Comments on: Primary Games: Past and Present (?) http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:49:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: calscientist http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178986 calscientist Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:09:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178986 <p>I am with you on this. Phoenix Woman, I have read many of your posts and enjoyed them, and respected them. This one strikes me as way off. With vague argument and a discussion of what happened in a very different race some time ago you are suggesting that Obama is being propped up by repub hacks because secretly they fear getting whupped by Hillary or Edwards (I presume at least). If you take a narrow southern strategy perspective that might be true - I think Obama would not take the south, and I can just imagine the right wing mystery email machine cranking up full tilt to run him down. However, outside the south the man has genuine crossover appeal (just hunt on DKos for example for all the anecdotes about conservative in-laws and relatives leaning toward Obama). </p> <p>I think the far more likely explanation for the independents going dem is that they want to vote for someone they can get excited about, and you don’t see anyone on the republican side who fits that bill.</p> I am with you on this. Phoenix Woman, I have read many of your posts and enjoyed them, and respected them. This one strikes me as way off. With vague argument and a discussion of what happened in a very different race some time ago you are suggesting that Obama is being propped up by repub hacks because secretly they fear getting whupped by Hillary or Edwards (I presume at least). If you take a narrow southern strategy perspective that might be true – I think Obama would not take the south, and I can just imagine the right wing mystery email machine cranking up full tilt to run him down. However, outside the south the man has genuine crossover appeal (just hunt on DKos for example for all the anecdotes about conservative in-laws and relatives leaning toward Obama).

I think the far more likely explanation for the independents going dem is that they want to vote for someone they can get excited about, and you don’t see anyone on the republican side who fits that bill.

]]> By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178665 mui1 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:19:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178665 <blockquote><p>As Jane and emptywheel pointed out earlier, there are seeming indications that Iowa Republicans may be gearing up to game the Iowa Democratic caucuses to ensure an Obama win.</p></blockquote> <p>Deja vu. If this is true, than how can Obama not be Lieberman-lite?</p>

As Jane and emptywheel pointed out earlier, there are seeming indications that Iowa Republicans may be gearing up to game the Iowa Democratic caucuses to ensure an Obama win.

Deja vu. If this is true, than how can Obama not be Lieberman-lite?

]]> By: lilybelle http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178644 lilybelle Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:31:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178644 <p>Here’s an off-the-cuff third possibility (the other two being that republicans are trying to game the primary and are not): republicans recently deciding to vote for a democrat feel more comfortable with obama. I’m dating someone in that category. I know, I know. He likes about obama precisely those things I really don’t, i.e., his crappy healthcare plan and repetition of republican talking points about social security. and the public professions of faith do it for him too. </p> <p>Just a thought.</p> Here’s an off-the-cuff third possibility (the other two being that republicans are trying to game the primary and are not): republicans recently deciding to vote for a democrat feel more comfortable with obama. I’m dating someone in that category. I know, I know. He likes about obama precisely those things I really don’t, i.e., his crappy healthcare plan and repetition of republican talking points about social security. and the public professions of faith do it for him too.

Just a thought.

]]> By: RedHen http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178576 RedHen Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:04:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178576 <p>A bit of instructive trivia - In 1962 liberal Democrats supported Spiro Agnew for a state-wide position in Maryland in order to defeat a conservative Democrat - you have to be careful what you ask for.</p> A bit of instructive trivia – In 1962 liberal Democrats supported Spiro Agnew for a state-wide position in Maryland in order to defeat a conservative Democrat – you have to be careful what you ask for.

]]> By: tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178365 tanbark Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:19:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178365 <p>Since we’ve been going after Huck for not being aware of the NIE report on Iran’s lack of nuclear capability, it seems only fair to put this up about Hillary. :o) </p> <p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/02/hillary-experienced-not-even-informed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/blog/20.....-informed/</a></p> <p>She didn’t even know that Musharraf has already been elected. The current electoral chaos, much aggravated by Bhutto’s death, is about the parliamentary election.</p> <p> Senator, go sit in the corner with Huck. You guys can bone up on current events together.</p> Since we’ve been going after Huck for not being aware of the NIE report on Iran’s lack of nuclear capability, it seems only fair to put this up about Hillary. :o)

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/20…..-informed/

She didn’t even know that Musharraf has already been elected. The current electoral chaos, much aggravated by Bhutto’s death, is about the parliamentary election.

Senator, go sit in the corner with Huck. You guys can bone up on current events together.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178289 MarkH Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178289 <p>If there’s ever any evidence found that Repubs have ever intentionally screwed with Iowa caucuses, then we should find another state with a closed primary election. Democracy requires it.</p> <p>But, for now, let’s just revel in West Virginia’s win (sorry Okla.) and work hard for our candidates in tomorrow’s Iowa caucus.</p> <p>May the best Dem candidate win!</p> If there’s ever any evidence found that Repubs have ever intentionally screwed with Iowa caucuses, then we should find another state with a closed primary election. Democracy requires it.

But, for now, let’s just revel in West Virginia’s win (sorry Okla.) and work hard for our candidates in tomorrow’s Iowa caucus.

May the best Dem candidate win!

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178255 PetePierce Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:24:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178255 <p>Your analysis of that election in Georgia is dead on, but of all the antics of Cynthia McKinney including Bitch slapping a Congressional security guard, which was probably her most famous act in office, how bad was her last act impeaching Bush. She now is running for President of course leading the Green party. The Republicans won’t be rigging Iowa for Cynthia will they?</p> <p><strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03cOM9r51Nw" rel="nofollow">Cynthia McKinney Announces Run for President</a> </strong></p> Your analysis of that election in Georgia is dead on, but of all the antics of Cynthia McKinney including Bitch slapping a Congressional security guard, which was probably her most famous act in office, how bad was her last act impeaching Bush. She now is running for President of course leading the Green party. The Republicans won’t be rigging Iowa for Cynthia will they?

Cynthia McKinney Announces Run for President

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178232 PetePierce Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:14:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178232 <p>If the Republicans help physically elect the next President, after their bullshit leader has ensured the party going into the WH, it’s fine with me if it’s Obama.</p> If the Republicans help physically elect the next President, after their bullshit leader has ensured the party going into the WH, it’s fine with me if it’s Obama.

]]> By: greenwarrior http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178137 greenwarrior Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:45:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178137 <p>my built-in insulation is very minimal.</p> <p>hi mary!</p> my built-in insulation is very minimal.

hi mary!

]]> By: marymccurnin http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178124 marymccurnin Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:42:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/02/primary-games-past-and-present/#comment-1178124 <p>I was referring more to the Chicago Dem machine rather than Emanuel (since he is a rep and not a senator. D’oh.</p> I was referring more to the Chicago Dem machine rather than Emanuel (since he is a rep and not a senator. D’oh.

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