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	<title>Comments on: Late Nite Bar And Other Rumors From Iowa</title>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/late-nite-bar-and-other-rumors-from-iowa/#comment-1179220</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Don’t forget at the Iowa caucuses on the Democratic side only &lt;/em&gt;that the second teir people who don’t make 15% of the vote, then have choices to make about giving their support on the second round. And votes in some caucuses count more than others based on seniority.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:aMQ9txHm4pUJ:www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf+Iowa+democratic+caucuses+15%25+rule&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guide to Arcane Democratic Party Caucus Rules&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After the number of eligible caucus attendees has been determined, the viabilitythreshold is calculated based on the number of delegates the caucus is to elect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Note: When calculating viability, always round UP to the next whole number.a. In caucuses that elect two &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(2) delegates, preference groups must contain atleast 25% of the caucus attendees in order to be viable. This can becalculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees x 0.25 = Viability Thresholdb. In caucuses that elect three &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(3) delegates, the total caucus attendees shouldbe divided by six (6) to determine the viability threshold. This can becalculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees ÷ 6 = Viability Thresholdc. In caucuses that elect four &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(4) or more delegates, preference groups mustcontain at least 15% of the caucus attendees in order to be viable. This canbe calculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees x 0.15 = Viability Threshold15)Once the viability threshold has been determined, the Chair will announce thatnumber to the caucus.Note: The viability threshold remains unchanged throughout the course of thecaucus, even if attendees leave before delegates are awarded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Don’t forget at the Iowa caucuses on the Democratic side only </em>that the second teir people who don’t make 15% of the vote, then have choices to make about giving their support on the second round. And votes in some caucuses count more than others based on seniority.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:aMQ9txHm4pUJ:www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf+Iowa+democratic+caucuses+15%25+rule&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">Guide to Arcane Democratic Party Caucus Rules</a></strong></p>
<p>After the number of eligible caucus attendees has been determined, the viabilitythreshold is calculated based on the number of delegates the caucus is to elect.</p>
<p>Note: When calculating viability, always round UP to the next whole number.a. In caucuses that elect two </p>
<p>(2) delegates, preference groups must contain atleast 25% of the caucus attendees in order to be viable. This can becalculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees x 0.25 = Viability Thresholdb. In caucuses that elect three </p>
<p>(3) delegates, the total caucus attendees shouldbe divided by six (6) to determine the viability threshold. This can becalculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees ÷ 6 = Viability Thresholdc. In caucuses that elect four </p>
<p>(4) or more delegates, preference groups mustcontain at least 15% of the caucus attendees in order to be viable. This canbe calculated by using the following formula:Number of Eligible Caucus Attendees x 0.15 = Viability Threshold15)Once the viability threshold has been determined, the Chair will announce thatnumber to the caucus.Note: The viability threshold remains unchanged throughout the course of thecaucus, even if attendees leave before delegates are awarded.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/late-nite-bar-and-other-rumors-from-iowa/#comment-1179213</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think for Hillary, overall having Vilsack and his wife show up for so many events had been hoped to be a big magnet.  Tom Harkin, the local Senator did very well, winning by a mile when he ran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you say, Lindsay Graham has been a very avid Bush soldier on every vote.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for Hillary, overall having Vilsack and his wife show up for so many events had been hoped to be a big magnet.  Tom Harkin, the local Senator did very well, winning by a mile when he ran.</p>
<p>As you say, Lindsay Graham has been a very avid Bush soldier on every vote.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Prof; I think that if she comes third in Iowa, or even 2nd, anything could happen, with her “positioning”.  Her campaign will be, at least temporarily, in utter disarray.   So will most of the democratic beltway establishment.   And the republicans, whatever they say, will be saddened, because if we nominate John Edwards or Barak Obama, it will mean that they have to talk issues, instead of just screaming “Bill Clinton’s Dick!” as Mitt Romney has already begun to do. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To date, she and her staff have been so far removed from the “savvy” that her supporters keep touting, that it’s frightening to think about her as the nominee, to me.  John Edward is so much more aware of political realities that it’s laughable to compare them.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back in 2006, when she lent herself and the dignity of her office as one of NY’s Senators, to FoxNews’ 10th anniversary birthday bash, she knew exactly what she was doing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When she supported Joe Lieberman against a good antiwar candidate, Ned Lamont, in the Connecticut primary, she knew exactly what she was doing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When she voted to support the republican bill to make flagburning a federal crime, she knew who she was getting into bed with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As she supported bush’s “surge” to send more of our troops into what amounts to the world’s largest-ever hostage situation, she and her people HAD to have discussed what that meant. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When she voted for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment, there was no ambiguity about that; she was voting to give bush ANOTHER blank check for another war, in which to enfold the first fuck-up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unlike Edwards, she has never apologized for her authorizing vote in 2002.  That means one of two things:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She is so stupid that she believes that the invasion and occupation of Iraq will turn out to be “good” for us and for the Iraqis and the region, and so stupid that she doesn’t understand the realities of what bush (with her help) has created in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or, she’s so afraid of admitting just HOW wrong she was, now that a million people have died, and with the meter running at that $3 billion a week, AND COUNTING, that she thinks it will ruin her if she cops to the reality of what she helped gin up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In that last one, she’s right:  It’s now too late for a real mea-culpa.  If she does it under the pressure of a loss in Iowa, and then starts to try to correct the huge mistake of selling out the progressive wing of the democratic party, by moving back to the left, the same progressives who have been hammering her in the straw votes on progressive blogs, will surely scorn her for the political chameleon which she is. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Three groups of voters are going to decide this election:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;moderate republicans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Independents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and conservative democrats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are enough people in all three categories who are honest enough to admit what a disaster bush’s presidency has been, and who are angry enough about it, to vote for a democrat in huge numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But not if her name is Hillary Clinton.   If we nominate her, the built-in advantage that we have in this election will evaporate, as the MSM helps the GOP make Hillary the issue, instead of Iraq, or the economy, or immigration, or whatever.   It will be all Hillary; all the time, and the center of the country will largely join the right, to vote against her; and the possibility of a democratic win of historic proportions will gang a’gleying. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If she had stuck with the people who are her natural constituents, and if she had had the courage to name bush’s miserable war for what it is, then I would have supported her with the same joy and enthusiasm which I felt when she was elected to the senate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    I, personally, have never felt more betrayed by a politician in all the years I’ve been a liberal democrat.   If we don’t vote to send her back to the Senate where she belongs, she will be a disaster for us.   I think the republicans will keep the white house, retake the Senate, and probably, retake the house.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    If that happens, it will be the 8 ball in the side pocket, and this corporate 4th Reich that we progressives have been fighting against will be permenantly enshrined as “the amurkan dream”.  They will use their media, their lobbyists, and their money, to win elections, to pass legislation, and to select judges who will sustain and codify their agenda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;     It’s simple: one of the political parties is going to come out of this election mortally wounded.   If we nominate Hillary Clinton, it will very likely be ours.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof; I think that if she comes third in Iowa, or even 2nd, anything could happen, with her “positioning”.  Her campaign will be, at least temporarily, in utter disarray.   So will most of the democratic beltway establishment.   And the republicans, whatever they say, will be saddened, because if we nominate John Edwards or Barak Obama, it will mean that they have to talk issues, instead of just screaming “Bill Clinton’s Dick!” as Mitt Romney has already begun to do. </p>
<p>To date, she and her staff have been so far removed from the “savvy” that her supporters keep touting, that it’s frightening to think about her as the nominee, to me.  John Edward is so much more aware of political realities that it’s laughable to compare them.   </p>
<p>Back in 2006, when she lent herself and the dignity of her office as one of NY’s Senators, to FoxNews’ 10th anniversary birthday bash, she knew exactly what she was doing.</p>
<p>When she supported Joe Lieberman against a good antiwar candidate, Ned Lamont, in the Connecticut primary, she knew exactly what she was doing. </p>
<p>When she voted to support the republican bill to make flagburning a federal crime, she knew who she was getting into bed with.</p>
<p>As she supported bush’s “surge” to send more of our troops into what amounts to the world’s largest-ever hostage situation, she and her people HAD to have discussed what that meant. </p>
<p>When she voted for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment, there was no ambiguity about that; she was voting to give bush ANOTHER blank check for another war, in which to enfold the first fuck-up.</p>
<p>Unlike Edwards, she has never apologized for her authorizing vote in 2002.  That means one of two things:  </p>
<p>She is so stupid that she believes that the invasion and occupation of Iraq will turn out to be “good” for us and for the Iraqis and the region, and so stupid that she doesn’t understand the realities of what bush (with her help) has created in Iraq.</p>
<p>Or, she’s so afraid of admitting just HOW wrong she was, now that a million people have died, and with the meter running at that $3 billion a week, AND COUNTING, that she thinks it will ruin her if she cops to the reality of what she helped gin up.</p>
<p>In that last one, she’s right:  It’s now too late for a real mea-culpa.  If she does it under the pressure of a loss in Iowa, and then starts to try to correct the huge mistake of selling out the progressive wing of the democratic party, by moving back to the left, the same progressives who have been hammering her in the straw votes on progressive blogs, will surely scorn her for the political chameleon which she is. </p>
<p>    Three groups of voters are going to decide this election:</p>
<p>moderate republicans.</p>
<p>Independents.</p>
<p>and conservative democrats.</p>
<p>There are enough people in all three categories who are honest enough to admit what a disaster bush’s presidency has been, and who are angry enough about it, to vote for a democrat in huge numbers.</p>
<p>But not if her name is Hillary Clinton.   If we nominate her, the built-in advantage that we have in this election will evaporate, as the MSM helps the GOP make Hillary the issue, instead of Iraq, or the economy, or immigration, or whatever.   It will be all Hillary; all the time, and the center of the country will largely join the right, to vote against her; and the possibility of a democratic win of historic proportions will gang a’gleying. </p>
<p>If she had stuck with the people who are her natural constituents, and if she had had the courage to name bush’s miserable war for what it is, then I would have supported her with the same joy and enthusiasm which I felt when she was elected to the senate. </p>
<p>    I, personally, have never felt more betrayed by a politician in all the years I’ve been a liberal democrat.   If we don’t vote to send her back to the Senate where she belongs, she will be a disaster for us.   I think the republicans will keep the white house, retake the Senate, and probably, retake the house.  </p>
<p>    If that happens, it will be the 8 ball in the side pocket, and this corporate 4th Reich that we progressives have been fighting against will be permenantly enshrined as “the amurkan dream”.  They will use their media, their lobbyists, and their money, to win elections, to pass legislation, and to select judges who will sustain and codify their agenda.</p>
<p>     It’s simple: one of the political parties is going to come out of this election mortally wounded.   If we nominate Hillary Clinton, it will very likely be ours.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I sense MSM has been looking for more to augment the $400 haircut meme.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it great we’ve got a candidate they can’t hardly lay a glove on!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I sense MSM has been looking for more to augment the $400 haircut meme.</p>
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<p>Isn’t it great we’ve got a candidate they can’t hardly lay a glove on!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The really weird part is that Vilsack thinks that what Lindsay Graham thinks is a selling point to Democrats in a primary.  What the hell is he thinking?  Is he trying to sink her chances?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really weird part is that Vilsack thinks that what Lindsay Graham thinks is a selling point to Democrats in a primary.  What the hell is he thinking?  Is he trying to sink her chances?</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hillary’s support for the Iraq war when the bottom line is in, of course makes Lindsay Graham the driver of the horrendous MCA that the Supreme Court could take a shot at if they have guts in &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Boumediene/Al-Odah_v._Bush&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boumediene/Al-Odah v. Bush&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;very happy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Graham is really thinking, is that Romney or horrors Rudy 912 would much much rather take on HRC in the general because she is the poster child boggey girl of all time for Rethugs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary’s support for the Iraq war when the bottom line is in, of course makes Lindsay Graham the driver of the horrendous MCA that the Supreme Court could take a shot at if they have guts in </p>
<p><strong><br />
<a href="http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Boumediene/Al-Odah_v._Bush" rel="nofollow">Boumediene/Al-Odah v. Bush</a> </strong></p>
<p>very happy.</p>
<p>What Graham is really thinking, is that Romney or horrors Rudy 912 would much much rather take on HRC in the general because she is the poster child boggey girl of all time for Rethugs.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I meant to include Edwards as being a sea change as well.  He could be a very competent President, but the promises always fly on the primary stump.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to include Edwards as being a sea change as well.  He could be a very competent President, but the promises always fly on the primary stump.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/late-nite-bar-and-other-rumors-from-iowa/#comment-1179172</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just heard Vilsack on a radio interview. When asked why he’s supporting Clinton, the first thing he says is (paraphrase) “I was just talking to Lindsay Graham, and he talked about how nice it was working with Hillary on a bill they worked on together, so she can reach across the aisle….blah blah blah.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;really says a lot&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just heard Vilsack on a radio interview. When asked why he’s supporting Clinton, the first thing he says is (paraphrase) “I was just talking to Lindsay Graham, and he talked about how nice it was working with Hillary on a bill they worked on together, so she can reach across the aisle….blah blah blah.”</p>
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<p>really says a lot</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush is angry all the time, and compared to Bush Obama  would be a sea change.  HRC’s facade talks a change, but the result would be a lot of Bush policies continued with the Hill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is angry all the time, and compared to Bush Obama  would be a sea change.  HRC’s facade talks a change, but the result would be a lot of Bush policies continued with the Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My apologies if I wasn’t clear. I was referring to the Maid-Rite franchise in my town. Roseanne Barr was on teevee a number of years ago touting loose meat burgers. I’m guessing on that one. IIRC, Roseanne was promoting her own loose meat business venture. I’m guessing that she is not pursuing that venture any longer, but not sure about her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies if I wasn’t clear. I was referring to the Maid-Rite franchise in my town. Roseanne Barr was on teevee a number of years ago touting loose meat burgers. I’m guessing on that one. IIRC, Roseanne was promoting her own loose meat business venture. I’m guessing that she is not pursuing that venture any longer, but not sure about her.</p>
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