-- Politics were really about the needs of all Americans and not just the ones who could afford to write out the big checks? The Edwards ad at the right hits home with me -- in part because the fellow in the ad reminds me so much of so many people I know here in WV who need someone to speak for them in the halls of power. See what you think.
-- The press listened more to Arthur Schlesinger (via Atrios):
Arthur Schlesinger, in his biography of Kennedy, quotes Richard Harwood of The Washington Post:
“We discovered in 1968 this deep, almost mystical bond that existed between Robert Kennedy and the Other America. It was a disquieting experience for reporters. ... We were forced to recognize in Watts and Gary and Chimney Rock that the real stake in the American political process involves not the fate of speechwriters and fund-raisers, but the lives of millions of people seeking hope out of despair.” (emphasis mine)
-- Political reporters stopped worrying so much about the horse race aspect and focused, instead, on how seriously the American public are taking their political decision-making process this time around? On the fact that Iowa is only the first in a long series of primaries and that Americans benefit from a discussion of the issues -- not some sort of quick coronation? Stop rushing us -- selecting a president is important, and if you learned anything the last few years it ought to have been that picking the wrong person is bad for the nation.
-- Barack Obama stopped parrotting GOP memes? Here's the truth: yes, there are some plaintiffs' lawyers who bring stupid ass cases, but there are also defense firms who defend claims that ought to settle -- solely because their corporate clients fail to see reason or ethical obligation when they have wronged someone. There is not one side with clean hands -- take it from someone who has both sued on behalf of clients and defended clients against suits. It sucks when you get sued, absolutely, but it also stinks when you are injured and your insurance company, as one example, to whom you paid premiums for years, tries to find every loophole in the world to avoid paying your claim. It is far from a one-trick pony show in terms of bad faith.
And in case Mr. Obama, who is Harvard law school trained himself, hasn't noticed -- state bars nationwide have mechanisms in place to file complaints against poor lawyering, and both state and federal courts have mechanisms in place for Rule 11 sanctions from the court for bringing or prosecuting actions in bad faith. And no lawyer on either side of a civil case is forced to represent a client -- they just aren't. So stop the soundbite scapegoating, beyond being factually inaccurate, it's also conduct unbecoming a lawyer who sure as hell ought to know better than to feed inaccurate stereotypes to the public to score short-term political points.
Happy New Year, everyone!
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Christy!
Good Morning
Happy New Year, Redd…
Coffee? hot and tasty this morning…
Obama is gettin’ on my one last nerve.
Morning all. Hot coffee and watching the Rose Parade with The Peanut. Life is good…
Pour me a cuppa OC
Edwards was my candidate in 2004 and very angry about the medial black out where the only thing they have to say about him is so frivolous.
Why is it that the media expects us to choose a President like a American Idol contest…
Ooooh, the Rose Parade…enough of the CNN “horse race bowl day”
leaves to flip off Hillary for….yoikers…where’s the Rose Parade???? Nets only have Regis, Rachel and Tyra. Why do the nets hate America?
Good morning from L.A. Happy New & Improved Year to all, & Best Wishes for a Democratic sweep in about 11 months.
For those in need already (or still) in 2008, here’s where the Roget family makes their annual trek later today & all day tomorrow. Amazing amount of people walked in off the street on New Year’s Day in 2007:
Covenant House- Hollywood CA
Happy New Year, Christy, and everyone!
O/T from the previous thread. But it’s important.
They’re in. Beerfart’s picks. Print ‘em. Run, don’t walk to your friendly bookie or Las Vegas.
1)Outback Bowl
Wisconsin-Tenn
Vols. overrated, as usual. Badgers win outright. Save Big Ten from another shameful bowl showing.
2)Cotton or something
Ark.-Mizzou
Mizzou
3) Don’t know which one
Tex. Tech-Virginny
Couldn’t Care Less
4)Crapitol One Citrtus Bowl
Michigan-Florida
Big Ten = Loser Conference. Gators in a rout
(For whatever it’s worth the weather is and has been crappy in O-town and the field will be a mess)
5)Rose Bowl
Illinois - USC
See 4 above. Another rout.
6) Sugar Bowl
Hawaii - Geoegia
Warriors scare piss outta Bulldogs. Take the points.
Tomorrow:
7)Fiesta Bowl (I can remember when this was a minor bowl. I’m old.)
West Virginia - Oklahoma
Mountaineers uphold honor of the B’east.
8) National Championship Game:
LSU - Ohio State.
See 5 above.
Obama hating on trial-lawyers? Color me non-surprised, given his statement that he’d have Repub’s in his Cabinet, his relationship with JoeLie, etc.
One would think that he’d save the “get-the-independent and cross-over voters” until the General Election.
Poor strategy and inexperienced staff, or a true look into the soul? If the latter, he certainly doesn’t seem to be looking at the Dem base as being *his* base…
Prairie — It’s on HGTV. I always watch it there, because you get really good coverage.
good…stuff like that will prop up your immune system…allow yourself unfettered JOY….we will fight em HAPPILY with power and humor!
You skipped the Orange Bowl. GO ILLINI! GO DAWGS!
Thanks for your comments about enabling the anti-lawyer crowd, Christy!
Married into a family of lawyers and some of my best friends…yadda…
Trial lawyers, litigators in particular, are our Paladins. Salut this New Year’s Day to the lawyers of Pakistan. And the American 1000.
Need more coffee- I meant to add to #8 up there- Donations always needed & appreciated :)
Anybody know where I can find that on DirecTV? Not used to having control of the flinker, don’t know where the channels are.
I am liking Obama less and less the more I see and hear.
Driftglass has a great new post up explaining clearly and accurately exactly why it is completely insane for any Democrat to attempt to “build bridges” with Republican Party as it is now constituted. Here is just a tasty morsel:
http://driftglass.blogspot.com.....alone.html
For those who are not familiar with Driftglass, he is truly a master of both political analysis and the English sentence.
one word comes to mind from intro-psych classes
detatched…these people are detached by their handlers…must go talk to real people like Siddartha…journey to find our NEW path
I think that Obama doesn’t understand the difference. He seems to be a very shallow person with a very smooth delivery.
CHS.
Good-no excellent- point about the lawyers. There are so many rules and statutes in existence that will work to POUND you, the lawyer, if you bring a frivolous suit, this should not be an issue. But people love to hear it and beat up on lawyers. ’til Aunt Tilly cut rthem out of her will. Or they get fired. Plus there’s the economics. As you know personal injury lawyers do these case on contingency. No recovery? No fee. No sense in bringing a suit that has no chance of recovery. They (insurance companies and employers I have in mind) are scared of imaginative lawyers who can find more and better ways to collect damages for people who deserve it.
those lawyers are heroes …i saw the photos
For those who are not familiar with Driftglass, he is truly a master of both political analysis and the English sentence.
yup
Happy New Year all.
There seems to be a lot to do in 2008. We’d best get started.
… and apparently he’s the master of the one-sentence paragraph.
Happy New Years everybody! Prairie, HGTV is 229 on DirecTV. The Rose Parade is amazing, even better if you can get there in person. The smell of all the flowers is incredible. I’ll be watching Michigan get stomped by Florida, then root for the Illini. Go Big Ten!
Didn’t skip it. It’s not on New Year’s. I did the Fiesta because it has a Big East team that’s gonna surprise people and I’m a Big East fan.
I think that Obama doesn’t understand the difference. He seems to be a very shallow person with a very smooth delivery.
Does that make Newt his front-runner for Veep?
Go go Gophers!
What? Again?
awwwww how wunnerful!!! fresh flowers!
Happy New Year peoples.
Balrog, your Gophers need to make a resolution to fire their coach and start over. Firing Glen Mason was a disaster.
yes…we are building strength through unity
Happy New Years everybody! Prairie, HGTV is 229 on DirecTV. The Rose Parade is amazing, even better if you can get there in person. The smell of all the flowers is incredible. I’ll be watching Michigan get stomped by Florida, then root for the Illini. Go Big Ten!
The Citrus Parade is ….. interesting. Once. But they give all the fruit to homeless shelters so good for them.
pancakes are in order ….later peeps
IMHO out of the three top candidates, Obama will be the easiest for the Repugs to beat. His “can’t we all get along” is NOT going to do it cut it. Drew Westin who wrote the Political Brain thinks they will do a Harold Ford Jr on him and Obama just can’t or won’t fight back effectively….
It certainly was enjoyable to read all of you folks chatting this morning. Good-bye & Happy New Year.
Luckily I am a CU alumni. Actually in Boulder as I speak. Never was a Gophers football fan.
They hired an Illin! Not to mention Tubby.
Christy, this is a great post, and I agree with you completely on the role of attorneys in a constitutional republic.
Just one quibble: I think your reliance on the existence of Rule 11 as a reason for believing that friviolous lawsuits only occur rarely is a weak point in your argument. Rule 11 only sets a very low bar for frivolity.
There is, of course, a great deal of other evidence of the falsity of the idea that “frivolous lawsuits” interfere in any substantial way with legitimate and lawful business activity in this country.
Balrog, you’re not that far from Fargo [tundra miles not being the same as right coast miles….], you, too, can become a Bison fan. I think we qualify for bowl games next year after the obligatory probationary Div-1A newbie stage. Will save you lotsa Gopher heartache next year.
Thanks, Twisted–watchin’ the warmup time now. Seems the nets cover parade only, not the hard work leading up to it as HGTV does. Hmmmmm, where have we seen that news concept before….
Go, Edwards!
Never good-bye, MarieRoget, ’til we I-meetup again….HNY!
You’ll shocked to know that Republican ethics is more primitive than the law of the jungle. It boils down to this: Evil is when you steal from me; Good is when I steal from you. They apply that principle in every sphere. They have no notion that ethics should be symmetrical.
Here it is in action: Mitt Romney is a business man who took risks and created wealth. John Edwards on the other hand made his fortune by taking away the wealth of others via the courts. He created nothing.
They have multiple well financed propaganda mills that pose as tax-exempt think tanks, where highly paid wordsmith sit around dreamining this shit up.
And how did the Buffs do?
Beautifully concise “what ifs,” Christy. What if, indeed?
Obama is very, very dangerous. I’m surprised more people haven’t picked up on that.
Darn: bad tag. Meant to use italics, not block-quote on the “very”.
[Mod: Italics it is. Happy new year.]
OfT News of the Vapid:
Contessa Brewer on the present intricacies of Pakistani politics and election issues:
“It’s all craziness over there.”
umm, thank you?
Lost in the Tidy Bowl to Alabama I believe.
As a Kentucky fan, I can say that hiring Tubby was a great move for them. Too bad too many of my fellow Wildcat fans were so blessedly clueless.
I pointedly did not rely solely on Rule 11. There is a very good reason that I said “state bars nationwide have mechanisms in place to file complaints against poor lawyering” which is where the real meat of enforcement can be found in most states. There are also a buttload of legal provisions in terms of summary judgment motions and other things but, frankly, it’s New Year’s Day and I didn’t feel like getting pedantic, wonky and nitpicky about it.
I think he can/would fight back in a general election. one of the lessons supposedly learned from 2004 is that Kerry didn’t fight back soon enough. I don’t necessarily buy that, but this time ’round I think the Democratic nominee will be fighting back from the word go. Even if he didn’t do it himself -and I think he would-he’d have surrogates doing it. I’m not worried about Obama being too nice or a patsy. He just ain’t my guy. But I could easily live with him.
Tubby appears to rock. Good move to nick him from KU.
I feel compelled to mentioned that, although technically true, the state bar takes their sweet time applying sanctions to discipline unprincipled lawyers.
I know of a case that is finally being prosecuted, but investigation and prosecution has taken over two years so far. The lawyer did a lot of really unscrupulous stuff, from check kiting to co-mingling funds from her trust account (she was basically converting trust monies to her own), yet they are still holding back on charges three years after the clients started realizing their money was disappearing down a rabbit hole. Ive never seen more foot-dragging. It’s indefensible that this should be taking such a long, long time. Makes you wonder if the intention is to run out the clock on the statute of limitations.
That would be UK (University of Kentucky). KU in the basketball world would be Kansas University.
Tidy Bowl? Alabama flush with success?
In muy earlier responmse, Prof, I noted that, in the sttae court system at least, there are all kinds of statutes and rules that not only provide for fees for frivolous lawsuits but also shift fees. Also, Rule 11 is good for getting you to think twice. Just knowing it’s out there works. Besides, alot of judges use Rule 11 and they won’t get reversed for doing so. Trial judges, in my view, are and have been, encouraged to impose sanctions. That’s not a bad thing, necessarily. But it does say we really don’t need anything else. The system can take care of frivolous suits.
I hope he’s at least a little better than that. If not, he’s just a smooth delivery from what we’ve got.
I’d like to see Edwards throw around the phrase “unearned income” a few times. It’s been described as “capital gains” which are inviolate, and for some odd reason are taxed at roughly half the rate of earned income (which the Republicans have not yet figured out how to smear).
The twisted logic is that we need to reward “risk-taking” entrepreneurs whose gambling “grows the economy” or they’ll their take their money and stick it in a mattress. A) they won’t — they’ll still seek the best returns; b) we can stop them from hiding offshore income; and c) do we really WANT them taking risks like Enron and subprime mortgage instruments?
All income should be taxed alike, regardless of whether it’s a return on capital or on labor. Duh!!
Quite true, John. And what’s most dangerous about Obama is the way he’s coopted liberal principles and turned them into neo-fascist memes.
I stand by every single word I wrote about him HERE
and HERE.
I saw Robert Kennedy in 1968. It was like nothing I have seen, heard or felt since. And then, Sirhan Sirhan………yes, what if?
He probably finds Newt to be too contentious. But he has said he wants Arnold to be a part of his administration.
those singer/dancers leading off the Rose Parade are gonna mighty tired at the end of the parade route… it’s 5 or 6 miles long… a very LONG parade!
cute though…
Ann — That depends on the state bar. In WV, we have a very, very good peer review and punishment for wrongdoing mechanism in place. We have a small bar, and we take policing our own very seriously.
So YMMV, depending on where you live and the level of ethics involved in a particular bar association.
Illegal downloads have nothing to do with why the Record companies and the RIAA are loosing money. If you look at the trends, they started hemorrhaging money when the great media consolidation of the 2000’s began. What do you think people are going to do when you shove a bunch of plastic, pre-made, just add water “music” down their throats. Of course this is done by the 10 radio stations in town all owned by one company, who wanted a sweeter royalty deal, so it decided to ink the same contract at 10x over instead of investing in 10 new musicians. Let the RIAA and the rest of the useless swine over at music studies go brankrupt, you reap what you sow, welcome to the 21st century
All I can say is I think CHS is right. When I was practicing I was always very aware of the possibility of being sanctioned or having counsel fees imposed on me and I just didn’t have that kind of money lyin’ around. Other lawyers felt the same.
Absolutely. “pedantic, wonky and nitpicky”: My middle names.
Oh, and Happy New Year everyone. Should be an exciting year, if nothing else, due to the election and all. I wish us all better luck this year than we had in the last year, although I’m sure things could have been worse even last year. After all, we still aren’t at war in Iran yet.
Usually, they are with me as well. But I was up too late last night. *g* Plus, if I started detailing all the potential remedies and tactics available to combat legal wankery, you’d be in a civil litigation class for a semester…and, trust me, no one wants to live through that much wonkery without there being a financial reward at the end. ;-)
Anybody buyin’ Beerfart’s Upset Special? Hawaii over Georgia.
so edwards has a site up to submit youtube adds
it inspired me and I figured I’d give it a go…problem is this is probably more then 30 seconds and I can use some editing from you guys if you care to take a stab;
Yes, some of the best news might be the things that could have happened in ‘07 but didn’t.
Have I told you how much John Edwards reminds me of RFK lately?*g*
perris — As Jane and I are two of the judges for the contest, if you truly are thinking about entering, you probably shouldn’t work out your entry in the comments here. Ya know? *g*
not with business. but there are the slap suits, and other nasties, that some businesses do (see pw’s post from yesterday on the riaa).
but it would have been nice since the election season began so early that the longer coverage translated to more in-depth coverage. All that seems to have happened is that there are more cycles to who’s up and who’s down. Huckabee was ridiculed for raising his hand on the evolution question. Now it’s Huck-a-mania. McCain was written off but now with all the rest of the candidates proving so crummy he can climb back in. Giuliani was up before, then he slid. Up. Down. Up. Down. making me queasy. Thank God for the YouTube debates. Those’ll probably never happen again.
A couple days ago–in the context of a post on Bai’s NY Times piece on Steve Gilliard–a few people asked for suggestions of his best posts. This one–linked by Driftglass–really resonates with me. I think it is very apropos in this Presidential election cycle.
http://stevegilliard.blogspot......w-ive.html
Here’s the climax:
what’s the contest again? i read this and forgot.
and also, perris, you’ve got about a five minute spot there, methinks.
Try cuttin’ to the bone–60 words, tops.
In a previous life, I was a patent litigator; it’s how I developed my wonk chops.
i really like that edwards was a trial lawyer defending the people against the corporations who harmed them.
i just wish i could reconcile his record when he was in the senate with his rhetoric now… ‘cuz i hate obama’s rhetoric (althougth i like some of his policy proposals) and i hate clinton’s policy (especially on social security).
good think i don’t vote in an early state… ‘cuz i’m all confused this time.
That’s boring stuff, man.
Nope. I like the Warriors, but I think they are going to get crushed.
and he wrote that in 2003.
for folks who didn’t read his posts as he wrote them, now’s a good time to start - he was way ahead of his time.
I’m confused too. Good thing my state doesn’t have any delegates, huh?
I would replace the “promises to” parallel construction with “will”.
I don’t think they’ll get crushed. Hope not. They’re my sentimental favorite. Plus, as many of you know, I HATE the SEC.
sounds better, thanx, *will* do
The last I looked into these things, anti-SLAAP statutes existed in most (all?) states. Anyone know if they really have any teeth?
I also dislike the SEC; their top teams are almost always overrated compared to other conferences.
I loved it.
Digby also linked to that one yesterday:
who boy, I just did a quick readover and that really needs tons of grammer work..will chop down to firts couple of paragrapgs and submit
christy, I don’t care if I win or loose, I don’t care of anyone uses any of my ideas, it’s all in the dialogue, that’s all that matters to me
“I’m a fighting liberal” should be required reading at every caucus… t-shirts, anyone?
WHAT IF… Political reporters stopped worrying so much about … the fact that Iowa is only the first in a long series of primaries and that Americans benefit from a discussion of the issues — not some sort of quick coronation?
Right! And I couldn’t help being reminded of Adam Nagourney’s latest masterpiece in yesterday’s NY Times:
“What if Iowa Settles Nothing for Democrats?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ey.html?hp
The premise of which — that something is terribly wrong if the Democratic nominee isn’t definitely decided on by the very first state primaries — is so irredeemibly stupid, that we cannot help realizing it to be code language for –”Omigod, what if Hillary is not the clear winner like she was supposed to be?”
Well, Adam, the answer is this — maybe then we’d begin to have something vaguely resembling democracy in the Democratic Party and in this country, that’s what if.
(Remember, this is the same Adam Nagourney who, along with Jodi Wilgoren, wrote so many of those smear pieces against Howard Dean for the Times four years ago.)
The same Nagourney that starts every pieces with “Democrats in disarray”? Makes it easy to write his pieces, he can just phone them in.
Happy New Year everyone. I’m going to focus my effort of congressional races this year. I don’t feel like there’s anything I can do to for the presidential race. I also feel that the more and better democrats we have continue to build into the fold, the better the future looks for everyone.
And I’m going to have a place setting at my table everyday for impeachment.
Happy New Year everybody! I love you guys. Firedoglake is my rock, my sword and my hope.
Oh yea, Go Edwards!
Happy New Year to Christy and Jane, and all the Firepups. “What if” indeed. What if the Democrats, all of them, started acting like they believe in the Constitution, and stopped trying to make peace the criminals in the White House?
There’s a troubling trend that I’m seeing; even the blogs are drifting toward MSM. This is a case in point. John Edwards? Barrack Obama? What about Dennis? Even the blogs don’t talk much about him. You want experience, he’s got it. You want someone who has critical thinking skills (for the most part), he has them. And yet practically the only thing that we hear about him is his UFO experience he had at Shirley M.’s house for pete’s sake!
Dennis doesn’t get much press because he probably doesn’t have alot of coin streaming in from the corporate pimps. Even though John speaks a good message, I wonder just how much he’s receiving from them.
The bottom line: most of us don’t feel like our vote even counts. The primaries will be long decided before the SD election even gets here; and let’s not even talk about the electoral college in the generals. I think I’ll stick with Dennis (that is if he even has a sufficient enough campaign organization to be on the ballet, or invited to various state events). It’s very unfortunate that he does not have a dynamic team to help in on the net, because this is practically the only place he’ll get any coverage.
I apologize if this may sound personal, but I’d really like to see FDL take a closer look at Dennis. Sure, you’ve given him a spot or two, but nothing compaired to the front few.
Just sayin; Happy New Year! :)
Thanks for the theme to my closing argument against an insurance company for failure to provide coverage case:
“It sucks when you get sued, absolutely, but it also stinks when you are injured and your insurance company, as one example, to whom you paid premiums for years, tries to find every loophole in the world to avoid paying your claim.”
Christy, trial lawyers *are* invaluable to consumers who are greviously harmed by manufacturers of flawed products and I appreciate what they do. However, you must admit that there are some class-action law firms who practice a special brand of extortion that ends up actually costing consumers money in the long run. I would prefer that the profession heal itself but it the worst offenders aren’t curbed, you can hardly blame some people who work for the affected industries to seek a legislative remedy.
OTOH, what you are pointing out here is another mistake by the Obama campaign to frag its friends. He’s picked on unions as well. My image of Obama and his values is coming into sharper relief. He is more in the mold of the Broderite contingent than the progressive contingent. What is surprising is that his fan base are not picking up on these clues. The charismatic delivery and “freshness” is overwhelming their ability to pick up the signal amidst all of the noise.
Now, to be fair, Edwards has also done some fragging, particularly of Democrats in Congress with whom he will have to campaign next year, provided he wins the nomination. And he hasn’t made any friends with the vast majority of Americans who have to work for corporations and understand that much of the blame for what has happened with corporations can be traced back to Wall Street.
But when it comes right down to it, the person who is best able to govern is one that stands firm on principle, knows who his/her friends are and invites all parties to participate based on common values and goals.
Who has done the least to piss off the allies, as a observable progressive voting record and yet has policies that will be win-win for all?
That is the person who deserves your vote.
Yep.
Too often, lawsuits and injured/killed victims of corporate malfeasance are considered by them to be “costs of doing business.” I’m sorry, people are people, customers even, not “costs.”
See also one of my all-time favorite films: Paul Newman in “The Verdict.”
great quote from the president, first thing he has ever said that I actually respected for wit and inteligence
happened at “the radio and television correspondance association dinner” as reported in newsweek’
HOLY CRAP
that was pretty good comming from bush
Short, to the point, and deadly accurate.
I read it (Steve Gillard’s “I’m a fighting liberal“) last night on Digby’s recommendation, and immediately sent a copy to all of my political friends.
OT; here’s a late Christmas present for everybody. :o)
God, do I LOVE hearing Crazy Annie refer to the leading republican candidate in Iowa as “…this little stretch-marked cornpone…”
Falwell LIVES! He LIVES! He is risen from the dead and now leadeth the GOP snakehandlers to the promised land of perpetual political success.
What! You got a problem with that, Annie? :o)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/2.....2dyjNOxBIF
I was gonna say something like that. You see horserace stuff at FDL, too. But I didn’t say it ’cause you see far more of substance. And the horserace aspect is real. it just shouldn’t be focused upon to the near exclusion of …. everything else. That doesn’t happen here. And besides, we’re political junkies here. A few days before the Iowa caucuses we’ll get caught up in that, too.
But yeah, im, I noticed that too.
Perris — My point was not about whether you won or lost, it was about the fact that, as Jane and I are judging the contest and, as such, no one should be discussing their contest entries if they have them in our comments.
It’s an appearance of impropriety issue for Jane and I and, as such, I’m asking you and anyone else not to talk about any entry they may or may not be putting together in our comments. Because it (a) isn’t fair to folks outside FDL who may be entering and (b) puts Jane and I in a bad spot at having to avoid comments otherwise.
a year my approval rating was in the 30’s, my nominee for supreme court had just withdrawn, and my vice president had just shot someone. ahhhh… those were the good ol’ days
I think that was from last year..
Which does not rule out his having said it again this year of course - he’s not a “details” man…
got it, didn’t quite understand
great idea by the way
There was a wonderful quote from a New Jersey case where the court said it was rejecting the carrier’s unholy mantra: we collect premiums. we don’t pay claims. That’s pretty close. lemme see if I can find a citation.
Go back and re-read what I wrote. I said very clearly that there are plaintiffs’ counsel who file crap suits, just as there are defense counsel who act badly as well. There are people who are far from being saints on BOTH sides of this — and pretending otherwise is dishonest. Period.
here it is:
Judge Baime in Owens-Illinois, Inc., v United Ins. Co., 264 N.J. Super. 460, 491 (App. Div. 1993), as “the unholy mantra” of “we collect premiums; we do not pay claims.”
In my view the obama campaign staff is the same as Chris Lahane
and I hope people remember the attacks on organized labor when it comes time to hire consultants again…let them get more work from the Libertarians.
Also the tort reform plan developed by John Edwards goes a long way to ending the problem of “crap” law suits.
i hadn’t heard any update on it… my apologies for not looking, i’m a little distracted - working on a webpage (with blog!) i made my nephews.
I think this blog like a lot of progressives including myself are gravitating to Edwards. It is a mixture of ideals and pragmatism. He has the best combination of views that agree with ours and popularity that gives him a reasonable chance of becomig the nominee. Kucinich has a lot of good ideas but zero chance of being the nominee. Obama (charisma) and Hillary (the Establishment) have popularity but don’t represent Democratic or progressive values.
Disagree.
With the “class action extortion” language.
Gotta run. This place is still a shithouse from last night. Nappy New Year. be nice to lawyers and I just hope the best man wins. And yes, I did mean “man.” Sorry, Hill.
Happy not Nappy. I’ll get Imus-ed.
Unfortunately, they do represent Democratic values, just not progressive ones. This is a common error I am seeing very frequently on progressive blogs, and leads to complaints like, “What is wrong with the Democrats; why are they so weak and ineffectual?”
“The Democrats” are neither weak not ineffectual. What progressives see as wrong with “the Democrats” is that the Democratic Party is not controlled by its progressive wing.
I like Hartman’s analogy of pols’ jumping to the head of the parade and saying
“follow me!” Any D will work out & 2008 charisma can’t hurt. Getting personal this first day of 08 —-Christy, now that you are back I really
like the format at FDL but I need a bird picture Sunday morning. Is today
sundday morning??
i lived in cleveland when kucinich was mayor (and trashed his own career to save the city’s power company). kucinich was the first politician i ever gave any money too (in 2004), so i am a fan - but i don’t think he would necessarily make a good president… and i’m pretty pissed off at him for what he did (and more specifically what he didn’t do at the 2004 DNC).
just wanted to let you know that i wasn’t ignoring him because of perceived lack of electability.
I, like many others, won’t have any say in the primaries. But, I’m going to have to vote for one of these folks in the general election and hope that they can begin to undo the damage of the last 7 years. I know they all are more likely to do that than any of the Republican candidates. Accordingly, I would only recommend that people don’t go too far in the primaries to construct insurmmountable obstacles they can’t recross, or encourageing others to do so.
Almost anyone who studies the 1932 election would have to conclude that when FDR won the nomination, no one had any real sense of what he would do. Likewise, I don’t think we can completely define any of the current candidates in minute detail.
I think you need to distinguish between the Democratic leadership made up of Clinton Republican-lite holdovers and conservative types and the Democratic base which is much more progressive (if not completely so).
I had a lovely owl photo last Sunday morning. Unfortunately for you, today is Tuesday. *g*
Strangely, Hillary and Obama won’t even do that. They seem unaware that the parade has changed direction, and they’re still marching where they thought the parade was headed.
At the very least, Edwards sees where the parade is headed and has reduced his pitch to one word: “FIGHT”.
True. Another way of rephrasing my point is that, unlike in the Republican Party, the Democratic base does not determine the actions of the leadership or the Party as a whole.
I agree with those who assert that the way to change this is to get rid of non-progressive Dems by defeating them electorally and replacing them with more progressive ones.
I believe that this is why he polls so well against any of the Repubs.
Christy, I’m not about “stupid ass cases”. I’m talking about cases that actually *hurt* consumers in unintended ways. I work in the research industry and you can’t imagine (and I can’t talk about) the effect of class action lawsuits have done to the discovery of new cures. And yes, I can point to nne high profile case that bordered on extortion that cost the company involved over $30 *billion*. There is a pervasive attitude on the left that somehow this kind of pocket picking is Ok and the company is automatically guilty regardless of the facts. But the truth is, the first thing to get cut when something like this happens is research. And it gets moved overseas and the company becomes cautious to the point of killing very promising research projects and a lot of people suffer as a result.
It’s all very well to accuse corporations of malfeasance but anyone can be made to look bad with the right kind of PR and it is hard to overcome that attitude with data, especially with a relatively anti-science public.
It hurts research, guys. The corporate execs always do well but it is the little people with the cancers and MS and schizophrenia and obesity who suffer.
I have seen it.
I agree to a point, Hugh; that’s how America has voted for many years; choosing the less evil. But in my experience, presidential elections don’t count my vote. Up until this election round, I was declared undecided. I didn’t have a vote then, and I really don’t now. The chosen will be chosen before we vote here in SD. So even though my vote doesn’t count, I’ve decided I’ll vote for who I want. Even if it is a vote cast upon the wind.
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I also agree, to a point. If Dennis can’t be a good president, who can do better who actually has a spine with integrity still intact? And, pardon my ignorance, but what did he do during the 2004 DNC? Don’t get me wrong, I think Dennis walks to the beat of a different drummer; something I like but realize he has his faults. One being that he’s mighty inexperienced with running a campaign, this being his second time around and all!
I can see the problem with Dennis getting anyone in Congress to cooperate with him because I’m not seeing it thus far. I don’t know what the answer is, other than I really would have liked to see Al Gore run again, but that ain’t gonna happen! But even he has his problems.
I hope that 2008 provides some measure of accountability. A previous poster linked to Driftglass, and I have to say he’s spot on. Even the best of us have to use the f bomb a time or two!
Happy New Year to everyone!
Christy, I too like the Edwards commercial. Actually I’ve liked all of Edwards commercials. I’d also have to agree with some of the other posters that the more I see of Obama the less I like him. When he started copying Edwards stump speech while at the same time attacking him I saw just another politician who doesn’t really believe in his own message.
Last night when I checked the Des Moines Register poll I was really stunned. In the last week every indication was that Edwards was surging yet this poll showed the opposite. When I looked at the internals I was again stunned that the poll relied so heavily on 1st time caucus goers and Independents and Republicans. They also asked the question who would unite the country more which as everyone knows is a main Obama talking point. The poll really seemed like it went out of it’s way to boost Obama. It was very discouraging.
As an Edwards supporter I have always known that the entrenched interests were against him and that he’d have an uphill battle to get traction. Seeing the Register poll, the Rothenberg & Klein articles that viciously attacked Edwards yesterday has only confirmed my view. But what concerns me even more is that so many people who rail against the whimpy Dems in Congress who have given Bush everything that he wants somehow don’t see that with Obama and Clinton they will get more of the same. Our strength in the netroots has been diluted in a real divide and conquer strategy. I really hope that enough people in Iowa caucus for Edwards so that he gets a big win in Iowa. Because if he doesn’t they are going to spin this as a tie (see Nagourney’s NYT piece).
Thanks.
I too have been very concerned by this same point, but when you consider the decades and billions spent constructing the current Noize Machine, and how we now have generations that have grown up with all this false message framing in place, I’d say we’ve been wildly successful in just a few years.
However, it is crucial in this next year that we get more people getting their “news” from FDL and the like. The Netroots are getting infrustructure in place and gaining a lot of experiential knowledge along the way, so we’re still just warming up! When we get the pendulum swung so far back that Russ Feingold is considered the “centrist” that he is, then we’ll start seeing some massive institutional changes.
An Edwards win, while not perfect, would be a big step in that direction.
Would Dems ever nominate someone who uses rhetoric like that? Not likely.
So, how could it happen?
The only way I can imagine would be if Republican/Independents switched parties on caucus night in Iowa and stood for Obama. That would royally screw up the democratic process.
Would they actually stand for a Black man whose father was Muslim?
It’s quite a stretch to imagine that. They would have to have a good deal of faith that whomever remained to caucus in the Repub side would produce a candidate worth having. Then they would have to feel enough meanness to go to a Dem caucus and intentionally pick someone they despised. It’s quite a stretch.
On top of all that, if they did pick Obama and make him the Dem nominee, he might win the general election and they’d be stuck with him as president. Imagine that!
John Edwards is a better pick for everyone. He only offends the super Rich and they deserve it.
John Edwards for President — Leadership for all of America!
What if U.S. Senators actually took the time to VOTE against proto-fascistic nuthuggers’ confirmation as Attorney General rather than just say they oppose them?
Wow. We might have a justice system rather than the continuing kangaroo courts we still have.
You gotta play to win…