Across the blogiverse on this first day of voting for the Democratic presidential nomination, there's been a good deal of discussion of Chris Hayes' musings on undecided voters, in which he assesses their lack of interest in issues and concludes:
As far as I can tell, this leaves Democrats with two options: either abandon "issues" as the lynchpin of political campaigns and adopt the language of values, morals, and character as many have suggested; or begin the long-term and arduous task of rebuilding a popular, accessible political vocabulary--of convincing undecided voters to believe once again in the importance of issues.
Actually, having gone through similar mental contortions in wrestling with this problem more than a year ago, I'm happy to report that these aren't separate options -- the solution is to make valuing issues a moral/character issue, as I wrote here in October 2006:
Where the jujitsu -- and the genuine reframing -- of the opportunity lies is in Democrats' ability to portray their unique values of pursuing real solutions to real problems, for the common good and with genuine accountability, as being the morally grounded source of security that sanctimonious Republican posturing promises to be, but isn't.
. . . If you think of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, you've got exactly the kind of identity that Democrats should be projecting -- not ideologues wanting to revolutionize the world with grandiose schemes, but honest, morally centered men and women who want to do the right thing and are smart and determined enough to get it done.
That's the Democratic version of morality.
What does this have to do with tonight's Iowa caucuses? Well, a couple of months ago, I got my ass kicked in comments ruffled some feathers here by suggesting that a similar, personality-rooted commitment to solving problems (or "true grit," for short) was the essence of what Democratic primary voters would be looking for, and thus far Hillary Clinton was doing the best job of fitting that profile.
What's happened since? Even if Clinton should win tonight, she will have certainly lost her perceived dominance. The problem is that, to quote myself from November, "her rationale is her experience, combined with her ability to take a punch" -- and she never fully regained her stride from the first punch she took from Obama and Edwards, the charges that she was too close to the current power structure to change it effectively.
The specifics of the attacks aside, Hillary's underwhelming response was inconsistent with the character her side was seeking to project. (And it's not like the GOP won't launch similar criticisms of her in the fall.) As Christy noted a little while ago, even her closing statement to Iowans "needs an infusion of some kick ass 'take action' ideas."
For most politicians, throwing out some passionate true-believer rhetoric to reassure the base would be child's play. But Clinton seems determined to live up to her overcautious stereotype, and you can see "microtargeting"-obsessed pollster/campaign guru Mark Penn checking off the notes she's supposed to hit (e.g., strong with women, people who liked Bill Clinton, and those who value experience) in her messaging.
Because people tend to prefer an impractical plan for doing the right thing versus a practical plan for doing the wrong thing, Clinton's failure to silence the doubts about her passion and commitment has left the door open to her challengers. But as Jane wrote today, Edwards seems to have made the opposite mistake -- focusing entirely on his willingness to fight, and leaving audiences uncertain about his ability to deliver. Although I tend to agree with Edwards the most on the issues, I'm struck by how he almost seems more caught up in his personal drama of challenging a corrupt system than in persuading voters he's the best person to change it.
All of which leaves Barack Obama happily perched in between, more rhetorically opposed to the status quo than Clinton, but without Edwards' jarring notes of confrontation almost for its own sake. I've criticized Obama more than any other candidate these past few months, but look at his closing ad and tell me if it doesn't aim for that Jimmy Stewart-like tone I was mentioning above, with lines like "I'm running to finally solve problems we talk about year after year after year" and "I've spent my life working for change that's made a real difference in the lives of real people."
If prospective Iowa caucusers sit still long enough to hear Obama make his case, making excellent use of his deep, confident voice (and if they ignore his hyperactive hand gestures), that ad strikes me as the most effective appeal he's made yet.
There are a lot of variables at play tonight besides messaging -- such as on-the-ground organizing, effectiveness in turning out supporters, and the quirks of caucusing -- and Clinton and Edwards' closing messages certainly offer their share of reality-based commitment to solving problems as well (the campaigns seem to understand what I've been preaching, even if it took awhile for them to learn!). But for the moment, in large part due to the choices made by his opponents, Obama appears to have found himself on the inside track. If Clinton or Edwards are able to overtake him, tonight or in the next few weeks, it'll be because they found a better way to merge the pragmatism and passion that Democratic voters are looking for.
(P.S. This post was completed by 5:00 PM Pacific Time, before results started coming in.)
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So many youngin’s showing up to vote. This is a good sign for the future.
yo
hiya!
bless their hearts
Grrrrrrrrrrr….. i have just gotten onto the FDL site after repeated tries to access the sit - now finally after the results are in i made it!! wanted to follow along - has anyone here had a problem earlier tonight?
Obama 37.55
Edwards 29.86
Clinton 29.40
Richardson 2.09
Biden 0.94
Uncommitted 0.13
Dodd 0.02
1722/1781
Tell me when they show up for the election
My brain hurts.
Results:
Obama : 37.55%
Edwards : 29.86%
Clinton : 29.40%
Richardson : 2.09%
Biden : 0.94%
Uncommitted : 0.13%
Dodd : 0.02%
Precincts Reporting: 1722/1781
now i’m going back to read what i missed…. i am going to calm down now
Yeah, the numbers for the youth vote are astonishing. Joe Trippi must be kicking himself wondering why they didn’t show for Dean four years ago. :)
A black Lieberman and a white southern baptist preacher man. Polarization will be the new over used word.
According to Tweety, Edwards gave a bizzare speech because he did not concede and Hillary is Thomas fucking Jefferson.
Everyone has had problems tonight … we’re working on it so please be patient
Aaack. Blinded by Chuck Norris’s teeth. Back in a minute…
I just wrote a post on how Edwards won in Iowa.
http://youthinkleft.com/2008/01/03/474/
access got frustrating for many…but worth sticking. builds character for the long plan *g*
Democratic participation up 82%…booyah!
Swopa, I’m mighty impressed you wrote that *before* the results came in. Should we just read everything you write from now on, including the grocery list?
Yes. Many of us, but it’s being worked on.
(Siun: I see you’ve moved up here . . . here’s my EPU response, last thread)
I watched him in NH last time and was very very impressed but I think his foreign policy does not keep pace with his domestic
I appreciate your tracking. I also have a feeling he’s showing signs of being willing to learn from us, his party’s majority, in a way similar to your comments on how Obama can be educated . . .
Yes
If everyone bitching about the servers would log out it would solve the problem:)
Raven,
There were many high school students very active in the caucus talking and trying to get undecideds to Obama. I think kids that will show up at a caucus will find voting a lot easier
Back from the caucus–thanks to my husband for posting my reports until the sight went down for him.
Well, it was interesting. My caucus place was a junior college where the Republicans were also going. There were two lines shuffling in opposite directions, giving the corner skunk-eye to each other as they passed. ;)
I heard that the turnout in my district was at least three times as big as it normally is. It made for a lot of sardined-in people, standing shoulder to shoulder. The Clinton and Obama crowds were larger than the Edwards crowd right away. The Obama crowd was predominantly young people, but the Edwards and Clinton crowds were mixed.
At first count, Dodd had 0, Kucinich had 1, Uncommitted had 1, Biden 12, Richardson 23, Edwards 48, Clinton 73, and Obama 87. After reps from the three big camps gave speeches, the room started flowing back and forth, with people trying to woo others from the smaller camps. Biden’s people were sitting right next to me; they looked depressed and the Obamians swooped on them. One old lady wouldn’t budge from her seat and a few left altogether. I noticed that there weren’t any Edwards people talking to them, so pushed my way in and asked if I could answer any questions. After a few minutes of talking, the remaining Biden-folk decided to follow me over to Edwards’ group.
Also, the ONE uncommitted woman came by my table where an Obama guy was telling her why she should vote with him. She turned to me and asked me why I liked Edwards. (I must have looked like a campaign bigwig because I kept taking notes and talking on the phone.) After giving her my reasons for choosing Edwards, it was announced that those who wanted to support one of the three main groups needed to decide. I looked at her. Obama guy looked at her. She looked at both of us. Then she turned to me and said, “I’m going with Edwards” and a few people around us started to clap.
After the second count, Obama finished with 102, Clinton with 74, and Edwards with 65. I was very happy that we were able to convince that many to join us. Just wish it could have been more.
So that’s it. My first caucus experience was easy and lots of fun, even though I didn’t get the outcome I wanted. I was even asked to be an alternate delegate, which I’ll do happily if I’m needed.
Huckabee’s speech is confusing me. Who was elected tonight - Huck or Chuck?
Geez, what’s gonna happen if Huck gets a *second* “celebrity” to endorse him?
yes…pups are blowin’ the place up. Good for us.
Nice, swopa.
CNN reporting Dodd out
Well, it’s not so much “bitching about the servers,” doncha know… And yes, we logged out, and rebooted, and did all of those grand things just to try to be here with you. Thanks for the suggestion.
Tweety is a stupid fuck.
I applaud your optimism and I’ll believe they will make a difference when they do.
You are my hero!
Salut!
I’m just afraid Obama will choose Lieberman as his running mate…
Kristine so glad to hear your report — thanks!
Listening to Matthews makes me want to punch myself repeatedly in the face until I lose consciousness.
no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations on swinging a vote or two, and also for caucusing and telling us how it went. We’ve been following you for several threads, now!
I hope this is true … when I heard him speak a while back, I was very pleased with his intelligent comments on Africa (imagine that, he noticed Africa) but Iraq and militarism are key to me.
It’s odd since I find him on all other issues pretty impressive and his team quite responsive but they’ve been difficult and rather unresponsive on Iraq.
“I’m just afraid Obama will choose Lieberman as his running mate…”
My worst nightmare.
Noticing several fundie dog-whistles in Huck’s speech…
i started and restarted many times - didnt realize i was the “problem’ thanks for clearing that up raven
Certainly, I respect, indeed value, your views and Jane’s, Swopa. Now comes the “but you’re wrong” part. You write:
Although I tend to agree with Edwards the most on the issues, I’m struck by how he almost seems more caught up in his personal drama of challenging a corrupt system than in persuading voters he’s the best person to change it.
But isn’t challenging the system, fighting it, the way - or at least Edwards’s way of changing it? I get the mesage from him that “You need somebody to change things and for that to happen you need somebody to take on entrenched interests and I’m the guy to do it. Hillary won’t, she’s an insider who’s gonna play the game. Obama won’t ’cause he’s gonna try to find common ground with these people who need to be fought.”
I think he’s on message and it’s a good one. So far. And I’m not just saying that because I’ve wanted him to win since November 2004. More simply, I think Edwards is delivering the Jimmy Stewart message.
Juslin — it was a joke.
Thanks so much for keeping us in the loop on your caucusing.
I am so sorry for thinking that you were campaign spamming when you posted yesterday. I hope you will accept my sincere apology. It was totally uncalled for.
It’s obvious there is a tremendous amount of activity tonite just like when the Libby trial was at it’s peak.
Results:
Obama : 37.53%
Edwards : 29.88%
Clinton : 29.38%
Richardson : 2.11%
Biden : 0.95%
Uncommitted : 0.13%
Dodd : 0.02%
Precincts Reporting: 1732/1781
kristine,
Thanks for your reports. I’m kinda bummed that Dodd didn’t get any play but still appreciated the updates.
I’m watching Huck. I don’t get the attraction. He gave an awful speech and kept looking down at his notes. Trying to view it objectively and I still think it was awful.
Non of the guys on MSNBC will even say Edwards
He might already have one.
http://politicalticker.blogs.c.....obama-camp
Despite the talking around it today, there are several anecdotal stories out there that Richardson’s people did a wink, wink, nudge, nudge to go for Obama if you feel like it. Go ahead, we won’t be hurt, but we’re not telling you to do that.
Some folks don’t know what :) means.
–I also believe Obama just might choose lieberman. Or put lieberman on the Supreme Court or something. Ugh. Sorry, as much as I will vote for the dem candidate come election, I do not trust Obama. I fear that he will not bring back our constitution or confront republicans about all the wrong doing of the past 8 years.
We are stuck. But I guess I knew this anyway. The changes Bush has put in place will stay in place I fear.
O.K. enough whining. But I am not optimistic. Will he defend himself come the republican right wing machine going after him? Will he maintain he demeaner of working together?
Russert: Massive Democratic turnout in a red state for change.
My thing with Edwards is, it’s almost like Bush/Giuliani campaigning on “I understand the stakes” with regard to terrorism — knowing how evil the opponent is isn’t the same thing as having a plan to defeat that opponent.
The youth vote had been written off in the msm — they’re all still on break they said.
Who’s gonna be the first to come out with a calculation: “Candidate _____ spent $Y,YYY,YYY. dollars and got Z votes. That comes out to $X per vote.”
Anybody done it yet?
it’s not over yet, LooHoo - don’t throw in the towel!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/062589.php
Seems Ron Paul has pretty much smoked Rudy in Iowa. With about 2/3 reporting, Paul’s got about 10% and Rudy’s bringing up the rear with a healthy 4%.
Will Fox let him debate?
Mwahaha!!!
ha!ha!
YAY youth vote!
I now know of two other progressive young blogs besides the one I am on. Both the other ones are doing a lot better. One is FUture Majority and the other is Think Youth.
I don’t get that at all. The guy just beat Clinton for Crissakes and she spent a zillion times more than he did.
Edwards: learned from Al Gore, and got the fire in the belly. I believe people are ready — no, desperately want — to hear someone speaking what he is speaking.
I’ll bet you Edwards will, since Obama outspent everyone by quite a bit.
i’m just glad i finally got on - tres frustrating for me - luddite that i am…………….. and according to misnbc - MASSIVE DEM TURNOUT!!!!
FEBI
For Edwards Before Iowa
From a friend in Ames:
Don’t bet on it the whole community was logged on and that always will cause issues, but still we can hope that they get the issues ironed out before we get further into this election cycle.
I would still like ot see the server error logs, makes for great light night reading:):)
But I am sure the IT boys were doing the best they could under the condition they were working under with the large amount of the traffic!
If it is controversial you can count on him to not be on the floor to vote—or if he does to vote “present.”
Not my kind of guy.
Waugh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo……
Site meter shows 4235 page views in the last hour . . .
I still don’t know what Obama stands for, but the turnout was amazing! I have to think his community organizer experience and his huge bank account made the numbers what they were.
if you were watching huckabee’s speech on msnbc you were treated to a tight shot on huckabee with mr. and mrs. chuck norris flanking him either side. when huck started giving props to mrs. huck i waited for the wide shot to show all the revelers on stage. didn’t happen. camera stayed tight, mrs. huck relegated to a swath of fabric on huck’s left.
when he introduced his kids again nothing on camera.
fox showed 1/2 mrs. huck.
cspan gave us the whole mrs. huck.
so far i have caught a glimpse of the daughter, nothing of the sons.
clinton is shown with bill and chelsea at her side. romney with his brood.
things that make me go “hmmmm”.
It’s all a matter of tone and interpertaion.
somewhere I saw $200/vote but I’m too tired to go look for the link.
On spending, from Kos (quoting Jerome at MyDD) a few days ago:
Paid Staff:
Kerry ‘04: 120
Edwards ‘08: 175
Obama: 300
Clinton: 400
TV Advertising (in millions)
Kerry ‘04: $2.73
Edwards ‘08: $2.7
Obama: $8.3
Clinton: $6.5
Obama will pick McCain as his running mate
Can’t figure out why Richardson got more votes than Dodd. He stumbled and stammered and was very unimpressive. I like him and think he is smart but not more than Dodd.
Wonder how that compares to other times?
yup. I worry about him a LOT - lack of courage there…
OK. Gotcha. Well, we both support him so we don’t need convincing. But as for “them”….. do ya really think they need “the plan?” Maybe. I dunno. Just askin’. All that will come out. But he doesn’t really have the luxury of time, does he? But I think as he goes into the South, you’re not going to hear “the plan” either. Gonna be alot of “I’m one of you” stuff, I think.
Pleased with tonight? I am.
Non of the guys on MSNBC will even say Edwards
Keep in mind that GE/NBC has decided that they want to see McCain vs. Clinton - or McCain vs. Obama.
They don’t want any part of having to run against Edwards.
Time for to make some dinner see you later for the late late late night get together
Wow. Hope this is part of a national trend.
Since some of us are speculating prematurely on VP choices, I’ll say Biden.
nahant, it might be IT GIRLS! This is a foul mouth fem blog!
I expected Paul to do a little better. Maybe I’m just influenced by all his damn signs I see around here.
wow, kristine. that’s wonderful. thanks for all your hard work.
congratulations on your first caucus experience!
Good choice
Esp for Edwards
i for 1 didnt think obama would come in 1st…thought he’d finish 3rd at best - boy is my face red
Oprah!!!!!!!
Double-edged sword.
Yes, there was a massive Democratic turnout, but Iowa is not a red state.
I was. Since the day Kerry conceded.
Not after Liarman endorsed McCain, surely.
The news from Iowa should be who got eliminated. On the dem side, everyone but the top three. In the gooper race- most expected Thompson to be invited out the door- but that didn’t happen. Rudy got the crap kicked out of him- but he’s still standing- Romney underperformed but he’s still in the running- no serious candidates dumped.
Other news- the size of the huckster’s victory- and the generational issue—boomers may not carry this election- it may get decided by whippersnappers- who never HEARD of the Viet Nam war.
obama better have some strong security from this point on…………
No worries at all, PhysioProf. You made me nervous for a minute that I had committed some breach of etiquette that I wasn’t familiar with since I haven’t really posted before. I’m glad it wasn’t that. :)
This was fun and I was happy to give a report. Sad about Dodd, though. I couldn’t believe when there was NO ONE there for him. The little old lady sitting next to me even said, “Who is this Dobb person they’re talking about?”
Sigh.
NFW
Yeah because Edwards trounces every Rethug in a head to head. Every one.
Ya know, if, as my Senator, Obama had showed up for one vote I or took a tough stance on any issue when it really mattered, I would be a hell of a lot more pleased with tonight’s results.
For that matter, if his Chicago Chief of Staff had the smallest regard for constituents, I might be happier.
But I am not.
Obama doin his “uniter not a divider” speech.
I can agree with you on that. I like him. I think he’d be good. If Clinton gets the nomination, though, think she might look outside of the northeast?
Can’t wait for you to be able to vote. Look at everything you are doing even without the vote!!
Obama will fall mightily in Moo Hampsher.
Edwards took more than twice the precincts Shilary did, despite the near even percentages.
Edwards will destroy Huckabee and anyone else the Pub’s put up.
Here’s to Edwards and his progressive stances leading us all back to a middle class and keeping the 1% from runnin us feudal to the ground as they fully well have shown they intend to do.
By, by, Shilary Pie . . . And Obama will fade quickly in both the northern states and the southern states.
Only Edwards can pull them in. And I sweah, I bow to Bhudda he selects Kuch as his #2.
What action THAT will be (if they survive the campaign without being sniped). And I guarentee, they WILL be targets, like no others since JFK, and MLK, and BobbK who were all shitdisturbers I admire to this day.
And believe you me (preaches to choir) this country NEEDS some phrellin shitdisturbers to save us from ourselves. *G*
GO EDWARDS!!!
Don’t know if Edwards can take his “second place” showing on to victory. Doubt it.
…anyone heard from Suzanne? she maybe got blown off the toobz by the big wind over in our area.
Time for Edwards to focus a lot more on why HE, in particular, is the candidate necessary to get the job done.
Since some of us are speculating prematurely on VP choices, I’ll say Biden.
You mean “Teefs ‘n’ Tufts”?? Whatever for?!
I am just glad Guliani did so bad. He got beat by the lunatic candidate! What a fall from presumptive nominee. I am glad for it. I think he is scary on foreign policy.
As for Ron Paul I think some of the things he says are great, others not so great. I think it is great that he is doing so well because he is the only Rethug against the war. To me it is infathomable that he is the only one. What a bunch of sheep the Rethugs are.
Yes, I almost added “unless Clinton gets the nomination.”
I am going to work for the dem campaign this summer. Either for governor or president.
some say biden brings foreign policy strengths the 3 frontrunners lack