The New York Times would like you to think it has a major scoop from the campaign trail today:
John Edwards says that if elected president he would withdraw the American troops who are training the Iraqi army and police as part of a broader plan to remove virtually all American forces within 10 months.
. . . In one of his most detailed discussions to date about how he would handle Iraq as president, Mr. Edwards staked out a position that would lead to a more rapid and complete troop withdrawal than his principal rivals, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, who have indicated they are open to keeping American trainers and counterterrorism units in Iraq.
Well, it’s phrased a bit more explicitly, but I’m not sure how different it is (especially in practice) from the positions of Obama and Clinton, both of whom have said they would get the U.S. out of the business of training de facto Shiite sectarian militias (the recent double game of training Sunni militias too has yet to be remarked on specifically by the candidates, but I assume they’re opposed to that as well).
It also doesn’t appear to be a departure from the basic plan Edwards has been calling for on the campaign trail for months — a comparison the story’s author, Michael Gordon, is careful to avoid even as he vaguely implies hypocrisy by citing the candidate’s different stances in 2002 and 2005.
There’s another notable absence in the article, as Gordon (who is infamous for his administration-friendly stenography reporting about Iraq) makes clear what he thinks the real news is about Edwards’ remarks:
Mr. Edwards’s plan, like that of many of his Democratic opponents, is at odds with the strategy developed by American military commanders, who have said the situation is still too fragile to set a timetable for such extensive troop withdrawals and a curtailment of the training effort in Iraq.
. . . Mr. Edwards, who has never visited Iraq, said he asked the Pentagon last year to help arrange a visit but was turned down. (Mr. Obama visited Iraq once two years ago, while Mrs. Clinton has made three trips.) Geoff Morrell, the senior Defense Department spokesman, said the Pentagon had turned down all requests to visit Iraq from politicians who are not currently serving in Congress or as governors, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, a candidate for the Republican nomination.
. . . In the interview, Mr. Edwards spoke comfortably about the subject and without notes or help from policy advisers. Some elements of his plan, however, run counter to assessments by intelligence agencies, military officers and a Congressionally mandated study.
American military commanders have publicly cautioned that a rapid withdrawal of troops risks a new escalation of sectarian violence, which has been substantially reduced in recent months.
Curse that impudent Edwards! How dare this know-nothing (um, who spoke extemporaneously and in detail on the subject without notes) who hasn’t even been to Iraq (because the administration wouldn’t let him go) question the judgment of our military commanders?!
But wait — did those commanders come up with their opinions entirely on their own? Do they decide this country’s Iraq policy unilaterally, without any outside influence? Don’t we have, like, a president who exercises some influence (oh, and sometimes a veto) over the military honchos?
Not in Gordon’s article, we don’t — the words "President Bush" don’t appear in the story anywhere. It’s that nasty demagogue John Edwards who’s injecting politics into our Iraq policy; didn’t you know that?
(P.S. Via Matt Yglesias, here’s the full transcript of the Edwards NYT interview. Similar interviews were done with Obama in November and Clinton back in March.)
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Zed?
Swopa!!!
Jane!!
yes i love this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In this house we like Edwards.
We belive President Edwards would make good appointments to the Federal Bench and the Supreme Court.
Gordon is a paid stenographer aka hitman from the Judy Miller school.
Really do here too.
Hi, Swopa!
Gordon is an odious administration shill. Furthering the neo-con warmongering agenda comes as effortlessly to him as breathing.
One of the many reasons I refuse to visit the NY Times Web site. Until they clean up their act, they ain’t gettin’ my eyeballs.
Ian Welsh and Sean-Paul Kelley of Agonist have both officially endorsed Edwards in the primary.
What do journalism schools teach anymore? Cut-and-paste from White House memos? Sycophancy 101?
Swoaponthefrontpage!
Michael Moore all but endorses Edwards at his website.
As Ms. Edwards mentioned the other night on CNN, ‘She and her husband had much work to do in Oklahoma’. To that end Mr. Edwards has appointed three major Oklahoma Democratic players to oversee his campaign here. Our state Labor Commissioner, our state Senate President Pro-Tem and our House Democratic Leader.
Didn’t Edwards sound just like Obama and Clinton in the debates re continued Iraqi occupation? I don’t know who or what to believe about his stance on needless war anymore.
What kind of Dems are they?
What a hack. The only amusing thing is, despite the obvious attempt at a hit job, telegraphing “Edwards is more antiwar than Obama and Hillary, and contrary to Bush Administration’s politicized military” will more than likely help Edwards (at least with everyone but diehard conservatives and “Serious” Beltway types.)
Trippi and Wolfson on General Electric Hardball.
“Hillary has thirty five years of experience making change.”
Howard ‘K-street’ Wolfson
Perhaps the best way I can respond is to say one can pretty well be sure they understand fairly well all the Democratic candidate’s positions and are versed in electability. And they chose Mr. Edwards. We also have a Democratic Governor and an elected woman (a former judge) Democratic Lt. Guv. We are hoping they will come out for Edwards. We are trying our best to turn Oklahoma deep blue again. ;0)
He declined to “pledge” to have all troops out within his first term, probably because it’s a “gotcha” Washington press question, designed so they can scream “flip-flop” if conditions change and they think it’s wise to change plans. Edwards said in that debate that he would leave only troops to protect the embassy (which isn’t considered an occupying force in any other country) and to protect humanitarian workers if there are any. (Which may or may not be a wise choice, but could be okay if it’s interpreted in a sane manner rather than a Bushian “any excuse” manner.)
No mention of participating in training, so I agree with Swopa that the previous statement seems entirely consistent with what he said in this interview.
The only time I’ve heard Gordon challenged was by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now.
A lot of it depends on interpretation — one way or another, Edwards, Obama, and Clinton have nearly identical positions on Iraq.
Essentially, all of them say they will end combat missions and training. But none of them is willing to entirely foreclose their options, and they all envision keeping troops for protecting the embassy as well as some in the vicinity of Iraq for “counterterrorism.”
Many progressives think that constitutes continuing the occupation, but the candidates disagree. (I lean toward the Edwards/Obama/Clinton view, but I think their intended troop uses will prove impractical, so we’ll probably have to withdraw fully anyway.)
My new years wish has no bounds, that there is a Nuremberg commission to try the war profiteers ,the advisors that led us into this mess and any congress person who voted for this insanity and of course all in the current criminal administration who took actions contrary to the constitution and the treaties we’ve signed. I’m sure the nazi’s sat around smug in their untouchable positions,also. And I’m very opposed to the death penalty but wouldn’t mind using the camps they are constructing for who knows who to lock all this vermin up.
We really need another debate. :~)
All hail Oklahoma! If they can’t do it, no one can!
I have attended two Edwards house parties, one where he was there and the second was with a conference call. Both times when asked about Iraq he said and this is a quote – “We need to get the HELL out of Iraq as soon as possible” and he did use the “H” word.
Unless my memory bank has short circuited I recall Edwards wants our military out of Iraq sooner than later and pledged to bring them home within his first year in the White House.
Get out of Iraq. Now.
Thanks Hugh and Swopa.
Swopa said -
This progressive remembers the last Clinton strategy.. manning bases in Kuwait and S.A., while maintaining air partition and sanctions.. I consider full withdraw to include backing out more than Bill Clinton did which of course means leaving our 21 mega bases in Iraq.. Let’s make it nearly impossible for a future GOPer to get back in there quickly.
Hillary Will Be On Letterman Tonight
A special guest appearance
An Inconvenient Truth About Caucusing: What Bloggers Here and Mainstream Media Won’t/Don’t Tell You About Obstructions to Voting in IOWA during Caucuspaloozamania
Excitement and Frenzy’s in the air right? Bloggers have been rushing to Des Moines to maybe eat pasta at Centro in Des Moines, and rub elbows with Dodd and Biden, and the rest of the candidates who have a chance who often eat there.
MSNBC is all Iowa all the time–well, except for Britney, Jamey, and Jail Breaks–gotta have the sex and prison–America’s two really favorite topics and sometimes hey there’s a nexus of the two in middle Suburban America. After all MSNBC on Jan 1 did 24 hour “To Catch a Predator” and then did 24 hours of Crime and Punishment. Sex and Prison–two concepts Americans think they understand or might constructively combine–a nexus for the ages.
But what the bloggers and the media aren’t telling you is how frigging hard it is to vote in Iowa, because you don’t really vote there, you caucus, so some of us thought you should know. I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen Jane or Christy get into it yet.
1)It’s not exactly constitutional, because certainly some people are for all practical purposes discriminated against, and the Constitution does stipulate that specific categories of people shall not be excluded. But many Iowans, and it’s a significant number, sure as hell are exculuded from caucusing in Iowa.
2) Most people think it’s like when they vote: The voter walks up to the Diebold machine that can be hacked in 5 minutes like when you will vote for President in November ‘08 right? No they diunnnnt. No they don’t. No they aren’t. In fact caucusing is nothing at all like wating in line at the local elementary school, and gowing into your hackable Deibold machine and pulling the lever. No way in hell.
3) What’s the difference between voting in a caucus in Iowa and voting in a primary?
Well, first off there’s no such thing as a one person-one vote rule. As the NYT reports today, the Republican voters can leave after a few minutes. But that’s not you firepups. You aren’t Republican Voters are ya? At least I’ve gathered that much from the comments of late. You are Democrats, and if you’re like me, you’d like to tell Bush how you really feel when Bush and Rove talk about the “Democrat party” not “Democratic party” with a snarky chmip smirk.
Democrats come to a meeting, not a voting booth. Votes actually have different weght according to a precinct’s past participation record. Ties can be broken by coin toses. You don’t have those in a voting booth. And a meeting is held where you may have to stay for hours in order to vote for your choice. The meetings do attract better informed voters who really care, but they also exclude many more than they attract.
4)Many voters are disenfranchised completely.
Military and overseas voters don’t get to vote. There are no absentee ballots. Pretty ironic isn’t it? Someone’s son or daughter sent by a chicken hawk who has lied and lied about this war, who could be blown up any minute in a surge that has produced more and bigger bombs, cannot vote back home in Iowa. Sorry no absentee ballots.
How about students? After all there’s Obama Girl and even “bantam rooster Rudy 912 Kill the Firemen by mismanagement of radio frequencies” has girls–hot looking coed aged girls who sing songs written for them. Many students can’t get away from classes and many have jobs at night. They wait on tables in Centro where Dodd, Biden, Edwards, the HRC, or Obama might eat among tables with bloggers. So they have to serve them dinner and want to get to the caucuses but they can’t.
What if you’re blind or confined to a wheelchair or deaf? You say fortunately that’s a small number of people. Yep.But these caucuses are in homes and many people don’t have facilities for them to access the caucuses.
5) My vote is my secret sacred privilege in a democracy right? Wrong. Not in an Iowa caucus. You have to stay at the meeting for at least a couple hours, listen to business discussed and then state your opinion in front of everybody, and most of us would be pretty okay with that, but it takes time.
6) I can vote any time of day. How ’bout in Iowa? No you can’t and no you diunnnnt. Uh Uh. You have to be signed in or in the registration line by 7PM, and no exceptions. If you’re late you don’t vote.
But I work nights. Sorry you’re out of luck. Tough. You can’t vote in the daytime in an Iowa caucus. You gotta be there at 7PM and stay for hours if you’re a Democratic voter.
7) Wow. This seems like the nomminating process in Iowa “the caucuses” that no one defined for you really exclude people–is this going to change? Couldn’t they use a hackable Diebold machine like we do?
Not bloody likely. To change and modernize may give up Iowa’s “first in nation” status. New Hampshire wants to be the first primary. It has the nations focuses on Iowa for months, even if MSNBC and Tweetie Bird Mathews have Pat Buchannan and his merry band of talking heads living at the station parotting the same shtick over and over and over again.
What you’ll here is “they’re voting in Iowa.” Well er um not really. They ain’t “voting” at all. John Dean addressed this eight years ago, and it got barely noticed by the rest of the country, and his opponents attacked him for attacking Iowa’s sacred caucuses.
Some of this info is captured in this article(the link is correct, but sometimes it doesn’t work here):
Caucuses Empower Only Some Iowans
Hill just will say anything now….Leave Iraq,stay in Iraq,bomb Iran,dont
@#$%^&*()_!!! Hill make up your mind
This Oklahoman will vote for the Democratic nominee for president, no matter who she, or he may be. ;0)
*Rev. Huckabee says the spirit is a movin’ his people.
The Huckabots are moving to the groove.
-G
*Not an actual Hucka-quote.
Edwards can more soundly defeat the Rethug’s candidate than Hillary or Obama. I don’t want to see another squeaker like the last two which enabled stolen elections. I’m hoping for Edwards. Edwards will win without the need for recounts.
With a desire to return to minority party status, the Democrats will nominate Hillary, thus assuring the success of their efforts. While bizarre, it at least should provide much material for political science students of all levels.
yup
please no
Maybe they just realized they needed to have at least one story on Edwards before the election (Iowa caucus).
Hill knows that there is very little correlation between the bullshit that gets said to get someone to spend hours at a meeting that constitutes a caucus in Iowa explained above, not a one person one vote per se and what can be delivered once in the White House.
So as far as she’s concerned, Robocandidate HRC will say whatever her handlers like Howie Wolfson tell her they think she should say.
She also calculates that you the voter are so stupid, and believe me, she thinks if you are in Iowa or Georgia or Arkansas, the chances of that are much higher than say D.C. or NYC or Boston or LA. She’s not the lone ranger, but her calculation is showcased in a more compelling, palpable way by the Hillster. Somehow, robotocism shows up very easily in HRC.
Actually Gordon notes that Edwards’ position is different from that of Hillary and Obama. Edwards will withdraw all US troops from Iraq within 10 months, except for 2 to 3 thousand to provide security for the US embassy and possibly a few aid agencies. Hillary has been really slippery in what she said she would do: border security, anti-terrorism, training. This could easily take up to 50,000 troops and would be a scaled back version of what we are doing there now. Same sorts of missions, smaller number of troops. Obama has been so vague that I have no clear idea what he would do although my impression is that it would be closer to Hillary than Edwards. I am open to clarification on this point.
I could do without the changes of the last 35 years as I imagine 85% of Americans could.
Double yup. And I believe Edwards will do a decidedly better job pointing us back in the right direction.
Will Jesus be driving them to the caucus? If not in an SUV, then he will be what’s driving them to the caucus. Who will Jesus vote for? The Christianocrats aka “the bible is my constitution since our party wrecked the old one” are hugely strong in the Iowa caucuses and may represent 40% of the Republican vote. Romney’s tried to figure out how to buy them as well.
Hillary on Letterman tonight – assume she will do this by link from Iowa – or does she plan to fly back to NYC while the Iowa caucus is in progress?
Hugh–you’ve probably seen this, but I meant to mention to you that there are several lists like the one you worked so hard on up at TPM Muck. They aren’t as comprehensive as yours, but I thought you’d be interested.
TPM´s Great List of Scandalized Administration Officials
Hey, gold went to a record high today! Oil futures went past $100/barrel! Real Mission Accomplished!
These should be topics for the election. Too bad we’ll be forced to hear about who prays better instead.
Great thing about elections in the states…. the media can do whatever they choose anyway. After all its all about “expectations” anyway.
Example:
Say Edwards wins by 3%…well that was not enough. We in the CI-…I mean MEDIA say he needed to win by 10%.
From Pat Robertson today:
“What I’m praying about is China. I’m asking for 250 million in China. We haven’t had that breakthrough yet but I think we’re going to get it. God’s going to give us China. And China will be the largest Christian nation on the face of the earth. They’re going to come to Jesus.”
I think that their statements were all spun, when they were asked about how long troops would be in Iraq. They were asked whether they could guarantee all troops out by 2013, and they wouldn’t guarantee anything. I think they made the correct call on that. You can’t know now what lies down the road. None of them have ever said, as far as I know, that they intend to leave substantial numbers of troops in Iraq forever. While I would like to see every troop home tomorrow, that is not realistic. Bush broke Iraq. Bush did it. He made the call to go in based on his contrived lies. Whoever follows Bush is stuck with a delicate situation, which Bush caused.
I don’t think the Dems should be chastised for proceeding with caution in ramping the troop levels down and out safely and without further destabilizing the Middle East, but it has to be done responsibly. Bushco is the problem.
This all happened on Bushco’s orders and on Bush’s Watch!!
H. Clinton on Letterman, Huckabee on Leno. Both candidates won’t mention WGA, and neither will Letterman or Leno. Letterman and Leno’s jobs are to butter up the audiences so that Huckabee and Clinton appear likable. Right before Iowa. Right before New Hampshire.
Good timing.
What if Iowa Settles Nothing for Democrats?
I’ve seen some of the taping, and it looks like Robin Williams on Letterman does mention WGA.
Not sure why anyone feels the need to “visit Iraq” just to see whatever billionth of the country the US military would allow them to see — IF they’re even allowed outside of the Green Zone.
Notwithstanding Mikey O’Hanlon, who starred in Mikey’s Excellent Adventure.
OT
the NewsHour will cover the Haditha case later in the program (perhaps at the bottom of the hour?)
I don’t think Republicans worry much about the price of a gallon of gasoline or heating oil. My party should begin pounding on the GOP about this. Might pursuade many indies to vote Demo.
The key is to get Democrats and Independents to the polls.
I also think, contrary to some media, that Letterman’s Worldwide Pants deal for the writers to come back to his show and Craig Ferguson’s show does really hurt the rest and the WGA cause profoundly. Guests feel technically free to come there since the writers agreed. The other late night shows like Kimmel, O’Brien, are keeping their guest lists secret so if the actors who are members of the guild cross the lines they won’t be hassled as easily.
The other shows are betting that after a couple weeks, all the “stars” will cross the lines after the excitement dies down. I hope WGA fights that.
Interesting that Viacom owns Jon Stewart and Colbert’s shows, but Letterman own’s his two shows on CBS.
This is I believe the third day, of saying nothing negative about Democrats. Lahoma advises me she’s impressed.
And a piece on “The Wire” a great show that few watch.
They aren’t polls at all in Iowa, and I’m not nitpicking, but if you read my list above on caucuses, many of them cannot just “get there” because they are at 7PM sharp and they can’t get off work. You can’t go to a caucus during the daytime in Iowa. They aren’t anything like polls, they are more like a long committee meeting. And one vote does not count the same at each meeting. Depending on the length of years the precinct is in existence, they get to weigh their votes more. They also aren’t polls where you pull a lever. The Democrats must commit to staying at a meeting that lasts from 2-5 hours.
That’s one set of reasons why Iowa being able to influence or make or break candidates is so screwed up. It’s hardly a democracy and it excludes many voters, contrary to that document we used to have before Bush trahsed it called the Constitution.
Here’s the good new. Most American voters, even those attending the primaries, can’t tell you who Gordon is nor would they remember what he said even if by chance they happened upon the NYT and accidentally read the article. The bad news is the American voter is willfully ignorant and couldn’t care less about the primaries. It’s football season.
I just spent an hour with a Nevadan Democrat who spends a great deal of her treasured life trying to get people out to vote. Here are some of the responses: “Let the parties decide who they want to run”. “The Primaries are too complicated so I’m not going”. “I’ll see if we have other plans that day”.
Understand, the voters are not entirely to blame. For the past year Democrats have overloaded volunteers with meeting after meeting after meeting of little substance. I backed off of the training because it was so time consuming and boring. I volunteered to make calls in my neighborhood to get people out to caucus. I will not be reading the dreadful script. I have my own and I make it easy and exciting for voters to state their choice. This is not rocket science.
Here is another, what were you thinking, problem. Several precincts are meeting at the same location. If I and others do our job calling people and getting them out to caucus, the place will be overloaded with bodies. Logistics just weren’t planned.
Here is my assessment. The last thing either party wants is for voters to attend the primaries and have a voice. It will mess things up.
Why do I keep doing this? Honestly. I’m replacing myself. If I can generate half a dozen activists who never thought of being an activist to get involved. I just increased my efforts six times. That sounds good to me.
right here right now this very day, the price is $3.529 a gallon corrected to 60 degrees F.
ow ow ow
Throw the crappola back in the face of the Repubs who brought us 7 years of unbelievable misery — signed, the World.
Thanks, there are a couple new names that I have not really come across before. Most of the others are hiding out in various nooks and crannies of my list.
Did Little Boots visit Iraq before being (s)elected in 2000? No? Weird cuz his daddy had himself a nice war there (minus gettin’ Saddam out of there). You’d think a foreign policy expert like GWB would’ve travelled to brush up on his foreign strategery. The MSM makes the chimp looks positively Darwinian.
Funny. Mr. LS was reading me names off the list, and I kept sayin’, Who’s that?
Hugh… did you get in contact with Jeff at 1480 Progressive Talk?
Yes how true you are. I’ve been saying much of this for ages.
I stopped off at the small neighborhood grocery a little while ago. I’ve always suspected the owner was conservative–one time I bashed Bush on Iraq looking at a NYT headline on the rack on more suicide bombs in schools, and his friend wanted to step outside.
I said “Who do you like in the Iowa caucuses tonight to win each side.”
He said: “Well I’m a Democrat (surprised me and made me feel a little more comfortable about what I might blurt out next) and I really like that guy from New Mexico. What’s his name? He really has had experience in areas I think matter in foreign policy.
I’m not faulting him at all for not naming Bill Richardson. Actually his thought processes might be pretty darn good.
But I think the way he said it does give an index of sorts to the involvement of most Americans in the election at this point as opposed to many of us who are political junkies.
The Independents I met in Nevada were Republicans. I have no idea what they could add in choosing a Democratic nominee unless it is the most RightWing of the lot.
In terms of getting folks to the polls, I’m talking about next November. Not the caucus thing. I probably wasn’t clear on that. ;0)
Yes that may be true in Nevada. How many states does that leave?. ;0)
Yep, sorry, I thought that could have been what you meant.
I think I’m so exhuasted from so much attention to Iowa, and really opposed that Iowa means so much and think it’s unfair so I want people to understand what’s involved there that most of the media/bloggers from Iowa don’t talk about.
I guess a devil’s advocate would say “Look. Iowa frenzie does get people to think about the candidates and the candidates to define their posistions because so much spotlight is on it“–and many Iowans would argue that way.
No, I wasn’t sure that I would be finished with my move or have a phone. The phone came yesterday. I thought it might be rude to contact him at the last minute for something happening today but I will send an email.
If indies are Republicans, then why are they Independents?
Hugh, I recommend reading the NYT interview transcripts that I posted above, and I bet you can find further confirmation if you look around. Neither Clinton nor Obama supports training in the absence of political reconciliation, and there hasn’t been any reconciliation. Their failure to be more explicit is probably more likely due to their cautious political natures, rather than their secret desire to further Dick Cheney’s imperial dreams.
I say this as someone who put an Edwards bumper sticker on my car last week.
How are you two doing on the resolution?
hucksterbee will have to cross a picket line
there is no picket line at letterman
How do you say come to Jesus in Chinese?
-G
I’m hearing what you are telling us. ;0)
Poor Pat. He’s such a …
You get fewer campaign mailings and phone calls by being an independent. I am one. I have never been, nor can imagine ever being, a Republic.
Come on a My House?
Sad vignette driving home….. empty lot with a row of Ron Paul signs approx every three feet and between two of those signs was a black man, sitting on a military duffel and his ‘homeless’ shopping cart next to him.
Wish I had a camera as it would be the epitome of Ron Paul policies to do away with all social services.
I wonder the same thing myself. From interacting with them in the political arena as a volunteer, basically, it makes them feel “independent”. They think they can go either way should they need to, but they were beyond conservative, they were rightwing. In the Bay Area the Independent is a horse of a different hue. But Bay Area reality is a universe of its own. Nevadans remind me a lot of the South.
There’s no picket line for the two shows Dave Letterman has always owned, Katherine. CBS doesn’t much call shots for Letterman–Letterman and his executive producer and his company Worldwide Pants do on his show and Letterman also owns Craig Ferguson–so because of that Dave was free to negotiate his own deal with the writers. I think it hurts the writers elsewhere. So Letterman in NYC and Ferguson in LA have a big edge. They 1) have writers to make them look good. 2) They can get the big stars who are members of the guild because there is no problem with going on those two shows.
What’s going to be interesting is on a show like Leno or O’Brien where NBC-Universal owns them or a show like the Golden Globes.
1) What will they look like without writers to make the jokes?
2) How many stars will cross the lines there and will the writers get out and physically try to block them on all shows that are Letterman/Ferguson.
The Haditha case is up now, PBS NewsHour
“Nevadans remind me a lot of the South”.
I agree, especially in the greater Las Vegas population. Reno, not so much though they appear to have disproportion southerners & retired military for some reason.
we know Edwards gets it. Now what about the rest of the items required for freedom? He and Chris Dodd are distancing themselves from the pack and showing character the rest will not. Nows the time I guess. It is wild how many candidates have self destructed over the last few days? 3 or 4 have made statements indicating serious issues of character, xenophobia and sanity. Two appear to be mob installs from da big cities.
Too bad we have to select someone we wouldn’t otherwise vote for. We need a parliament so that work can be done again here. The party I have to vote for does not represent me well.
I understand what you mean about the Bay area. I’m a former 17 year resident of ‘the City’ and Santa Rosa. I miss the bay area terribly. Not the traffic though. ;0)
I think my distrust of Hillary and Obama was showing through.
My students who will be voting age in November are asking about the elections – when are they, how do you register? They are rabidly anti Bush(well, we’re in Vermont). I’m hearing some leaning toward Obama – he seems to appeal to youthful voters.
I’m biting my tongue, being no fan of Obama’s. It’ll be a proud day when America elects our first black president, but Obama is not my pick, hardly. I’m looking for a candidate with convictions, not one who is testing the political winds to decide his positions. Meantime I’m just glad to hear the kids talking politics.
I support Edwards. I’ve sent money to his campaign (which I absolutely cannot afford to send); and I think I’m going to go to NH for a couple days to help out with the primaries.
I heard this argument in the apparel industry during a strike throughout the industry. Small designer/manufacturing companies were forced to abide by union demands.
One such company which had six sewing machines and six tailors in a lovely studio all working side-by-side with the designer were attacked by the union. She paid her tailors a handsome salary with excellent benefits and great working conditions. Her line was designed for a specific market but she had to abide by the same union rules for the sewers of mass produced products (all day you sew left sleeves in high volume). In her line each tailor created the garment in all its detail (much like the House of Chenel). The tailors loved it. Instead she was expected to reduce her product to the lowest common denominator.
Another designer I knew in New York did something very similar. One day she came in to her work place and every machine was destroyed and garments destroyed. Her employees were devastated. It put her out of business. They were forced to get jobs at a much lower salary and poorer benefits.
My point is the one-size-fit-all union expectation is obsolete and allows for no talents to thrive and rise.
Thank you for your understanding. What most people don’t know is that this part of Nevada called themselves “Mississippi of the West”. That attitude is still there. There is terrible poverty and ignorance here and still they vote for the Repugs. They have nothing. Any benefits they receive are due to the Democrats. Why would you shoot yourself in the foot I have no idea.
Ummm…Started out great and then Mr. LS had a bunch of stress and corrupted me, but we are committed to tomorrow…I know we can do it..*g* We are not giving up. We can do it!! We will do it!!!
Why all the excitement? The corporatist and their traditional media lackeys have this one in the bag. McCain-Clinton. What do the people want? The smell of a powerful gasoline, their favorite sit com and a shoe shine.
America no longer believes in principles and ideals. It’s all image over substance.
You mean I think, my criticism of Letterman’s WW Pants making a deal with the writers. I respect and agree with your individualism/innovation argument, particularly in coture collection/clothing designers.
But what I see happening with this writer’s strike is that Letterman has writers. He has jokes and material, and he brings the timing and the talent. The stars aren’t crossing any lines on his show and Ferguson’s.
But what I think will hurt the writers who I believe have very important issues to win, is that on these other shows, the stars will cross the lines. In order for them to be effective with the AMPTP, studios, producers mogols, and enterprises, they are going to have to keep the shows down and they might not be able to do that if stars cross the lines in droves.
I don’t see an analogy of David Letterman’s two of the biggest shows in that business though and small innovative apparel designers, but maybe I’m totally missing the boat.
Thank you, Swopa. Excellent post.
WTF!?
Edwards’ position is two brigades still in Iraq (that’s likely 4000+ including support staff). That’s a huge number…far more than any other embassy uses by orders of magnitude. Most embassies have about 10 Marines.
Then there’s the placement of an even larger force “over the horizon” to deal with terrorists and a humanitarian crisis that might emerge if there is a Civil War in Iraq. The latter would be a real mess, about 100 times worse than dealing with Rwanda or Kosovo. Those troops wouldn’t remain outside of Iraq very long, I’m afraid. And then the mission suddenly becomes getting between Sunni and Shiite militias.