Wow. We might have a justice system rather than the continuing kangaroo courts we still have.

You gotta play to win…

He [Obama] probably finds Newt to be too contentious. But he has said he wants Arnold to be a part of his administration.

Would Dems ever nominate someone who uses rhetoric like that? Not likely.

So, how could it happen?

The only way I can imagine would be if Republican/Independents switched parties on caucus night in Iowa and stood for Obama. That would royally screw up the democratic process.

Would they actually stand for a Black man whose father was Muslim?

It’s quite a stretch to imagine that. They would have to have a good deal of faith that whomever remained to caucus in the Repub side would produce a candidate worth having. Then they would have to feel enough meanness to go to a Dem caucus and intentionally pick someone they despised. It’s quite a stretch.

On top of all that, if they did pick Obama and make him the Dem nominee, he might win the general election and they’d be stuck with him as president. Imagine that!

John Edwards is a better pick for everyone. He only offends the super Rich and they deserve it.

John Edwards for President — Leadership for all of America!

But what concerns me even more is that so many people who rail against the whimpy Dems in Congress who have given Bush everything that he wants somehow don’t see that with Obama and Clinton they will get more of the same. Our strength in the netroots has been diluted in a real divide and conquer strategy.

I too have been very concerned by this same point, but when you consider the decades and billions spent constructing the current Noize Machine, and how we now have generations that have grown up with all this false message framing in place, I’d say we’ve been wildly successful in just a few years.

However, it is crucial in this next year that we get more people getting their “news” from FDL and the like. The Netroots are getting infrustructure in place and gaining a lot of experiential knowledge along the way, so we’re still just warming up! When we get the pendulum swung so far back that Russ Feingold is considered the “centrist” that he is, then we’ll start seeing some massive institutional changes.

An Edwards win, while not perfect, would be a big step in that direction.

Christy, I too like the Edwards commercial. Actually I’ve liked all of Edwards commercials. I’d also have to agree with some of the other posters that the more I see of Obama the less I like him. When he started copying Edwards stump speech while at the same time attacking him I saw just another politician who doesn’t really believe in his own message.

Last night when I checked the Des Moines Register poll I was really stunned. In the last week every indication was that Edwards was surging yet this poll showed the opposite. When I looked at the internals I was again stunned that the poll relied so heavily on 1st time caucus goers and Independents and Republicans. They also asked the question who would unite the country more which as everyone knows is a main Obama talking point. The poll really seemed like it went out of it’s way to boost Obama. It was very discouraging.

As an Edwards supporter I have always known that the entrenched interests were against him and that he’d have an uphill battle to get traction. Seeing the Register poll, the Rothenberg & Klein articles that viciously attacked Edwards yesterday has only confirmed my view. But what concerns me even more is that so many people who rail against the whimpy Dems in Congress who have given Bush everything that he wants somehow don’t see that with Obama and Clinton they will get more of the same. Our strength in the netroots has been diluted in a real divide and conquer strategy. I really hope that enough people in Iowa caucus for Edwards so that he gets a big win in Iowa. Because if he doesn’t they are going to spin this as a tie (see Nagourney’s NYT piece).

Selise@123

I also agree, to a point. If Dennis can’t be a good president, who can do better who actually has a spine with integrity still intact? And, pardon my ignorance, but what did he do during the 2004 DNC? Don’t get me wrong, I think Dennis walks to the beat of a different drummer; something I like but realize he has his faults. One being that he’s mighty inexperienced with running a campaign, this being his second time around and all!

I can see the problem with Dennis getting anyone in Congress to cooperate with him because I’m not seeing it thus far. I don’t know what the answer is, other than I really would have liked to see Al Gore run again, but that ain’t gonna happen! But even he has his problems.

I hope that 2008 provides some measure of accountability. A previous poster linked to Driftglass, and I have to say he’s spot on. Even the best of us have to use the f bomb a time or two!

At the very least, Edwards sees where the parade is headed and has reduced his pitch to one word: “FIGHT”.

I believe that this is why he polls so well against any of the Repubs.

I agree with those who assert that the way to change this is to get rid of non-progressive Dems by defeating them electorally and replacing them with more progressive ones.

I like Hartman’s analogy of pols’ jumping to the head of the parade and saying “follow me!”

Strangely, Hillary and Obama won’t even do that. They seem unaware that the parade has changed direction, and they’re still marching where they thought the parade was headed.

At the very least, Edwards sees where the parade is headed and has reduced his pitch to one word: “FIGHT”.