Login Here. Biden, Gravel out.
. Dodd is out too, but pledges to keep up the FISA fight. He's a class act.
. Obama won 32% to 31% among Democrats over Hillary.
. Mark Ambinder reporting that despite denying that a deal was made, Richardson supporters moved in a bloc for Obama, and Obama advisor Samantha Power appears to confirm there was in fact a deal (YouTube).
. McCain is clearly the anointed one of the party, and all the DC media elite showed up last night to pay homage to his campaign. With Huckabee having such a commanding lead, should be interesting to see how they handle his campaign in the coming days.
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What a night!
Good grief - I even read the post before I called it a zed. Where is everyone? Should I let them know? Nah. I like having the stage to myself.
I am surprised that Edwards finished 2nd with that much of the vote.
I am also surprised that Paul is more popular than Guiliani.
The turnout was amazing. Bout time the winds changed. Of course, it’s a few years too late!
Final Dem Results and Two Questions
Published by Texas Betsy
January 3, 2008 in Iowa, Democrats and election 2008. Edit
Here are the results from the Iowa Caucus:
Final Results:
Obama : 37.58%
Edwards : 29.75%
Clinton : 29.47%
Richardson : 2.11%
Biden : 0.93%
Uncommitted : 0.14%
Dodd : 0.02%
Precincts Reporting: 1781/1781
How different would those numbers be if the (A) corporate media had given each of the candidates the same amount of coverage; and (B) each candidate had the same amount of money to spend.
Was that you, Jane, at precinct 53 on CSPAN? Wearing the white shirt and red scarf (or something)?
Considering Julie Annie was out of state I am amazed he got 4 percent.
I must say I’m happy to see Rachel Maddow included in MSNBC’s round-table of Serious People.
Could someone post the numbers on rethug side? I know Huckabee won big, but I’d like to see the “down ballot” guys. Thanks.
Jane says “Dodd is out too, but pledges to keep up the FISA fight. He’s a class act.”
Yes.
BO can give a great speech…..but thats about all. What is his record regarding funding the war in Iraq? He is all talk…..Maybe he gave a speech saying he was against the war before he was a Senator, but his votes in the Senate should speak for themselves.
Has he actually done anything as a Senator? I think he is an empty suit taking advantage of a naive electorate……just my opinion.
How different would it be if they (I mean the Iowa Democrats) could just drop a ballot in a box?
I understand that’s just not how it is but I’ve always wondered how much different it would be.
I am really surprised that Richardson went with Obama over Edwards and especially Hillary.
I guess because of the way he seemed to be pro Hillary in the debate.
The final results look particularly bad for Hillary when you round them, as the papers and networks will:
Obama 38%
Edwards 30%
Clinton 29%
I sent a thank-you email to Chris Dodd and said we’d be beside him in his FISA fight — we will, right?
I wonder if the “Firefighters for Dodd” bus can be re-fitted to say something like “Firefighters for Edwards”…will be contacting my shop steward!
of course!
When is the Democrats’ first “closed” primary, where Hillary will challenge the two front-runners on their appeal to independents? New Hampshire allows independents to vote in the Democratic party. Does South Carolina?
Teddy, absolutely.
So Huckabee won the majority of his votes from the Evangelical and fundementalist Christian crowd.
But what I’ve seen time and time again with the GOP Presidential contenders, is that one guy does not stay on the top for long. The others will claw and drag him back down most likely. I’m expecting GOP to align together for a non-Huck way. Basically, the GOP will split tentatively between the religious and non-religious camps..
If the Democrats had a Karl Rove, he would hit this spot harder than any other spot. Attack the religion, or attack the lack of religion. That’s an easy fault line.
Dodd for majority leader!
Obama for Prez!
Edwards for AG!
Yes, indeed.
AZ Feb 5th is a closed primary…. actually called Presidential preference
I think Nevada and SC are closed primaries
I like Very Much!
Could Richardson be a VP candidate. His foreign experience would be invaluable. Also surprised that Richardson didn’t side with Hillary. Must have been some disagreements between Richardson and the Clintons. Probably about the war.
but agree about Obama - his votes in the Senate recently abou the war have been anything but stellar. Especially his not speaking out about the immunity for the telephone companies.
Thank you Jane for all of the work that you’ve done. We can always count on you to get the real scoop.
What an interesting night. It didn’t go like I thought it would but really no one can make that claim.
For all that we’ve said that tonight does not select the nominee there has been a lot of teeth nashing over the Obama win. Wow. There is still a lot of campaigning to be done. It’s going to be an exciting two weeks coming up.
Go Chris Dodd. I wish I could vote for him for Majority Leader. He’s got a set.
I’m disappointed in the press all the way around, but what is particularly frustrating is their complete omission from Edwards from any conversation. They blather on and on about the fact that Romney grossly over-spent Huckabee in Iowa, yet don’t mention the fact that Edwards spent far less money than Obama and Clinton–and he beat Clinton. Here is another case in point from you, Jane:
“Obama won 32% to 31% among Democrats over Hillary.”
Hello? John Edwards is running this race, and he beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa. He at the very least deserves a nod.
Richardson probably got a really good deal out of Obama. Not to say what it is, but Richardson probably has his eye on State, and his main issue is getting troops out of Iraq.
Thank you Chris Dodd. Good luck with the FISA fight. I will be with you! You are a true patriot!
Richardson supporters in my precinct did not uniformly march to Obama. They had about 70 people there, and I know that about 25 came over to the Edwards side. That allowed us to get enough for a 3rd delegate, definitively beating Clinton who only got 2. It was extremely exciting!
Out of the 760-odd people that caucused in my precinct, half ended up on the Obama side. They took up fully half of the auditorium we were in.
OK, how ’bout “John Edwards beat Hillary Clinton also.”?
I don’t think it would take a deal for Richardson supporters to move as a bloc to Obama. As Greg Palast said, given Richardson’s background it’s at least as apt to call him a Citibank-American as a Hispanic American; the guy is very pro-business, and people who back him would tend to be allergic to Edwards. And if they liked Clinton why would they bother with Richardson? So they would have nowhere else to go.
The thing about Dodd is that he does what Harry Reid doesn’t and what Hillary and Obama only talk about. He has shown real leadership in the FISA debate. They all could and should learn something from him.
Go Edwards!
What a strong vote of confidence from Iowans! He worked it, baby! With zero help from the press.
I am happy with his finish.
I’m just gonna share what I wrote to my best friend:
Well, pigs flew tonight. I’m heartened by the results, and think it will be very interesting to see how Edwards progresses in NH and in the South. The junior Senator from New York may be able to raise mad money, but this election isn’t going to be about that. Enough said.
Senator Obama is a very, very interesting phenomena. I don’t think he’s ready to be the President. I am convinced he should, and will be President of the United States. There’s a rumour going around the Internets that Obama and Edwards are negotiating a deal that finds them taking both of the places on the Democratic ticket, based on the outcome of the primaries. We could do much worse.
I’m sorta sad about Sad Bill Richardson, but hey, New Mexico needs a good governor. And the state of Connecticut needs a real Democratic Senator, and has one with Chris Dodd.
On the other hand, that sound you hear is Peggy Noonan’s head is exploding with the Huckabee win. Oh well.
Richardson has announced he is staying in for New Hamspshire …
I think, CanyonWren, that Jane’s seen some exit or entrance polling that shows that, among Democrats only, Obama beat Hillary 32/31, which is extraordinary considering her appeal for a “closed” primary. I don’t believe disrespect to Edwards was intended.
This would be easy to determine, as independents and GOPs needed to change their registration to participate in the Democratic caucuses tonight.
Take a look at the vote-by-ideology box of this report. The more liberal (self-identified) voters prefered Obama, while the more conservative prefered Edwards. Hmmmmm.
Tex,
Still here — am I alone?
Ditto. Exactly.
I am so sick of the biased media.
I hope Edwards has good security on out. (diddo obama)
If these guys are really for change they need to beware they don’t get the Huey Long treatment. Many say he was planning to run for prez. Assassinated in the Louisiana capitol.
And how about that dem voter turnout in crummy weather?
Had enough America?
Hell, yeah!
Gravel is not out. MSNBC ran misinformation. More info at www.gravel2008.us
Also let me give another suspicion I have — that all this money that the dems are raising is just the corporate money deciding this will be a dem prez next and are putting the money in big time to get a candidate they can live with. They have gotten everything they wanted under Bush, and now will try to maintain under a dem prez. And Obama (if they can’t have Clinton) will be that person.
It is also why I believe the republican field is so awful. They, too, know a dem president will be next (actually I think they are happy because the problems are so big and they can complain about the problems under the dem all the way to the next election ala Clinton). They are setting the next prez up for failure too. And then the next phase of the corporate takeover will begin. The next four years is a holding pattern.
O.K. it is late and I am frustrated as usual. Glad all the young people showed up; hope they are not just attracted by the shiney objects and listen to the issues; hope we continue to work for our progressive plans despite someone designating a leader for us; and hope all of america wakes the he** up.
Whoa!
Did Rachel M just kick Matthews’ ass, or what?!!?
Tweety , almost tearfull, delivers his post-mortem on the election, spinning it as politicians just needin’ a little bipartianship, starting with dropping vanity…blah blah blah.
Rachel takes that slow, high hanging curve and blasts it out of the park. Saying how it ain’t a matter of getting the two party’s singin’ Kumbaya on say, universal healthcare. But to deal with the real obstruction to progress on the issue– the medical industrial complex. (Okay, she didn’t use that exact term, but you get the idea.)
You go goirl!
Me too, GrandmaJ. Ditto dat.
Isn’t it ironic that a man with a Kenyan father just took a huge step tonight toward becoming President of the United States during the exact same time in Kenya, there are hundreds being killed as a result of their elections?
Rachel was quite feisty with Matthews all night. I hope it was her audition for Tucker’s spot. She passed with flying colors, in my view.
My dream is a contested Democratic Convention. The Dem candidates stay in the news for the next 7-8 months and we get to air all of our ideas on how to clean up the Republican mess. I really don’t want our candidate to be picked too soon. That happened last election and the camera fell off of Kerry and onto the next dead blonde chick. That is my nightmare.
ELECTION RESULTS
Iowa Democrats Vote %
Obama 940 38%
Edwards 744 30
Clinton 737 29
Richardson 53 2
Biden 23 1
Dodd 1 0
Others 3 0
100% reporting
Full results » Republicans Vote %
Huckabee 38,656 34%
Romney 28,311 25
Thompson 15,044 13
McCain 14,759 13
Paul 11,216 10
Giuliani 3,860 3
Others 504 0
93% reporting
Democratic vote totals are based on an estimate of the number of state convention delegates a candidate would receive.
Rachel’s theme was that we hear the same bodacious promises about this time every election cycle, and Congress has to pass many of these things.
I’d have liked to hear a lot more Rachel and less Mathews.
I am really cynical on Iraq stopping,and I hope I’m proved dead wrong.
I only saw Rachel in her first appearance and she looked a bit odd. Had trouble making eye contact/looking at the camera. Did that get better?
If Rachel were to get Tucker’s spot, that’d be great. I’ve been listening to her radio show for a good while. Articulate truth to power would be spoken there.
Just catching up on the last post and I must say…
Huckabee can de-liver!
Ron Paul (R) (Crazy)
gets 10%, beating out Ghouliani.
Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Bye Rudy.
Edwards results were much less impressives among democrats:
Obama 32%
Clinton 31%
Edwards 23%
Strangely, Edwards seem more popular with the conservatives. (See #39.)
Does anyone have sense of whether or not Edwards has enough money to stay in through super Tuesday?
PetePierce, you said you are cynical on “Iraq stopping”? Why? Won’t Obama try to stop this war? Yeah, I don’t believe it either. The military complex is just to big.
You betcha we will be with Dodd on FISA.
And that, too. Jeesh, I tell ya.
Bad omen for the GOP
Each of our Democratic candidates received twice(nearly or more) of the Repug winner.
More dems prefering Obama I don’t understand. From my point of view Edwards public positions are much clearer. Obama left lots of wiggle room. Maybe I have not done my due diligence, but didn’t he skip some key votes recently.
The GOP may need Huckabee to help them all pray for forgiveness after their resounding defeat next November.
Which is why they don’t want to run against Edwards. He would, indeed, pull in just the votes that Obama is saying he wants. Although i would not consider Obama a liberal. Other than being against the war, in words if not actions, early, is Obama that liberal about things like health care?
Lets just hope this isn’t them trying to game our selection process.
Okay, thank you for that explaination. I do think she should have posted that information if it is, indeed, the way she views it. No mention of him just furthers the notion that Edwards is a non-entity.
Jeez, The Beard already trying to extrapolate the results to the Convention in August.
Please.
Wow. What a frickin evening!!
I can’t remember the last time I felt this psyched. The turnout and the excitement and all the new voters caucasing on the Democratic side.
Elated!!
Thanks for that calculation, Katymine. Very powerful numbers indeed.
Edwards needs to wake up and find an outpouring of bucks in his campaign right soon. I feel awful that he may be unable to get to Feb 5 for lack of money.
The fact that Obama is cozy with Holy Joe Liarman is enough for me to take everything he (BO) says with a huge grain of salt. He only looks and sounds like change. But he votes very conservatively, if at all. I’m very suspicious of his alliances.
Edwards is walking the walk. So is/was Dodd.
I share your frustration about TradMed’s deliberate overlooking of Edwards, but you will not find it much in evidence hereabouts. Tweety couldn’t even say his name tonite! Except, of course, to refer to him as someone who wants to redistribute wealth.
Tweety’s greatest fear is that his own wealth will be redistributed. I want his house on Martha’s Vineyard, and I plan to share it will ALL of you!
FISA will be very interesting too. Reid is poised to defeat Dodd and he needs help from other Senators who need to grow a backbone in two weeks–I hope that can be done.
It’s not just immunity that has to fail–the whole S. 2248 simply reeks, and the reason is that if you read it, the judgement as to what is illegal is left to the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence. They need to gut it and start over really.
I don’t know enough about these things but this speaks volumes about Edwards electability. In a general election, he’d get the liberal vote plus pull a lot of conservatives. Talk about reaching across the aisle!
But, what’s with the very liberal (self-described) folks who prefer Obama. What’s up with them?
My question does that apply?
Did they check voter registration at the Caucus door?
Do they know how many were actual Democrats vs independents vs Repugs?
When you hear comments that Repugs were showing up in numbers to vote for Obama just to cast an anti-Hillary vote (see TaylorMarsh), I am just not sure.
Let’s just let new FISA lapse.
While I’m sad that Dodd had to concede and drop out at this point, I still think he should continue on in one other arena: build support to be selected the next Majority Leader. Reid’s proven to be less effective than we progressives want in that position…less effective at standing up to the Executive, less effective at utilising the Democratic majority, less effective in choosing some of his committee leadership. I can’t help but think that Dodd would do better in that position….I *really* want somebody who would have the Shrub and Deadeye Dick worry, not only over their last days in office, but for years afterwards, by constantly investigating what documents come out of this Presidency unshredded and un-deleted, and assiduously prosecuting all law-breaking exposed.
My understanding is that non-Democrats were required to change their registration tonite in order to participate. Not sure how carefully anyone checked, but I’ll bet Iowans were thorough.
Edwards would be a fine President IMHO and it would be exciting and he is a terrifically smart lawyer who knows Washington and the Senate, but my man is Obama, and I’d look for him to be pretty clear.
The other aspect is that promises just fly during this time of year Ms.Anna,and trying to compare them and what actually can happen with a recalcitrant Congress is tough to do.
That link gave you a quick reference to positions on many key issues if you click on the tabs.
That is just the solution to a lot of things…
Don’t vote for emergency war funding…
Just don’t vote for a new FISA bill
Just don’t vote for funding for the Fourth Branch of Cheney
Just don’t confirm any MORE wingnut judges
For how long? Wouldn’t Dubya just run on executive orders?
Just my guess: Obama keeps preaching about “change” and this will sell. Most people don’t really follow how a senator votes on stuff. Even medium info folks. the political junkies here know the real deal, but does this cut through the noise?
Edwards is the most sincere candidate besides Dodd and perhaps Kucinich IMHO. That’s my keyword for his campaign: sincerity.
Minnesota won a special election tonight giving us a veto proof majority. Halleluja. I am going to try to link on this new site so if I miss it, it is on Kos diary.
Teddy I’ve been confused on that point. If you can nail that down, I’d sure appreciate it because if they had to change registration,obviously it has much more significace. Also I’m not sure how the rumors that Republicans were intentionally trying to get Obama first in Iowa really played out, given the registration question.
It is beyond understanding that our Senate Majority Leader is anti-choice. Can you imagine the GOPs with a tax-raiser as Leader? Choice is a core Democratic value, as taxcuts are to the GOPs.
Reid must go.
Oh crud. Didn’t work. I will try it again.
My hope is that by the time new Hampshire is over the Gopers will read the writing on the wall and start de funding the war.
I wonder, also, if folks could newly register tonite. And, if so, how many newly registered participants attended, and whom they caucused for.
After this caucus, I say Edwards has a fighting chance. In fact, this will turn a lot MORE attention to Edwards. The last year, we’ve heard Obama vs. Clinton. Nothing but Obama vs. Clinton. The worst political attacks, and the worse coverage between the two.
Now, if the numbers are displayed correctly, people will see ‘whos this Edwards guy, and why’s he ahead of Clinton?’ People may even research further just to make sure. Edwards is a clean guy. I don’t bump into people who don’t like him. Even conservative friends of mine prefer Edwards over all other Dems and quite a few GOP’ers too. Of course, I know plenty of conservatives who have beef with Obama or Clinton for plenty of the Red Meat reasons. But Edwards? Less Red Meat reasons to hate him. Actually comes off well.
Who can vote in Iowa
Romney supporters: Reagan lost Iowa, as did George H W Bush in 1988 (to Pat Robertson, another preacherman)
Teddy,
I am with you — your voice is so assuring.
Christine
I thought I was a dreamer! If only it worked like that, if only. Goopers are owned by their sponsors, not by voters. They have demonstrated that time and again in the past few years, haven’t they? And are they all feeling so very confident in their ability to pull out the bag o’ dirty tricks to get the job done come election time?
Sorry for my cynicism. I am really still enjoying the showing that Edwards got tonight.
Tomorrow I’ll try to nail that as well.
The Beard reporting Biden is out too.
It’s important that Tweety be reminded of his prediction that John McCain would get 18% of the GOP caucus voters, every time he crows about his Obama prediction.
Way past my bed time….. Thanks for being there Jane…. nite nite all.
Me too. Last day to play with my niece and nephew before they head back home to Oregon. We went to the Snake Farm today. Who knows what the morrow brings?
Katymine it seems that they have to register as Democrats, but I’m still not sure of the implications for them in the general election and other elections:
Caucus Night Proceedures:
Who Can Participate at the Caucuses?In order to participate in the Iowa Democratic Party’s First-in-the-Nation Caucuses youmust meet the following qualifications:•
Be a resident of Iowa and of the precinct in which you wish to participate.•
Be a U.S. citizen and otherwise eligible voter (18 by November 4, 2008).•
Be a registered voter, registered as a Democrat (you can register at the caucus).•
Be in the registration line or signed in by 7:00pm.
From:
Precinct Caucus Guide
“Minnesota DFL gains veto proof margin in Senate with special election victory” is the title of the Kos diary. Sorry I could not link. But absolutely great news.
Like many here, I have been disappointed at times with Obama, especially recently. I have been disappointed several times in Edwards as well. Dodd and Kucinch have made me go “WTF!?!” several times over the years.
But I can’t get over Obama’s story. Imagine him as a kid in Hawaii or Indonesia telling his schoolmaster that he’s gonna be the President someday. I can only imagine the responses he would’ve (did) gotten. Now here he is tonight taking a huge step closer to that possibility. Truly living the mythical “American Dream.”
Bill Clinton overcame some big odds as well, but frankly they were pretty minor compared to what Obama has had to overcome. Having lost my mother at a fairly young age similar to Obama, before she could see much of what I have accomplished, and my wife and children, I can only imagine what he must be feeling right now.
Assuming he’s the candidate, which is by no means certain at this point, I do hope that much of the pandering he has been doing is based on what he’s learned to do in society to get into this position in the first place. His worldly “street smarts,” and what he has done his entire adult life give me some confidence that he’ll be quite Liberal.
At this point, I’m thinking he has quite a tightrope walk to walk at all times given his skin color, so I’m willing to chalk some of this stuff up to that. Time will tell of course.
Sure there’s some chance involved with Obama, but with another Clinton we know what we’re going to get, and I know I don’t want that. I’m sure Ruturd Murdoch wasn’t happy with Clinton’s showing tonight.
Snake Farm
I hope Biden will join Dodd, as he promised many months ago, in his FISA filibuster. Fewer distractions, perhaps….
That would be great.
At the very least. Not one more judge until 1/21/09.
Not one more Federalist mole.
-G
Grandma J–
Your link:
Minnesota DFL gains veto proof margin in Senate with special election victory
Just right click that title on KOS>copy>paste into the box after clicking link and getting rid of it’s extra http>put your title in between the >and< .</p>
I have to say I sort of admired how Biden kept his family so actively involved in his campaign.. even though I would have advised him to hide his sister with her annoying voice/accent.
Yep, he’s singing about the one we went to today. Anybody traveling south to San Antonio on I-35 has seen the signs. It is a pretty grodie (sp) place, but the kids loved it. (We took two other kids along.)
Pretty good night, all things considered. I’d like to have seen Edwards win, but he’s still alive, and Obama, with some help from John, just derailed the Clinton Coronation Express, at least temporarily. :o)
I liked her high-minded “concession” speech. Now, for the next five days, with her campaign hanging in the balance, we’ll see how gracious she really is.
Bill Bennett got off a good warning to Obama:
“Tell him to cover his back and his knees. The Clinton’s play hardball.”
:o)
If she can’t win New Hampshire, the money and the support will begin drying up, and too, Obama has a good chance to win in South Carolina.
After all the hype, if Clinton is ofer three after the first three primaries, she’ll be dusting off her senate seat.
A pure delight to see Huckabee win. :o)
Limbaugh, Coulter, Novak, Will, and the rest of the “real” conservatives will be frothing at the mouth about Huckabee for the next five days. :o)
MSNBC will have to double Chris Matthews’ time-slot, so he can have the airtime to diss Huck AND Clinton. :o)
It seems that way. I’m hoping JP Stevens stays in good health. The Court was dealt an egregiously terrible blow when the nitwit Democrats on SJC let Roberts and Alito through while licking their ass the whole way.
It is one of the most hurtful Democratic blunders in two decades IMHO.
After how hard MSM pimped Clinton, they sure must be sore that the constantly-smeared Obama and the constantly-ignored Edwards pulled ahead of their horse.
One is licking their wounds, the other champions in the shadows. I like Edwards and Obama. I like what they’ve done with what’s been thrown at them.
just sounds nasty
Thanks for the link pete, I wondered what DFL stood for. I couldn’t believe that Grandma J would say dirty f’ing liberals…at least not in her headline! ;)