As Jane and emptywheel pointed out earlier, there are seeming indications that Iowa Republicans may be gearing up to game the Iowa Democratic caucuses to ensure an Obama win.
We've seen the Republicans game big elections before, of course. There was the general election for Lieberman's Senate seat in 2006, where GOPers provided the votes needed for him to beat Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont -- just as in 1988, when Republicans crossed party lines at the behest of GOP bigwigs like William F. Buckley to vote for Lieberman in order to punish Lowell Weicker once and for all for daring to advocate impeaching Nixon. And there was the granddaddy of them all, 2000, when Gore was robbed of the Oval Office by Sandra Day O'Connor apparently just because she wanted to a) retire and b) make sure a Republican appointed her replacement.
But there is another election that can be compared to what could be going on in Iowa right now: The 2002 Democratic primary in Georgia's Fourth Congressional District. (Caution: Number-Crunching Ahead! The squeamish may wish to avert their eyes.)
In 2002, Georgia's Fourth Congressional District -- which covers the eastern suburbs of Atlanta -- was represented by Cynthia McKinney, who had occupied that seat since 1996.
Though popular in her district, McKinney had for many years been somewhat controversial locally for statements made by her and persons around her, such as her father, that were seen by many to be anti-Semitic. And Republicans loved it when she attacked Al Gore in 2000, just as he was starting to pull out ahead of Bush for good -- a move that infuriated many Democrats.
However, the Republicans stopped loving her when she called for an investigation into election fraud done on Bush's behalf in Florida in 2000, and they definitely were peeved by her calling for an investigation into how Bush could have allowed 9/11 to happen (which the Bush-friendly media immediately spun into "she's accusing The President of personally blowing up the TWIN TOWERS!!! OMG!!!ONE!!!"). And of course they really didn't like her activism on Greg Palast's behalf in the Barrick Gold mining deaths case. She was rapidly turning from the person David Dreier (R-CA) said the Republicans should thank for giving George Bush the White House in 2000, to someone whose continued presence in Congress could have made it harder for Bush and the Republicans to pursue their agenda. Something had to be done about her.
The solution: Beat her in the 2002 Democratic primary. Normally, this would have been impossible, but with McKinney's increasing unpopularity among local and national Democrats, suddenly there was a collection of vectors that made the impossible into the likely. A candidate was available: Denise Majette, a judge who historically had voted in Republican primaries but had recently changed her official affiliation to Democratic.
The results were striking.
If you look at the 1998 primary results for the Democratic and Republican candidates for Georgia's Fourth Congressional seat, you see that the Democratic primary, with McKinney running unopposed, drew 42, 648 voters, while the Republican primary candidate, Sunny J. Warren, drew 21,636 votes running unopposed.
But if you look at 2002 -- another midterm election, when turnout in primary elections should be low -- one finds that the Democratic primary election had over 117,000 people voting in it: nearly three times the 1998 total. While McKinney got over six thousand more votes in 2002 (49,058) than she did in 1998, Denise Majette got nearly seventy thousand votes (68, 612), crushing McKinney handily.
Now granted, you can help to partly explain the higher turnout by pointing to the increase in Georgia's pool of registered voters, which went up by 550,000 from the 1998 primary to the 2002 primary (I don't have county breakdowns, and I wish I did). And you can mention that it was a somewhat unusual midterm in that there was much pre-election publicity, which would attract the attention of the voting-age population.
But both of those things then make the following thing even odder: Almost nobody bothered to vote in the 2002 GOP primary for the seat.
Look at the results: only 5,594 people voted, barely one-fourth of the 1998 turnout. That's a drop of 16,042 votes, a drop of 74.2% from the last midterm. Where did those missing voters go?
One rather strong possibility: The missing GOP primary voters all voted for Majette in the Democratic primary -- "crossover voting" -- which Georgia allows you to do without switching your party affiliation.
153, 247 people would vote in the 2002 general election for the Fourth CD, which Majette won easily. By contrast, 164, 768 people voted in the 1998 general election. So very odd that while interest grew in the primaries, and the overall voter base probably grew in DeKalb and Gwinnett counties, it waned for the general, even as the number of registered voters statewide grew by nearly 70,000 between the 2002 primary and the general election. Then again, many of McKinney's supporters probably boycotted the general in disgust in 2002.
Now that we've established that a non-trivial amount of crossover voting very likely happened in the 2002 GA-04 Democratic primary, the other questions to ask are: Just how many Republicans voted for Majette, and would they have sufficed to provide the margin of victory?
If 2002 was an ordinary midterm primary race, the answers would be "probably around 16,000" -- the difference between the 1998 and 2002 GOP primary vote turnouts for GA-04 -- and "no", as McKinney lost to Majette by nearly twenty thousand votes, or about four thousand more than the difference between the '98 and '02 GOP primary turnouts. Then again, 2002 was not an ordinary midterm primary race. It had drawn national attention, and most of it was unfavorable to McKinney; while it may have helped to mobilize her largely-black base, it was much more energizing to white voters, who in this 50%-black district would make up over 80% of Majette's vote in 2002. But honestly, the Republicans weren't the only ones fighting against McKinney; as has already been mentioned, many Democrats weren't too happy with her either.
The overall impression is that while the crossover vote probably wasn't enough in itself to guarantee a win, it certainly helped substantially pad Majette's margin at the very least.
McKinney, unlike Joe Lieberman in 2006, did not protest her defeat by running a third-party campaign to keep her seat, so she left Congress that year; she regained her seat in 2004 when Majette, who as The Black Commentator noted would have had a harder time keeping GA-04 without Republicans to cross over for her, instead tried and failed to take Zell Miller's vacated Senate seat. However, McKinney lost GA-04 yet again in 2006, after she was involved in an altercation with DC Capitol Police; a grand jury wound up dropping the charges against her, but few people remember that. Her last act as a Congresswoman was to introduce articles of impeachment against Bush, Cheney and Rice.
Now, after all that not-so-ancient history, let's come back to 2008.
The thing about gaming of the extent described here is that it needs a large number of bodies in order to work -- and it's hard to keep this sort of thing from being noticed. In fact, in both 1988 and 2006, Bill Buckley didn't even try to hide either his gaming of the Connecticut vote or his fondness for Joe Lieberman. And the blatantness of the corruption trail and "Brooks Brothers Riot" in 2000 need not be regurgitated here.
That's the chief point against the idea that the Republicans currently voting for Obama are only doing so to game the system, and will drop him once he gets the nomination this summer. But the sheer size of his support among Republicans -- who have been reading fulsome praise of Obama from people like David Brooks for over a year now -- can't help but raise a few questions (if not set off a few alarm bells), at least in my mind. Not the least of which is: If the Republicans like Brooks really are sincere in their praise, what does that say about Obama as a progressive?
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hi again PW!
Premature epostulation!
Hello, everyone! How is everybody this chilly January 2nd?
Who’s the current occupant of GA-04? Hey, PW! Another awesome post!
I have made a promise to my lady not to badmouth any Democrats until after Iowa. That includes Obama.
Sorry for the really long post, but in view of the rumors floating around Iowa right now, I wanted to explore what gaming a primary looks like. I don’t think that there are signs of gaming as such in Iowa right now, for the reasons I mention, but one problem is that such gaming is hard to detect ahead of time (much if not most of the evidence for the 2002 gaming of GA-04 is in the election numbers themselves, so the detective work is being doing after the fact).
Thanks for reminding me. I’ve got to go out and set the outside faucets to dripping…..
Uh-oh, a bit of a hiccup there…
we’re OK around here - how are you PW?
them repigs… a slippery bunch…
are we back now?
OK. This isn’t about the caucus. or politics. It’s what you might call o/t. But ya know all this talk about how cold it is in Iowa? Dig this (from WeatherBug)
Clear and very cold. Lows in the upper 20’s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings 14 to 27.
That’s for me!! In fucking Orlando!!!! Four-fucking-teen degrees!!!!! What the hell am I supposed to do?????
You are exhibiting outstanding self-control.
Whiskey.
I thought is was just me and NSA was screwing with my connection up in theback room at ATT in SF. Can’t trust them bastards!
Start the fucking fire in your Buck stove!!
Wear mittens?
Do the stores even sell cold weather appropriate clothing in Orlando?
Sorry gang — we had a little server hiccup. The tech crew got on it quickly and we should have everything solid in no time. Thanks for your patience…
sorry to say, but misery loves company — hope you have warm socks, I’m in my flannel nightie with cat muff on lap.
Frozen OJ?
Ya mean is wasn’t the NSA?
I wonder what sort of games that nasty man Karl Rove is planning for the rest of this year? One thing I am sure of, the disease that is Karl Rove is not dormant.
Lots of layers . . . and be happy you aren’t in Chicago with me right now. Our wind chill is sub-zero . . .
I worry more about him now that he is flying under the radar. Scurrying about like a cockroach in the dark, the nasty creature.
Beware Obama.
He is no progressive. He is no friend of progressives.
Just wait and see!
Recovering alcoholic. Can I make an exception for weather?
Thanks for the heads-up. I thought it was me.
How many Hawaiian shirts can you put on at once? And do any of them have long sleeves?
Do you have a couple dogs or cats?
But you’re used to it. You expect it. You… you… deserve it!!!!!! AAAAGGGHHHH!!!! What am I gonna do?? This old-timey Ebbets Field NY Rangers sweater will help.
I haven’t seen any made with long sleeves… ;-)
alcohol won’t keep you warm, layers and sock and mittens and some creature to snuggle with, say like your wife :)
Iowa’s caucus system is less than above reproach, but it is difficult for an opposition party to game.
In our communities we generally know who the Democrats and Republicans are.
If a large number of old-line staunch Republicans show up at the Democratic caucus sites, Culver will have to call out the National Guard to restore order.
It won’t happen.
No. I mean, they have sweat pants. And sweatshirts. Jimminy Cricket, if it ever snows…… just talkin’ about Katrina in the prior thread… no shit, it’ll be a fucking disaster.
Honey, I’d like it to warm up to 14F actual temp, not windchill!!! Tonight’s low is supposed to be around -5F. Find yourself a partner and snuggle up!!
Yeah, it’s a possiblity for the Reps to game the system as it is allowed to change registration when walking into the Caucus tomorrow and then mail in another ‘registration’ the following week back to Rep. Will it happen, don’t know. I’m sure that there will be some Reps that do this, but I’d doubt that there will be enough to tip any results.
I will try to go to the Caucus tomorrow and I will have to change my registration from Independent to Demo to participate. And, yes, I will be sending in a new ‘registration’ next week to go back to independent.
Mazel Tov!
Just sent my 2nd letter to Kucinich’s campaign today. It totally sickens me that he is working with Republicans caucusing for Obama to screw us. Not that I believe he intended to do that, but I totally don’t get why he threw his support to Obama. Others have said it’s because he believes he should be where Edwards is. My disappointment with him is profound.
Just popped up on TPM:
New Rudy Ad Exploits Bhutto’s Murder
Rudy Giuliani’s new ad features footage of the late Benazir Bhutto, and a simple message: If we don’t elect Rudy, then Osama bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the people who killed Bhutto will come for you next.
Rudy is an asshole, I hope it’s his turn next!
OJ futures are gonna soar…
Republicans are evil.
Why do you want to be an independent? You would be blocked form voting in primary races in closed primary states like Florida.
That makes sense. From what I’ve read about the process it seems to be very community and neighborhood oriented, therefore hard for a pack of people to walk in and bugger up the system.
Ouch no OJ! hope California’s crop doesn’t get frozen this year! I have one orange tree in the front yard and it made it through the freeze last winter. (great oranges but have to wait until late Feb or March before they are sweet enough to eat!
I’m an Iowa resident, so, I won’t be blocked here. I’d rather be independent to avoid lots of the bs (phone calls, solicitations for money, junk mail, etc). I’m changing for this caucus solely because I think that this particular election cycle is too important for the country’s future and I want a particular candidate to win.
Hillary is the one who called it “fun” and then started with all the cheap shots. I believe that Obama is the only one who can unite us to bring real change. Here are six reasons and your chance to vote your favorite among Clinton, Edwards or Obama. Please check it out. I would love to hear your comments!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....686/429523
CHANGE ’08. OBAMA ‘08
That’s good to hear. Sort of the upside to some of the scare stories someone named (I think) “Pierce” has been posting here about how the caucus system–in large part because it is not anonymous individual voting–is undemocratic.
My point of view with regard to Independent Registration is this: Don’t people know which Party’s ideals better suit them? And don’t they know that their votes can often make a bigger difference in lower turnout primary races in which they would be ineligible to vote as Independents?
Many states have open primary/caucuses where an independent can declare a party on the day of the election/caucus.
Folks, I’m only going to say this once tonight: no campaign spamming in the comments. And especially no repetitive campaign spam. Discussion, debate, point by point comparisons? Have at it. Outright cut and pasted stuff? No thank you.
Please, comments are for discussions, not for screaming past each other.
I know my political tendencies, and neither Party fulfill them, Go Nader… ;-)
Ah, but sometimes my ideas do not fall completely within one party or the other. I want to keep my options open. By being independent, I can change to either party and then back without the other party calling to harass me about doing so.
I see, Iowa is an Open Primary State. Florida is not. I am surprised to see the number of voters at my precinct and to hear of others elsewhere that are registered Independent. I get very few calls or bothersome mail pieces from the Dem Party here, maybe that’s a bad sign. ;)
Party pooper… *g*
You HAVE to be kidding.
Obama is NOT a progressive.
He is NOT a friend of progressives.
You just wait and see. I will not hesitate to say “I told you so”.
Our comment? We in this house support Edwards or Dodd. And I have read DK.
I am registered Dem, but I get a boatload of mail and calls and the vast majority are GOP candidates.
Here’s my comment: I don’t want my party to “unite” with the psychopathic racist sexist authoritarian sick fucks that are the remaining dregs of the Republican Party. I want my party to adopt a clear unambiguous progressive platform that repudiates all of the pathology of the degenerate Republican Party.
To the extent that there are any Republicans who are sick of the depravity of their party, and not too addled to recognize that it is their party that has single-handedly created the national clusterfuck we are currently embroiled in, they are welcome to join us. Otherwise, they can all go fuck themselves.
What do you think about that?
I would take issue with your first paragraph. The linked-to article points out that Obama’s trying to go after the independent vote (hence all his unity and post-partisanship rhetoric). It offers no evidence that there is a concerted effort by the Republican party to back Obama.
Your other examples describe cases where there wasn’t an interesting contest on the Republican side, hence plenty of opportunities for Republicans to cause mischief on the Democratic side. But it seems to me that the party brass will be much more interested in stopping Huckabee than promoting Obama, who isn’t likely to be a pushover in the fall if he wins.
Actually I think any of the Big Three can win, and would rather think about who would take the country where I want it to go, but that’s just me.
Its because you are in Florida it is usually to late to make a difference. Ditto here in California, although we get Feb 6th along with a slew of other states, just a way to dilute the votes of all of us.
I likey…
Oops. Well, I didn’t exactly scream past DuckSoup, did I?
For my part, I would never vote for any candidate with an R by his name. I would vote for a Green Party or other liberal candidate, however.
I think it is well-stated and I agree with every word. So there !
Bien Diche! I could not have said it better myself. My sentiments exactly.
Prof, I totally, unequivocally align myself with your words. If republicans can start to think again and listen again, we should welcome them. But this bending to their requests in order to appear ‘fair’ just gags me.
Argued this before, will argue it again. And what are words after all, but just words. AFter all Bush once claimed he was the ‘uniter not a divider.’ Words can certainly be empty and total lies.
Beware of words. Actions are what I want to see. The first candidate besides Dodd who states they want to bring our Constitution back and to punish those that have so badly subverted it, will have me standing up and cheering.
Looking at the record of the Repubs. Always for the well to do and fuck the little guy.
The Dems mostly for the little guy and always trying to block the Repubs from destroying our country and individual rights.
OOPS I forgot Nancy and Harry show!
Go Edwards
i think don’t think you missed the target.
… and i gotta say, i sorta agree. spent a day this weekend with my mom’s cousins. i love them, but i hate their politics - which include such things as saying what happened to arar (the canadian who we sent to be tortured for a year in syria) was ok, because even though he was canadian, he wasn’t anglo. and “we” have to protect ourselves.
i won’t bore you-all with my response to that… but i just don’t see how incorporating their views and values results in anything other than abandoning our own. i’m all for not rejecting them and for compassionate confrontation - but not compromise.
Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon just officially endorsed Edwards.
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2.....ment-post/
Sorry but NO SALE HER Pheonix woman. I am actually offended by this post, and its inference. I see the Hillary camp is really worried, they are not trying to float this meme across the internets for naught, I guess the Obama Slams Gore didn’t work. Truely disgusting, I can’t believe that this blog has allowed such nonsense to be floated.
Well folks it looks as though it could get lively around here tonight. My almost 100 year old Auntie wants me to spend the night at her place. This old girl is a solid FDR Demo and still votes. She’s making cornbread for us tonight in her iron skillet (no sugar)(for cornbread ‘n milk). We will watch the news and read the newspapers and she will lecture me on the reasons I should be more politically liberal. Lord I love this woman. Nihty-nite. ;0)
***No Spoiler Request***
please, no spoilers of TDS or Colbert for us poor west coast types who still have to wait 3 hours to see it
thank you
Absolutely! “Join us, on our terms! Yours have already proven to be completely utterly totally absolutely bereft of any merit whatsoever.”
agree with your first two sentences… and wish i could agree with your last - but if you’re referring to our political leaders, i don’t see it. if, on the other hand, you’re referring to the dem base, i’m with you.
She sounds like a pistol, enjoy your visit!
Those who can’t, cheat
Night K & L and give your Auntie a NH shoutout.
-G
How should someone respond to you? Other than you think the post is nonsense you failed to articulate why.
Also very eloquent. You guys are on fire. Dixie Chicks are Not Ready To Make Nice, though, and neither am I. Eight years of this shit, Eight years of republican lite with clinton (though he was a walk in the park by comparison) 4 years o crooked pappy HWB, eight years of raygun. I really don’t like republicans. Don’t want to build bridges, reach across the aisle, mend fences, unify, not on my watch.
I think I’m fucking freeezing. It’s 35 degreeeeeees.
two questions:
1) do you think this is “this hillary camp”? let me assure i am not and have no intention of being a member of “the hillary camp”
2) do you have evidence that this is coming from “the hillary camp”?
thanks.
BFL - I was thinking about the minus 30 windchills I have right now and in which I walked 15 minutes to the grocery store and feeling all smug and everything - and then I realized you guys likely don’t have central heating — so you actually have my condolences.
Every family needs someone like that. In mine it was my dad, I guess.
poor Beerfart!
doncha have a sweater? while the sweater may look dorky with your Hawaiian shirt, I promise - you will be warmer!
;-)
Kiddo I come from a long line of Democrats and FDR was all theirs hero.
Ever since the Repugs have been trying to undo what FDR implemented. I could never Ever vote for a Republican. (even spelling that out hurts)
I would like Edwards but will support which ever Democrat gets the nod!
But I still hope for Edwards.
NH’s Sec. of State is estimating possibly an 80% turnout.
-G
5 degrees in Manchester.
GA-4 in 2002 stunk. I’ve read that the Dem Primary was a tryout of Diebold machine election-throwing. This is the first I’ve read about the GOP crossover. But reading through the number-crunching part, I’m sold!
Cynthia McKinney could be wonderful, and could be a pain in the butt, but the accusationas of her being “anti-Semitic” are flat-out wrong.
Thats why I replied to my self!
$3.30 for home heating oil in NH.
-G
I’m sold on the analysis of Georgia 4th District in 2002, but not on GOP x-over in the 2008 Iowa Caucus.
I’ll ask again, who is the current GA-04 Rep?
BFL - that is indeed cold for O-town! That’s where I got sober, BTW.
that is truly awful scary… and how big is the tank?
BFL: Get under as many blankets as you have. You’ll warm up nicely.
Hank Johnson - lemme see what committee he’s on - I remember seeing him on C-Span - I liked him.
Ouch!! When I left Maine in 78 it was 19 cents a gallon. Boy you just gotta love them Big Oil Rethugs, talk about inflation!!!
oldgold@36, made a very plausible argument why it won’t happen…
And PW didn’t claim that it was definitely going to happen, or that she was aware of any direct evidence that it was going to happen. She made it very clear that she was speculating about possible scenarios without direct evidence. There is nothing wrong with that.
BFL - it’s 34 outside in Austin right now, but i’ve got it cranked up to 74 in the house. i’m not understanding why you’re not turning your thermostat UP. Unless, you just like layering in Hawaiian shirts. *g*
We have heating. First time it came up last year it triggered smoke alarms and 4 fire engines came. No such experiences this year. I hear we were getting cold weather and i ignored it figurin’ it would be “Florida cold.” it pretty much is, really. After tonight, it’ll be high 40’s-low 50’s then back to 60’s 70’s. If we can make it through the night, we’ll be fine. I found some warm socks. can get the layer thing going. I’ve only been down here 2 years, so i still remember what cold weather is like. But the poor natives and people who wave been here awhile. they’re so sad.
Anything that Armando “Big tent democrats says” comes from the Hillary camp. I can’t begin to have the time right now to link to all the FALSE accusations of Obama he has posted.
Of course Selise, I know you are not the Hillary camp.
I just did not expect to see such blatent accustions UNPROVEN about what is going on in Iowa. From what I know from my brother who is working there Obama has big Democratic support, and for Armando to spin that it is only Hillary that does is a fabrication.