Chris Cillizza, Fix blogger at The Washington Post Online (WaPo0) provides a little gem from First Laddie-wannabe Bill Clinton:
Bill Clinton spent 20 minutes detailing his wife's record of accomplishments dating to when the two met in law school. "She never picks up a problem that isn't better when she put it down," he said.
Really, Bill? Really?
Was the problem of helping you select an Attorney General better for her input? Was Zoe Baird better for Hillary having picked her up, then put her down? How about Kimba Wood? Generally speaking, was your search for an Attorney General better for Hillary Clinton having picked it up? Because I recall it created a media narrative about stumbles that carried right into your disastrous confrontation with the military, when you got schooled by Colin Powell over letting gays serve in the military.
You appointed First Lady Hillary Clinton to head the President's Task Force on Health Care Reform five days after being sworn in as President, Bill. Would you say that problem was better now for Hillary having picked it up in 1993?
How about Senator Hillary Clinton's proposals that the Federal Trade Commission more strictly regulate video games? Proposals, I might add, that she's pursued with the likes of Opus Dei Senator Sam Brownback, former Democrat Joe Lieberman and DLC Democrat Evan Bayh in recent holiday shopping seasons. How about her proposal to the Centers for Disease Control that it investigate the impact of electronic media use? Would you say that problem is better now for Hillary having picked it up, or does her recent press release on Joe Lieberman's letterhead mean she's not yet put it down?
And speaking of Joe Lieberman -- would you say, Bill, that the problem of electing a real Democrat to the United States Senate from Connecticut is better for Hillary having picked it up and sent her strategist Howard Wolfson to the Ned Lamont campaign? Because I don't recall that problem being solved in a particularly satisfactory way for Hillary's intervention. Of course, as you helpfully pointed out yourself during that general election campaign, Democrats benefited regardless of which "Democrat" won in Connecticut.
I guess the problems Hillary picks up that get better for her having done so are made even more delicious by your extra help?
Your wife brings unique experience to her campaign for the Presidency, sir, and a perspective no candidate for that office has ever had. But to say that every problem she picks up is better when she puts it down isn't just campaign rhetoric -- it's an untruth, Mr President. And Americans have had quite enough untruths from the mouths of Presidents, former or current, after the last seven years.
So, please -- if your heart's set on being First Laddie, don't feed the untruth beast, sir. It's not worked out well for you in the past and I don't recommend it going forward.
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Yeah!!!! and thanks
Hi Mr Teddy!
Can I stay even if I don’t know anything about this topic at all?
Teddy,
You nail it as far as I’m concerned.
Teddy, don’t hold back!
I f we could only have a President who told the truth. Fireside chats with the truth. Bad and good. Ask for suggestions on how to improve things and listen to the American people.
Ask for sacrifice and explain why….could we elect someone who would get past the power include us in his decisions?
Ouch! I hope that leaves a big bruise. Of course, you do expect him to support her. I just hope it leaves a mark…
You can learn a lot about what Teddy is talking about if you read some of the stuff he links to. In order to understand the current political scene, it is essential to understand the Clinton years, and also very important to understand the Reagan years.
Tedzilla’s special comment!
Teddy you sound like KO with this!
Proving yet again that Hillary wouldn’t even be running if her last name was Smith.
I’m so angry, I’m ready to burn a flag.
That’s how ya learn grasshopper.
Thanks, sometimes people don’t help her and we need more young people that can do the reseach and come to a conclusion, not just take test.
Just what the progressive blogosphere needs. Another rant against Hillary Clinton.
I’ve made a promise to not go negative on any Dems until after Iowa. Gawd this is tuff. I’m getting the shakes.
I noticed that too. Keith-esque
Facts are facts.
Should we ignore them?
Have you noticed how many American flags have been burned in this country in the last year?
Hillary, Bill, and Wes Clark are actively raising money and endorsing Senator Mark Pryors campaign.
Mark is:
anti choice
anti Habeas Corpus
pro federalist judges
pro Gonzo
pro torture
pro war
Mark is a child of the Clintons and Lieberman
All one needs to know in order to understand what the Clintons think of honest smart liberals is remember Joycelynn Elders and remember gays in the military just needed a bigger closet.
I want a seat on the board of directors for WalMart.
Democrat-lite is not what I’m about and we at this site have fought so hard to keep Dem-lite from calling the shots.
Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWksEJQEYVU
http://www.vikingkittens.com/
I’m getting close to breaking my promise not to shoot arrows at Democrats. Time to go eat.
It’s the “sir”.
How many American flags got drowned or messed up in Hurricane Katrina?
geez TSF, you just had to bring up Evan Bayh, didn’t ya?
Oh, and whatever Bill said - well it’s obviously good for the Republicans.
Kind of looks like Big Dawg has got a flea in his ear.
I surprised you didn’t mention Iraq. Hillary made Iraq “better” for almost 3 years before she set that one down. She was all set to do the same with Iran until the NIE bettered her betterment out of existence.
Guess I had Kudlow mixed up with Cramer (whew!!!). Thanks. ;0)
God save the DLC. Vote Clinton.
The anti-Hillary blogs have no trouble ignoring all of her progressive policy positions and voting record on universal health care, energy policy, climate change, education, etc. etc.
Don’t know whether Chertoff has a count on that yet. You make a good point. Have a great year ahead!
lahoma and okk
No this is a good one based on facts. Tweety’s anti Hilary rants sound more like something out of that film “Mean Girls”.
Hillary’s voting record.
Teddy, did I every tell you I love you?
A great post, and just the right amount of /snark:)
Yeah the Snark got that one right good writing TSF
Thanks OKK and Lahoma.
I think my group blog is dying again. I am the only one who has posted since school let out. Two more weeks and then I hang the CLOSED sign on the front door again.
They also have no problem ignoring her leadership in the US Senate because she hasn’t shown any, except for the bits about supporting the Iraq war longer than William F. Buckley and saber rattling with Iran over a nuclear weapons program it stopped 3 years ago.
It is based on selected facts, not her entire record or her policy positions.
Frankly, I’m hoping whoever the Democratic nominee will be is going to hold those positions.
But there were still a lot of policies that Bill Clinton and the DLC backed that I did not like, and continue not to like.
Capital punishment and an aggressive mid-east policy are just two.
Here’s what I can’t ignore: the fact that there are so many people in the country who absolutely wouldn’t vote for her come hell or high water means that she need to essentially run the table with every other voter in the entire country.
She’s our best chance of losing the presidential race by far. She hasn’t been a bad senator.
Well, I respect TSF and commentors views, but I’m out on this one. Again, I support any of the Democrats. As fine a person as she is, I think you might find a few favorable comments Elizabeth Edwards has made about her husband that others would challenge. The same is true of Michelle Obama.
Anyway, happy new year. I’ll see if I’m accepted back when you’re kicking Republican ass.
Alvord January 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
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Just what the progressive blogosphere needs. Another rant against Hillary Clinton.
Alvord: Go back and read Teddy’s post again. Hill just got caught in Bill’s blowback. Eh? Get it?
Thanks
TSF - one of the best renditions of the multiple screwups of the first few months of 1993 I’ve read in a long time! Lest we forget, the UN has determined that about a half million Iraqis died from malnutrition, waterborne diseases, lack of medical care infrastructure and bombing during the administrations of Bill Clinton.
If you think it was just blowback against Bill you need to read the post again.
SnarK: This is a very slow time of year for all blogs that are not run by full-time professional writers and staff. I wouldn’t put too much weight on your current dry spell.
To AstralTechnician from last thread, a Deanic hug right back. Didn’t think anyone remembered those heady days of BOA blog. The first time I had a computer and I discovered blogs and the wonderous ‘comment’ section.
I was in Iowa the week before the caucuses for Dean. And the memory of that time is still painful. But surely met great people.
Back on topic, Bill seems to have lost his political compass. It must be lost when he visited with Bush Sr. and took so much time traveling with him. One cannot hang out with that clan and survive intact, methinks.
I have wondered if there is not an agreement among the republican political elite that Hillary can be prez for a while, because it will be good for wall street and they can spend four years banging away on the ‘beat the Clinton’ drum again. They had so much fun last time. [grumble[grumble]
OT…sort of;If anyone isn’t convinced that this primary is causing meltdowns and hyperbolic rhetoric, go over to Open left and check out this thread. I absolutely adore Matt Stoller, and this doesn’t have anything to with agreeing or disagreeing with him, but…well just check it out.
http://www.openleft.com/showDi.....3002#23757
the post would never have been written if Big Dog hadn’t opened his mouth. she did what she did. Big Dog put his spin on it.
We are 3 HS students, 2 8th graders, and 1 college student.
Yep the facts we Lefties disagree with her on. The GOP attacks her all the time and she keeps running after their votes and they hate her.
Me I am sick of being ignored, taken for granted, told that I have no choice, told that we are not strong enough to stop Bush.
But on the brightside after Hilary loses in Iowa maybe she will stop ignoring us 70%ers fire Penn and come back from the darkside!
This thread is way over the top. Come on!
I believe that having served as POTUS does something permanent to the human mind that makes normal cognition forever impossible. (This is not snark.)
Thanks for your thoughtful & oh so informed post TeddySF with just the perfect punch, as always. Am off to digg your post and encourage fellow pups to do the same and share Teddy’s talent far and wide.
and i’m not one of those who despised Bill or Hill. we’re in a different era now however and Hillary will make a much better senator than she can possibly be as president.
Spot on, ET (and TSF).
If Hillary has the cubes to win the nomination, she has my vote. I saw her run for the Senate here and she took districts that would never vote for her.
So I take the negatives with a grain of salt.
over the top? no way. hard-hitting? you bet.
That sounds very cool!
Students and other academics are socially programmed to mostly shut down from productive activity between the Fall and Spring semester. I co-blog with two other professors, and we haven’t posted to our blog since December 21.
I thought Hillary showed her true self (and Obama for that matter) by avoiding the showdown with Dodd/FISA for the rule of law and that quaint little oath of hers to protect and defend the constitution. Evasive maneuvers are not leadership.
If we can’t tell our candidates what we don’t like about them then the marriage is doomed. Hilary listens to her enemies more than she listens to us! If she keeps this up, well we are trying to warn her she might not win the primaries although I will support her if she wins in the General Election.
Lest we forget, the UN has determined that about a half million Iraqi
s)CHILDREN( died from malnutrition, waterborne diseases, lack of medical care infrastructure and bombing during the administrations of Bill Clinton.Fixed IIRC
i’ll second that emotion. if John Edwards doesn’t get it, i’ll vote for Hill. Edwards is the best bet for a more porgressive direction in America.
As a NYS resident, I’d like someone to tell me a single thing she’s done for the state. When her spinners are asked that Q, they reply that she was reelected by an overwhelming majority. I’d note that is not an answer to what was asked. I’d also note, it’s completely irrelevant. She was elected by an overwhelming majority because she had no competition.
The Clinton’s are a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall St. As Kuttner said on C-SPAN2 today, if ordinary people can’t get anything meaningful from Ds, they might as well vote for Rs who give them tax cuts.
A Real Possibility: What if Iowa Settles Nothing for Democrats?
Speaking of AG and DOJ correct me if I’m wrong but there was a lot of ink here and in MSM on the White House taking over DOJ for political hits on Democratic Candidates–aka “the US Attorney Scandal.”
Currently two people directly connected with this have been held in Contempt–Miers, Rove by House and Senate Judiciary respectively. NOTHING has been done to bring the Contempt citations to a vote on the floor of either place.
Why?
Because of weak spinless Pelossi, Hoyer, Reid and the majority of the rest of the House and Senate Democrats.
She lost me way back at the Murdock fund raising dinner. If she is emergent as dem nominee, I’ll vote for her, but with little gusto.
if you can get a progressive candidate that can take her down i’ll cough up a benjamin.
Looks like Joan Walsh spoke a little too soon:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/w.....index.html
bedtime for fahrender. it’s been real, everybody. catch you on the flip side.
One thing she’s done as Senator was a program to connect downstate restaurants with upstate farmers. She’s also done a program to help northern bussinesses connect to downstate markets over the internet.
Mostly behind the scenes stuff like that.
Her & Schumer both. Seems like you can’t get anyone to run against them, R & D alike.
They are neither weak nor spineless; they are simply choosing not to advance a progressive agenda. While they are leaders of the Democratic Party congressional caucuses, they are also willing participants in the Republican/conservative-Democratic coalition that currently controls the Congress.
Although many of us here at FDL have our preferences, the Lake is neutral in the primaries. What the front pagers have done here however is call BS on most ALL of the candidates at one point or another. And justifiably so.
Bye! I will be back later.
Sounds to me like pretty small potatoes (pun intended). I know several people who are working on precisely that, so she could hardly take credit.
I just knew it was only a matter of time until the Senator I have a one-way love/hate relationship with was mentioned.
That she did. They have been holding in in for so long, it is coming out (by some) as vomit!
I just don’t know what to think right now. I expect lunacy from the likes of Taylor Marsh, but the really smart articulate ones….I guess it will all be over in a few months and things will be quasi normal!
“She never picks up a problem that isn’t
betterbigger when she put it down,” he said.fixed it for you, Teddy
At this point Hillary as the most serious contender is totally out of my hands.
She has a heavy hitting organization who have appealed to lots of disillusioned Repugs who have less difficulty with Hillary than the more progressive candidates. Now, I have to rely on my wishful thinking (please don’t let it be Hillary, please don’t) and that ain’t worth much because if I ever would have had luck on my wishful thinking I’d have won the lottery.
Back to reality and the way things work. She is one very serious force that just isn’t going away. I ask myself what I don’t want to hear. Hillary wins so what will you do? I’ll vote for her and if she indeed becomes president, I’ll give her hell.
Activism is a force to be reckoned with friends. I’d rather be us than her.
Want to see flag burning? Jesus Camp.
The only answer I can come up with is once all the secrets are known to the new prez, he realizes that he actually doesn’t pull all the strings and if he wants to pursue anything recognizeable, he must play the game. Rules of this ‘ruling’ game are only disclosed once elected.
I do recognize that a prez (at least in previous occupants, not the current once) believes he is president for all Americans and so must compromise to achieve what is best for everyone. and that belief might frustrate those who want him/her to slam some heads together, but still…
there must be secret rules, and walking around with one’s finger on the nuclear trigger must be mind altering… Anyway, I do not recognize Bill any longer.
Maybe it is me who is finally politically awake… [it is I who is… grrr where is my grammar book]
Yer strong enuf to stand on yer own kid, go fer it.
I wasn’t specifically referring to FDL, or implying that FDL has or has not remained neutral, and I’m certainly not taking a position on whether I agree with “official neutrality” policies anyway.
I am not really plugged in to these things, so I don’t know if he considered a “leader of the liberal blogosphere”, but Ian Welsh at Agonist just made a very firm and eloquent endorsement of Edwards and a clear repudiation of Obama:
http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/2.....ic_nominee
What I meant, is that she does the mundane stuff that Senators do. I get her news letters, and she seems to be responsive to her constituents on local issues. For my tastes, she is too cozy with the Lieberman feather of the Democratic Party on the big stuff.
I don’t know what others will do, but I will vigorously support the opponent of the Republican nominee, whoever it is.
Want to see why Church and State should be separate watch “Jesus Camp”
Take your time, there are 364 days left to sort things out this year. For the day it is, may the days that follow be good, All the best……..
DAMN STRAIGHT!!
Actually, what that movie proves is why church and camp must remain separate.
I can live with an HRC presidency, reluctantly.
What I can’t bear is the prospect of a Democratic defeat due to HRC is the nominee, however. (not saying it would necessarily play out that way, but why take the risk?)
me too!
Ha. Good for you. I’ve written her several detailed emails, but she has yet to put me on any mailing list. So I don’t find her attention to detail anything she should brag about.
Well stated and I couldn’t agree with you more punaise!
May I add that who ever the Democratic nominee is for President, I’ll work on their campaign vigorously. I’m aiming to win. Once I do, I’ll continue being an activist just as I am now.
yup. Hillary’s negatives are not only high, but those negatives are *strongly* negative.
I’ve said it before - she’s a one-woman GOTV for the Repubs.
I’ve almost never voted for a prez. Most of my votes have been against the R candidate. If Hillary’s the one, I’ll hold my nose & vote for her, but that’s it.
Well, as far as that goes, ANYONE who has been the target of the reich wing hate machine as she has been for the last fifteen years is going to have high negatives.
Well look what the putrid neo-CONS have brought back out. You have to see it to believe it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYk5MNjYhmk
hey, npb! happy new year…
I’ve said it before - she’s a one-woman GOTV for the Repubs.
That assumes that the Republicans find someone to actually vote for.
Hillary runs on her experience and leadership qualities. What this post does is poke a hole in Hillary’s claim that as First Lady she exercised either. As for her Senate career, she has not used her name recognition or “leadership” qualities to oppose the worst President in our history. If she hasn’t done it so far, it is doubtful that she will suddenly do so as the party’s nominee or as President.
Much the same can be said about Obama. Both of them talk the talk about leadership but everytime there is an opportunity to walk the walk on it they are nowhere to be found.
The dude says their names exactly like every insane wingnut that calls in to Washington Journal. It sounds like talking and spitting at the same time.
Right back attach punaise. Onward & upward & all that great jazz!
And, the right wing hate machine will go after whoever the D candidate is if it’s not Hillary. By the time they’re done with him, his negatives will be just as high as hers.
Oh come on. She is at least as good a candidate as John Kerry. Oh, wait.
Well, as far as that goes, ANYONE who has been the target of the reich wing hate machine as she has been for the last fifteen years is going to have high negatives.
ya know (and this is not a slam at you) I really don’t/can’t care as to why the numbers are there, or from where they originate - it’s just a fact that they exist.
Even if I believed her to be the best candidate, I’d quite possibly trade that support for some other Dem I felt to be more electable in the General.
you had me going there, for half a sec.
Ding.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0101.html
Always fun
By the time they’re done with him, his negatives will be just as high as hers.
Nobody on the D side will ever be faced with negatives as fully, deeply, passionately against them as will HRC.
Bastards. Watch all the 527’s will be Swift boating whom ever is the Dem Candidate. We can’t let them get away with it. support Robert Wexler’s bid for Impeachment hearing: at WexlerWantsHearings.com
Investigate!
Indite!
Impeach!
Prosecute!
Ship the lot of them in chains to the Haig to be tried for War Crimes and Crimes against humanity!