Comments on: Did Bush Risk Bhutto To Save Musharraf? http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:13:10 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169538 MarkH Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:53:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169538 <blockquote><p>US authorities sought General Mahmoud Ahmad’s removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 was wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan</p></blockquote> <p>One must wonder why this man hasn’t been brought in for questioning with regard to Al Qaeda and Atta and 9/11.</p>

US authorities sought General Mahmoud Ahmad’s removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 was wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan

One must wonder why this man hasn’t been brought in for questioning with regard to Al Qaeda and Atta and 9/11.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169527 MarkH Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:47:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169527 <blockquote><p>i don’t get why bhutto is seen as having such pure motives.</p></blockquote> <p>It’s not that she was “pure”, it’s that she clearly supported participatory Democracy and was willing to sacrifice a life of comfort for that.</p> <p>That’s showing the Pakistani people the importance of Democracy and that she valued her home, Pakistan, most highly. She wanted to use Democracy to improve her country and it’s people. That’s leadership.</p> <p>Don’t demand perfection when you can have the good.</p> <p>Nobody and no plan is perfect, so we’ve got to find some good and go with that. Bhutto probably realized a thousand times more than any American ever could the terrible imperfections of her country, yet she went home to fight for the good. I hope her countrymen realize her message and that, with this last ’speech’, she has won over some of them to that message.</p>

i don’t get why bhutto is seen as having such pure motives.

It’s not that she was “pure”, it’s that she clearly supported participatory Democracy and was willing to sacrifice a life of comfort for that.

That’s showing the Pakistani people the importance of Democracy and that she valued her home, Pakistan, most highly. She wanted to use Democracy to improve her country and it’s people. That’s leadership.

Don’t demand perfection when you can have the good.

Nobody and no plan is perfect, so we’ve got to find some good and go with that. Bhutto probably realized a thousand times more than any American ever could the terrible imperfections of her country, yet she went home to fight for the good. I hope her countrymen realize her message and that, with this last ’speech’, she has won over some of them to that message.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169493 MarkH Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:33:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169493 <blockquote><p> I’m wondering why we’ve heard nothing yet from Condi… and so little from Bush<br /> Will we hear from Cheney?</p></blockquote> <p>After this, what could any of them possibly have to say that’s important, except “We’re sorry. We messed up. President Bush is resigning, so a new leader can begin the work of cleaning up our messes.”</p>

I’m wondering why we’ve heard nothing yet from Condi… and so little from Bush
Will we hear from Cheney?

After this, what could any of them possibly have to say that’s important, except “We’re sorry. We messed up. President Bush is resigning, so a new leader can begin the work of cleaning up our messes.”

]]> By: Patrickson http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169157 Patrickson Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169157 <p>To add: I don’t think she would’ve succeeded, it’s just that sadly she was the best chance, as anemic as that might have been.</p> To add: I don’t think she would’ve succeeded, it’s just that sadly she was the best chance, as anemic as that might have been.

]]> By: Patrickson http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169153 Patrickson Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:49:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169153 <p>I read that article and I agree, but I think most of the “fawning” is really about what a tremendous loss this is. No Pakistani politician is a saint–far from it, actually–but she represented the best hope for the country. To me, that’s the most relevant point.</p> I read that article and I agree, but I think most of the “fawning” is really about what a tremendous loss this is. No Pakistani politician is a saint–far from it, actually–but she represented the best hope for the country. To me, that’s the most relevant point.

]]> By: Patrickson http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169148 Patrickson Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:45:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169148 <p>Bhutto may have initially supported a partnership with Musharraf, if only to return to some semblance of power, but she quickly and sharply criticized him, especially after declaring martial law. Musharraf, in turn, became overtly hostile towards her. Besides, everyone knows that Musharraf has always planned to rig the elections. What presented true danger to him was that Bhutto represented was the intense desire of Pakistanis for freedom (I am not saying this brave woman was the epitome of liberty and justice, but that people’s support of her was, in fact, support for democracy).</p> Bhutto may have initially supported a partnership with Musharraf, if only to return to some semblance of power, but she quickly and sharply criticized him, especially after declaring martial law. Musharraf, in turn, became overtly hostile towards her. Besides, everyone knows that Musharraf has always planned to rig the elections. What presented true danger to him was that Bhutto represented was the intense desire of Pakistanis for freedom (I am not saying this brave woman was the epitome of liberty and justice, but that people’s support of her was, in fact, support for democracy).

]]> By: sona http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169065 sona Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:00:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169065 <p>I think the world is safer when Condi is speechless and certainly emits less greenhouse pollutants while she stays put in the USA where she belongs.</p> I think the world is safer when Condi is speechless and certainly emits less greenhouse pollutants while she stays put in the USA where she belongs.

]]> By: JimTheCynic http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169057 JimTheCynic Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:51:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169057 <p>Wow. Where to start.<br /> I grieve for the untimely death of anyone.<br /> Was this death planned for by The Big Dick?<br /> Did Little Georgie make a deal with Musharraf?<br /> Or, is the MSM reporting that US Foreign Policy in a shambles because “no one could have predicted” that Bhutto might be assassinated in the crazy country known as Pakistan? </p> <p>btw… Where is Condi???<br /> Shouldn’t our Secretary of State have something to say about what’s happened?</p> Wow. Where to start.
I grieve for the untimely death of anyone.
Was this death planned for by The Big Dick?
Did Little Georgie make a deal with Musharraf?
Or, is the MSM reporting that US Foreign Policy in a shambles because “no one could have predicted” that Bhutto might be assassinated in the crazy country known as Pakistan?

btw… Where is Condi???
Shouldn’t our Secretary of State have something to say about what’s happened?

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169000 selise Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:10:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1169000 <p>here’s <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2007/12/hbc-90002038" rel="nofollow">ken silverstein at harpers</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>“I’m all in favor of Benazir Bhutto’s return to Pakistan, but the fawning over the former Prime Minister by American political leaders and the media is way out of control,” I wrote back in October. “If she manages to stay alive, Bhutto’s return might well push her county back towards democracy. But she’s not a saint.”</p></blockquote> <p>recommend the rest…</p> here’s ken silverstein at harpers:

“I’m all in favor of Benazir Bhutto’s return to Pakistan, but the fawning over the former Prime Minister by American political leaders and the media is way out of control,” I wrote back in October. “If she manages to stay alive, Bhutto’s return might well push her county back towards democracy. But she’s not a saint.”

recommend the rest…

]]> By: klynn http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1168960 klynn Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:53:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/14487/#comment-1168960 <p>It amazed me that in the knowledge of this potential tragic event (both Bhutto and the US knew of her constant death threats) Bhutto’s return was not delayed by the US until she had mapped out a list of at least three potential leaders to fill her political role, should she be assassinated. Of course they would be targets as well…</p> <p>The list is long in terms of “who” would benefit from her death and the harpoon of US policy…Yet that list is in many ways moot… </p> <p>There are a few non-governmental organizations that would be more than willing to help Pakistan continue to map out their elections in light of this terrible loss. There is room to move forward; however, it is ever so slight.</p> It amazed me that in the knowledge of this potential tragic event (both Bhutto and the US knew of her constant death threats) Bhutto’s return was not delayed by the US until she had mapped out a list of at least three potential leaders to fill her political role, should she be assassinated. Of course they would be targets as well…

The list is long in terms of “who” would benefit from her death and the harpoon of US policy…Yet that list is in many ways moot…

There are a few non-governmental organizations that would be more than willing to help Pakistan continue to map out their elections in light of this terrible loss. There is room to move forward; however, it is ever so slight.

]]>