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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180189</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Power Point Bullets on Why Iowa is the Craziest Raucus Caucus or Democrats in Demoines Are Completely Crazy&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) In the 1781 Iowa Caucuses if a participation record is set–say as high as 150,000 people participate, this will be less than 15% of all Iowans–parhaps by many.  But voting in many states in Congressional elections often hovers less than the 10% mark.  So if soldiers are dying for a vote as an example of freedom, they’re dying for 10-15% of the people who actually do vote–and that’s even in Presidential elections when the untracable, hackable Diebold machines are open for 12 hours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) The people that vote Democrat have to be willing starting at 7PM to spend 2-5 hours in a caucus which is a meeting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) &lt;em&gt;At some of the rural caucuses, no one might show up. No one. &lt;/em&gt; But if one voter shows up, their vote will count as much as 100 times more than the votes in a suburban or urban Iowa caucus.  They ain’t equal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) If you are a caucuser in suburban Demoines Iowa, where the media hovers and says things like “Damn it’s cold in Iowa in January” digging deeply and mataphysically into their political science genius, then your vote will count 1/100 as much or worse than a single vote in Iowa Falls, or Storm Lake, Iowa a meat packing town or Brooklyn, Iowa 60 miles South of Demoines. Yes Virginia, there is a Brooklyn in Iowa too. Bridge, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) Republicans aka Rethugs write their name on a piece of paper and go home(provided they can write). But not the Dems, no no no. They meet and argue with their neighbors, and then declare their choice while their neighbors pressure them to choose otherwise.   Then by a byzantine set of rules, the smaller groups get dissolved and their members are told to choose a large group.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5) If a larger group does not emerge at a particular caucus, which could happen at many, then, the winner is decided by a coin toss.  That’s right a coin toss theoretically with a 50% chance to win if they don’t use a two headed coin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6) Much of the buzz in the MSM and among bloggers has been who the losers will give their caucuser votes to.  But think about it:  You’re a Kucinich faithful follower, and he’s not making the 15% cut, so he and his people get the word to you–vote for Barak (mainly because Edwards was caught on tape saying Kucinich was never a playuh even though he’s more closely alligned with Edwards’ points.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;How does Kucinich, or Biden (Dodd has said today, and good for him–that he wouldn’t think of insulting anyone by telling them who to vote for,  and that he didn’t see how people who thought as much about their participation could be ordered to vote en mass for someone anyway–good point Dodd).&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Taken from:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/opinion/03collins.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Slice of the Sliver Speaks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:aMQ9txHm4pUJ:www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf+Iowa+democratic+caucuses+15%25+rule&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iowa Caucus Rules&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Power Point Bullets on Why Iowa is the Craziest Raucus Caucus or Democrats in Demoines Are Completely Crazy</strong></p>
<p>1) In the 1781 Iowa Caucuses if a participation record is set–say as high as 150,000 people participate, this will be less than 15% of all Iowans–parhaps by many.  But voting in many states in Congressional elections often hovers less than the 10% mark.  So if soldiers are dying for a vote as an example of freedom, they’re dying for 10-15% of the people who actually do vote–and that’s even in Presidential elections when the untracable, hackable Diebold machines are open for 12 hours.</p>
<p>2) The people that vote Democrat have to be willing starting at 7PM to spend 2-5 hours in a caucus which is a meeting.</p>
<p>3) <em>At some of the rural caucuses, no one might show up. No one. </em> But if one voter shows up, their vote will count as much as 100 times more than the votes in a suburban or urban Iowa caucus.  They ain’t equal.</p>
<p>4) If you are a caucuser in suburban Demoines Iowa, where the media hovers and says things like “Damn it’s cold in Iowa in January” digging deeply and mataphysically into their political science genius, then your vote will count 1/100 as much or worse than a single vote in Iowa Falls, or Storm Lake, Iowa a meat packing town or Brooklyn, Iowa 60 miles South of Demoines. Yes Virginia, there is a Brooklyn in Iowa too. Bridge, not so much.</p>
<p>4) Republicans aka Rethugs write their name on a piece of paper and go home(provided they can write). But not the Dems, no no no. They meet and argue with their neighbors, and then declare their choice while their neighbors pressure them to choose otherwise.   Then by a byzantine set of rules, the smaller groups get dissolved and their members are told to choose a large group.</p>
<p>5) If a larger group does not emerge at a particular caucus, which could happen at many, then, the winner is decided by a coin toss.  That’s right a coin toss theoretically with a 50% chance to win if they don’t use a two headed coin.</p>
<p>6) Much of the buzz in the MSM and among bloggers has been who the losers will give their caucuser votes to.  But think about it:  You’re a Kucinich faithful follower, and he’s not making the 15% cut, so he and his people get the word to you–vote for Barak (mainly because Edwards was caught on tape saying Kucinich was never a playuh even though he’s more closely alligned with Edwards’ points.<br />
<strong>How does Kucinich, or Biden (Dodd has said today, and good for him–that he wouldn’t think of insulting anyone by telling them who to vote for,  and that he didn’t see how people who thought as much about their participation could be ordered to vote en mass for someone anyway–good point Dodd).</strong></p>
<p>Taken from:</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/opinion/03collins.html" rel="nofollow">The Slice of the Sliver Speaks</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:aMQ9txHm4pUJ:www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf+Iowa+democratic+caucuses+15%25+rule&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">Iowa Caucus Rules</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180130</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As of 30 seconds ago, the top three were inside a 2.0% range.  THAT is a close race.  Obama may get bragging rights for being on top, but has Edwards ever (insert word here — ‘vaulted’?) into full-fledged contention, IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 30 seconds ago, the top three were inside a 2.0% range.  THAT is a close race.  Obama may get bragging rights for being on top, but has Edwards ever (insert word here — ‘vaulted’?) into full-fledged contention, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180071</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we continue upstairs everyone&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we continue upstairs everyone</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180036</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Edwards seems to have a slight advantage according to the link in the first comment. Can anyone tell my why Olbermann is now reporting Obama in the lead?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwards seems to have a slight advantage according to the link in the first comment. Can anyone tell my why Olbermann is now reporting Obama in the lead?</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180030</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It must be a bit of a heartbreaker for people like Dodd etc. to have their numbers come in so very low.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be a bit of a heartbreaker for people like Dodd etc. to have their numbers come in so very low.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180026</link>
		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;THANK YOU LS - woo hoo!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU LS &#8211; woo hoo!</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180022</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To the left of the guy being interviewed in the glasses, white hair, white T.  Just out of the picture to the left if the camera pans…behind the guy with the pony tail…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the left of the guy being interviewed in the glasses, white hair, white T.  Just out of the picture to the left if the camera pans…behind the guy with the pony tail…</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180019</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is there a news blackout within the caucus rooms?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a news blackout within the caucus rooms?</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180018</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator John Edwards : 34.05%&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Hillary Clinton : 32.09%&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Barack Obama : 30.86%&lt;br /&gt;
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.81%&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Joe Biden : 0.98%&lt;br /&gt;
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.12%&lt;br /&gt;
Uncommitted : 0.09%&lt;br /&gt;
Precincts Reporting: 237 of 1781&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator John Edwards : 34.05%<br />
Senator Hillary Clinton : 32.09%<br />
Senator Barack Obama : 30.86%<br />
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.81%<br />
Senator Joe Biden : 0.98%<br />
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.12%<br />
Uncommitted : 0.09%<br />
Precincts Reporting: 237 of 1781</p>
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		<title>By: TexBetsy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/03/dont-get-spun-iowa-edition/#comment-1180017</link>
		<dc:creator>TexBetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No idea.  Those were the standings Keith had up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea.  Those were the standings Keith had up.</p>
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