I have no idea who's going to win in Iowa today. But I have uncovered more evidence that the Unity '08/the-Democratic-Congress-is-less-popular-than-Bush crowd really needs to STFU immediately.
Thousands more Iowa independent voters are expected to turn out for Democrat presidential candidates than Republicans at today’s Iowa caucuses.
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The Des Moines Register’s late November poll showed 21 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers identified themselves as independents, a group that accounted for a surprising 40 percent in the Register’s poll this week.
Meanwhile, the Register’s poll showed independents accounting for 20 percent likely GOP caucusgoers, up from 13 percent in late November.
Surprisingly, people in the middle don't like it when you lose two wars, fail to solve or at least competently address any major problems of the day, and preside over flat middle class incomes degraded further by record gas prices and rising health care costs. Weird but true!
And I love this from my boy Kenny Mehlman:
"But there’s two ways you can look at this data. One is you can try to explain it away, or you can worry about it," added Mehlman, Bush’s 2004 reelection campaign manager and former White House political director.
"It seems to me the smart strategy is to worry, because if you’re worried, you can take steps to fix it," added Mehlman, who is unaffiliated with any of the campaigns in 2008. "One of the mistakes I think we made in '06 a little bit was not enough folks got concerned early in the process that year about where the elections were going."
Kenny must've forgotten than the GOP also lost the independent vote in 2004 when they were squeezing every last vote of their shrinking base. And of course, they lost it again in 2006 as well.
Heckuva job with that Republican brand, Bushie!
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we need PROGRESSIVE dems not Puke-lite
EDWARDS ALL THE WAY yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is anybody home?
okay where is everybody …its cold and lonely at the top!
Well, I’m here.
Bluetex….yooooooooooooo hooooooooooo
It’s cold in Illinois too, and the poor folks in Iowa will be freezing their a**es off when they caucus. Hope it helps Edwards. Enough of these lawless, immoral Repukes.
this is good
news for republicans-2 F
6 degrees here …of separation?
my little lap dogs refused to go out
BT: It might be useful to point out the differences in expected total turnout for Dems and Reps. You cite 20% independents in both groups, but the AP story out this morning shows a much higher total (120,000-150,00 vs. 80,000 to 90,000) for the Dems. That gives a much higher absolute number of independents caucausing for the Dems.
It’s 9 degrees here and will be 15 below with windchill factor by this afternoon. Same as it will be across the river in Iowa.
wannas know why i hate GREENSPAQN ,ANDREA and ALL the cronies?
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0102.html
Geez. It’s even cold here in FL this morning.
Go Edwards. I am a CO-Precinct captain. He had over 3000 people turn out for his John Mellancamp/Edwards rally last night. This was considerably more than Obama or Hillary was able to get to come out. Hopefully, these same folks will turn out tonight and propel Edwards to victory.
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez Greenspan …sorry bout that
I had trouble grasping the quoted text on the numbers. Perhaps this is explanatory, although I still don’t really understand:
It is actually warming up here today. High’s in the upper twenties. Woo Hoo.
Er, no. You misread the article, which reads:
So it’s 40% to 20% or 2:1.
i love the guy
we are all suffering under this corporate JUNTA…pets are now being discarded just dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyum!
Oops, sorry.
Katrina was the microcosm…the rest of us the MACRO
Just read over at Crooks & Liars that Thompson will drop out within days if he doesn’t show well in Iowa. Don’t think his heart is in it, and we know that we don’t need another lazy thinker.
Irish Jim I’m glad you guys will warm up somewhat. Good thing the caucus’ aren’t tomorrow night when we’re scheduled to have some more freezing rain.
i am praying on this VERY cold day,for all the peeps,and pets that are cold and hungry in the richest nation in the world
the bush brand is not the republican brand
the bush brand is the fascist brand, real republicans and real concervatives have nowhere to go but the democrats
It is now.
Apparently according to numerous reports, some from MSNBC’s Morning Joe: Obama’s numbers are up because several Repugs are gonna caucus for him. That’s real swell ain’t it?
“Heckuva job with that Republican brand, Bushie!”
heh heh…I really enjoy seeing all the GOP candidates flocking away from Bush’s stained legacy. It’ll be fun to watch the nominee hold W at arm’s length, as if failure is communicable.
tattoo it on their rich corporate asses
trying to screw Edwards
Oil supplies down in USA, prices going up. What a racket. What a deal for America?
Thank you BlueTexan, now that is a very thoughtful balanced way to read that poll.
The Repub field of presidential candidates is so disappointing that I’m not surprised to find true independents looking at the Dem candidates. However, I think it would be a mistake to believe that this phenomena will necesarily translate to lower level races as well. Many independents are seriously angry that they voted for Dems last November in order to see some true Bush opposition–opposition that never materialized.
they think they can beat the hill because they have disparaged her for so long the base hates her, they think they can beat obama because he is black and the base hates blacks
they got nothing on edwards, they really don’t want him to run
“It seems to me the smart strategy is to worry, because if you’re worried, you can take steps to fix it,” added Mehlman, who is unaffiliated with any of the campaigns in 2008. “One of the mistakes I think we made in ‘06 a little bit was not enough folks got concerned early in the process that year about where the elections were going.”
Not enough folks from Diebold and ES&S got concerned early enough to fix it.
Maybe those REpugs are going to become Obama Democrats, as long as they vote for him in the general too, that is fine with me.
And while you are praying for the Chinese, say a few for those of us in the United States as well. /s
they won’t, they think they can beat him in the general because he’s black they can mobilize the base who hate the black
you betchyorsweetass
That’s just Clinton spin, another lie, another day. Finally, this day may be the beginning of the end for the Clintons in national politics.
Republicans need to face the fact that they have lost their brand, all that will be left of that party will be the Bush 20% Evangelicals.
too dark …they wont sadlyyes
OfT - a little blowback for the latest NIE?
(I think that this is a real live, serious article, but it reads like snark)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....newsletter
hahahahahahahaha
spilled my coffee
I hope there is a state law in Iowa that prevents Republikans from switching party affiliations on the spot. Obama Lieberman has me worried.
Re: Repugs for Obama:
Jane speculated on this as well in a post yesterday…
this is why bloomberg has a shot at republican voters if he runs and he will run if huck or mitt win the primaraies, I doubt he’ll run if mccain wihs
I think he takes more republicans then democrats, what’s firedog lake’s wisdom on that?
We’ll all see what happens tonight in the Hawkeye state, eh? No more speculating.
I know of a vet that has about 20 cats, because people drop their pets off and can’t afford the bill, so they abandon.
i have visions of dark smokey rooms where these guys snort coke,and NEVER give up on their evil plots to steal elections…they terrify me worse than any jihadist…well flip side of the same coin i guess
I’m not so sure. If I were a Republican, I would hate to vote for my party this year, and I would prefer the other party to nominate someone not quite so partisan so I could feel secure voting for that someone. I think Obama is that guy, and in an open election, why shouldn’t I caucus for him if I were willing to vote for him in the general election?
They like how he makes change.
Edwards is a trial lawyer - the rethugs hate trial lawyers unless they happen to be representing rethugs. In that case, trial lawyers are OKIE DOKIE. Same thing with womens’ reproductive issues. Same thing with other false morality issues, m*rijuana and gun laws. Hypocrisy is the name of the game. When issues come home to roost and affect the personal life of a republican, he changes his tune every time.
Bloomberg:
If he runs he’ll f*ck things up for the Dems, not the Repugs…And if he runs he might well be the 2008 version of Nader in 2000.
i would be VERY pleased to send him some money…i rescue abandonded pets also
even though the media finds it shocking, voters are flocking to the party that is still discussing the war and really doesn’t care about hate based immigration policy.
lou dobbs go home
because sadly most are biggots,and think they are better
From your mouth to the Iowa voters.
I still have the tire tracks from the Clinton throwing us under the bus in the 90’s
DOMA
NAFTA
DONT ASK DONT TELL
Oh and good riddance to Carville and Begala too!
the sun just came out…oh yea!
Ummm because everything from A-Z about Obama has shades of Lieberman. Starting with Obama’s mentorship when first entering Congress. His support of Lieberman during the CT primaries. Chastising CT Dems at a fundraising dinner for booing a man who represents noting Dem these days. His BS lipservice to Lamont. His crapola about bipartisanship and social security in the hope of trumping Hilary durng the Russert debate. His equivocating. His last minute “decisions.” His no-show on Kyl/Lieberman, than chastising Hilary for voting on it (Even if her vote was disgusting, at least she bothered to show). His preference for the company of fundraisers rather than getting his arse down to DC to defend Chris Dodd’s stand on the FISA legislation. . . .*sigh* /rant off.
Reuters via NY Times Bloomberg says he’s not a Presidential candidate. Again.
Her. I don’t think she needs the money. She’s an excellant vet. Nice intuitive touch, and saved my cats numerous times.
I second. All in favor Aye, all opposed No.
His politics and record seem much more Republican than Democratic. So without much more information than that, I assumed that he’d pull more R-votes than D-votes, thus helping the Democrats. You’ve obviously thought about it and come to the opposite conclusion. May I ask why?
Means nothing or it could mean he is going to run. ‘Berg could jump in any time now.
Aye
mui1@62Please tell us how you really feel?
707
Aye
oh good…i thought you meant army vet…sorry
still havent heard from PY…can you believe it,and theres not a darn thing i can do about it…so many to worry about in the BOOOOOOOOOOOOsh
Boom
You want more?!? I’d be happy to oblige, but sometimes I run out of steam when I go on a precipitous rant.
BREAKING. WE WIN. von Spakosky gives up the FEC. !!! Snoopy dance!!!! *G* also tears.
links follow.
I love passionate people. You don’t sound like you run out of steam to me!
i agree with everything you said…and he also threw the gays under the bus
Thanks. I’ve read that. But I don’t believe him. Why is he going to that meeting in OK then?
Several people are going to that meeting. Not all plan to run.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005012.php
“Hans von Spakovsky threw in the towel on New Years Eve, in an e-mail sent out to supporters.”
The analysis I’ve heard all along is that a very large turnoutin Iowa, including a lot of independents and Republicans, works for Obama and against Edwards and Clinton. If it’s a national trend, and they would vote Democratic in the general, it would suggest a strong Democratic victory. However, it would not seem to suggest a particulary strong showing for the most progressive part of the Democratic Party.
Perhaps Biodun feels that Blooberg as a third choice would have greater appeal to Independents than the Democratic candidate would. But not necessarily greater appeal to Republican voters. I have a bad feeling about all this centrist crap spawning a Unity Party candidate set. The writing is on the wall - with those AARP ads that morph the donkey and the elephant. Its a clever way to save the rethug brand - throw it out and make a new one masked in centrism (ergo, more rethug bad policy and governance).
The only thing better than running against Hillary, is running against Obama.
Repugs rate Edwards toughest to beat.
This piece is prominent at the Daily Paul, Ron Paul’s “daily forum”
Israeli defense firm that tallies the Iowa caucus
I can find nothing at all about this in the MSM. But, I must say, I’d feel a lot more comfortable if I heard it strongly denied by someone whose word I respect. I’ve also seen the claim that there will be no audit trail available for this vote. Again, I’ve been unable to substantiate it.
If nothing else, it’s emblematic of our disturbing national tendency to turn over the underpinnings of our “democratic” system to corporations whose impartiality is far from guaranteed.
Anybody seen anything more about this?
i feel Obama will never be elected in a gneral election…look at the absolute hate of Mexicans,this country is teh RACIST!
That was just the most recent statement (today) where he has said it. He may not mean it but if he eventually caves in and runs (I can imagine that he is getting a lot of pressure from the Unity08/Broderella to spend his money to make them happy), then he becomes fair game across the board, including all his denials.
Hope the door hit him right square in the ass on his way out.
Sounds like good news - the independent voters going dem. But color me a skeptic. The last seven years have taught me not to believe that this is the final straw for republicans.
Has anyone wondered, as I am sure has been mentioned/pondered/questioned whether the republicans are voting dem to get the candidate THEY want, and will not stay dem for the general? Because I don’t trust anybody at this point on just about anything.
Sorry to be such a doubter. True belief in our voting system, let along republicans to see light, is scarce for me.
I AM SO VERY SICK of this meddling
I have no idea what he is selling except has say he can make change happen. But he’s never specific about what he finds wrong with the status quo. He’ll eliminate poverty without identifying its causes. There are no villians in his world. Just unpleasantries that he’ll fix, so he assures us with unctious sincerity.
If that’s true, how could a big turnout in Iowa be a good thing?
i REALLLLLLLY want to remain hopefull
Bloomberg leans to the left a bit on social issues. He was a Dem before he was mayor and switched only because he lost out of the Dem primary. Sound familiar? But seriously, a lot of New Yorkers think of him as a moderate Dem in Repug clothing. If eCAHN is at the Lake, she’ll confirm this…
do you NOT believe we live in a VERY rascist country?
Uh huh. He also said has said that obvious racial issues are not racial issues. Jena Six. New Orleans. Moyers with Walters on why the black community doesn’t wholeheartedly embrace Barack Obama.
Thanks gaiilonfong@75 *blushing.*
I think it’s always a mistake to look to Republicans’ preferences to pick our nominee. I never see Republicans say, “Democrats don’t want to face X” and I suspect it’s because they’re just really used to winning. Who cares what Republicans rate?
Actually he switched before the primaries as he knew he would not make it through a Dem primary.
Which means he at least had some small level of honor (unlike Short Ride)
Laikoff keeps telling us that there are no votes in the middle. But say that Bloomberg takes all of them, where otherwise they’d have split 50/50 for Dems/Repubs. That’s not a problem. In fact, I think he’ll take more of the indeps who’d have otherwise gone Republican in the general election. (YMMV)
i live in the South…its still Civil War here,im amazed how intractable the feelings are here,(moved here last summer)
From Moyers transcript:
Recognize the implication. ENORMOUS.
For the elections:
The Repubs had frozen all nominations to FEC if they could not keep him on it. The FEC thus lacked a quorum and went out of business on Jan. 1 as a regulator of election law. As Little Hans was Obama’s hold, this says something for his senatorial record.
For culpalization of the Bush crimes:
This is the time to revive efforts to his disbarment for moral turpitude made when USA broke on TPM. IANAL, but I remembering citing here the opinions of those who are and thought the case, while difficult, could be made. If there are any takers, I can hunt them down.
Work calls. will check in later.
That’s way to large a discussion for me today. Short, in some ways yes, in some ways no. My point only has to do with Iowa and the general election. It doesn’t seem consistent to me to be for Edwards and gleeful over a large number of independents and Republicans crossing over.
in my mind its still US against the corporate candidates, just sayin
And more:
This trend for Edwards also shows up in the head-to-head polls. All three top Dem candidates beat all three top Rep candidates, but Edwards beats them all by a larger margin than Hillary or Obama.
i am not gleeful,and truly not very hopeful that the STATUS QUO will change one iota…but i must try to be!
Where in the South are you?
TN
Morning all. We’re inching up twds 20 deggggreeeeze F. in n.e. OH, but it feels colder. At least the sun’s out, sorta, & the snow’s right purty.
Hats off to the caucus-attendees. Make Iowa proud, folks!
I think I saw that crazy gal from the Mr. Professor ad on computer-learnin’ being interviewed last night (”I swear even my 3 yr old can do the computer better than I can half the time.” - THAT gal). Teh presumed idjit claimed she loved Hill till she heard Hucksterbee and swooned for him till she heard Dodd, so now she loves Dodd… - as she burbled on, it appeared she’s gonna go with the last thing to pass by her nose. I HATE that! I’m hoping she was just playing a pesky reporter for getting in her face. If that’s not the case, I suggest her keepers let her outta the house more, not necessarily to caucus…
I grew up in Kentucky. My great-grandfather fought in the Confederate Army and spent 18 months in a Yankee prison camp. After the war, the South was an occupied territory for 10-12 years. There are many folks my age (mid-50s) who grew up hearing stories about the (Civil War/War Between The States/War of Northern Aggression - choose whichever name worked for your family). It doesn’t make it right, but it makes it somewhat understandable.
the media will give us 2 more corp whores unless Huckadoodle squeaks through imo
Well, as long as they don’t let her cross the street all by herself or, God forbid, drive…
we are products of our internal tapes, and our families shaping imo
Where Freddie Thompson will soon be relegated to civil war re-enactments.
-G
hahahahahahaha
mediocrity pays him well
I’m in GA. It does depend a lot on your general area. In the metro areas the racism is much less prevalent, but still exists. The radio talk show hosts make sure of that. Here, just outside Atlanta, what I see is not so much anti-black, but anti-furriner. Get a littler further out, and it is anti-not-white.
Among all the crazy conservatives, Kentucky has a tradition of producing some really fine progressives.
correction to my above.
HIS Disbarment for moral turpitude made when USA broke on TPM.
oh whoever controls our universe, please send us the ANTI-BOOOOOOOOSH!
I’d like to see the whole Republican Party relegated to political re-enactments. They can reminisce about the good old days, while we run the country.
When do the evening festivities begin?
its all the same…the OTHER
Yes we do live in a racist country. But both conservative, moderates and semi libruls, are willing to pick a “moderate” black man who will preserve the status quo, than a Kucinich or a Cynthia McKinney or an Edwards. We were supposed to think that Colin Powell represents diversity and progress in the Bush Camp.
That’s a good point. There are a lot of hawks that gag on the religiosity and social conservativism that the Rs need to pitch to hold their “base.” For example a lot of jewish voters. They could vote for Bloomberg but would otherwise have voted for a democrat. He’s BigBrother who believes in evolution and stem-cell research. Okay.