g*
The NH GOP was asking Fox to include Ron Paul (because there’s no basis to exclude him while including Rudy and Fred), and they were refusing. I wonder if that’s what it’s about. Definitely interesting.
Ummmm…don’t go clear the gutters now….ok?
Clinton was 46 when he was elected. Obama, if elected, will be 47. I just don’t get this “experience” thing.
Also, I have to say that I don’t think anyone would know who HRC is if it wasn’t for her husband.
Wonder what Nancy, Reid, and the DLC are thinking right now. Do you think they might actually understand that the country wants change and that being repug-lite is not the way to go? They need to now approach their base (us) and beg. Ha Ha
I believe you might be buying some of the CW myths about Jesse, Biodun. I saw him speak at MLK day things in NH a couple of times. He is extremely charismatic. And he showed himself a viable candidate by winning more than a few state primaries against Dukakis IIRC. But there was a large amount of fear of Jesse as a candidate on both sides of the political spectrum so they worked extra hard to minimize him and his chances.
Now where have we heard of THAT happening this year?
Thanks, firepups. Good to know. PS I love Edwards too, and would be happy to vote for him should he win.
BTW, I’m an Edwards supporter, and an Edwards (P)-Obama (VP) ticket would be OK by me. In fact, it would be quite formidabe. But sadly, the chances of that happening are now almost less than zero. But miracles do happen.
Sorry about that, that was a response to someone else’s comment that implied that the lack of a physical response from the Obama guy made Obama look “weak.” I threw in several responses in one comment; only the first one was meant as a direct reply to you.
What do you people make of Paul at 14. If he pulls 15, what’s that mean? (Other than makin’ Giuliani look more & more like a total loser.) Spring board for independent run? Stay in it and make a pain in the ass of himself? he seems so different from the rest in alot of ways, it’s hard to figure who (if anybody) he’s taking away from. I just don’t know what a Paul 15% finish would mean.
HRC claiming experience seems like GWB claiming he was experienced because his dad let him hang around the WH during the GHWB administration.
Clinton did have about a dozen or more years as governor when he was elected. Obama has two years in the US Senate and what? six years? in Illinois state senate?
There is a difference in experiences there
And Kennedy was young but did have his war experience plus a number of terms in the US House before election to the Senate then Presidency.
Interesting.
I voted for Jackson too.
Maybe charisma is in the eye of the beholder.
You made me think.
I’ve been turned off by what I perceive as Obama’s “preachy” style.
But, I wasn’t turned off by Jesse’s style.
Hmmm. Again, I’m thinking.
disagree. is there any reason to believe that, had BillO not been a celeb, he would not have been arrested on the spot, at least detained by the Poleece?
one standard.
Do remember that pundits’ track record with “predictions” is pretty dismal. Though the blind pig may find the nut this time, there’s really no useful information there.
No way it is pouring like crazy ad I already took my shower! Besides I have health respect of electricity . Once I was fishing at the ocean and a tstorm snuck up behinds us so we alll got under an over hanging ledge. And wouldn’t you know it the lighting struck the rocks above us and we all got shocked. I really don’t need tp have that happen again. I respect mother nature she don’t care where it hits…. woah there it goes again. funny though it doesn’t seem to bother the pooch
“The recent population estimates show that the South grew faster than any other region from July 2006 to July 2007, closely followed by the West.
Depending on what happens in the next few years, Texas could gain as many as four additional seats, according to projections from Election Data Services and Polidata, another national consulting firm. Florida could pick up two, while Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina could add one each. Louisiana remains in danger of dropping a seat after population losses from Hurricane Katrina.
Arizona could pick up two seats, with Nevada, Utah and Oregon getting one each.
New York and Ohio could be the biggest losers, dropping two seats each, with Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri and California possibly dropping one seat each.
On the surface, the projections look troubling for Democrats, who fare particularly poorly in the South and have done well in the Northeast and Midwest.
But political demographers say many of the growth states such as Florida and Arizona are increasingly competitive for Democrats. That trend could spread because much of the population increases in the South and West are coming from newcomers from Democratic-leaning states and from minority groups, particularly Hispanics.
“Conventional wisdom might be that growth in the Sunbelt means growth for Republicans, but I don’t think that’s necessarily the case,” said William Frey, a demographer at the University of Michigan and the Brookings Institution.”
From an AP Story
Isn’t he also a Constitutional attorney expert, civil rights and all that stuff…that’s experience…real experience…street experience too.
It really is an outrage to exclude Paul. Hope somebody asks them about that. Whoever doesn’t demand he be included is a pussy/ Shep “None of Your Fuckin’ Business” Smith on Fox says Paul should be in.
Sure there’s a difference in experience, but I don’t think Obama’s is less valid. I think the totality of his life experience is what qualifies him. More so than someone who grew up in some small, rural town, in fact.
I do not think it is fair to compare them. We are talking about a different moment in history and the symbolism of Obama’s candidacy differs from Jesse Jackson’s journey as an civil rights activist and presidential candidate. Obama is the 21st century! To follow W and undo the damage of the past 8 years calls really calls for a revolution. Electing Obama is the closest thing to an expression of impeachment of Cheney, Bush, and the sorry shenanigans going back as far as Nixon.
Who do you see as being prime VP potentials for which candidates?
Who would work with whom?
I think police should have some discretion to arrest people who are assholes and need to be taught a lesson.
Not an Obama expert but seem to recall he was a law shcool professor on the Constitution.
If he is, he hasn’t done much to protect in by his actions in the Senate.
Florida continues to be a political hot bed. (Wait- what does THAT mean?)
At any rate- the party that contols Florida will have a leg up in 2012.
You left out CO. Turning bluer by the day.
Only if they are being violent!! Not for speaking their opinions, we would be just like the wingnuts if that were advocated.
Edwards/Kerry
Clinton/Gore
Obama/Richardson
As long as I’m the police.
My 220 is a response to demi at 214. I responded even tho I put a question out and got totally ignored.
I’m hurt.
I can’t even begin to predict where the Paul train is going. He disagrees with all the others on such major issues, I can’t imagine he could bring his followers along if he threw his support to someone. For the same reason, even after the contest is ended, it doesn’t seem like he could do what Dean did and tell his followers to work hard for the GOP nominee. He’s run as an independent before, but I have no idea whether he’d do that again, or try to parlay his support into more influence in the GOP.
I guess my only bet would be that at least some of his people will try to start a third party (or take over/build up the Libertarian Party, where it exists.) Whether they’ll do a good enough job that anyone notices, I wouldn’t care to guess.
Strangely, the CNN entrance poll at the Iowa Democratic caucuses showed that the Indies liked Edwards way more than the did Hillary:
Some do not see it that way.
Presumably, he’d take more votes from the Rs than from the Ds.
Don’t even think of becoming a professor.
OK, it’s wake up time folks. THIS is who we really live amongst.THIS is who is going to elect the next pres. thanks, perris for this. i am seriously considering France now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlP8EXbm6Is
stereotyping is implying that everyone with a particular identifying characteristic or quality (ex: in the South) acts like everyone else. kneejerk is a response to some stimuli which doesn’t involve thoughtful reflection and is done quickly. i know what those words mean. you don’t know how to spell stereotype.
I, for one, don’t ‘hate’ Obama as you mention. I wonder if he will take seriously our ‘fight’ for our constitution and to retain our freedoms. I made this same statements over in a diary at Kos and someone posted an article mentioning that Lawrence Tribe (first name?) was a professor of Obama’s and a mentor and wrote that he would uphold the Constitution.
I am sure that many believe that he will, but will his need for ‘getting along’ overcome society’s need for course correction as to our liberties? Will he be willing to fight that fight? Does he think he can charm the Constitution back to its rightful place?
Just questions I have. I am glad he is doing so well. And that so many people are seeing in him someone they can support. let’s see how fast and hard he fights back against being swiftboated. That will tell me alot.
It just goes to show you. I wonder their part affiliation is??
Actually, I have. But in that situation I wouldn’t be ignored by anyone I have any respect for.
Obama would, I think, be best for the Dems in FL. They have an uphill fight. It’s really a red state.
lol
Its a 15 rounnd bout…. Obama counterpunches well. Keep that jab going Senator, while you dance….
I thought we stopped talkin’ about violence.
Obama is only half black. i actually think that makes him more palatable to some voters. sad but true. also he doesn’t “talk” black, ie. stereotypically southern accent, so doesn’t sound like a rabble rouser. just noticing that’s all.
Unless you simply define anyone who ignores you as unworthy of your respect, this is exceedingly unlikely.
Academia is a constant battle for attention from people and institutions that care very little about you. You either develop a thick skin and enjoy the competition for attention, or you spend a lot of time moping around.
Woo, wooo! Fox is going to so regret this ;-)
Think anyone (like all those activist Paul supporters) might be interested in talking about the fairness doctrine now?
Bruins and Devils tonight… Can’t wait for the “action.” Should be a good game… hard, fast and yes, sometimes bloody. Bruins need this win big time! :)
I’ve not see any Obama hating around here. It’s more a concern that he does not represent progressives. He has a good message – “change” – but so far it’s all generalizations. Nothing specific. He has used ‘Republicle’ talking points like Social Security being in trouble, for one. He’s either knowingly making false statements or hasn’t done his homework. In short, he’s done nothing to reassure people here at FDL or other progressives that he will govern towards the progressive side, protect the Constitution, deal with economic inequality, etc.
Edwards is a fighter and as a trial lawyer has demonstrated he will fight for the little guy. I wish we could get into Obama’s head and find out what he’s really thinking, that maybe what he’s been doing (and not doing) is a ploy to endear him to the media, corporations, etc. just enough to get elected, and then would actually govern in a way that is actually progressive. Maybe Jane or Christy or someone could have a heart-to-heart talk with him, just to find out.
I try not to go to Dkos at all since his pre-Iowa infantile rants. Too bad because some of his diarists are great but I don’t want to add to DKos traffic. Many of the diarists can be found in other places.
This blog is my home now.
FBI…O’Reilly….. Stun Gun….Good!
Olbermann …Happy!
O’Reilly.. Ahhhhhh! (probably the first orgasm the guy’s ever had)
C&L has video–FOX announcer saying Creepo’Reilly will be showing the tape Monday on the Factor. Unedited, of course, right?
Here’s a few bit of info on Obama v. Edwards:
Obama -
1. Demanded the DLC remove his name from their list -put there by a party insider without Obama’s permission. 2. Voted with the majority of Democrats in support of Senator Diance Feinsteins bill to place a moratorium against the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Hillary Clinton joined with all of the Republicans and a few Moderate Dems to defeat her own colleagues bill. Hillary the mother, the ‘most admired woman in America -voted for the ‘right’ to use those child maiming flesh searing toylike bomblets -on civilians. 3. Voted against the war from day
Hillary -0ut, Obama -1
Edwards -
1. First year in the Senate vote with the Republicans for that rotten pro-business Bankrutpcy bill. Not even Clinton joined in on that.
2. In that same bill Edwards also voted against Paul Wellstones Amend. re the anti low -income Means Test provision. 3. Gave up a precious southern Democratic Senate seat -because he was afraid of losing his re-election.
3. Voted for the war.
Edwards -OUT, Obama -2
Obama is not perfect but he’s inspirational, and never ever showed signs of weakness or doubt, and never pandered to anyone. Choosing instead to be fair to both sides.
Important especially if our foreign policy in the Middle East means anything to you.
CSAPN VIDEO of BILL OREILLY
Here is the link
http://gregmitchellwriter.blog…..obama.html
in my earlier post I got the dialogue a little wrong. So much for spontaeneous recall of a live event.
Oreilly kept saying ” after new hampshire” and Obama kept sayiing after the primaries.
But here….listen for ya’selves
http://gregmitchellwriter.blog…..obama.html
CSPAN VIDEO of BILL O’REILLY- corrected
Here is the link
http://gregmitchellwriter.blog…..obama.html
in my earlier post I got the dialogue a little wrong. So much for spontaeneous recall of a live event.
OReilly kept saying ” after new hampshire” and Obama kept sayiing ‘after the primaries.’
But here….listen for ya’selves
http://gregmitchellwriter.blog…..obama.html
There is no such think as a bigoted Christian. You can’t be both. That is an oxymoron. You are either a bigot or a Christian.
It is obvious that O’Reilly is doing this on purpose. Don’t be fooled, folks. The bad press he gets is just what he wants. He is not speaking to the U.S.
He is speaking to the violent extremists. It’s simple:
1. He acts like this.
2. Some violent RW nut attempts to assassinate a Dem candidate.
3. O’Reilly declares, “It is them personally. *I* had nothing to do with it. Personal responsibility, you know.”
Hasn’t it happened enough that Americans see it already?