A lot of people have found the traditional holidays in recent years increasingly uncomfortable events, especially as the Culture Wars have heated up. The corrosive politics of eliminationism practiced by the right has turned more than a few holiday gatherings into occasions for political brawls and rancorous familial splits.
I’ve been fortunate in that regard; both my parents, though former Goldwater Republicans, have become dyed-in-the-wool Democrats in recent years, mainly because they have seen firsthand how badly conservative rule screws things up. But many of their relatives and longtime friends and neighbors, of course, are not. Dad stays in touch with many of them via e-mail, which means that he gets a lot of right-wing crap. And like a lot of people, he takes much of it at face value without really thinking about it.
Which means that I had a conversation with my Dad this Christmas similar to ones I bet a lot of other people had at home for the holidays with their parents and relatives. You know: the one about Barack Obama being a Muslim who refuses to salute the flag.
It went something like this:
Dad: "Who do you support among the Democratic candidates?"
Me: "Not sure yet. I like Dodd a lot, and I’m warming to Edwards."
"What about Obama?"
"I’d gladly vote for him in the general. I’m not sure he’s the right guy at this time."
"Well, I sure as hell won’t."
"Why not?"
"I’m not sure he’s who he says he is about his religion. And he won’t salute the flag."
[... A brief stunned silence.]
"Well, I don’t know about him saluting the flag. But I know for a fact that the nonsense about him secretly being Muslim is pure horseshit. It’s been completely debunked."
"Well, I have some e-mails that show him standing there, not saluting while everyone else on the stage is saying the Pledge of Allegiance."
"Dad. Think about it. How many times have those mass-forwarded e-mails proven to be complete bullshit?"
He agrees. I promise him I’ll look into the salute thing and find out what the story is.
Sure enough, it was pretty easy to find the source of the rumors: an e-mail forward that included the photo you see at the top of the post. Note, however, that it doesn’t specify what activity was taking place — the assumption is that they’re saying the Pledge. But they’re not.
As Obama explained:
"This was not during the pledge of allegiance," Obama said of the picture taken at Senator Tom Harkin’s, D-Iowa, annual steak fry and first published by Time. "A woman was singing the Star Spangled Banner when that picture was taken.
… "I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!" Obama said.
… Obama called the circulation of such pictures a "dirty trick" and mentioned other emails accusing him of being "a Muslim plant."
"I have been pledging allegiance since I was a kid," Obama said.
Obama advised his supporters who receive such emails to ignore them.
"Just tell whoever sent it," Obama told the crowd, "they’re misinformed."
You’ll note, of course, that this was debunked back in early November — and we’re still hearing about it over our Christmas breakfasts. So Obama’s advice, sound as it was, clearly isn’t stopping this crap from spreading.
That’s the evil genius of the e-mail forward: Its originators don’t have to give a shit about its being debunked (and you’ll note that in this case, the "debunking" sites like Snopes haven’t updated to include Obama’s very reasonable explanation, which means that a lot of people still believe it’s true he won’t salute the flag; after all, the Snopes site currently says the report is "true," even though it also has a shot of him saluting the flag).
But the smear merchants who use e-mail forwards don’t have to be accountable to anyone since they are, ultimately, quite anonymous. They can spread just about any lie they like as long as they can make it seem plausible enough. And once it starts spreading, it just takes on a life of its own.
Christopher Hayes at The Nation explored the phenomenon of the e-mail forward a couple of months ago. It was an important piece, really, because it shed fresh light on one of the more unremarked, and yet more effective, components of the right-wing propaganda machine:
Such is the power of the right-wing smear forward, a vehicle for the dissemination of character assassination that has escaped the scrutiny directed at the Limbaughs and Coulters and O’Reillys but one that is as potent as it is invisible. In 2004 putative firsthand accounts of Kerry’s performance in Vietnam traveled through e-mail in right-wing circles, presaging the Swift Boat attacks. Last winter a forward began circulating accusing Barack Obama of being a secret Muslim schooled in a radical madrassa (about which more later). While the story was later fed through familiar right-wing megaphones, even making it onto Fox, it has continued to circulate via e-mail long after being definitively debunked by CNN. In other words, the few weeks the smear spent in the glare of the mainstream media was just a tiny portion of a long life cycle, most of which has been spent darting from inbox to inbox.
In that respect, the e-mail forward doesn’t fit into our existing model of the right-wing noise machine’s structure (hierarchical) or its approach (broadcast). It is, instead, organic and peer-to-peer. If the manufactured outrage over Kerry’s botched joke about George Bush’s study habits was the equivalent of a Hollywood blockbuster, the Gold Star Mother smear was like one of those goofy viral videos of a dog on a skateboard on YouTube. Of course, some of those videos end up with 25 million page views. And now that large media companies understand their potential, they’ve begun trying to create their own. Which prompts the obvious question: if a handful of millionaires and disgruntled Swift Boat Veterans were able to sabotage Kerry’s campaign in 2004, what kind of havoc could be wreaked in 2008 by a few political operatives armed with little more than Outlook and a talent for gossip?
The smear forward has its roots in two distinct forms of Internet-age communication. First, there’s the electronically disseminated urban legend ("Help find this missing child!"; "Bill Gates is going to pay people for every e-mail they send!"), which has been a staple of the Internet since the mid- ’90s. Then there’s the surreal genre of right-wing e-mail forwards. These range from creepy rage-filled quasi-fascist invocations ("The next time you see an adult talking…during the playing of the National Anthem–kick their ass") to treacly aphorisms of patriotic/religious uplift ("remember only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ…and the American Soldier").
Obama, as the piece explains in considerable detail, has been a special victim of the e-mail smear campaign, particularly in seeing the spread of the story that he attended a madrassa. Hayes explores the origins of that smear in some enlightening detail, and then observes:
Despite the fact that CNN and others have thoroughly debunked the smear, the original false accusation has clearly sunk into people’s consciousness. One Obama organizer told me recently that every day, while calling prospective voters, he gets at least one or two people who tell him they won’t be voting for Obama because he’s a Muslim. According to Google, "Barack Obama Muslim" is the third most-searched term for the Illinois senator. And an August CBS poll found that when voters were asked to give Obama’s religion, as many said Muslim as correctly answered Protestant.
Oh yeah. And the e-mail continues to circulate.
What’s even more remarkable, in my mind, is how the mainstream media have responded to this phenomenon. Rather than inquiring into how and why these false rumors continue to spread and to be believed, it appears that editors and reporters both are content to merely report on their continuing existence as though it were a fact of political life.
Certainly, that was the case when the Washington Post took up the subject, instead giving its readers just another round of rumor-mongering. Heaven forfend a reporter display any curiosity about why these rumors might be persisting. The fallout, of course, just led to another round of ass-covering, mostly by blaming bloggers for noticing their malfeasance.
There’s a reason to ask these questions, of course: These smears have real-life consequences. The flow of disinformation is inimical to a functioning democracy, which depends on a well-informed citizenry. Any reporter looking into why these rumors persist will encounter the world of the e-mail forward — a phenomenon that is long overdue for a proper media spotlight, especially in helping the reading public understand that these e-mails are almost always unadulterated horseshit.
And then there are the ramifications for Americans on the personal level. One of the truly evil aspects of the genius of the e-mail forward is its uniquely polarizing effect. Not only does the spread of false information create arguments and animosities over our holiday breakfasts, but in many of our other relationships, especially the many people — old friends and colleagues, relatives and acquaintances — with whom we share our e-mail addresses.
Because we all have received these e-mails. I know how I first responded to this crap: Not nicely. And I’m not apologizing for that, though I’ve learned since then that sometimes (especially with those close to us) it’s important to talk about it in a way that persuades rather than berates, though I’m probably justified using the latter.
But wherever these e-mails land, inevitably they create ill will and ruptured friendships. People get polarized and stop talking.
And I suspect that’s exactly what their authors intend, even more than just the spread of lies.
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Hi David
Yep, I’m here tonight. Sorry about missing being in the thread last week. I was on the road to Idaho. Went to the high backcountry where there is no connectivity, not even cell phones.
Hi, Dave! I hope your trip was good!
Whenever I get a mass email, I Snopes it straight off. I don’t trust the mass mind at all: too primed for rumor mongering. GOOD POST!
As long as the Rs own the media what do you expect. Like Plato’s “Allegory of the cave” we watch images cast on the walls of our caves via the latest techie TV equipment. We live in a reactive don’t think society where we were schooled to follow the rules.
Unfortunately, as I point out here, Snopes really fell down on the job on this one. Their site still lists this e-mail as “true.”
The only war George W. Bush ever fought in: The culture wars.
In 2006 I found that my 80 yr old good union background parents were watching Lou Dobbs and had bought into all the immigration hate. Nearly into a screaming match with “no person is illegal” just their actions types of arguments.
But during my stay insisted on watching Keith Oberman…. which to my surprise found them watching every night this year. No more Dobbs and oh do they love KO.
I do get those emails with the urban legends but now Dad forwards them to me first and I either debunk or what ever facts are related. Yes snopes, Truthorlies and other sites are a life saver.
A nurse friend used to send me all kinds of wingnutty email. I would just send it back with the Snopes debunking attached and now, she doesn’t send me stuff anymore.
I wonder why!
just today someone on one of the threads brought up the “Jan 1 Telemarketers will be able to call cell phones and call XXX to get it on the do not call list”….. gee that one was an old one….. first reported in 2004… another urban myth
It seems that urban myths never die but finding the truth …. not so easy
Maybe this post should be email forwarded!! Great post!
I never get any of these e-mails.
Oops. The hassles of scolling: I missed that part. Sorry to hear that Snopes dropped the ball on this one. Of course, an even bigger and better question is: just why would it matter if he–or any other candidate WEREN’T
wrapped in a flag and carrying a biblestanding with hand over heart?I have relatives who swear that the “Obama doesn’t pledge” photo is gospel.
Just as sure as Jay-EE-zuzz walked on water and fed the multitudes.
It gets worse; they have never missed voting in an election.
Another piece to this puzzle is the persistence of false ideas after they have been debunked. Psychologists have noted that the repetition of an idea, whether true or false will tend to reinforce that idea. Thus no matter how many times you correct people, as long as the idea is being presented to them ,will tend to believe it.
Yes, and that’s Obama’s adroit response on the flag-lapel-pin business as well.
My father was the same as yours and if he was still alive he would be voting for Edwards today. Even as a R he was always helping people and he didn’t have a lot himself. That’s were I learned that random acts of kindness every was awhile can make the difference in someones life.
jo6pac
lahoma is all dolled up and we are going to a party (teachers). Gawd she’s beautiful. That long straight black hair and those brown eyes and that little frame of her’s. After all these years she captivates me. Plus she’s smarter than i am. Life is good. Goodnight.
U lucky.
Yes. I was extremely lucky. I e-mailed this stuff to my dad and he said he was glad to get the full story. I sent him Hayes’ piece and told him not to worry — he wasn’t alone.
But I know all too well that most of the time, the senders just obstinately refuse to admit that they’ve been gulled by bullshit. And that’s when you really see the divisiveness work.
Adroit for the non-batshit-insane. Unfortunately, there is a substantial segment of the US population for whom the distinction between symbol and reality simply does not exist. For them, Obama’s response was the furthest thing from adroit: it was not even comprehensible.
I sincerely do not hope that you fail to have a non-disappointing time at the party.
There is a substantial portion of the U.S. population who has no clue who the candidates are on either side–that’s one problem.
There is a substantial component that are swayed by what the handlers (like Shrummy got paid $5.5 million split 3 ways and now they are finally putting caps on their take) get paid insane amounts to do. That’s perhaps a bigger problem.
anyone reads this bush selling missle to saudi http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..77bIcDW7oF
Just wondering, goodnite all even know who the heck can sleep well now
On the money Prof People tend to take sides. So where the information comes from is more important than the content. Or who says is more imortant than what they said. My side is right so I find a way to defend what they say. Faith based arguments are like that.
well well well – folks turning on the “black” candidate now huh? why am i not surprised…………..
Barack Obama himself is on CNN right now with Wolf Blitzer
ruh, roh, a little problem here?
Or, did everyone go to the party with Kiddo and Lahoma?
It certainly has become quiet.
MAYBE WE SHOULD START SHOUTING?
That must be some party! I’m sitting at the kitchen table while my father-in-law cooks linguini with clam sauce.
Hey, Dave – when are you coming to Alaska? You’ve got friends here!
The unions up here seem to be going over toward Obama, with Obama training sessions at IBEW, for instance, and other activities. They could certainly do worse. The racism directed toward him, whether blatant a la Republican, or subtle a la Democrat, gets me to defend him more than I’d like. But he sure as hell has a better chance of winning than Edwards or Dodd at this point.
I always take my hat off and cover my heart for The Star-Spangled Banner, unless I’m conducting it or playing in it. Always. But I knew kids whose dads taught them otherwise – it isn’t a “presentation of the colors,” so to say.
Acrually, I did make a trip to Alaska — Juneau — earlier this year to talk to a class that was reading my book Strawberry Days. The kind folks at UA-SE paid for the trip. I was talking to a class taught by d from LG&M.
I’d like to make it up more, but all my book tours to date have been self-sponsored and thus necessarily very limited, except when I can give talks to groups or classes that can sponsor the trip.
I was wondering if it was all of your Negatives…)
Nope, surely a problem with the toobz.
I only got back on because I am FAMOUSLY TENACIOUS.
:)
Thanks David. I am amazed at how many people believe and forward on internet hoaxes and lies without ever bothering to check the veracity.
i may be the exception as i never forward emails…just think it intrudes but thats just me i gather….
So we should all know by now that Repubes will always find the latest ways to spread lies. Always. This should just be expected.
The question becomes what to do about it. Dems usually want to “take the high road” and respond with simple facts debunking said smear, which is admirable. As the post points out however, this has little impact on stopping the spread.
Or, we could fight fire with fire and beat them at their own game. With Repubes, we don’t even need to twist facts or make things up, since they almost always have checkered pasts and presents. It would be nice if us Liberals would actually follow Steve Gilliard’s mantra more often: We Fight Back.
When truth is on your side, it’s easy and just.
For some reason I never get that stuff.
Don’t know why…I’ve got the same anti-BS software that everyone else does.
Maybe it’s ’cause Jesus Loves Me.
I am so pulling all y’all’s legs with that. Just cause people get so worked up about religion.
Anybody laughing at my joke?
I forward news items to certain bloggers and radio hosts, and I have been known to forward cute photos of silly cats and the like.
i restarted my machine cuz i thought there was a problem online as the comments weren’t coming up….
Impeach now and let the chips fall where they may!!!
I dislike creating OT’s but here goes.
David Frost interviewed Benazir Bhutto on November 2nd and she stated that one of the people she suspected of trying to kill her was Omar Sheik (spelling?), the man who had killed Osama bin Laden.
Here is the youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
If you want to go directly to the part where she says this it is about 6:10 minutes into the interview.
I consider the source and type of email received and then delete or refute as the case may be.
But Snopes, urbanlegend and about.com all are helpful as well as news reports
Juslin I had trouble getting in about 10 minutes ago.
I never, ever open emails from anyone but people I know.
yeah i did too – i thought it was just me or my machine so i restarted
bbc america has ms bhutto on now
Everyone’s got Bhutto on.
My God, she was a beautiful woman. Any way you want to read that.
interviewer kinda uhhhh hostile…..
maybe snide is a better word…
Juslin,
Is it just you and me here, kiddo, or is TexBetsy still here?
Spyware. So the banks, I found this week have sofgtware runnning 24/7 through all their accounts. Can NSA get it through the CALEA at the telecom hubs? This amazing softqare detected unusual activity and that my account was wiped out and overdrawn. Third attack in 1.6 years. Have to change most stuff.
The software industry is big brother watching you. Just do not know hpw to deal with it it is to pervasive. I really feelempathy for people who are paranoid.
I’m here.
ditto
There has definitely been a dearth of commentary tonight. Holiday lurking is the pits, especially on such a sad day such as this.
anybody else? (come on out, lurkers…)
things really went downhill when OKK and Lahoma left for their party.
Hi Mare…
Didja have a good holiday?
(goodness, it does feel like 2:30 am here.)
alright, already! ;-)
i’ve been lurking tonight, i’ll come out of the woodwork. Lurking because i haven’t much to say on this sad day.
Yep. Low key. Very. I like it that way.
Acrually, I did make a trip to Alaska — Juneau — earlier this year to talk to a class that was reading my book Strawberry Days. The kind folks at UA-SE paid for the trip. I was talking to a class taught by d from LG&M.
It’s a powerful book, and I enjoyed it very much. Young people are the perfect audience.
ndfg, I know what you mean. Today’s been quiet and reflective for me.
night night all, well past my bedtime here in florida
carry on
we’ve all been rubbed the wrong way with this sad news today…and i think its a sense of powerlessness right now – what do we do? i dont know i just feel so raw
There was quite a bit of traffic here most of the day.
I was upset, but not emotional. Just was reading different sites.
But, when I read Looseheadprop’s post, I just broke down and cried.
My fear is that this is only the beginning of a year filled with shocking events. We Americans are quite ego centric but I do wonder how much Bushco had to do with this. Perfect to drum up fear yet again.
lhp’s post was great.
LL, me too. Plus the temp job i picked up (ends tomorrow) is quite draining. I’m getting paid to just sit there in case a client sends in some artwork, which isn’t much with so many folks taking vacation days. The time drags, which i find much more tiring than a hectic whirl of work needing to go to press.
this is what i think also…repugs are sure to lose the WH come nov soooooooooo they pull out the stops again – now on MSM only repugs can guarantee security… WHAT!!!
i am back. was busy passing mary mcc’s link on to people
I think they’re going to be busy, sad
I agree but the one thing that argues against this is that Bushco has been paying off Musharraf and is didn’t work so well. I won’t think that they would want that information out in the fresh air. And it had surfaced a week or so ago.
CNN: Biden–”the stakes are incredibly high”
Huckster: didn’t know Musharrif had lifted state of emergency
McCain: I’m the one with experience, knowledge, judgment
Edwards: urges Mushie to continue the democratization process
Clinton: the stakes are high–I have experience
Obama: bashes Clinton for Iraq war support causing unrest in Pakistan
I wonder how soon the video will be pulled from youtube. It is hard to believe that no one caught this before.
And they move on to the next step of the plan…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..en_message
According to Bhutto, binForgotten is dead, but this SITE group always seems to pop up in the Conglomerate Media at really convenient times. It’s amazing how SITE has direct communication lines to al-Queda.
It would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic how the Conglomerate Media regurgitates the spin, never questioning. Too bad they never investigate where these self-proclaimed experts at SITE came from, and how quickly they formed this group. What a bunch of bull. The last OBL videos, which SITE also “predicted” didn’t even look like him along with many other inconsistencies.
Mittbot on CNN right now
Didn’t Cheney make sure that Pakistan had nukes?
anyone reads this bush selling missle to saudi … Just wondering, goodnite all even know who the heck can sleep well now
Bush selling missiles to the Saudis is small potatoes.
Plans are afoot in Congress to integrate the U.S. Missile Defense System with Israel. The same Israel who sold our defense secrets to China.
Mary McC, I’ve posted your link and part of your comment here. Thank you!
“SeeSaw” Romney’s just loving a chance to appear “presidential.” Who gives a rat’s buttocks what liar-boy from Central Casting thinks. It’ll be different next week anyway…
Think the nukes preceded Cheney.
I wonder if he knows liarman from the Wizard of Oz?
Joe Biden: Dem Rivals “Not Making Sense” On Bhutto Murder
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors
Council Bluffs, Iowa – Presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden took the occasion of the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto to chide his Democratic rivals as too inexperienced to be president and to tout his own foreign policy credentials.
“Observe what’s been going on in Pakistan and you’ll see not many candidates have spoken out,” Biden said. “And those few who have spoken don’t make a lot of sense.”
Biden made his remarks Thursday night to a an audience of about 150 supporters gathered at the local Elks Lodge in this small city abutting Nebraska.
Biden didn’t single out any of his rivals by name in deriding their statements on Pakistan. But calling “nuclear-riddled” Pakistan an “emerging, urgent crisis,” the veteran Delaware Senator suggested that among the Democratic contenders he alone was best suited to deal with dangerous global affairs.
In a post-event interview with The Huffington Post, Biden at first refused to specify which candidate he was referring to when he said they weren’t making sense on Pakistan. He noted that front-runners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, both of whom issued brief statements earlier in the day lamenting Bhutto’s murder, were “both good people” but didn’t have his breadth of foreign policy experience.
When further pressed on the issue, Biden singled out second-tier candidate Bill Richardson as an example of a candidate putting forth simplistic responses to the Pakistani crisis. “Richardson said that [Pakistani President] Musharraf should step down and make way for a coalition government,” Biden said. “But what coalition? There isn’t any. What’s he talking about?”
Perpetual war means perpetual profits for the War Machine. The PNAC plan is advancing perfectly.
Why is this so hard to understand for people, including many Liberals?!?
Everything’s quite easy to understand when you view events like today through this lens. No need to theorize and speculate ad nauseum about why this or that happened, and what people are going to do about it.
The War Pigs must be stopped. All our energies should go toward this goal.
David, I am so green with envy that your parents re evaluated their political party status. Mine are so deep in the koolaid I’d have to drown in it myself to pull them out. My dad does not even pick and choose among the talking points, he repeats them all. And if anyone dares to challenge him on the wingnuttiness of it all, he goes ballistic. There is no conversation, only the winning of arguments.
And yes, I too am feeling very raw about today’s events. Very grieved.
Would Impeachment help?
Yes, that is definitely the working agenda. Make money through promoting war. T’riffic.
eisenhower warned us re the M-I complex but no attention was paid – ergo the perpetual war machine rages on and on seemingly unstoppable
Ugh. It’s just such an old story that is so out in the open, and I can’t understand why people aren’t rising up against the Machine. Generals Butler and Eisenhower among many others all called the War Pigs out as far back as the 1920s and earlier, yet the public continues to yawn. Jeezus, we have got to get more people onto to places like FDL immediately.
http://warisaracket.com
It sure would’ve as many of us were saying as soon as the Dems took over last year. One positive out of all this “off the table” babble is that true colors are being exposed in the Dem Party finally. We know how much more work we have to go yet.
“More and Better in ‘08!!!”
Snopes/Barbara Mikkelsen’s problem is that she knows full well that the lion’s share of the wackos are right-wingers, but she apparently feels that for “balance”’s sake (aka “maybe this might stop the wingnuts from sending me hate mail”) she has to pick something at random and pretend that it’s true (if it reflects badly on liberals or well on conservatives) or false (if it reflects well on libs or badly on cons).
My parents’ best characteristic is their lefty leanings.
Does anyone think it possible that Mrs. Bhutto mis-spoke in that clip? Like maybe she meant to Daniel Pearl or another murder victim we know about.
Just checked wiki, D. Pearl was murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.
Anyone still here?
Never mind. I found the party upstairs.
From Snopes:
So Snopes has it exactly correct. The photo was taken during the singing of the national anthem, and Obama does not have a hand over his heart. The video in the Snopes article shows most of the candidates with their right hand over their heart. For the time that Obama is visible in the clip, he clearly does not have a hand over his heart.
Because of how Edwards is facing, you can’t tell whether he has a hand over his heart. Clinton, Richardson, Dodd, Biden, and Senator and Mrs. Harkin, do have a hand over their heart.
I’m not casting any aspersions, I think the story is a non-story myself. But Snopes did not mess up, it got the story right. You have to read the whole Snopes article and put things in context.
Here’s another place to look to debunk some of the crud that flows through the internets — David Emery at About.com has been running the Urban Legends site for maybe 8-10 years…I find it as reliable as Snopes.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/…..etlore.htm >>
[Mod Note; this may be the correct link http://www.urbanlegends.about.com/od/.....etlore.htm ]