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	<title>Comments on: Ohio SoS to Cleveland: Ditch the Touch Screens</title>
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		<title>By: ChristiKnits</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1167405</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristiKnits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Watch for California, where the Cons are trying to push for splitting electoral votes by Congressional district.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch for California, where the Cons are trying to push for splitting electoral votes by Congressional district.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristiKnits</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1167402</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristiKnits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know about states, but I know Cook County, Illinois.  We in Chicago take our elections and our politics real serious . . . we KNOW stolen elections in our bones.  Our elections are now done on optical readers with hand filled out PAPER ballots.  David Orr, who runs our elections, had the good sense to stay away from the Diebold fiasco.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know about states, but I know Cook County, Illinois.  We in Chicago take our elections and our politics real serious . . . we KNOW stolen elections in our bones.  Our elections are now done on optical readers with hand filled out PAPER ballots.  David Orr, who runs our elections, had the good sense to stay away from the Diebold fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Waccamaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166480</link>
		<dc:creator>Waccamaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quiz question: do you know the party affiliation of *your* Secretary of State? Are there voting integrity issues in your state? The night is young, and the internet is there before you for searching.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NC SoS = Elaine Marshall (&lt;strong&gt;D&lt;/strong&gt;)  :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting to learn:&lt;br /&gt;
1)  first female SoS in state&lt;br /&gt;
2)  we share same age and university degree (weird, that)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quiz question: do you know the party affiliation of *your* Secretary of State? Are there voting integrity issues in your state? The night is young, and the internet is there before you for searching.</p>
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<p>NC SoS = Elaine Marshall (<strong>D</strong>)  :-)</p>
<p>Interesting to learn:<br />
1)  first female SoS in state<br />
2)  we share same age and university degree (weird, that)</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166398</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wow, I surprised that nobody remarked about the fact that Ohio’s SoS official web site was hosted by the very same RNC servers that Turd Blossom/etal… utilized…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Old news.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All the Ohio election data was routed through those servers in Tennessee. Those servers were owned by the same company which handled RNC e-mail and which has now supposedly lost about 1/2 million e-mails (if I recall correctly).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a good question though. Has Brunner severed that tie or are Repubs still going to have their hands on election numbers? She’s been doing well so far, so I’d guess that was one of the first things she’s done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 2004 it might be said that the election of Debra Bowen to be SoS in California was THE most important election in the country, save the presidential race. She too is doing great and is throwing out the machines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are pockets of resistance to getting rid of the machines and it might surprise you that they’re not all Repubs. Yep. Some Dems like the machines too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, I surprised that nobody remarked about the fact that Ohio’s SoS official web site was hosted by the very same RNC servers that Turd Blossom/etal… utilized…</p>
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<p>Old news.</p>
<p>All the Ohio election data was routed through those servers in Tennessee. Those servers were owned by the same company which handled RNC e-mail and which has now supposedly lost about 1/2 million e-mails (if I recall correctly).</p>
<p>It’s a good question though. Has Brunner severed that tie or are Repubs still going to have their hands on election numbers? She’s been doing well so far, so I’d guess that was one of the first things she’s done.</p>
<p>In 2004 it might be said that the election of Debra Bowen to be SoS in California was THE most important election in the country, save the presidential race. She too is doing great and is throwing out the machines.</p>
<p>There are pockets of resistance to getting rid of the machines and it might surprise you that they’re not all Repubs. Yep. Some Dems like the machines too.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166397</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They were counting on manipulating US Attorneys to help with warping the vote in ‘08. Too bad they got busted.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think Tim Griffin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They were counting on manipulating US Attorneys to help with warping the vote in ‘08. Too bad they got busted.</p>
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<p>Think Tim Griffin.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They were counting on manipulating US Attorneys to help with warping the vote in ‘08.  Too bad they got busted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were counting on manipulating US Attorneys to help with warping the vote in ‘08.  Too bad they got busted.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166390</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But what I would like to know is what state will be the next Ohio or Florida, and what can we do to preempt another stolen election?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This would be very late in the game to start working on fixing things. But, thankfully, many people have already been working on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d expect Arizona, probably Texas and maybe Georgia could be major battle zones.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But what I would like to know is what state will be the next Ohio or Florida, and what can we do to preempt another stolen election?</p>
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<p>This would be very late in the game to start working on fixing things. But, thankfully, many people have already been working on it.</p>
<p>I’d expect Arizona, probably Texas and maybe Georgia could be major battle zones.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166384</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;No voting machine without a paper trail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ever.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Even paper trails are meaningless. We never know what’s really going on in the machine’s software or chips.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only ‘cure’ is to toss ‘em in the river with concrete shoes and turn to good old paper ballots which we humans can read and reread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, not many people know, the goofy butterfly ballot in Florida 2000 was designed by a Dem election official who only shortly before was a Repub and only about a year after that fracas reverted to Repub. Also, the ballots were made incorrectly by an Irish firm friendly to Gov. JEB Bush. It wasn’t computer fraud, but fraud nonetheless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Repubs have used a lot of different techniques to ‘win’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No voting machine without a paper trail.</p>
<p>Ever.</p>
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<p>Even paper trails are meaningless. We never know what’s really going on in the machine’s software or chips.</p>
<p>The only ‘cure’ is to toss ‘em in the river with concrete shoes and turn to good old paper ballots which we humans can read and reread.</p>
<p>BTW, not many people know, the goofy butterfly ballot in Florida 2000 was designed by a Dem election official who only shortly before was a Repub and only about a year after that fracas reverted to Repub. Also, the ballots were made incorrectly by an Irish firm friendly to Gov. JEB Bush. It wasn’t computer fraud, but fraud nonetheless.</p>
<p>The Repubs have used a lot of different techniques to ‘win’.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/ohio-sos-to-cleveland-ditch-the-touch-screens/#comment-1166381</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
The Diebold, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia direct recording electronic (DRE) systems were all decertified.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Life is good! Ok, other states please take note? Elect clean officials who will carry out their freakin responsibilities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot has been happening ‘below the radar’ on the election fraud front. BradBlog.com has been focusing on it and is a great source of information.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BradBlog.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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The Diebold, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia direct recording electronic (DRE) systems were all decertified.</p>
<p>Life is good! Ok, other states please take note? Elect clean officials who will carry out their freakin responsibilities.</p>
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<p>A lot has been happening ‘below the radar’ on the election fraud front. BradBlog.com has been focusing on it and is a great source of information.</p>
<p>BradBlog.com</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Brad Friedman at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bradblog&lt;/a&gt; and also Bev Harris at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackboxvoting.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blackboxvoting.org&lt;/a&gt; have been all over the election fraud issue.  Highly recommend both.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad Friedman at <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/" rel="nofollow">Bradblog</a> and also Bev Harris at <a href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org/" rel="nofollow">blackboxvoting.org</a> have been all over the election fraud issue.  Highly recommend both.</p>
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