Comments on: Late Late Nite – Remembering Nikki’s BBQ & The Boogaloo http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:07:32 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173271 wigwam Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:00:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173271 <p>Thanks. I gave up trying to figure out the MCA about a month after it was passed; nobody seemed so all that interested in discussing it. Here are two diaries that I posted at DailyKos analyzing the MCA:</p> <p>- <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/30/18329/8877/263/251955" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....263/251955</a></p> <p>- <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/1/41059/2429/140/252094" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....140/252094</a></p> <p>In retrospect, I should have followed Marcy’s discussions more closely.</p> Thanks. I gave up trying to figure out the MCA about a month after it was passed; nobody seemed so all that interested in discussing it. Here are two diaries that I posted at DailyKos analyzing the MCA:

- http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..263/251955

- http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..140/252094

In retrospect, I should have followed Marcy’s discussions more closely.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173270 PetePierce Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:44:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173270 <p>Sorry I meant the Solicitor General–SG–not SJ. </p> <p><strong><a href="http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2007/2007_06_1195/" rel="nofollow">Waxman v. Clement in <em>Boumediene v. Bush</em></a></strong></p> <p>I mispell a lot here, substitute hononyms ridiculously often, and it’s not that I don’t know how to spell the words, but I often hit this site in the wee hours of the morning if I get a chance.</p> Sorry I meant the Solicitor General–SG–not SJ.

Waxman v. Clement in Boumediene v. Bush

I mispell a lot here, substitute hononyms ridiculously often, and it’s not that I don’t know how to spell the words, but I often hit this site in the wee hours of the morning if I get a chance.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173269 PetePierce Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:36:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173269 <p>I appreciate your links very much, and I’ll take a look at them tomorrow. I’ve been collecting a few analyses of the MCA and the Supreme Court argument on December 5 whcih pitted the SJ in the Clinton admin against the current SJ at oral argument and on briefs. As you know, a good bit of dissecting of the MCA and this case has been ongoing at Empty Wheel, with some great comments and you may have been there. It was bad enough when there were only newspapers to keep up with. Now the blogs are much better, but there arte so many that are worthwhile, and I have a computer hobby that has it’s own set of thousands of extensive blogs.</p> I appreciate your links very much, and I’ll take a look at them tomorrow. I’ve been collecting a few analyses of the MCA and the Supreme Court argument on December 5 whcih pitted the SJ in the Clinton admin against the current SJ at oral argument and on briefs. As you know, a good bit of dissecting of the MCA and this case has been ongoing at Empty Wheel, with some great comments and you may have been there. It was bad enough when there were only newspapers to keep up with. Now the blogs are much better, but there arte so many that are worthwhile, and I have a computer hobby that has it’s own set of thousands of extensive blogs.

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173268 wigwam Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:20:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173268 <p><a href="http://consortiumnews.com/2006/101906.html" rel="nofollow">Here </a>is Robert Parry’s very insightful analysis of the MCA showing that U.S. citizens are every bit as vulnerable as foreigners to Bush’s kangaroo courts.</p> Here is Robert Parry’s very insightful analysis of the MCA showing that U.S. citizens are every bit as vulnerable as foreigners to Bush’s kangaroo courts.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173267 PetePierce Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173267 <p>Yes indeedy. And in the coming months you are going to see long law review articles on the nature of Kennedy’s swing vote, how it has replaced O’Conners, and tons of material on the MCA and this very important case that will probably be remanded to churn into infinity. Gitmo is a horrendous place to be incarcerated, particularly when you are innocent. </p> <p>Local lawyers have written extensively on trying to get access to their clients and to represent them, and these include some of the best and brightest in “ordinary situations.”</p> Yes indeedy. And in the coming months you are going to see long law review articles on the nature of Kennedy’s swing vote, how it has replaced O’Conners, and tons of material on the MCA and this very important case that will probably be remanded to churn into infinity. Gitmo is a horrendous place to be incarcerated, particularly when you are innocent.

Local lawyers have written extensively on trying to get access to their clients and to represent them, and these include some of the best and brightest in “ordinary situations.”

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173266 wigwam Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:10:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173266 <p>The key vote will be Kennedy, who is a bit flakey but wrote an excellent opinion in Hamdan.</p> The key vote will be Kennedy, who is a bit flakey but wrote an excellent opinion in Hamdan.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173265 PetePierce Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:10:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173265 <p><em>Yes. You’re absolutely right</em>, given the nebulous, ridiculous way the MCA has been written. That’s a huge issue, and when I replayed Senate Judiciary’s bullshit I had DVR’d I came as close as I ever have to throwing a heavy bookend through my TV.</p> Yes. You’re absolutely right, given the nebulous, ridiculous way the MCA has been written. That’s a huge issue, and when I replayed Senate Judiciary’s bullshit I had DVR’d I came as close as I ever have to throwing a heavy bookend through my TV.

]]> By: PetePierce http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173264 PetePierce Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:07:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173264 <p>I meant to add that the idiots like Yoo say to trust the military which has a complete circus going on at Gitmo as to law and investigations and access by lawyers, and Chereminsky has made the point repeatedly that instead of trusting the military, we should trust the Constitution, a document that used to be around prior to Bush, Cheney, Addington and Gillespie, which is very distrustful of the Executive Branch.</p> <p>We have a superlative example of why going on in the West Wing unchecked by Congress in the least, every day. Things will get much worse in 2008 and the appellate Courts, particularly the D.C. Circuit, full of Bush chumps, have shown themselves willing patsies in this equation.</p> <p>Whatever the Supremes decide, this issue is going to churn back at the district court level for years, and the detainees and their constitutional law scholar attorneys will continue not to know why the hell they are detained for years tragically.</p> I meant to add that the idiots like Yoo say to trust the military which has a complete circus going on at Gitmo as to law and investigations and access by lawyers, and Chereminsky has made the point repeatedly that instead of trusting the military, we should trust the Constitution, a document that used to be around prior to Bush, Cheney, Addington and Gillespie, which is very distrustful of the Executive Branch.

We have a superlative example of why going on in the West Wing unchecked by Congress in the least, every day. Things will get much worse in 2008 and the appellate Courts, particularly the D.C. Circuit, full of Bush chumps, have shown themselves willing patsies in this equation.

Whatever the Supremes decide, this issue is going to churn back at the district court level for years, and the detainees and their constitutional law scholar attorneys will continue not to know why the hell they are detained for years tragically.

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173263 wigwam Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:07:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173263 <p>Worse yet, the MCA gives them the power to do the same to U.S. citizens. I forget the details, but I think they are all <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/index.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> as #1 of Project Censored’s <em>Top-25 Censored Stories for 2008</em>.</p> Worse yet, the MCA gives them the power to do the same to U.S. citizens. I forget the details, but I think they are all here as #1 of Project Censored’s Top-25 Censored Stories for 2008.

]]> By: TexBetsy http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173262 TexBetsy Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:03:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/30/late-late-nite-remembering-nikkis-bbq-the-boogaloo/#comment-1173262 <p><a href="http://texbetsy.headonradionetwork.com/2007/12/30/trial-by-biblical-jury/" rel="nofollow">Trial by Biblical Jury</a><br /> <strong><br /> Condemned killer says jury consulted Bible</strong></p> <p>from Star-Telegram</p> <p>By MICHAEL GRACZYK</p> <p>Nearly a decade after an East Texas man was gunned down during a burglary of his home, the death sentence of the Waco man convicted of the slaying remains under scrutiny because jurors at his trial had Bibles with them when they decided he should be executed.</p> <p>Khristian Oliver, now 30, was condemned by a Nacogdoches County jury in 1999, a year after authorities said he and three companions were involved in the break-in of the home of 64-year-old Joe Collins, who was shot and beaten.</p> <p>Oliver’s three accomplices received prison terms ranging from five to 99 years. He got the death penalty and in his appeals lawyers are contending jurors improperly consulted Scripture that called for death as punishment for murder.</p> <p>The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last month upheld Oliver’s conviction and denied his request for a federal evidentiary hearing on the Bible-related claims, but agreed to consider written arguments on the matter and then hold oral arguments.</p> <p>“This is headed toward a showdown on a very fundamental question on the use of the Bible,” Winston Cochran, Oliver’s lawyer, said.</p> Trial by Biblical Jury

Condemned killer says jury consulted Bible

from Star-Telegram

By MICHAEL GRACZYK

Nearly a decade after an East Texas man was gunned down during a burglary of his home, the death sentence of the Waco man convicted of the slaying remains under scrutiny because jurors at his trial had Bibles with them when they decided he should be executed.

Khristian Oliver, now 30, was condemned by a Nacogdoches County jury in 1999, a year after authorities said he and three companions were involved in the break-in of the home of 64-year-old Joe Collins, who was shot and beaten.

Oliver’s three accomplices received prison terms ranging from five to 99 years. He got the death penalty and in his appeals lawyers are contending jurors improperly consulted Scripture that called for death as punishment for murder.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last month upheld Oliver’s conviction and denied his request for a federal evidentiary hearing on the Bible-related claims, but agreed to consider written arguments on the matter and then hold oral arguments.

“This is headed toward a showdown on a very fundamental question on the use of the Bible,” Winston Cochran, Oliver’s lawyer, said.

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