Joe Trippi breezed into a restaurant back room last night filled with several tables full of journalists and grabbed a chair.
"Obama is slamming Gore and Kerry," he said at a volume nobody could have missed before even taking his seat. "If he's this negative when he's on top, I'd hate to see what he does when he's behind."
Trippi was quite obviously spinning the Des Moines Register poll that had come out just shortly before he arrived, which put Barack Obama ahead of the pack and outside the margin of error with 32% of likely caucus voters to Hillary Clinton's 25% and Edwards' 24%. The poll, with its large sampling and local affiliation, commands the kind of respect that few others do and journalists in the room were already consumed with critiquing it.
But I was curious about the Gore comment, having just received an email of a blog post that said virtually the same thing only moments before:
Making an argument for his electability, Obama said, "I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats -- we've done that in 2004, 2000," according to a person at the event (rush transcript).
It came from a blog post on Newsday, and if true had very bad optics for Obama. Not only would it play poorly with people who have strong affections for Gore and Kerry and bitter memories of what happened in those elections, but it reflected that his internals were probably showing quite different than the Register poll suggested. They weren't the comments of a candidate confident in his lead.
But the sourcing was dubious. It was second-hand and unconfirmed, the kind of stuff that gets floated past journalists and bloggers alike and in the final days before the caucus something everyone should be skeptical of without confirmation.
So I went up to the table, introduced myself to Trippi as a blogger for firedoglake and the Huffington Post and asked him about his Obama comment. Where had Obama made the comment? Who heard him? Was there a video?
Trippi said that it was just something he'd heard, and that it was my job to track it down if I wanted confirmation. I told him that was what I was trying to do in asking him.
I showed him the Newsday story on my treo and asked him if that was his source, and told him that running without more confirmation was dicey. He said he really didn't care about the story that much.
I laughed and said he'd walked in the room and said at top volume for the benefit of the forty journalists sitting there and had repeated it several times, so obviously he cared about it very much. He said he knew it was true because he'd just been with a bunch of people who were talking about it and they said it was true.
I went back to my table, because that was clearly all I was going to get. But shortly thereafter, Jake Tapper confirmed the story with a direct quote and an attributed source:
In an argument about his electability, Obama compared himself favorably with Sen. Hillary Clinton who is viewed negatively by nearly half the country. Obama is viewed far more favorably by independents and Republicans.
Then he said, per ABC News' Sunlen Miller, "I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats. We've done that in 2004 and 2000. 47 percent of the country on one side, 47 percent of the country on the other . . . We don't need another one of those elections."
Trippi walked into a room full of journalists and spread a story that didn't seem to have much verification for. He got lucky, this one happened to be true, and Barack Obama trashing Al Gore will be the story. But if it hadn't, the way he had interjected it into the collective media wisdom would have meant that there wouldn't be much accountability. There was no downside.
Welcome to the Iowa spin cycle.
(h/t Digby)
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Jane!
Gosh. You’re much more polite than I would have been. I might have suggested that he either piss up a rope or try to do something that’s physiologically impossible…
Thank heavens you’re there to keep these people honest, Jane. Seriously - the hysteria that is going around this morning because of the Des Moines Register poll results is horrifying - IMHO.
I’m seriously considering only reading FDL for the next week - pre, during and post caucus.
Thanks!
I’m not going to trash any Dems. At least until after the Iowa caucas. But I will say… I do like Gore.
Trippi sounds like a real nice d*ckhead.
way to go Jane! accountability & responsibility for all
Interesting. It sounds like you are having a surreal experience in Iowa.
Hang on tight, Jane. There’s gonna ba an awful lot of spinning in the next few days. You’re excellent at slicing and dicing that crap, so thanks for being there in person to do it at point blank range. :)
Refresh my memory, someone. Who’s Trippi working for this cycle? I honestly can’t remember.
Wow… Why the hell would Obama want to tread out on to this road? Ever since our efforts to draft Al Gore into the presidential race fell short, I’ve been leaning towards another candidate while staying non-committal. About the only thing I’m committed to doing is NOT voting for Hillary in the primaries. Thank you Mr. Obama for ruling yourself out as a candidate I can support. It makes my selection decision that much easier.
Hard to believe that Obama is that far ahead in Iowa. Do Iowa Democrats really like all that centrist rhetoric? I absolutely hate it.
Gawd I’m sick of consultants.
He’s working for Edwards. He’s got great ground game connections in Iowa, but this was a risky move given someone in the room would have been willing to call bullshit. (Hi, Jane!)
From what I can see, half of the Democratic party as a whole is against itself. *slapping forehead* As we head into this election year, I’m feeling like the party is way too divided and it will end up helping the repukes in the end. I hope I’m wrong.
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Thanks for the story, but it looks like business as usual. I would like it if they ran against the R’s.
jo6pac
There’s all sorts of things about Obama that set off the alarm bells. For all of his rhetoric about having been against the invasion/occupation, I feel it can’t mean all that much to him or he would not have chosen one of the biggest advocates and proponents of the invasion and war as his Senate mentor when he first took office. Two years after the initial invasion he brags about opposing.
He’s trying to be all things to all people and will wind up being nothing to anyone.
Exactly. Go, Jane and Jeralynn, go!
Very insightful of you, Jane. Great post! Happy New Year!
I’m being positive today. I like Dodd and Edwards.
Jane!! Thanks for all your work. I don’t know why Edwards hired Trippi. Obama needs to wake the hell up. Then again none of the top three have been covering themselves in glory. Ugh!!
It’s the standard Democratic circular firing squad. I was hoping it could be avoided this time. We wind up expending all our energy savaging each other in the primaries and have no energy left to fight together against the real opponent. Sucks.
That was great work.
As an aside, this Obama/Gore story has blown up over at Daily Kos, with Kos posting a front page diary and other diarists arguing over it.
I can’t wait for primary season to be over!
Aside from the horse race, there is some very good news in the Iowa Poll.
It is that the independents are caucusing with the Democrats. As David Yepsen noted this morning: “This tells us the GOP is in real trouble.”
That Obama quote that Jane talks about really bugs me. While many people see it as a swipe at Kerry and Gore, I see it also as a swipe at Hillary(I am far from a fan).
It may be a standard Dem circular firing squad, but htis year the R’s are in an even tighter circle and firing away.
Because Trippi’s background has had him setting up a lot of ground game work in Iowa and other early primary states. And those connections are both essential and tough to build, so that experience is very useful. That’s why.
I don’t always agree with him on tactics, but you can’t argue with the fact that he has done some very good ground work for candidates in the past — if you look beyond the Dean campaign from last cycle, you’ll find lots of examples of that.
I don’t trust that DMR that much. Almost 50% of caucus goers will be non-Democrats? Last caucus Dems made up 80% of the Dem. caucus.
I’ve been seeing that more and more myself dakine. What idiot is advising Obama that he should do his best to run AWAY from the Democratic Party and its values instead of embracing them and running FOR them? My stomach acid starts bubbling when I hear a “frontrunner” try to make hay by trashing his own. WTF? When did this become the ‘accepted wisdom’ for primary campaigning? Which ‘very serious consultants’ are advising these candidates to campaign this way and why aren’t they being run out of town on a rail?
btw dakine… How’s the island weather?
Appreciate the warning to wait for the source before believing anyone, even someone or some quote one wants to believe. In this case it was true.
and so the story is … that this is the fast spin cycle in iowa, or that Obama made the statement. IMO the focus should remain on Obama’s statement. Keeping in mind (and I will remember in the future not to believe immediately) that the source is critical.
Jane,
You used logic on him? That’s cold baby! I wonder the last time anybody actually said, I AM trying to track down the source of something YOU said.
That just cracked me up.
I don’t think guys like him are used to dealing with a reality based person.
keep it up!
LHP
CHS:
Thank you. I like Edwards, I am just afraid someone like Trippi is becoming the 2nd coming of Bob Shrum. I know I am greedy but I want winners and good candidates.
Ah, twould that I were in the Islands but my name is a residual from my four years as one haole type GI in the USAF late ’70s’early ’80s.
But San Antonio is sunny and mild.
Spinnig will lead to winning? Lord these spinners (Def:not necessarily truth tellers (liars)) think we are a bunch of ignorant turnips fresh off the truck. For their info, I might be a smart turnip.
Nate -
Why, none other than his mentor JoeLie!! His playbook exactly!
Why do you think the lefty blogostan is dangerous? It’s because we haven’t forgotten about logic and being reality based.
If Trippi was so good why has my Edwards Rep in Ne Iowa unable to get my grassroots request for Edwards or Elizabeth to look up Jane and Meralyn in Des Moines, knowing that even if they win Iowa that they need a national platform to get out the progressive message?
Isn’t it possible that he knew it was true, and was just being coy about how he knew it?
AP - Republican and Democratic presidential candidates rolled out upbeat television ads and packed their schedules with multiple campaign events on the first day of 2008 — and one of the last before Iowa’s caucuses.
While I am not particularly supporting Obama I have grown suspect of most stories about comments he might or might not have actually said. And in this case, if the words are correct, most Democrats would agree with him that no one wants to see ever again a split vote as has previously occurred. I didn’t hear any trashing of other candidates in his remarks.
If Trippi disagrees with Obama’s response I suppose we should look for redemption to him, Shrum, et al - the losers to whom we owe so much.
Because it is generally what happens after the primaries are over. Fake left for the primaries, then run to the center in the general.
It is a risky primary gambit, but it leaves him able to avoid realigning in the general.
Of course you gotta win the primaries, so it is quite a needle to thread.
-G
I also believe that he and his advisers feel the need to portray him as anything but an ‘angry Black man’.
I mean this is America.
-G
I refuse to go negative on Obama’s relationship to Joe Lieberman or HRC’s hawkishness.
DING! DING! DING! I totally agree. I do not want a President who is going to “reach across the aisle”, when the other side of the aisle answers to a morally depraved reality-denying neo-Confederate batshit-insane constituency.
With Edwards we do not lose a senate seat as with HRC and Obama. I like Edwards Dodd came out hawk like after the Bhutto assasination. Edwards stood up to the corporate interests.
Got a link?
Still, of the consultants, I think I like Trippi the best. He’s the one that pointed out that in purported efforts to redeem his candidate, Hillary, Mark Penn managed to reiterate yet again the accusation of cocaine abuse or sale against Obama. So this was a case of Trippi calling bullshit.
Maybe he didn’t just get lucky with this incident; who’s to say whether he was more confident that the information was right because he trusted his sources more because they had always been more reliable to him.
HRC and Obama at least have D governor’s to appoint a replacement.
Jake Tapper has printed bogus stories before. And where did Obama mention Gore or Kerry’s name? Ah spin,… I happen to know for a fact that Obama speaks with Gore very regularly, and in fact Gore has admitted mistakes about 2000. But this fits into the Jake tapper et al narrative about Obama, and now the progressive blogosphere is using Tapper as a reliable source? Doesn’t make sense to me! Unless of course you are taylor Marsh!
Trippi tryin to stop Obama- well that’s what he’s supposed to do. Obama trying to diss Hillary- well that’s what HE’S supposed to do. Seems like situation normal for the first battle in a political campaign.
That’s our Jane!
IIRC..Trippi and Penn are associated with Simon Rosenberg and the NDN and not Bob Shrum..but political consultants are an inbred bunch so who knows.
Yep, Marion. Am I the only one who is exhausted by all the mud-slinging between the pro-Democratic Party supporters (me, I will not allow Nancy & Harry to be the Poster Children for our party) and the anti-Democratic party supporters (who think Ron Paul is better than anything Democrat and who blames Nancy & Harry for everything)? I know I am! I can’t even view 2008 as a fresh start. Like you said, “circling firing squad”, and I’m feeling dead myself like I’ve been hit between the eyeballs. LOL Can I have something to stop the bleeding, please? ;-)
In this house we aren’t going to pay much attention to the rhetoric and spinning. We will await the verdict from the people of Iowa.
Great post!
Kay, here’s a nice pot of coffee, freshly brewed. I find that’s good for just about anything.
c(_)>
Well, this will certainly be good news for Republicans!
/s
Apparently, Glenn Thrush has a history of reporting Obama smears. I also found this:
http://www.obamians.com/2007/0.....ry_30.html
and this:
http://blogs.trb.com/news/loca.....tment.html
We approached, figuring that she’s no longer a child and has voluntarily placed herself before the public. We offered a hand that was accepted reluctantly, like a discarded Whopper wrapper.
“Hello, Ms. Clinton. What do you think of the turnout?”
“I’m sorry I don’t talk to the press.” (still smiling)
“Really? But you are out campaigning–”
“I’m sorry but I have a policy of not talking to the press.” (smile slipping away)
“I’m really surprised, I thought–”
“I don’t talk to the press.” (Smile gone, staring at apple crates in corner of store)
At this point a staffer …
Glenn Thrush
politely interceded and whisked us away.
Edwards hasn’t dissed Gore–or Kerry.
Obama just did.
That should be the story.
Obama has tons more money, more consultants, his past support for Leiberman and current support for free trade–so he’s getting snarky.
Let’s root for the underdog here, the workingclass candidate–John Edwards. And let’s not diss Joe Trippi, who revolutionized politics on the internet (remember)?
*gulping it* Margot, can I have another? LOL
Well done Jane. Setting an example to all. No more anonymous sources.
Thanks Jane for being out front in the trenches taking this stuff on. Something terrible happens to judgment in a time crunch. Are you able to go to a spa there? You deserve a nice relaxing couple of hours.
Trippi has his agenda or he wouldn’t have shouted across the room for all to hear. Do I give any of this much credence? NO. After all they are all getting paid and are protecting their relevance (or they can be easily replaced). I take it with a grain of salt.
You should hear some of the backbiting commments I hear on the Nevada Primaries. Interesting how each one is trying to convince through negative suggestions or exaggerated praise. Do I listen? Yes. Do I act on it? Hell no. I continue with advocating activism. If I remember my aim I’m not jerked around every time my string is pulled.
There is something odd about the Obama campaign. They have thin skin when attacked and claim the “moral high ground” but in practice have the dirtiest campaign. Remember Clinton Punjab-D, pure racism and Donny McClurkin, pure homophobia of the worst kind. Using wingnut talking points is the last straw..SS and bi-partisanship..gag me.
Here’s one of my favorite examples of spin:
NATION CHALLENGED: DIPLOMACY; Bush Hails Musharraf, and Warns Iraq
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: February 14, 2002 NYTimes
President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, whom the United States treated as an outcast after he seized power in a coup two years ago, was welcomed to the White House by President Bush today as a “leader of great courage and vision” who would continue to receive economic and military aid for his help in the war against terrorism.
Shrum’s dessicated hand pops up from the grave with the same drama and stomach churning effect as the last scene in the film Carrie.
-G
Pervez Jefferson!
-G
I love that “It’s up to you to source my information” quote.
Yeah. It’s almost an “I didn’t do it and you can’t prove it” type of challenge there.
Huckabee is melting. Romney is spinning (telling outright lies) and Rudy is on the beach in Florida. Lord I love it.
i don’t even like obama - but that quote doesn’t sound like a slam against gore to me.
more like obama thinks he’s the only D who is acceptable to Rs - and even if that were true, and i don’t know that it is outside of DC, why obama thinks that is a good thing is beyond me. stupid yes, but anti-gore? i don’t think so. joe trippi would do better letting obama’s words speak for themselves instead of bs spinning, imo.
Me too. I don’t want much. Just a teeny weeny recognition for my existence in my savings account. I could use it. Maybe just a small percentage of Musharraf’s checkbook reconciliation.
That’s an especially dumb quote by Obama since Gore won the election.
I do love Trippi’s response — “go confirm the story I just told; that’s your job” — for what it says about the TradMed he deals with daily. They would have happily tripped away, looking for the story’s source. Jane, ever the logician, points out to him that confirming the story is exactly what she’s trying to do by asking Joe.
And so Joe says he doesn’t care about the story! Clearly, TradMed would find that plausible, and treat the story with even greater interest, since Trippi tried to throw them off the scent.
I’ve learned a lot about the folks Trippi deals with in TradMed from this story — as much or more than I’ve learned about Trippi himself, or Obama for that matter. TradMed is populated by simple folks, easily manipulated, with a veneer of sophistication that requires stroking. First Hucklefuck’s “silly” presser, now this. Buncha morons.
It must be amazing to see it happen, Jane. Thanks for sharing the stories with us!
I took a look at the link to the Kos diary on this from the previous thread, and saw first hand why I usually don’t go there anymore.
I think off hand remarks like this can come back to bite Obama. If he is depending on Republicans and Independents then dissing Democrats of the 90’s may look good. But when he comes up against the Republican machine he will need help. So he should be careful with off hand remarks. Sometimes the main source of danger for all candidates comes from their own supporters who think making extreme statements of support is the norm. Be careful: the Republicans nutsters are watching and taking notes. It is going to be dirty in 2008.
It doesn’t seem that stating the obvious should be characterized as “…slamming Gore and Kerry.” At the beginning of both the 2000 and 2004 election cycles Republicans had so successfully demonized liberal Democrats that generic polling showed less than 50% support for Democratic ideas and candidates. I’m glad that one of our candidates in 2008 recognizes that allowing yourself and your ideology to be marginalized is not a winning strategy. Trippi should certainly remember where Bush and Dean (or any Dem) stood respectively in the polls at the beginning of that race. I am an Obama supporter because I believe he is the only candidate who will reduce the influence of money in politics, and he has lived by the same principles for a long time. Let’s not hyperventilate when someone states a fact.
An incredibly backhanded appeal to Democratic activists, caucus-goers, and primary voters.
Wasn’t Joe Trippi Howard Dean’s guy at one time?
Do you suppose Joe Trippi is getting caught up in the high anxiety of the countdown? He was lucky to have Jane there to help him stay level. Iowa kind of sounds like a madhouse. Wow!
I’ve never visited DailyKos. Are you implying that discussion is not very civil there, or something else?
we are divided. it’s the elites against the base. and i’m not backing down.
Civility is an issue. That and Markos seems to give the impression that the sun shines out his butt.
Frankly, much of this sounds like music to Carl Rove’s ears.
Anybody else watching CNN? All candidate coverage.
I would suggest that Edwards does his small group conversation in a Super Cuts.
and
Obama yells too much for my liking.
are the next few days going to be all about making mountains out of molehills so we can ignore the real mountains? i pity jane and jeralyn.
I hope they haven’t started rolling around in the snow fighting each other. The way things are going.
If Tapper is unreliable, can anyone provide a second source for Miller so at least here we can sustain Jane’s effort for reliable sourcing? I am off to Kos but am almost afraid that there is a maelstrom waiting for me there.
A friend of mine worked with Trippi on Mondale’s campaign and he is a d*&khead but, as my friend says “I’d want him on my side any day.” That having been said, I would hate to have Trippi shoot off his mouth and hurt Edwards.
Better have a metal suit and hat before you go there it is in turmoil.
Kos is a world, a universe. Please do not judge it based on primary season discussion. Where candidate diaries are concerned, things can and have gotten very nasty. Kos did a diary on organized troll rating of diaries of opposing candidates and plans to implement a protective filtering in the future.
If one were to go over to DailyKos to see what all the hullabaloo is about, what particular thread would be most entertaining?
Thanks, I’ll hold off then. I am with Selise. We can do better than circular shooting squads.
As for visiting DailyKos today, I have made more comments today than in the last 3 months. But most of the comments seem at least respectful, in a “how can you say such a thing” kind of way.
But my impression of Obama has been a long time coming, and this lastest statement fits into the narrative that he, himself, has been establishing. Especially his ‘let’s all get along’ theory, while I am ready to take to the streets with a pitchfork. [dear fed monitors, no I am not heading out the door as we speak]
I don’t see what the big deal is about what seems to me to be a fairly innocuous statement.
Have we played Headline match-ups…like,
Edwards vs. Romney = Battle of the GQ’s
Kucinich vs. Paul = Battle of the Geeks
Any more?
Oh, look, a new thread. Oh, well. Woulda been fun.
Oh you’ll know when you get there. They are on the front page and they are definately Obama slams. Some have over 1000 comments.
From experience, I can tell you this is very healthy. Other people are often surprised when I tell them I’ve almost completely eliminated Conglomerate Media from my life. FDL has become first and foremost and I feel more informed and empowered than ever! Try to get others to do the same.
BTW, Jake Tapper is not only often inaccurate, he’s an operative. Don’t have time to find the links, but there have been stories in the blogosphere in the past that have traced his deceptions.
I have been trying to find a link where it is know that Jake Tapper is friends with Wolfson, I can’t find the darn thing!
oh, i’m fine with shooting out own… but only over the big stuff - this doesn’t come close to qualifying, imo. ;-)
Forgive me for NOT yet reading any of the posts, but who the FUCK gives a shit what Joe Trippi thinks? Christ
Jake Tapper, Jake Tapper…..sounds - familiar….kinda like my ex-husband’s name when I hear it. Mike? Mike….oh, yeah - that summabith
Is “Christ” the answer to your question?
I’m kidding. I just read it that way.
Isn’t Jake Tapper a National Review retread?
-G
Not my big deal. I was asking how big deal was over at Daily Kos before going there. and one comment led to another. All of them pertinent in one way or another, including yours.
For reasons unrelated to the comments, I have got to leave you all.
Wow! That is quite a Web site. I can’t imagine having the energy to engage intensely in such fiery non-linear political discussions.
FDL’s tea-party atmosphere and flat comment threading is much more to my liking.
I think Tapper is one of the Conglomerate boyz I’ve seen that started using “Democrat” Party. This is very insideous and damaging, and there is a coordinated effort by the Noize Machine to make this stick for good in the public discourse. All the Repub candidates are using it now as well. I KNOW Scott Pelley of 60 Minutes has (still does?) use this as well. Watch out for these guys.
If you go to MediaMatters.org, all kinds of stuff comes up about Jake. Sleazeball…stay away.
Well, time for my crumpets. Ta-ta!
Cheer-io!
Yeah, I laughed when I saw what I’d written. No, I was going to start mutterin’ & cussin’- I could feel it coming on.
Yeah, Trippi was Dean’s guy - according to Walter Shapiro’s book about the early primaries in ‘04, though, he was also the guy who advised Dean that being against the war was a bad idea.
As much as I’m enjoying the Republican crackup, I’m not enjoying our own primary very much - I’ve spent far too much time lately deploring the way people I don’t particularly like are being treated, both by the press and by opposing campaigns.
We’re supposed to be, if not better, at least smarter than this.
I’m glad you were there, Jane!
John Edwards is the candidate who is trying to reduce the influence of money in elections. Edwards, not Obama, has been the one to speak out against undue corporate influence on the Congress and the white house.