One of my sisters attended Harvard University as an undergraduate. I helped her move into her freshman dorm in Wigglesworth Hall on Harvard Yard. Wigglesworth was divided into suites with bedrooms and bathrooms off a sitting room with a fireplace. It was an old building and the suites looked like Sherlock Holmes’ apartment.
Wigglesworth was (I forget) three or four stories high and had two (I think) multi-student suites off a given stairwell. My sister’s suite was on an upper floor, so as we hauled her comforter and table lamps and suitcases up the stairs we passed by the lower floor suites.
In the stairwell that first day, the very first new friend my sister made was a cute little freshman in tan corduroy jeans with her dark hair pulled into two pigtails. She looked more like a high school freshman than a college student. She was tacking up fliers for some kind of cause (might have been related to world hunger) on the bulletin boards in the stairwell.
She was pretty and outgoing and introduced herself to us at once, "Hi, I’m Bennie, Bennie Bhutto." She offered to help move the bedding in, and may have carried up the pillows. She had arrived a couple days before my sister and filled us in on the lay of the land: Where the Baskin Robbins was; how to find the bookstore; you name it, she was willing to tour guide.
Over the course of my sister’s freshman year, I often drove up to Boston to visit. From Bennie and from stories my sister told me, I learned that Bennie’s real name was Benazir, but she had decided to use her nickname in order to fit in better in America. I learned that she came from a country where women were undervalued and not often well educated.
Her family, for reasons never explained to me, had told her that someday she would be the leader of her home nation and in order to achieve that she would need the credibility in the eyes of the western world that would come from a premier western education–they decided that the Harvard/American connection would be more valuable than the connections she would get if she was educated in Europe.
She seemed to believe in this preordained destiny and did not fight it. She said it was her obligation. I thought the whole thing sounded crazy, how could her family just DECIDE to make her a national leader? I mean, a Harvard education is a wonderful thing, but not every Harvard graduate goes on to lead a nation. I used the word "preposterous" more than once to describe her life plan. Later, I learned just how wrong I could be.
She was so convinced that she would become Pakistan’s leader, she said the only one way that could not happen, would be if her brother killed her first. One of her brothers was furious that she, a worthless girl, had been chosen by the family instead of him–a not girl. I read in the newspapers years later that one of her brothers had been killed and that her niece blamed Bennie for it. I always wondered if that was the brother who had threatened her so many years before.
She was a bright young woman and SOOOO interested in human rights and world events, and certainly made me feel uninformed. She was one of the people who got me started on my news addiction, because she insisted that you could never read a news story from just one source. You had to read the same story in several different papers if you had any hope of getting an accurate feel for what happened. Even then, she was a savvy consumer of information.
She grew into an elegant, self-possessed and powerful woman. By her very existence as a leader, she elevated other women in Pakistan and around the world. She lived a brave life and did not let fear stop her from doing what she was trying to do.
Other people can analyze what her death means in political terms, in human terms. An intelligent, thoughtful woman is gone from this world, and I am saddened to learn that.
Photo credit AFP
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lahoma and i are sad today. We liked Bhutto.
LHP!
yup. me too kiddo – I am sad today… it seems like a terrible loss…
Hey loosehead, what a story!
May she rest in peace, now! Thanx, LHP!
Very interesting post.
That is a great story. How wonderful for you to have those memories. Really fascinating.
Thanks, LHP, beautiful post. Nobody benefits from this loss.
My heart weeps for her family, her supporters and the Hope of Democracy.
Well said. I agree 100%. Today is a sad day for hope.
Her biography says she went to Radcliffe as an undergraduate. If so, she would not have stayed in Wigglesworth, which seems to be a Harvard dormitory for freshmen only. And the wiki for Wigglesworth says it was built in 1974, while her bio says she went to Radcliffe in 1969. I’m confused.
Meanwhile, Little Pedals couldn’t go riding;
http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/
Ooops. Wigglesworth was built in 1931. Was reading wrong spot in wiki Harvard dorms when I saw the 1974 date.
What a great story. So sad. But after listening to the pundits I have heard that because Hillary met Bennie, she should be president.
Maybe you should LHP
she reminds me so much of Pickles Boooooooosh/
im very sad today….very!
She predicted her demise.. said Musharraf would be responsible… There is no surprise here..
The only question I have.. Is
Has anybody checked the White House incoming phone logs for a call from Pakistan ??
This may sound very naive, but all day long I’ve been preoccupied with one question: Who could kill a woman?
That may sound sexist, it may sound naive, but somehow it simply bothers me that someone could arm himself and shoot a woman in cold blood.
I was 18 and a half when Kennedy was killed, a Freshman in College. And my shock at the time was thinking: How could this happen? They shot Lincoln… but they don’t do that today!
I hope we don’t live to see a woman assassinated here.
And sorry if this sounds really naive.
believe me somebody does….this meme of sensless violemce rings hollow here…on purpose violence
I am sad for the loss of Bhutto today. Great post lhp.
blackwater does it ALL the time…….. biddness
Abraham (Lincoln), Bobby, JFK, Rachel Corrie, Sadat, Rabin, and now… Bennie.
I’m late coming to the conversation about Bhutto, but I just want to say that her assassination is a stake through my heart. She wasn’t perfect, but man!, she wanted a better Pakistan.
Until our planet decides that guys like Musharraf, Busharraf, and Cheneyarraf are not good for democracy the better off we’ll be!
Also, today’s assassination seemed eerily similar to the Kennedy killings. Sad.
Did you and/or your sister stay in touch with Bennie after Harvard?
For you Bennie…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6r72eemX0M
Thank you for sharing your memory with us, LHP. If we all could pass along this legacy you learned early from Bennie Bhutto, this country and the world would be a better place.
This should be one of the fundamentals of the Citizen’s Handbook for Restoring our Democracy.
just a little fyi, spector was suppose to meet PM. Butto for dinner tonight…you remember Spector, the one bullet theory for jfk assasination…it goes on and on and on…
i just cant quite understand who let her go so unprotected
Why was she chosen by her parents to go to Harvard, was she the smartest, nicest, toughest? Pakistan is a very male dominated country for both her brothers to be passed over like Fredo from the GodFather suggests that they really didn’t measure up.
Or was there a prophecy of sorts concerning Benny. It seems she knew not to trust the General.
Wolf Blitzer reporting that he was told of an e-mail she wrote 2 months ago that he was forbidden to reveal unless she was killed. It said that, if she was killed, it was Musharraf’s fault. She believed she was being set up with a lack of security on purpose.
looseheadprop,
thank you so much for sharing this intimate look at “Bennie Bhutto”
I see her in a new light.
I’m sorry for the loss, your loss.
Yes, I did hear today that he was “in town” for a meeting with Bhutto. I’m sure he’ll say, “I saw a woman with a pokadot dress on right before the shooting holding something!”. Oh please.
And another thing….Harmid Karzai also wants democracy for Afghanistan, doesn’t he? How come he gets to live today? Is it because he’s connected to Unocal and is made to look like an Arab king as part of the American Taliban’s skit in the waronterra? *rolling eyes*
Alright, I’ll admit it! I’m pissed off about this. Everyone is guilty of Bhutto’s murder (well, not us, but you know what I mean) as far as I’m concerned.
How is it that a “Jack Ruby” can just walk up to Bhutto and shoot her 3 times to kill her? Oh wait. Paul Wellstone also had plane troubles after he was relentless against the Bush Regime and ended up dying because of it! Nevermind. If the fascists want to kill, they’ll find ways to do it.
i have felt this all along,and wheres Kindasleazy today….i think im almost moving from sad to mad…trying anyhow
and what was that old has been doing there? enquiring minds want to know
I have to say one thing. If you think you are going to be assassinated…there’s already been attempts on your life, and it is a week before the elections…don’t stand up in a huge crowd through the sunroof of your car. I’m sorry, but that was, well you know…
This could be why The Nazi Boys are at the ranch in Crawford today. Who wants to bet those phone lines go directly through the RNC to make them untraceable! Spit.
yup……..damn………….they were prolly chanting for her…caught up in the emotion….that car was a no-no
Although security was a constant issue, and Bhutto felt it was often lacking or poorly provided, this credible source tends to argue against that assumption. I refer to the author of that piece, who Digby cites earlier today and Spencer Ackerman (Talking Points Memo) also holds in esteem. Musharraf may actually have had a stake in her success; a greater stake than in her death.
We must somehow assure ourselves that never again can another mistake like George W. Bush be allowed to happen in our nation. The world is depending upon us.
My instant reaction to your comment was that she had no choice. Once she decided to attempt to regain political power in Pakistan, she had to behave publicly like she has power. This includes appearing openly in public.
I don’t know if this makes any sense; hence the prefatory qualifier.
Ms Bhutto knew she was a target as most people with such a high political profile. Assassination is nothing new and they tried to get her a few months ago.
So you have to accept the risk or completely isolate yourself from the people. She knew she would be hit.
We know there are violent assholes out there.
People with guns kill people.
A moving post, LHP. Thank you for sharing your memories.
Benazir Bhutto knew and told us in her own words who would be her assassin. M didn’t have to pull the trigger himself but he could make it possible for others to do the dastardly deed. Already, Pakistan authorities are saying they may never know who is responsible. Complicity.
But this is a moment to grieve and express sadness to Benazir’s family and the terrible grief her Mother and children must feel at this moment. Those who supported her are in terrible grief. Bless them with kindness and strength.
she was a beauty imo then and now….just damn!
I have to disagree with this. She stood up to lead her people and knew exactly what she was facing. Her dedication to helping her people rose above her concerns for her own safety. I think that speaks volumes about her.
What do you think her supporters would wish for the US to do going forward in its relationship with Pakistan?
Buchanan and other conservatives’ assessment that the death of Bennie Bhutto is going to have voters gravitating to Republicans “for security” is the same full of shit premise they have been deluded with for years. There is no one running for the Republicans that represents “security” and Bush has shown the insecurity factor with the deaths in 911 and the deaths that continue to roll.
yes….what a waste of an obviously talented human
The way I understand it, all female students at Harvard University are enrolled in Radcliffe college, All male students are enrolled in Harvard college. Both colleges are within the Harvard university as are other schools, such as Harvard Law school, Harvard school of busness, the Divinity school, etc
But I am not an expert on all things Harvard.
Very possibly true. It makes sense that in countries where there are politicians that just cruise around in black, armed cars and never engage with the people…they become hated; so I agree that her popularity with the people depended on a degree of interaction with them. It is just so sad that in those crowds, the enemy lurks too.
THEY ARE PRAYING FOR THIS…how dare they use this as a SALESPITCH pricks!
She left Wolf an Email about her own death! Her people in Pakistan will likely take this as proof the General was involved. They might go one step further and claim she had a vision and I’m not sure I would disagree with that possibilty.
But lets assume it wasn’t a vision, talk about good political instincts not JFK, or even MLK thought to leave behind as insurance a note blaming the most likely suspect for her death.
Religious people especially if they are poor tend to believe in visions, superstitions etc this might cause the Al Quieda types to flock to her side.
It couldn’t have been built in the 70’s, the ivy had already invaded the mortar between the bricks (there was a big ivy irradication campaign going on and a “save the Ivy” pushback movement, IIRC)
I would have thought that building was Much older than the 1930s from the way it was trimmed out. It looked very Victorian.
An incidental comment, may I suggest the graceful style requires slightly different punctuation, especially since LHP apparently dictates? A period after political terms and then begin the final sentence: In human terms, an intelligent, etc.
Well, standing up and standing up…are two different things. Now, she can’t help her people.
Harvard and Radcliffe became fully integrated a long time ago. I refused to apply there because at the time they had a boys-only library. That didn’t seem much above a Whites Only drinking fountain.
Canadians especially will recall Mark Lepine intentionally killing 14 women at Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal, 6 December 1989.
Of course there was Indira Gandhi, killed by her bodyguards.
Not just Paul Wellstone but his wife and daughter, both could have carried on in his place. Wipe out the entire family so no one follows after you. It’s a proven practice. Sounds very similar to the Bhutto family.
Maybe the NRA could start a charitable donation drive of firearms for women in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, India, Africa…. undoubtedly women would no longer be considered expendable property.
OT/ for Bush the holidays are an opportunity to sneak corporate presents under the tree:
…… It received little media attention, but the giant coal operators (which have been reliable funders for George and the GOP) recently got a huge goodie handed to them: Bush gave them Appalachia! His office of surface mining quietly issued a new regulation that would allow King Coal to ravage the ancient mountains, glorious forests, and pure streams of Central Appalachia at will….and abhorrent mining process called mountaintop removal. This process decapitates the mountains, exploding the tops of them, then savagely shoving the trees, topsoil, wildlife, and other rubble down the mountainsides, burying the valleys and streams below. This is a corporate rape and environmental mutilation – but, hey, it produces quick profits for the industry, which had been pushing since George took office to have it legalized.
http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6297
She and others like her don’t have the constant fear in them like you and I maybe would (especially with kids at home). They may be aware that their lives are in danger, but that doesn’t stop someone like Bhutto, Paul Wellstone, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King and others to speak truth to power in front of the shit storm. They truly are the brave ones, which brings me to my next thought….Hitler in the end committed suicide. See? He was a wimp.
You make perfect sense Kay. I had forgoten that Cowardly Bush would be in his bunker. His bosses at the PNAC probably scheduled the events in Pakistan to happen when Bush was at the ranch, I will follow the story with great curiousity to see how the Chickenhawks will twist the horrbile murder into an excuse to bomb Iran..
How can we stop this MADNESS ???
We need to get rid of Musharraf. This man along with our own president is guilty of murder. They must have their day in court. And please don’t tell me that Bennie’s death wasn’t a sanctioned state killing.
Must not ask why.
Must not think conspiracy.
Need to hold hands and light candles.
This is not a time for angry question-asking.
This is a time for peace and understanding.
Robert Siegel had this on ATC this afternoon. The e-mail was sent to his second cousin, Mark Siegel, a lobbyist who was a friend of Bhutto. He said he had seen the e-mail. Maybe that’s where Wolf Blitzer “was told” of it.
You are right!
She will still inspire, one quick example off the top of my head is Gandhi
NPR proved itself not completely worthless tonight when Robert Segal’s second cousin spoke about that email Bennie sent in the event of her death. Every security need that she requested was rejected. This was a political assasination, not a focking terrrrrrrrorist attack.
Uhoh, I don’t like this twist…
At issue is the centralized optical scanning of the ballots… Of which I empathize, however, I think the ACLU is throwing the baby out with the bathwater…
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/14931688/detail.html
That is it.
How can we stop this MADNESS ???
IMPEACH,INCARCERATE,….tar and feather
Martin Luther King
John Lennon
How can we stop this MADNESS ???
Yes, please, I would like to know the answer to this question also. How can we stop them, where can we stop them? Just give me a hint and I will follow it thru…
lahoma and i are angry. And we know full well where to direct that anger.
Yep. ;0)
angry is good…we need a collective anger
Those who support a leader often feel enfranchised which they didn’t before. They have hope. When this is taken away, it leaves those who placed so much hope in her, lost. Lost hope. Bleakness is left. They will do their best to remember her leadership but the blackness of the moment is overwhelming. It takes great strength to go forward productively and not reactively.
IMPEACH!!!
No, no.
We need peace. Not anger.
Let us hold hands in harmony.
I am very moved by your post and so appreciate you sharing these memories on this sad day. Thanks lhp!
OTOH am I the only one who was unnerved by the physical appearance of GWB during his brief presser at his Texas “ranch” following news of Butto’s brutal death. Was he shocked and frightened or suffering a massive hangover. Either way he grows creepier day by day. :~(
Does the record show that GWB was an ally of Bennie?
Don’t forget that 4 of Sharif’s workers were killed a couple of hours before they killed Bennie.
i expect NOTHING fom that pin head…nothing …he is a void period
LHP I forgot to tell you what a great post that is. She looks a little like Joan Baez in that picture.
Anger is not peace.
Peace is acceptance.
Another day of Lost Hope, for them and for us…BTW Bush always looks like sh*t.
you can go on accepting this spiral to oblivion…count me out
She can still help her people, there’s plenty of examples of leaders through history who have been killed and their legacy lived on in many ways.She faced down the threats and fears, and stood up to the corrupt poision that is killing her country. To imply something like she was stupid is something I don’t agree with.
Wish for peace.
War is not peace.
In response to your comment Professor at
Shaheen’s Obama Attack Hurts 12/26/07
I am no fan of Thomas’s politics or jurisprudence, but the “Scalia’s puppy” claim is factually false, as can be easily seen by looking at Thomas’s and Scalia’s votes. Bottom line: Thomas is no more likely to vote with Scalia than he is to vote with several other justices.
While it is often said that Thomas regularly votes against Scalia, in a number of key areas they vote alike. I find Thomas’ jurisprudence highly predicatable as well as Scalia’s, and in those key areas, the probability is high thatthey will be voting together.
SCOTUSblog has displayed numerous statistical analyses over the years as have a number of other sites
It will take me a little more time than I have now to lay my hands on several studies that underscore what I said, but I will try do it over the next few days and get them to you.
Agreement in Criminal Cases: Ideology 22 Criminal Cases 0T06
5-4 Decisions in 2006: Left to Right Voting Patterns< </strong>
5-4 Majority Membership Voting Patterns 2006
5-4 Overall Voting Patterns 2006
The Real Judicial Activists by Thomas J. Miles and Cass R. Sunstein
Not me, I only met her once, maybe twice. The only reason she stuck in my mind all these years was because she had this seemingly improbable story for a working class girl from Queens, that sounded crazy.
But she was telling the truth
sadness and depression is anger turned inward
lahoma advises me to be suspicious about Ms. Bhutto’s murder.
nothing happens by chance….bushco is confident with musharraf – he stays bought and paid – what jumps off in pakistan goes b/c we allow these things to happen – those in charge were not going to allow ms bhutto to win the election – just my thoughts
Of course there was Indira Gandhi, killed by her bodyguards.
and Kay is right, and i’d like to know just who these f**kers think they are breaking people’s hearts with such abandon!! This is a heartbreaking turn of events. I’d like to know which of her “bodyguards” in the car with her suggested she stand up just one more time for the folks….. this was a setup if i ever saw one.
I have no more tears for such horrible events. My heartache has turned to fury and has been so for years. And Musharraf seems rather hapless to me on tv tonight. This is our old buddies the CIA (or their new incarnation Blackwater) helping out whomever needs it in Pakistan to further Bushco’s “investments” . If Bhutto had won the election and gone after OBL like she threatened to do, that would be the end of the PNAC crowd’s raison d’etre for the “war on terr”. This works perfectly for them. Remember , folks, if there’s one thing we learned from Watergate and everything that followed, it’s ALWAYS worse than you think it is.
from a sad heart anyway for her family
I’m not implying that this obviously brilliant woman was stupid, but her “security” people should have told her no.
Pakistan is likely headed toward civil war, unless the General resigns. America now has to decide do we trust the Pakistani army with Nukes, and do they trust US enough to help them secure their Nukes if a civil war breaks out?
Otherwise we will have to destroy their Nukes. There is no way Al Quieda or their puppet masters the Pakistani Intel Service who helped set up Al Quieda can be allowed to get hold of those Nukes.
But as a side note why isn’t Israel threatening an airstrike on Pakistan’s nukes you would think they would be worried after all the noise they made over Iran.
Maybe Bush personally reassured them that everything was going to plan?
John Lennon’s “Woman”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaLfDnShEn0
Something that has been lacking since the 2006 election on the progressive front: REAL ANGER. See? I don’t know about you guys, but the assassination of Bhutto was a slap in the face for those who want TO SEE AND WITNESS SOME PEACE ON THE PLANET.
My fear is…George Bush & Dick Cheney got very excited awhile back when Musharraf instilled Martial Law on Pakistan. Neither one of them could say enough about how much they liked Musharraf and how good of a job he was doing. Now with an assassination of a political opponent on the table less than 2 weeks before A VERY IMPORTANT ELECTION, well, I’m thinking this is why ole Georgie didn’t seem to care too much at his presser today. He knows what America is going to look like next year before our election. Whoever the Democratic candidate is had better beware I’m thinking.
Is it appropriate to say I’d like to give Musharraf some peace? GWB has had seven years to deal with this tyrant.
Yup.
i wholeheartedly agree
weve turned all our cheeks enuf
CTuttle, thank you for the correction, my spellck & patience is on the friz today..
I don’t mean to give the wrong impression, she was not someone I knew. She was someone I met, who left a lasting impression on me, partly because her story was different from anything my life had prepared me to believe, and because she seemed so PURPOSEFUL. It made me feel like a lazy, self centered slug who cared more about whether my own school won that week’s football game, than I did about current events.
What are you suggesting?
Money has been spent and most of it has been wasted. A fragmented Pakistan would mean in addition to the Soviet Union Nukes that the Bush administration has no clue about, there would be Pakistani nukes.
Billions in Aid to Pakistan Was Wasted, Officials Assert While Indifferent Americans Drool in the Corner
Thanks for this remembrance, LHP; left me moist-eyed.
A world leader with intelligence, aptitude, cultivation, and grace. What a freakin’ concept.
I’m suspicious too but I think that this is neither bushco or qaeda… my sense is that this is another military coup backed by muslim fundies…
calling al qaeda serves bushco very well, doncha think?
i’ll say again bushco has been great for spreading democracy havent they? hmmm not so much….
How can we stop this MADNESS ???
IMPEACH,INCARCERATE,….tar and feather
here here here!! Impeach is the ONLY answer, and NOW
This dirty, naughty little prez of ours had a hand in Bhutto’s death. Of course that’s just a gut reaction.
we have the dead womans words……moooooooshy
No Problemo… ;-)
I wonder what India is thinking tonight (you know, our REAL ally) knowing how unstable Pakistan is right now? Which country will George W. Bush side with? The relatively peaceful one with nukes or the unstable one harboring Osama (or dead Osama), al-Qaida, and who has a militant fascist dictator running the show who is receiving billions from America and who is probably stashing that money away for his own exile?
Huh. I wonder.
An Airstrike or the Pakistani army could voluntarily turn the nukes over to us for safe keeping until the civil war is over.
First off – what a great remembrance of an idealistic young woman, looseheadprop! What a small world we live and die in.
and KatyinMaine,
I worry about HRC, as much as I distrust her.
wonder how NANCY feels about another powerful woman being silenced?
You original comment doesn’t mention security people.
/begs to differ, acceptance is acquiescence and that’s not piece
peace is a multi faceted word, it means plenty of things, I am at peace but I accept only those things that I believe are good, I abnegate aceptance to those things I believe are not good
bravo
Mitt, Mike, John or Rudy. Good Gawd.
yea ,im getting mad
aside to CTuttle, glad to hear your son is home (((CTuttleJr)))
Turning the nukes over to US would most likely set off a civil war in Pakistan.
I keep forgetting to tell Looseheadprop too that the post made me tear up! I get very emotional when Patriots are gunned down in cold blood at the hands of those who wear red armbands and who leave horse heads on the front steps of their target’s family’s home.
Yes, the reich wingers of America despise HRC and she will definitely be a target and if she’s gunned down you can bet that they will be dancing in the streets holding their guns over their heads. Scary.
Henry Kissinger quote discussing the election of Salvador Allende in Chili just before the military coup: “The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves…” And history repeats itself, again. Same players still around.
is KO on tonite?
a question which will sting a bit but I must ask;
how can a person be assured of being elected to head of state unless they accept corruption?
they can’t
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I work for peace in the former Soviet Union, and I do not accept either the animosity between our nations or the high rate of completely unacceptable and unnecessary infant deaths there.
Peacemaking is WORK.
out of juice, must return later
see all on another thread
Mahalo, Elliot!
No it does not, but she was traveling with security. She complained about not having good security. I’m sure she was wanting to connect with the people. I was just making the point that for whatever reason, if you are a target of an assassination only a few months earlier, in which 140 people died…riding in an armed car with security…is completely defeated, if you stand up in the middle of a crowd to wave. Okay?
Don’t forget, her followers had been taking to the streets and were getting arrested and killed.
How can you ask someone else to go into the streets to rally, if you won’t show up yourself?
It seems to me, she was setting an example
lahoma wants i should say we are very angry over Bhutto’s death. Let me say… we are majorly pissed off.
deal with it on a case by case basis imo
yes KO is skedded to be on live tonight
In my opinion, this assassination is a case of overdetermination. There are many entities and individuals who perceived a benefit from her death. Perhaps some looked away while others acted affirmatively, and various others acted (or omitted action) somewhere along that continuum. There is no answer to the question, “What singular entity or individual assassinated Bhutto?”
They’ve been advertising that he’ll give his take on Bhutto’s assassination…
Without a doubt. I totally admired the woman and her bravery. I’m really pissed off that she’s been murdered though.
kay i think you are one sharp cookie, fellow mainer that you are! i thought at the time the martial law thing in Pakistan was a trial run bushco was watching to see how both we americans and the pakistanis reacted. this smells and i’m not gonna eat it.
i hope he is enrsaged,cause nobody sicks it to babyboooosh like 6′4 in KO
and that work is worth the effort!
enraged,and ensaged/
Sadly,no. That is My mistake. I typed this post straight through in one shot this morning right after I heard the news. I spent most of the day at work trying to race a deadline to get brief out (and trying to get the sister in story on the phone to try to refresh my memoery on the details).
I’m just a horrible horrible typist and cannot proofread my own work for beans. I almost always have someone, sometimes total strangers, proofread my stuff before it goes out. My UPS delivery guy dreads coming in for late packages cause he’s always afraid he will get dragooned into proofreading
Bennie Bhutto was feared by the few and loved by the people. Her message is still alive.
Power to the People
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gedqNpd_90g
As Bhutto’s assassination demonstrates Pakistan is a highly unstable country with nuclear arms. It has groups and sects that cover the spectrum from those who would like to create a Taliban style government to Westernized middle and professional classes that would like to see a stable democracy. You have some who want to take Pakistan back to the 7th century and others who want it to enter the 21th. Some would like to start a war with India. Others would like to use India as an economic and political model. The political history has alternated between repressive and corrupt military dictatorships and corrupt and chaotic civilian governments. The military remains the single unifying force in the country. This creates enormous tensions.
Just as Bhutto’s departure from the scene has increased instability a hasty departure of Musharraf would too. Basically, this is a country that is so important and so unstable that any action with regard to it must be taken with extreme caution. What the country really needs is economic aid and less focus on the military and the war on terror.
Oh, I know that the students fully intermingle, which is why my sister could dorm her freshman year on Harvard yard; but Harvard College and Radcliffe College do elect separate valedictorians (IIRC from sister’s graduation day)
The bottom line is that come tomorrow morning the Dictator of Pakistan and the Decider of America will still rule.
Exhibit A… ;-)
A fellow Mainer! Woohoo!!! *slapping your hand*
Bush’s reaction today was key. In fact, the reaction of this White House is always key. They don’t have goodness in their hearts…ever….even if they’re down on their knees and praying to their gawd. It’s just an act! They love this shit. The more violence, chaos, and looting/pilfering/plundering they can do in a day the more happier they are.
This White House is evil. They don’t want democracy and when they talk about those that don’t want it, it’s easy to assume they’re talking about themselves.
Had no idea one could dragoon UPS guys into proofing text. LHP you rock! ;~)
democracy….cant remeber what that feels like in these last 7 years…we have lost alot
Forgive this -
Is that Benezir Bhutto with her father? Were they Sikh? I thought Muslim.
And the MSM is spinning that Bhutto’s death is a blow to America and George Bush’s idea of spreading democracy.
“What singular entity or individual assassinated Bhutto?”
They don’t have a singular way of doing it…it’s done multi-layered up. See the badboys of democracy have layers and layers of backup, coverups, blackops, special blackops, a way in, a way out, a way forward…it’s all how much is everyone going to cost, who is getting paid, how much are they willing to sell their soul for…you know “going global for democracy”
Moe, Larry, Curly, or Shemp. Nothing more than a bunch of stooges.
Thanks for these memories. I was attending Clark University in Worcester Mass during this time period. Most weekends my fiance and I drove into Cambridge, hanging around Harvard Yard, shopping at the Coop, listening to folky music in the clubs. Dave von Ronk was a favorite. Our paths would have crossed.
One thing I noticed about the footage on MSNBC today was they showed the blown up bodies quite a few times today, but didn’t show the uprising against her assassination where the Pakistanis were burning everything in their path. I found this to be interesting. It’s propaganda, because they’re showing us what will happen to those who speak truth to power (hence all the pics of the blown up bodies with a blur mark to protect the viewer) and they don’t want to give anyone any ideas on how to react after an assassination like this takes place.
I’m telling you it’s creepy…our media. I also noticed that the republican presidential candidates had lots of airtime earlier today, but that seems to have switched to the Democrats somewhat now. Weird.
NOTE FROM AJ: I said in my post earlier that I was skeptical about any impact this would have on the primaries, but I’ve been very impressed by how well the Edwards camp has responded to the unfolding events. In his initial statement, along with the appropriate and requisite lamentations, he reminded voters that he had dealt “firsthand” with Pakistan and had “meetings with” Bhutto and Musharraf. Bringing it to an entirely new level, though, Musharraf called him today, demonstrating a level of connection between Musharraf and Edwards that I, for one, was certainly unaware of. There’s occasionally criticism of Edwards for having a thin resume on foreign affairs, but this reminds people that he’s player on the world stage, which can only be a plus for him.)
good on em!
Maybe, but they are dangerous stooges for sure.
Ouch!!! The niece really, really didn’t like Aunt Benazir:
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..ion-center
Typical America-centric view of the world. I think it has been a much greater blow to Pakistan.
I don’t understand why you make it sound like you are debunking the answerability of the question that I explicitly asserted had no answer.
“There are more things between Heaven and Earth my dear Horatio that are as yet undreamt of by your Philosophy” Hamlet. (I hope I got the Quote right) Or as Montezuma said Day Seven Year of the Reed the god will come back and the Aztec empire will be destroyed. Guess which day Cortez landed in Mexico. “Massacre of the Dreamers” is a great book.
Or you can somehow believe that a women got elected in a muslim country to the top job ahead of her brothers and that people didn’t insist that her husband be in charge. When in Liberal America years later even Hilary might not get elected because she is a woman.
Respectfully I am going with Divine Intervention. I think Benny’s supporters will too, and the perception of Divine Intervention is what will escalate this civil war into a holy war.
Count me as one of the pissed of… There are certian kinder and gentler poster such as Art who wish for peace and acceptance… I am not quite that evolved.. I’m the one with the rifles ready to “Make peace” with these people that visit violence on peace-loving Statesmen Like Bhutto
I know Musharraf was behind this.. HE is the one that stands to gain the most from her death.. She was his rival for power in Pakistan..
Bushco is proping up The little Paki Hitler, giveing him and his military billions to stay in power.
Why ??
Thanks for making me laugh for the first time today!!
Yeah, kinda like Bruce Cockburn’s “If I had a Rocket Launcher.”
The UPS guy here found a buyer for my former house. They’re all about the multitasking.
It plays well in certain circles. It furthers his war by ensuring that the next prez cannot walk away from the cluster fuck he has made. It help the GOP’s message of constant fear and never ending war.
Making peace begins at home. We must stop killing carried out by our own war criminals.
Here is W’s foreign policy:…Take American money and stir up the hornet’s nest…stand back and watch them all kill each other off and sacrifice some Americans to do it…then take their oil or other natural resources.
I get your point, and she has certainly been accused of that, but I wonder….
Joe Kennedy Jr. (the one who got killed in WW II) was supposedly being groomed to run for President from an early age. How would this be noticebly different?
sighhhhhhhhhh – we americans just dont seem to grasp how despicable bushco are….and those who pull bushco’s strings…mass chaos prevails so we cant see who’s really calling shots
from AP: Her assassination after a rally in the garrison city of Rawalpindi — where the country’s military and intelligence services are based — also focused anger and suspicion on the government of President Pervez Musharraf.
They even have a name for it LS, they call it “Creative Chaos”.
Bushco is proping up The little Paki Hitler, giveing him and his military billions to stay in power.
Why ??
because Osama will remain safely ensconced in his cave, providing an antagonist to bush’s protagonist in the mad war so long as pervez is in charge. this is basic IMHO.
lahoma and i are so angry about the murder of Bhutto. You have no idea.
WIGGLESWORTH HALL (behind Widener Library) is part of the rim of dorms around the Yard in “Georgian” or neo-colonial style that date from the early part of the c. 20 but look much older. 1931 sounds right, it’s when the house system was created, the Gold Coast private dorms closed, and the Freshman dorms were created for the First years who entered houses as sophomores.
I could give you the exact date and name of architect but eCHAN has such a low opinion of those folks that they are better off out of his/her sights (sorry about the overlap with guns).
Maybe Bush gave the General the aid money knowing it would be stolen with the understanding that the General was to invest the money in American companies with GOP connections.
How much does Pakistan spend on lobbyists in Washington. Bush 1’s Carlyle group is a hedge fund and does not have to report who invests in it, those would be my first guesses.
I read that at the time, and it’s what made me wonder if that’s the brother who threatened her so long ago
“Benazir Bhutto and Indian foreign minister Swaran Singh stand together in Simla, where Pakistani president Ali Bhutto and Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi met for a summit, on June 28, 1972.”
http://images.google.com/imgre…..n%26sa%3DG
jOHN Kennedy almost lost that election, joe being groomed is far from being guaranteed the presidency looseheadprop
this women actually said the only way she wouldn’t be elected is if her brother murdered her
she knew it as a fact
PBS Newshour coverage of this tonight is kind of interesting.
benny bhutto RIP
I just switched over, Kittykitty.
By the way, anyone know why Ann Curry has been commenting all day about Bhutto’s assassination? What is the connection?
Actually, the bathrooms had that hexblock tile on the floors, that makes you think of 1930’s subway stations.
The way I remeber the suite, it looked just like Sherlock Holms should live there. The fireplace even worked.
Yeah, but just because she actually WON, doesn’t mean it was a sure thing. But like the Bush’s and the Romney’s elder elected groomed their children to be elected in their turn
Thank you…. Sardar Swaran Singh was indeed Sikh. We had a Sikh temple in our little township. We actually learned a lot, plus they decorated their temple with Christmas lights.
halcyon days
I wouldn’t put too much stock in my memory of a conversation over 30’s ago. I did not put that in quotation marks Perris. It’s how I remeber the event, but I didn’t take notes and I cannot claim any exact quotes.
Don’t read anything into it.
PBS is the best bews hour IMHO..
Usually watch it, especially in times of Chaos.. The delivery style gives me some calming effect as they give great analysis of complex news stories like todays..
RIP Bennie..
May your life inspire both Pakistan and America to shed ourselves of our evil dictators and take measures to prevent any more EVIL from stealing power in either of our countries..
re: my 189 that “30 YEAR’s ago” not “30’s ago: sheez! really cannot type.
I hope that the fundies of Pakistan don’t strap on the nukes and take
out that part of the world.
I have been expecting this since the last attempt on her life failed. When I got in the car this morning and heard about it on the way to my water aerobics class I had to pull over for a minute or two.. All I could think of is that the Bush Administration had a part in it. They have spent too much time propping up and paying off their little dictator buddy to let some uppity woman take him down in an election. The Military Industrial Complex wins again, and everyone who has dreams of true Democracy and peace loses. Yet again. You know, we talked about this at my class when I got there. The other three women who came today are all old enough to be mothers to me. They didn’t miss a beat. The rest of the 45 minute class was spent talking about who really killed JFK and why. The older generation may not always talk about it openly, but they know who really killed JFK and why, and all four of us knew damn well that Bhutto’s assassin was tossed at her like a grenade with the pin pulled. Convenient that he killed her and then destroyed himself and 20 others. They learned in Dallas that too many witnesses make for a messy hit.
Yep. Musharraf is today’s “Saddam of the 1980’s”. And they’re shaking hands too! Spit.
God bless you.
Is it just us girls who think this?? Well, I’m gonna go tune in to season one of west wing that i gave my daughter for christmas. bless you all.
Strange Kitty….
I was going to say the SAME THING in my post, But left it as a question instead.. I did not want to sound to extremist :-).. But I know that as log as Mush is in power.. the military will NOT go into the northern mountains and kill Bush’s longtime family friend a Bin Laden.. As long as Osama is sucking air.. there is a “Boogy Man” that Bushco can use to instill fear and provide a great distraction of the raiding of our nations wealth by Bushco and friends… These people have stolen Billions and Billions via profitable wars and corporate welfare..
The ninth ring of hell awaits Bush, Cheney and all that have kept them in power and have grossley profited on the Blood of innocents…
Nite nite, Kittykitty. ;-)
Watching KO right now. Some former Bush regime NSC member–and apparently current right-wing shill–just keeps saying “al Qaeda” over and over and over, no matter what question KO asks. Gee, I wonder why that might be?
Comment from The Brad Blog: “That Musharraf can protect bin Laden but not Bhutto tells me all I need to know about bushie’s buddy who we pay billions upon billions to “fite turror”.
If he were from New Orleans he would not be treated so well.
Amurka … gotta luv it … “
Nice observation at BradBlog, huh? Wow. Very good point.
Bush knew that Bhutto would likely be killed if she returned to Pakistan.
Bush knows that the population will turn completely on Musharraf, he’ll either get killed too, and a General will replace him; or he’ll leave the country and a General will replace him.
In the chaos, due to the “threat of nukes falling into terrorist hands”, Bush will send forces in, albeit special forces, and retrieve OBL or claim that he has been killed…thereby attempting to cement a Repub victory and patch up his legacy. That plan is already in effect, and the forces are going to go into Pakistan in early 2008.
Dodd is right on.
what did Dodd say?
Thanx for sharing this, LHP. It’s a really awesome story.
LHP,
I feel it, all the pain, the hurt, the tears and the cries…….
Do you work for the government? We need to keep our country from interfering in the lives of other people in sovereign nations, not make imperial decisions about controlling them. Sheesh!
LHP, no wonder she wanted to be you and your sister’s friend.
She saw a kindred spirit in both of you.
The world is poorer for her loss today.
-S
I guess I never realized how bad I’d feel about the death of the leader from another country. It really sucks.
Don’t inflate a couple/few conversations on moving day into a life long freindship.
I met the girl, I didn’t befreind her. even though she was not famous at the time, and maybe it was because her story seeemed so outlandish to me, she stuck in my head allthese years. But I am NOT claiming to have a relationshsip with her.
It’s just that I have a couple factoids that perhaps give an insight into her and wanted to share that info to broaden the understanding of her and her life. No more than that.