Zed II?

Jane!

I personally think that Hillary, like her husband, would be an outstanding Republican President. The question is, do we want another Republican President?

Did Jonah Goldberg place?

-G

Hillary’s CNN’s Most Admired Woman, but not among her cohort.

EPU’d from last thread @ 40:

And Hillary is highly suspect to her cohort: middle- to upper-middle class professional (mostly white) women. Her base is lower- to lower-middle-class white and African-American women: the same base of the Oprah universe. That’s why Team Obama thought Oprah would help considerably in this respect. Oprah’s marketing strategy is to sell Obama to her constituents by saying that by voting for him, they would be voting for their own self-improvement.

Hope everyone’s holiday is filled wit da good stuff.

In the most admired woman’s poll?
No but not for lack of trying on his part…

Well the old shut-ins were just glad *somebody* called, since their kids and grandkids hardly every do…

In reply to AstralTechnician:

I got this from the Jeremy Scahill interview transcript by Bill Moyers. I can’t do links (sorry). I think it supports the Clintons as Republican theme.

But let’s, lets remember here we’re talking about Blackwater right now because we have a Republican administration. For so many years, we had a Republican dominated Congress. Blackwater is certainly the beneficiary of the Republican monopoly in government. But this system has been bi-partisan for a very long time.

When Hillary Clinton’s husband was in the White House, he was an aggressive supporter of the privatization of the war machine. Bill Clinton used mercenary forces in the Balkans. Who do we think gave Dick Cheney’s company all of those contracts during the Nineties? We talk about Halliburton. It was Clinton. It was the Clinton administration. And and, Blackwater may be an extraordinary Republican company. But they’re gonna be around when there’s a Democrat in office.

Condi’s #3 and Laura Bush is tied at #4? Even Barbara Bush made the list? I’m gonna be sick….

If Clinton is the nominee, at this point, I will vote in that direction. Perhaps HRC will surprise me, and the Senator will turn out to be a great president.

I want a single National Primary Day, goddammit.

I’m sick of hearing that an HRC win in Iowa wraps up the nomination for her. Whether that’s true or not, by Feb. 5, it will be all over. I live in Indiana, which has its primary May 6.

I’m sick of having no say whatsoever.

apologies for the OfT.

I think this is a poll on who gets the most press coverage.

I’m for Edwards or anyone except Hillary and the GOP boys.

I do admire Hillary for her accomplished career, etc., even though I don’t agree with her…But I don’t want her as my president.

Why isn’t TRex on that list?

(Dear Reader: Please insert obligatory reply involving winged primates and nether orifices.)

Unfortunately, with a single national primary, you still wouldn’t have much of a say. No one candidate would get the required number of votes for a majority with a single primary which would mean a brokered convention which would mean we’d be back to the backroom deals that the staggered primaries were designed to move away from.

I wonder if people simply name familiar names…. and don’t put much thought into answering the question. Recall is more difficult than if you are offered a list of people and asked to state how important you think they might be.

So the answers here may reflect the poverty of the research method being used.

I want the Republicans outta the WH.

What the HELL, where are Jane and Christy on this list!?!

It would be interesting to see a state-by-state breakdown of the Clinton vote, especially in some of the early primary/caucus states. However, with a national sample of 1,011 people, a state-by-state breakdown might not be statistically valid.

Note that while GW Bush’s performance rating hovers around 30 percent, only a third of those hard-core approvers voted for him as “most admired man.” I wonder what the other two-thirds of his base are thinking.

They tie for 1st place on my list.

Oh! Didn’t you hear Monica Crowley on McLaughlin Report? George Bush is the biggest political winner this year! Isn’t that special? /s

amy goodman?
jane hamsher?
christy hardin smith?
naomi kline?
naomi wolf?
arundhati roy?
cindy sheehan?

joseph darby?
colby vokey?
john brady kiesling?
charles swift?
jeremy scahill?
norman finkelstein?
john dean?
craig murry?
camilo mejia?

Hillary Clinton seems unable to grasp the fact that many of us had very hight hopes for her. And she let us down. For a lot of us Demos, ’she was the one’.

I saw that. Who’s the man of the year, Monica? Well, if there are no more terrorist attacks, Bush is well positioned to be treated well by history, she says. Even indulging her on this, she still didn’t answer the question. And John “Voice of Reason” Mclaughlin named Bush as Worst POlitician of the Year. Crowley’s a chowderhead. “We’re wuinning in Iraq!! We’re winning in Iraq!!!” Putz.

naomi kline?

Naomi Klein…

Fitz Da Man.

Aw Hillary… you couldda been somebody. You have disappointed some of us.

I had hopes for Pelosi once. Schmuck.

“We’re wuinning in Iraq!! We’re winning in Iraq!!!”

In fact, from Acting President Cheney’s POV, we won in Iraq as soon as those gigantic permanent U.S. military bases are protecting Iraq’s oil.

thank you, i am sure there are more misspellings on that list… and of course it is just the tip of the iceberg of more admirable people than hillary clinton and george bush.

Aw Hillary… you couldda been somebody. You have disappointed some of us.

Precisely. You couldda been… a contender.

Oopsie. Next!

and I don’t like the electoral college, either.

With an irrelevant primary, and living in a dark red state, I really don’t think that I’ve ever cast a meaningful vote for President in my entire life.

In response to Beerfart Liberal @ 26

“We’re wuinning in Iraq!! We’re winning in Iraq!!!”

In fact, from Acting President Cheney’s POV, we won in Iraq as soon as those gigantic permanent U.S. military bases are protecting Iraq’s cheney’s oil.

dick says….

Crowley’s a chowderhead.

Even if she has two Ph.Ds? *g*

So when do we get to vote for Jane, Christy, Marcy and Digby, etc? Although, Angelina would be on my list, too. :)

After I submitted, I thought I should have crossed out Iraq & put U.S., but your correction is more accurate.

“I coulda been a contender. I coulda had class. Instead I’m being treated like a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it…”

Even if she has two Ph.Ds? *g*

Doctor of Inane Letters?

Is there a doctorate available in cosmetology?

They belong in jail…………………

yeah, I think Hillary’s admirable too.
I just don’t think she’d make a good president, but I admire her for throwing her hat in the ring and making a strong run.

I just won’t vote for her, in the primary or the general.

Last throes, doncha know?

Yup. I’m stickin’ with it.

Hi, all.

why wasn’t Olbermann on that list?

“I coulda been a contender. I coulda had class. Instead I’m being treated like a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it…”

And how did Terry Malloy become a bum in On The Waterfront? By doing the wrong thing. By betraying everyone who had supported him.

Neat parallel.

OT question for eCAHN: You commented on the news article about US manufacturing exports. Do you think there is any chance that over the next few years US manufacturing capacity can ramp up enough to make exports a substantially larger proportion of US GDP?

Wasn’t it Gawd awful?

I don’t think Bush will be treated well by history for keeping us “safe” for seven years. I for one, feel less safe, knowing our military can be over run by private armies, knowing our government can be subverted by a criminal executive branch, and looking twice at my food.

In addition, there’s the lovely economy blossoming right now with the crocuses. (croci?)

and of course it is just the tip of the iceberg of more admirable people than hillary clinton and george bush

Yeah, 93% of the Philadephia white pages would qualify too.

As a matter of fact, I didn’t see any journalists, or even “journalists,” on that list.

Sorry, BillO…

correspondence school of partisan propaganda and marketing.

only 93%?

McLaughlin made the most sense on that show. Is that scary or what? Eleanor Clift and what’s his name just wanted to talk about Britneya and Paris and Lindsay. It fell to McLaughlin to provide some counterbalnce to Buchanan and Crowley.

Frankly, I don’t get the Clintons as Republicans thing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone, and I first voted in the LBJ-Goldwater election, less well liked by Republicans that Bill and Hillary Clinton. The street republicans I knew were talking about impeachment from the day he was elected, and it has continued through the present day. From what I know, Roosevelt may have been equally hated by Republicans, although there were far fewer of them.

republican policy-wise not tribe-wise.

±6.8% margin of error

Uhm, well: Welfare reform.

Stupie is CNN’s Man of the Year?
OMG.
Who the HELL did they poll?
Fox should welcome their new overlords in the fair and balanced arena.

But before anybody puts too much stake in it, the “Most Admired Man” was — George Bush.

how can anyone not laugh at that poll

sorry

My father had a term for folks like Crowley – “educated idiot.”

Depends on what you mean by manufacturing. Not the old unionized industries like autos & steel. More high tech oriented, and little assembly done in U.S. borders. Service exports are getting bigger & bigger, and it’s not just movies. Royalty & liscence payments to U.S. firms, for example, are counted in service exports and are a rapidly growing category last I looked. Of course, with the $ weak, exports will strengthen (and imports will weaken), but not enough to materially change the composition of the U.S. economy.

Good thing CNN wasn’t around in 1943.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone, and I first voted in the LBJ-Goldwater election, less well liked by Republicans that Bill and Hillary Clinton.

I’ve thought that a large part of that hatred stemmed from the fact that Clinton stole so many of the R policies, it made the Ds a less easy target. And he did it with a huge “I feel your pain” instead of in the mean way that Rs do it.

Didn’t she get her Ph. D. in Nixon?

That’s an excellent list ya got there!

All winners in my book… though i’d throw in Kucinich for good measure.

I’m going to switch sides on Hillary for purposes of this thread. I don’t like her and hope she isn’t the D candidate, but what’s not to admire about her accomplishments? She’s broken many glass ceilings, stood up to a powerful hate machine, and did it all with charm and dignity.

eCAHN, did you finish The Shock Doctrine? I’m just starting chapter 13.

LOL!!

Not sure. I know Diane Sawyer worked for Nixon after he resigned (and a bit before he resigned as well IIRC) but don’t really know Crowley’s background.

Yep, finally finished it. Unfortunately, Leonard Lopate did not read it before doing his interview of Yegor Gaidar on wnyc this afternoon.

Diane Sawyer’s another Wellesley alum. And a Jr. Miss Beauty contest winner before she came to Wellesley. She was a year behind me & the school was all abuzz about having a beauty contest winner in the mix.

707

And a Kentucky girl before Wellesley as well.

Didn’t know that about Diane.

Recently found out the Diane Sawyer is married to Mike Nichols. No wonder his films have been teh suck these past last few years…

They’ve been married for almost twenty years so I doubt if she is the cause of the decline in his movie making abilities.

Her wiki says she dated Henry Kissinger before marrying Nichols. Gag.

kdh22: I left you a question at the end of the last thread.

dated Henry Kissinger

For some reason, the concept of anyone dating Kissinger is dissonant for me.

well, Hillary is bought and paid for, so her website should be the most ad-mired, covered with corporate logos.

For some reason, the concept of anyone dating Kissinger is dissonant for me.

there is a distinct lack of sex appeal there.

Maybe with a paper bag over your head & ear plugs.

My late husband left Germany at exactly the same age as Kissinger (& for the same reason) and spoke completely unaccented English.

Okay, I understand your answer and selise @ 56. Whether he was right or wrong on things like NAFTA and welfare reform I have a hard time believing that his motives were fundamentally opposed to the common good as are those of current Republicans. Additionally, although I have always considered myself a liberal Democrat, from where I was it looked like an increasing majority of the electorate were progressively wringing the Democratic Party into oblivian with their capture of blue color workers, and continuous attacks on big government, and the “special interests” who supposedly comprised the Democratic Party. At any rate, I would prefer John Edwards but will support Hillary Clinton to the fullest and don’t want the support to be luke warm.

The Succubus takes time to finish her work properly…

;)

It may have been the “power is an aphrodisiac” thing but Kissinger is supposed to have dated some quite beautiful and intelligent women.

Whether he was right or wrong on things like NAFTA and welfare reform I have a hard time believing that his motives were fundamentally opposed to the common good as are those of current Republicans.

I agree with you. The problem has become that the Rs started from where Clinton left off & pushed even farther to the right, leaving progressives angry at Clinton for opening the door. If things had gone as they should, the downsides from NAFTA & welfare reform should have been fixed in subsequent legislation. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

He was famous for that. It must have been the accent and the PhD.

Leonard Lopate did not read it before doing his interview of Yegor Gaidar on wnyc this afternoon.

Started listening to this, but didn’t make it through to the end.

She’s actually right, as much as it pains me to say it. Has anything changed in regards Iraq? The Senate and the House cave on any Iraq bills. They keep sending him blank checks.

The same has been said about the Clenis.

covered with corporate logos

Politicians should wear logos of their corporate sponsors on their clothes, just like bicycle and NASCAR racers. And their clothes should be really tight and only in very garish colors. That would be fucking awesome!

His voice has always had a fingernails-on-blackboard quality about it to me. I just can’t stand listening to him speak. Too low, too grating, no inflection.

It would be very telling in oh so many ways!

Yeah! None of that fake codpiece crap like Bush in his costume. Only real equipment!

Crosstimbers
Here’s a good article on the Clinton’s & the right
http://www.boomantribune.com/s…../16304/352

OT If you are still looking for cameras

In reply to AstralTechnician:

I got this from the Jeremy Scahill interview transcript by Bill Moyers. I can’t do links (sorry). I think it supports the Clintons as Republican theme.

But let’s, lets remember here we’re talking about Blackwater right now because we have a Republican administration. For so many years, we had a Republican dominated Congress. Blackwater is certainly the beneficiary of the Republican monopoly in government. But this system has been bi-partisan for a very long time.

When Hillary Clinton’s husband was in the White House, he was an aggressive supporter of the privatization of the war machine. Bill Clinton used mercenary forces in the Balkans. Who do we think gave Dick Cheney’s company all of those contracts during the Nineties? We talk about Halliburton. It was Clinton. It was the Clinton administration. And and, Blackwater may be an extraordinary Republican company. But they’re gonna be around when there’s a Democrat in office.

Yea, that’s Camp Bondsteel which was supposed to be a temporary base, that just happens to be located along a major pipeline which was negotiated by Jim Baker — yea, that Jim Baker, i.e. the Bush family consigliere

And, two things most people don’t know about is that the Rendition program we’re all now familiar with was put into place by Bill under PDD 39 (google it). And that Gitmo was built under Bill’s administration

“Roosevelt may have been equally hated by Republicans, although there were far fewer of them.”

Yes they were called the “American Liberty League” and they had a failed coup “The Business Plot” to remove FDR. Thanks to Smedley Butler, a patriot, the American Liberty League was unsuccessful!
These wealthy industrialist feared FDR’s policies to no end and wanted him gone. The same wealthy industrialist made millions as a result of WWII, and propelled America into world leadership. “The Iraqi Oil Plan,” initiated by the current “soft like fascist trash” in the White House is a throwback to the “1933 Business Plot,” seldom if ever taught in America’s history classes.

Given the transfer of wealth needed to address healthcare, energy and education, this is a repeat in history. Corporations tax exempt or for profit now control our government, lock ,stock and barrel via PAC, tax exempt also, and will do anything to maintain power, including commandeering the US military,predicated on fabrications, at taxpayer’s expense and American blood, to keep their “cash cows” like cigarettes and our energy needs, lining their pockets, just like a “King and his corporate cohorts in colonial crime did to the American colonist.

Jefferson Quote:
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people.

Gallup should conduct a ‘Most Despised Man’ and ‘Most Despised Woman’ poll.

eCAHNomics@13:

“I think this is a poll on who gets the most press coverage.”

I think you hit the 20-penny-nail with the framing hammer. :o)

That’s hilarious!! LOLOL