So vintage Rollins.

Zed

Speaking of suppressing the Democratic vote in New Jersey, his caught my eye in a vending machine this morning: Legal Voters Thrown Off Rolls. Ah, how all old things are made new again… I certainly hope some legal beagles are on top of this.

Sounds like Huck’s campaign is a little short of $$ and can’t pony up to show the add itself.

Good Morning Scarecrow,
gracious! where is my handkerchief? I’m all asniffle over Ed’s plight.

Is it true that reporters laughed out loud during the Huck’s press conference?

Huck hearts Chuck

This is appropos of nothing, but I thought was funny. Ed was on Washington Journal a couple mornings ago. Toward the end, someone called and was being taken seriously, Ed nodding. Then the guy asked about the bukkake intiative. The moderator and Ed both acknowledged they didn’t know about this initiative. He went on to answer the guy’s other, finer points. Made me laugh.

does anybody really think the supposed technical glitches during huckie’s press conference were anything but staged in order to provide his campaign with the oppportunity to rewind and reply his accusations against romney’s record over and over, much like we saw the twin towers hit, over and over, driving home the message. Oh we’ll get it fixed any minute. Please stand by.

those rewinds cost him nada. clever ed.

Is it true that reporters laughed out loud during the Huck’s press conference?

Yup. What’s really disgusting is that rollins accomplished his mission…..lots of free ad time. :-(

It pains me to say it, but tis true, they did cackle, but those Beltway reporters are not an empathetic sort.

Just another piece of scum. I’m mean the WaPo.

I say let the goopers destroy each other. None of them are worthy of anything other than being nasty, vile, crooked, mean, evil (where oh where is perris to fill in the list?) people.

Rollins and rove were found under the same rock. They are typical of the slimy manipulators that goopers worship.

Good morning Scarecrow, pups!

Good morning
snowing here in East TN

OT, is anyone listening to Congressman Steve King lie his ass off on Washington Journal? Nancy Pelosi’s Congress wanted to giove S-chip to Illegals. He had a shit eating grin and didn’t challenge the caller who stated that Obama was madrassa educated and his church was not a C of Christ, etc, etc. He said that Obama wants to give “comprehensive” amnesty to illegals. He is a complete ass!

Of course, Huck…being the good Christian he is, will forgive Ed and let him stay on just this one time.

After all, no harm done. The ad was never seen by anyone, right! The accusations about Romney, even if they were true, weren’t gonna be made public, because Huck thought that it was just too unChristian.

Huck is all about taking the higher road, which is why he exposed it all to the media instead of “covering it up”.

Think about how Huck would have handled the Valerie Plame leak scandal for example. The minute he heard about aides possibly trying to leak the identity of a CIA agent he would have gone on national TV and said

“It’s just come to my attention that some aides were discussing leaking to the Press that the wife of former Ambassador Joe Wilson was a CIA officer and that was the reason he was sent to Niger. I have prevented them from revealing her identity, which really has nothing to do with why he was sent…other than the fact that he would never have been approached unless he was married to her…and I have told my staff never to do it again. Meanwhile, to protect this unidentified CIA agent we have put her on permanent leave and shut down her covert operation, Brewster Jennings, so that enemy agents would not find out about it.”

I was listening, although i don’t know why. Did I hear him incorrectly? When talking about Jeri Thompson, did he say – “if you spend time within her”

Wasn’t the big show of “pulling” the ad enough?

Good lord Huck, give it a rest!

Well said!

We see it, we understand it, but what will be interesting is how the commenters of WaPo see it. As mentioned at DKos last nite, they are often very sharply aware and critical of what the WaPo is doing.

Is it naive to believe that the Beltway types will find this naive and transparent to the point of being a gaff–especially since they see the WaPo more as their group listserv rather than a newspaper? Can someone from DC clue us in?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/1/1718/65390

“What I have to do is make sure that my anger with a guy like Romney, whose teeth I want to knock out, doesn’t get in the way of my thought process.”

Gee, the idea that Ed Rollins even had a process he put his thoughts through never crossed my mind.

What a farce. Talk about disengenuous. Normally, Huckaby does a pretty good job speaking off the cuff. This supposed last minute change in plans press conference was much more practiced than his normal talk. Anyway, we all got to see the negative add that Huck decided to banish from the campaign. I guess it will work with the snake handlers.

Ed Rollins can still sling dirt with the best of them.

Karl Rove is the worst of them.

Double Gitmo is a yellow belly if he refuses to fight Rollins. It’s a fight! It’s a fight! Pick up the chant.

Caw, caw, Scarecrow, great post as usual. Haven’t had a chance to read the comments yet (I’ll go back and do that now) but I wanted to mention that Morning Joe just gave Dodd quite a little boost. They interviewed both Chris and his wife in person on Morning Joe. Talked about how they had moved to Iowa for the sake of the campaign. Very nice job, surprisingly enough.

Double Gitmo is a yellow belly if he refuses to fight Rollins. It’s a fight! It’s a fight! Pick up the chant.

This is a triple play, so far. We have Huck announcing/showing the ad to reporters to explain why he doesn’t do those things.

We have Huck agonizing with reporters later about whether he did the right thing not to slam Romney who really deserved it.

We have Ed Rollins agonizing that he’d really like to knock Romney’s teeth out because he deserved it, but he just can’t.

I feel duty bound to report this.

In the interests of honesty and thoroughness you might want to point out that you’re a better Christian than Romney, if he’s a Christian at all…

LOL. Let’s see. I guess Chuck Norris will hold the towel while Ed dukes it out with Mitt and Huck passes the hat.

I guess we could refer to this as: “The Devil Almost Made Me Do It Press Conference.”

The good news (or, whatever) is that this doesn’t matter to anyone except the WaPo and Joe Klein. If the ad doesn’t run, Iowans won’t see them. There was nothing new in the ad, and seeing it on YouTube as shot by a reporter isn’t really going to have any impact. I think this just about Rollins reasserting his position as an important media player.

How he talked the Huckster into this is an interesting question, but it’s not relevant to the campaign.

Poor Ed!

‘morning all… coffee is almost ready… hold out your cups.

poor ed so busy sending around dubs of the tape

hucksterbee, used religion, salesman and ed rollins are a perfect
match

disgusting cheap shots with no substance using hate to achieve their goals

Thanks OldCoastie! Holds out cup….spoon straight up I hope?

Cool photo of north pole to go with your morning coffee.

Travel day today, hope you pups will carry on saving Constitutional democracy til I get back. Hope I-75 is plowed by Cincinnati.

I think taking hard shots at Romney while claiming not to do it is the heart of the Huckabee campaign.

the substance of the ad is the $50 dollar co pays availabe for abortions under the Romney Mass health plan

they should be mad at Romney for only allowing $50.
unfortunately not the reason for dismay

OT, just heard that the Clinton campaign has rented every van in the state of Iowa to prevent other candidates from using them to get people to the caucauses. A nifty Republican trick, oh she’s a Democrat?

of course spoon straight up, eg! and tasty too!

pretty pic!

And that rumor comes to us compliments of which campaign?

Bluetoe2 – you gotta admit, Hillary wants to win!

I dunno – makes me chuckle for some reason… if she is the nominee, the R’s are going to have their hands full…

I love the smell of desparation in the morning!

that’s a stupid rumor
are you complaining because the other campaigns were too stupid to think of it

It seems like everyone in Iowa needs to be sequestered a couple of weeks prior to the caucus.

that’s a stupid rumor
are you complaining because the other campaigns were too stupid to think of it

She’s just trying to demonstrate graphically the difference between a naive novice and an experienced pol.

It’s pretty clear getting your people to the caucus is a part of it

the good news is most of the precinct locations are within walking distances

I think the rumor is a lie

LOL! Trickle down desperation.

the ad did run. They put it on TV in the morning. It didn’t get killed until the afternoon.

Then the news covered it.

if she is the nominee, the R’s are going to have their hands full…

Their hands will be sore from clapping and high-fiving each other because they can dust off their experienced Clinton-Hate-Machine. Tragically, that’ll make them very competitive in 2008, when they actually need to be crushed.

I feel duty bound to report this.

Yeah, but i hear you laffing your ass off.

no matter who the Democratic candidate is the gooper smear machine will be in full effect..

hard to believe this is a “negative add”

mitt never had anyone executed while in office…oh man, this is negative?

mitt is for national health care…this is negative?…why, becuase that health care funds abortion.

I think the only negative thing I saw was that he left with a budget deficit…it doesn’t say if that defiicit was higher or lower then when he got there

Listening to the WABC livestreaming repeat of Matt Taibbi appearance on Imus describing Republican candidates: creepy, scary, homoerotic, Addams family, deformed weird losers. Voters can’t stomach supporting any of these guys more than five minutes at the time, says Matt, that’s why the polls are all over the place.

the Clinton Hate Machine, I think, is getting a little rusty and worn around the edges… I’m not sure it works as well as it once did…

just my take… I also feel that the R’s and their threats shouldn’t be allowed to choose our nominee…

Imus supports one of this creepy goopers…the one currently crawling out of the crypt…McBush

It just all seems a little fishy to me.

not negative to a normal person
but any public money for abortion for a whackjob fundie is bad

even though fifty bucks won’t get you a kleenex anywhere

I for one am thoroughly sick of the Bush Dynasty and see no reason to perpetuate a Democratic dynasty.

Yeah. They went by Marquis of Queensbury rules with John Kerry. They’ll probably use the Huck example under discussion and resist negative campaigning against anyone but HRC.

no kennedy
no dodd

a lot of people go into the political family business

Of course things that rational people see as good, the Republican base hates. Therefore, saying “Candidate X loves puppies, kittens and long walks on the beach” would be a perfect attack ad to use against a GOPer.

Yeah, I do recall how the Clinton hate machine was just so excited to have Rudy running against her in Y2K for the New York Senate seat.

All he had to do was announce his candidacy and the race was all over but the counting as there was no way she could get elected by voters upstate.

Oh wait – “Never Mind”

good point

aaaggg. well, laugh or pound head on desk.

I for one am thoroughly sick of the Bush Dynasty and see no reason to perpetuate a Democratic dynasty.

one HUGE thing – Supreme Court nominees… Hillary will do fine with appointments…

I’m glad Huck is doing well. It’s nice to have a fundamentalist turd frolicking in the GOP’s chiffon congeal punchbowl, and leading in Iowa while he’s doing it. :o)

He’s driving Limbaugh, Coulter, Novak, and Will, etc., crazy. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of “real” conservatives. :o)

There is absolutely NO chance that he can become the next preznint of the U.S., and all of the corporate-warpimps in the GOP know it. Right now, every vote he gets; every dollar he gets; every article written about him, even the negative ones, is a jab with a cattleprod to the people who are most responsible for what’s happened to us.

Run, Huck, Run. :o)

And other Dems won’t?

Morning all. Good one Caw Caw.

OMG, that picture! Gawwwleeeee! Shucks, It’s Jim Nabors for sure.

And the bigger Darwin fish goes, “Nom nom nom nom nom…yum!”

And other Dems won’t?

oh, I’m not saying that at all (though Obama gives me the willies), but if Clinton IS the nominee, there is a very good reason to work for her…

David Shuster said on my teevee that is hucksterbee is the nominee he will win

of course Shuster is a hucky fan but still

Good Morning Old Coastie,
Did you ever think You’d be the voice of reason? :)

Oh, I’ll support whoever the Dem nominee is. I just hope it’s not Hillary (or Obama, for that matter). But as I’ve said before, the worst of our worst is better than the best of their best.

I watched, and they laughed out loud, not just a hearty chuckle, real laughter. Except, of course, for Sridhar Pappu, the Post “reporter”, who cried tears of joy at this sign of the chosen one.

‘morning, Demi!

when I’m not stalking signature gathereres, I tend to be very reasonable…

;-)

The Supreme Court is the reason to support any of the democrats running for the nomination. This was true last time around, and it’s true this time around.

Yeah, we have strong preferences now, and we’ll fight it out. But once the nominee is decided (democratically), we will all need to pull together.

It just all seems a little fishy to me.

I C A fish

Marion – I’ve started to allow myself the luxury of thinking about how wonderful it will be when the shrub is out of office and I don’t wake up every day filled with angst and worry… if Clinton does become the next president, while I think we will still have to be giving “input”, I don’t think I will have nearly so many nightmares about the state of our nation.

I still support Edwards. I worry severely about Obama. Clinton, in my book, is not the worst of our choices.

One thing I don’t understand. Most of the participants in this and other liberal blogs strongly condemn those who recite Republican talking points. Yet some of the posts and many of the comments lately do that precise thing in opposing Democratic primary candidates.

AB, C D goldfish?

LMNO goldfish!

OSAR!

(h/t my granddad)

We probably need to send out the Huskies to search for Jane, who may have gotten lost in a snow storm last night. If no one shows up, we’ll have a thread of hymns next.

Yeah. They went by Marquis of Queensbury rules with John Kerry. They’ll probably use the Huck example under discussion and resist negative campaigning against anyone but HRC.

Right. So if we nominate someone else they won’t be able to attack them. ‘Cause that worked so well with Kerry…

Sorry KGC. I had started to comment on your 68 and then changed to a general comment without removing the response to you.

or silly fish stories

With comments there’s nothing to be done, other than point it out (which does happen quite often.) Posts — do you have some examples? I haven’t been following stuff as closely as usual during the holidays, but there haven’t been any that have particularly struck me that way.

I have to revisit the following;

I am just amazed a “man of the cloth” puts in his add that one of the biggest problems with Romney is that nobody was executed while he was governor

this is bizarro world where water is wet, fire is cold, and bush has a brain

Some patriotic music to pass the time.

crosstimbers

no problem

If no one shows up, we’ll have a thread of hymns next.

We don’t want no fu**in hymns.

Ah, but I used to sing in a choir, before I became a scarecrow.

this is bizarro world where water is wet, fire is cold, and bush has a brain

No, not that!

Their hands will be sore from clapping and high-fiving each other because they can dust off their experienced Clinton-Hate-Machine. Tragically, that’ll make them very competitive in 2008, when they actually need to be crushed.

Unfortunately, I agree with that! Nothing unites the Rethugs like a Clinton! That’s why they’ve been telling us that she will be our candidate ever since the 2004 election. But it’s still her policies and her positions on things that makes me not want to vote for her. If I had my ‘druthers, I’d really love to be able to vote for the first female president, or the first black president for that matter. Unfortunately, I find her positions untenable and his not there at all at times. She’s too pragmatic and he’s not pragmatic enough! She’s too experienced (to the point of jaded) and he’s not experienced enough (to the point of naivete.) The only answer I can find lays in a completely different candidate.

Well, hell, I’ll use a nice left wing talking point wrt HRC… ;)

Unlike the Kerrys and the Bidens who initially voted for authorization but later came to realize the folly of their decision, Mrs. Clinton continued to cast numerous votes for the war until last March — four long years of pro-war votes, even after 70% of the American public had turned against the war. She has steadfastly refused to say that she was wrong about any of this, and she will not apologize for her culpability in America’s worst-ever foreign policy disaster. All she can bring herself to say is that she was “misled” by “faulty intelligence.”

Let’s assume that’s true. Do you want a President who is so easily misled? I wasn’t “misled,” and millions of others who took to the streets in February of 2003 weren’t “misled” either. It was simply amazing that we knew the war was wrong when none of us had been briefed by the CIA, none of us were national security experts, and none of us had gone on a weapons inspection tour of Iraq. And yet… we knew we were being lied to!

teehee…water was dry, I messed it up didn’t I

*hangs head*

Some of us don’t do hymns or psalms or bibles or churches or temples or mosques or any of that bloody drivel.

So did i, before i became a Jew.

Slightly O/T; Huckaboner to appear on Leno tonight according to yahoo news.
http://www.yahoo.com/s/773630

You don’t suppose they told him there is a strike going on, do you? Not that it would matter. Just union people anyway. Everybody knows they are the real problem with the country today.

Look,if you scan down yesterday’s posts and don’t see any which are hostile to a Democratic candidate, maybe it’s me. I just think its harmful if you actually want to beat Republicans next fall. I’ve witnessed Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush victories because Democrats/Liberals/Progressives split or stayed home.

Huck said he wasn’t gonna break Ronald Raygun’s 11th commandment – Thou shalt not attack another Republican, but gosh darn it – he had to do it – Romney and all his money were being so mean to Huck. Then Huck exercised (exorcised?) and prayed and he realized that he should not break the commandment after all. So Huck held a press conference and showed the ad to the reporters. And the wapoho said let there be light and put in on the internet tubes for all the see. Huck is a big ol flip flopper.

I held my nose and voted for clinton 1 so I suppose I can do the same for clinton 2 if I have to.

The Des Moines Register has Obama leading Mama by 7 points–beyond the margin of error. And Adam Nagourney of the Gray Lady speculated yesterday that there may well be a three-way tie in Iowa…Obama, Hillary, and Edwards.

Scarecrows have brains in this world.

Bush? Not so much.

here’s what’s really funny if you watch that press conferance;

the reporters laughed out load when he said he was going to show the add he wasn’t going to show

and they laughed again when he said why

and they laughed again when he insisted he was going to show the add he wasn’t going to show.

they knew they were being played, he actually didn’t think they’d catch on and when he realized the jig was up he just went straght ahead and played it over their laughs

and it broke down a number of times as if the almighty himself was telling huck…”you’re failing this test buddy”

Well, pups, traffic has died down, i should go in to the office.

****packs up and goes out into the cold and snow, leaving behind cozy place with cat****

Ad Nags is breaking ranks with The Designated Republican Talking Points. Why does Ad nags hate America? Three Way Tie? Ad nags get back on your bike and ride!

That’s why Cheney is the real Bush legacy.

You didn’t say “hostile to a Democratic candidate,” you said “using right-wing talking points,” which is a big difference. A contested primary is good for our candidate, whoever he or she turns out to be, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing for people to say what they don’t like about one candidate or another. I don’t care for the tone that takes over at DKos must of the time, but I think we’ve done pretty well here.

Spirited advocacy for or against candidates doesn’t mean people will remain split or stay home once the nominee is chosen. The gulf between all the Dems and all the Republicans is so wide (and is barely being discussed at all now) that there will be very few who will stay on the sidelines when the time comes, and most of us have stated that at one time or another. We don’t have to include it in every post and comment to avoid being divisive.

And some of us don’t refer to others’ relious beliefs or the fact that others have religious beliefs as “drivel”

I discovered one of the very worst blogs ever. There is a post by Mark Penn Hillary’s Chief Strategerist. Hillary has the big Mo.

The other recent polls all show Hillary trending up and leading or within 1 point of the lead, and many show her moving up from a substantial deficit to tie and having the momentum in this race.

The thing about Clinton, is that there can’t possibly be any surprises for the wurlitzer of hate to dig up. Everything is already out there.

Does that mean we get to keep Cheney forever?

Yep, in retrospect a dumb remark. I am sorry and feeling stupid.

Is it naive to believe that the Beltway types will find this naive and transparent to the point of being a gaff–especially since they see the WaPo more as their group listserv rather than a newspaper? Can someone from DC clue us in?

I think they know exactly what it was. Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily mean all of them will tell the country what they know, as Scarecrow’s post illustrates. We seem to be lucky that at least some of them did decide to tell us this time (as opposed to countless times where what “everybody knew” about the Bush Administration never made it into the paper.)

I do not put it past them to make up new things. But I do expect them to just fall back into the old Clinton Hate Mantras.

I still support Edwards. I worry severely about Obama. Clinton, in my book, is not the worst of our choices.

Not unwise.

Ouch. The comments cheering section is amusing…

Yeah, I gotta head off to work, too. See you guys on the flip side!

Thanks. I can appreciate and respect your feelings. Alot of people would have just escalated it wioth their next comment. Thanks again. Um, bless you.

Welcome to the crowd.

Actually, I joined to choir because there was this girl . . .

Don’t feel too badly. Drivel is defined as nonsense. One can make a quite a valid case for your position.

Well, I don’t see that great a distinction between Republican talking points and arguments hostile to a Democratic candidate. The ones I’m talking about are not constructive criticism (if such a thing exists). I don’t want to be guilty of the thing I’m arguing against, but no one can doubt that Republicans will highlight, twist, contort HRC’s prior effort at national healthcare. Actually, I’m still sorry it wasn’t put into effect, but those opposed to her nomination also use it. It’s just hard to find a line between issues the enemy will use and those we want to politely suggest might be improved upon. Ok, that’s my Rodney King speech for today.

I agree that there’s a good case to be made. nomolos shouldn’t feel at all ’stupid.’

Look,if you scan down yesterday’s posts and don’t see any which are hostile to a Democratic candidate, maybe it’s me. I just think its harmful if you actually want to beat Republicans next fall.

On the other hand, it is also an important goal to see the best possible Dem nominated. If Democratic voters and commentators see genuine differences between the Dem candidates, are we not obligated to assert them and vote based upon them?

It’s not like anyone here is talking about Clinton’s fake cackle, Obama’s madrassa education, or Edwards’s gay haircut. People are talking about public statements, public actions, and Congressional voting patterns of the candidates. Just because Republicans use those things to attack can’t place them off limits for discussion among Dems.

No it was not a nice thing to say.

fergit it. back to politics. there’s a new thread up apparently trashing Romney. sounds like fun.

With respect for all beliefs, including non-believers, here..
There is great hymn entitled “For The Healing Of the Nations”.
Plz note: plural nationS.
:)

You guys are falling down on the job: this is supposed to be an extremist hysterical intolerant fascist ultra-liberal blog.

I don’t disagree. However, there doesn’t seem to be the same objective scrutiny of all candidates. You have to notice that there is more opposition to HRC than to other candidates,and yet there is a good chance she will be the nominee.

For example, I think a lot of Chris Dodd and was proud of his FISA action. However, on Sunday, with Wolfe Blitzer, the praised extensively the bi-partisan effort of Sam Nunn and Bill Cohen which has been hugely criticized by Digby and numerous other progressives. Yet, no one even mentioned this fact in praising Dodd. Likewise, the Clinton effort regarding homosexuals in the military was criticised yesterday when even the attempt, as a very early adminstration effort, could have been seen as courageous.

I would just ask that everyone try to remember that there is a worse fate than election of any of the Democrats.

OK This is very off-topic. I must meet the strangest folks in the world in hostels. In the last few months I’ve met an anti-HIV theorist (Yep! The medical, educatrional, HIV establishment is one huge conspiracy…and they doubted Einstein, Galileo, and Newton!), a Creationist female contractor “General Petraeus is God and we are winning in Iraq” from Carlisle in Iraq (who flat-out told me that her biochemistry and biology profs from CSU Long Beach didn’t believe in evolution…can I say deluded liar as well), and just today I’ve met a self-help “trainer” who is a follower of something called the “Secret”.

We had several conversations about the general thesis of this weird philosophy and it seems that it’s based upon something called the “law of attraction”. Now I had heard of “opposites attract” (as a Physical Law) but she asserted that this is a universal law of nature. The author has “discovered” this “Secret” in a Da Vinci Code like quest through ancient documents. Apparently if you purge yourself of bad thoughts only good things will happen. This gal was a real nut case…I mentioned Iraq…she claimed not to even know what I was talking about! She mentioned that before her use of the Secret she had mentioned she had been ill…and that the Secret allowed miraculous recoveries from illeness. I agreed a tad with how positive attitudes could help in treatments, and in getting through difficult treatments…but that wasn’t what she was taling about. She was saying that “You don’t need Doctors…they lie to you, anyways.”

That led to a discussion of malaria and how treatments and preventative measures could help reduce this plague (Bill Gates fund, etc.)…she didn’t even want to hear about it. That talk of disease brings “bad thoughts”. The tsunami…she didn’t even follow it. The people likely had attracted it from “bad thoughts”. She didn’t read the newspaper anymore.

I was almost about to suggest that maybe the method didn’t work since obviously something brought me (with all my vile information) and her to the same hostel!

She kept repeating that it was good to think about making money, lots of it! In fact that seemed to be her major goal. She was very positive that her career choice was going to make her a millionaire…in fact, she wanted to be a “trainer of trainers”..of this whacked out philosophy. One of her authorities was Oprah…if it was presented on Oprah it must be true.

Has the US really descended into a bunch of mush-brained anti-intellectuals who not only want to disengage from Science, but from any thinking about current events at all? This woman kept shutting down ANY discussion of world affairs, the operation of science to improve social or physical ills; even the humanitarian work about negative social conditions because it brought up “bad vibes”. She couldn’t understand why wealthy people would give their money to such causes when they’d be better off giving it to those with “the same wavelength”.

Apparently millions of Americans bought the book that her odd world-view is based upon…and there is also a movie about it. It sounds as if we are about to jump right into a new Dark Age!

OT:

Since the coverage on this issue is spot on.

Any idea why DK asked his supporters to go for Obama over Edwards? And if they will listen?

I watched nearly every debate and Obama was constantly outright laughing at and making fun of DK. I recall one incident where DK slashed (effective attack) Edwards when they were all attacking eachother – but from the surface it appeared only to be over all of them calling people out.

Is there a behind the scenes change, is it politics (picking a more likely winner), is it policy?

Thanks.

I am pro Edwards so was hoping DK would go that way again. Was pretty sure Edwards was going to win until this.

Has the US really descended into a bunch of mush-brained anti-intellectuals who not only want to disengage from Science, but from any thinking about current events at all?

Umm, YES.

cinnamonape@127
Wow, the secret woman is quite a piece of work. It will be a rude shock for her to find herself in a bad situation someday. I wonder how she will ’splain that to herself.

Then again, who was it that advised Kerry not to back away from his vote on the Iraq War resolution when Bush said “Even with what we know now, that there wasn’t any WMD’s I still would have invaded Iraq. Does my opponent think that ridding the World of a dangerous supporter of terrorism wasn’t the right decision?”

Kerry met with his advisors, including VP nominee John Edwards about what they should say in response. Many of Kerry’s advisors saw this as an opportunity to firmly reject the war, but Edwards said “IT’s a trap! It’ll make us appear weak and vacillating in a time of war. We need to say we still support our votes in 2002!”

http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..iraq_vote/

So Kerry took Edwards’ advice and didn’t call Bush on his irrational invasion. It wasn’t as if Edwards’ was making a MORAL decision, but a strategic and political one. That’s why I wonder about his current statements. Are they actually ones based upon an ethical foundation, are are they merely a strategic reversal. When I look at his statements regarding Israel I see a hawk. When I hear him still talking about leaving two brigades in Iraq “to protect the embassy and reconstruction projects” and have a sizeable “strike force” in Kuwait “over the horizon” ready to go back in if there is a civil war or to attack terrorists (and to succeed in doing this means advance bases…such deployments are not something that can be done with a 9-5 commute)…I see very little difference between Clinton and Barrack.

Then there’s Edwards’ belligerency towards Syria and Iran. And that bizarre escapade last week where he had aides repeatedly call Musharraf in order to “talk to him” about the Pakistani elections. What’s Edwards doing “negotiating” with a tin-horn dictator in Pakistan in any case. Edward’s then asserts that he is the only candidate that Musharraf called…but it seems that Musharraf barely knew who Edwards was. It’s just weird! What is EX-Senator Edwards doing calling Musharraf anyways? He can’t negotiate…and can’t even enunciate a future foreign policy of the US with any certitude until he’s the nominee.

Spot on.

Debate is what the primary and hopefully democracy is all about (though it appears in America its all about the horse race). For the most part its been kids gloves on the Dem side.

I am sad every time I see someone who supports the front runner saying that there should be no debate, or that the debate is an attack, or worse – lets not damage the goods (well we have not choosen the goods to run in the general yet). Or some of the even worse arguments (had a volunteer tell me we should send a message to the world by electing a woman or African American).

they want to teach magic to our children, all things “appeared”

dinoseur remains were magically left as a test to fool us into believing they once lived

the length of a day is not determined by the rotation around the sun, the rotation around the sun is determined by the lenght of a day

I can show you a virus evolve before your very eyes, yet they would rather teach our children the ways of the supernatural and rather believe it was magic

the length of a day is not determined by the rotation around the sun, the rotation around the sun is determined by the Lent of a day

hey, I just made that one up on the fly, that one’s a keeper

I doubt that any Kucinich supports will feel bound to follow Dennis’ mandate. But it may be that Kucinich has some personal dislike of Edwards. Perhaps he doesn’t trust him as being outside of political manipulation. Odd, given that Obama and Hillary are generally viewed as the ones who are oily and triangulating. Kucinich has always been a straight-shooter, often to his detriment. He’s likely been around Edwards and Hillary more than Obama, so perhaps he’s just more aware of their political histories.

Hope you are being ironic there. [Length of day is determined by the rotation of the earth on its own axis]

man sometimes I am nothing but an idiot

will change saying to suit

Maybe you should try starting your own cult.

disgusting cheap shots [designed by Rollins and put out by Huckabee] with no substance using hate to achieve their goals

And Huckabee approved showing it to the press. How religious of him.

Of course things that rational people see as good, the Republican base hates. Therefore, saying “Candidate X loves puppies, kittens and long walks on the beach” would be a perfect attack ad to use against a GOPer.

Okay, got it. So, the perfect ‘negative’ ad against Romney is… The man is still married to his first wife!
LOL

one HUGE thing – Supreme Court nominees… Hillary will do fine with appointments…

Since you bring it up, let’s look at a real-world example of her experience.

Remind me again, who did Hillary suggest Bill should appoint to AG or SCOTUS?

The thing about Clinton, is that there can’t possibly be any surprises for the wurlitzer of hate to dig up. Everything is already out there.

The thing about Kerry, is that there can’t possibly be any surprises for the wurlitzer of hate to dig up. Everything is already out there.

Sigh.