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	<title>Comments on: Bush Economy Is One Big Lump Of Coal For Retailers</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/bush-economy-is-one-big-lump-of-coal-for-retailers/#comment-1166196</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Government bailouts are a sticky issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Carter’s admin loaned money and got it back with interest. The Fed will probably just keep handing out money like candy to banks with mortgage loan problems. It might work to some extent, but only for the Rich, not for the home owner who is thrown out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A more people-oriented policy would be to help families who are actually living in the one house they ‘own’ and to try to help lenders without risking much federal money. Who knows which approach is cheaper, but I think we’d all feel better helping families first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder what the Clinton admin thought the effects of repealing Glass-Steagal were going to be. They must have had some idea.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government bailouts are a sticky issue.</p>
<p>Carter’s admin loaned money and got it back with interest. The Fed will probably just keep handing out money like candy to banks with mortgage loan problems. It might work to some extent, but only for the Rich, not for the home owner who is thrown out.</p>
<p>A more people-oriented policy would be to help families who are actually living in the one house they ‘own’ and to try to help lenders without risking much federal money. Who knows which approach is cheaper, but I think we’d all feel better helping families first.</p>
<p>I wonder what the Clinton admin thought the effects of repealing Glass-Steagal were going to be. They must have had some idea.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/bush-economy-is-one-big-lump-of-coal-for-retailers/#comment-1166121</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Portland Oregon is a city that you can go without a car with their very advanced public transportation. I don’t have that option here in Phoenix, if it isn’t distance, it is the heat that prevents me from walking.
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&lt;p&gt;Oh come on. You know it’s just that you don’t want to give up your gas guzzling stretch Hummer limo. LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if a hybrid Hummer limo could even get 5 mpg.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I watched the evening news and they had a story about the Tesla luxury all-electric sports car. It’s probably over $100,000, so there’s no need for GM, Ford or Chrysler to get excited. But, just wait until they sell a bunch and move on to making cheaper cars!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When John Z. DeLorean tried to make inroads on MoTown they shut off his credit and even caught him in a dope deal. I wonder what they might do to set up today’s new car entrepreneurs. Nice folks in MoTown.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Bush is planning on selling a car that runs on a lump of coal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Portland Oregon is a city that you can go without a car with their very advanced public transportation. I don’t have that option here in Phoenix, if it isn’t distance, it is the heat that prevents me from walking.
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<p>Oh come on. You know it’s just that you don’t want to give up your gas guzzling stretch Hummer limo. LOL</p>
<p>I wonder if a hybrid Hummer limo could even get 5 mpg.</p>
<p>I watched the evening news and they had a story about the Tesla luxury all-electric sports car. It’s probably over $100,000, so there’s no need for GM, Ford or Chrysler to get excited. But, just wait until they sell a bunch and move on to making cheaper cars!</p>
<p>When John Z. DeLorean tried to make inroads on MoTown they shut off his credit and even caught him in a dope deal. I wonder what they might do to set up today’s new car entrepreneurs. Nice folks in MoTown.</p>
<p>Maybe Bush is planning on selling a car that runs on a lump of coal.</p>
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		<title>By: goldstandard</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hate to say it, but coal isn’t the word one would or should use when decribing the economy. Interesting piece at TPM. “”Contractors in Afghanistan Didn’t Have to Prove Purchases Actually Occurred”.&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder which way US tax dollars spin when being flushed down a toilet in Afghanistan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to say it, but coal isn’t the word one would or should use when decribing the economy. Interesting piece at TPM. “”Contractors in Afghanistan Didn’t Have to Prove Purchases Actually Occurred”.<br />
I wonder which way US tax dollars spin when being flushed down a toilet in Afghanistan?</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/26/bush-economy-is-one-big-lump-of-coal-for-retailers/#comment-1165774</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a lump of coal on prominent display in my living room.  Been there for years.  Sort of a special lump, though.  It was taken from the debris field left by the Titanic.  About the size of a cat’s eye shooter and shiny, it’s really strange looking at it and thinking about what it represents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll take that little lump of coal over whatever the Rethuglicans leave behind after they break up and end up lower than whale shit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lump of coal on prominent display in my living room.  Been there for years.  Sort of a special lump, though.  It was taken from the debris field left by the Titanic.  About the size of a cat’s eye shooter and shiny, it’s really strange looking at it and thinking about what it represents.</p>
<p>I’ll take that little lump of coal over whatever the Rethuglicans leave behind after they break up and end up lower than whale shit.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that’s a GREAT stat&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the fools in the gop however would claim that a president’s economic policy isn’t realized until the next president&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is patently untrue, reagans policy was intended to shrink the middle class, grow the upper class and lower class, that strategy worked in his term&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;clinton’s strategy was to grow the middle class, grow the upper class, shrink the lower class…this strategy also worked in his term&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bush 2’s strategy is the same as reagans and it’s worked once again&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that’s a GREAT stat</p>
<p>the fools in the gop however would claim that a president’s economic policy isn’t realized until the next president</p>
<p>this is patently untrue, reagans policy was intended to shrink the middle class, grow the upper class and lower class, that strategy worked in his term</p>
<p>clinton’s strategy was to grow the middle class, grow the upper class, shrink the lower class…this strategy also worked in his term</p>
<p>bush 2’s strategy is the same as reagans and it’s worked once again</p>
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		<title>By: ACitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cactus at the excellent site Angry Bear, he’s Phd in Economics, did a whole series of posts on how the economy has performed under each President going back to Eisenhower. He found, and this drove the wingnuts who infest his site that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the GDP performed at the average of Democratic Presidents for that entire period that the median income of Americans would now be&lt;strong&gt; twice&lt;/strong&gt; what it is today if every President had been a Democrat during that period.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your GOP….’good for business…’. Nah, jes another ‘conservative’ lie folks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus at the excellent site Angry Bear, he’s Phd in Economics, did a whole series of posts on how the economy has performed under each President going back to Eisenhower. He found, and this drove the wingnuts who infest his site that:</p>
<p>If the GDP performed at the average of Democratic Presidents for that entire period that the median income of Americans would now be<strong> twice</strong> what it is today if every President had been a Democrat during that period.</p>
<p>Your GOP….’good for business…’. Nah, jes another ‘conservative’ lie folks.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Animal House quotes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; D-Day: Hey, quit your blubberin’. When I get through with this baby you won’t even recognize it.&lt;br /&gt;
Otter: Flounder, you can’t spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up - you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.&lt;br /&gt;
Flounder: [crying] That’s easy for you to say! What am I going to tell Fred?&lt;br /&gt;
Otter: I’ll tell you what. We’ll tell Fred you were doing a great job taking care of his car, but you parked it out back last night and in the morning, it was gone. We report it to the police, D-Day takes care of the wreck, the insurance company buys your brother a new car.&lt;br /&gt;
Flounder: Will that work?&lt;br /&gt;
Otter: Hey, it’s gotta work better than the truth.&lt;br /&gt;
Bluto: [thrusting six-pack into Flounder’s hands] My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.&lt;br /&gt;
Otter: Better listen to him, Flounder, he’s in pre-med.&lt;br /&gt;
D-Day: [firing up blow-torch] There you go now, just leave everything to me. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes" rel="nofollow">Animal House quotes</a></p>
<blockquote><p> D-Day: Hey, quit your blubberin’. When I get through with this baby you won’t even recognize it.<br />
Otter: Flounder, you can’t spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up &#8211; you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.<br />
Flounder: [crying] That’s easy for you to say! What am I going to tell Fred?<br />
Otter: I’ll tell you what. We’ll tell Fred you were doing a great job taking care of his car, but you parked it out back last night and in the morning, it was gone. We report it to the police, D-Day takes care of the wreck, the insurance company buys your brother a new car.<br />
Flounder: Will that work?<br />
Otter: Hey, it’s gotta work better than the truth.<br />
Bluto: [thrusting six-pack into Flounder’s hands] My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.<br />
Otter: Better listen to him, Flounder, he’s in pre-med.<br />
D-Day: [firing up blow-torch] There you go now, just leave everything to me. </p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have mixed feelings on bailouts;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;there is nothing wrong with the government making investments&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;however those investments must return principle and dividend&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can see the scenario, chrysler out of bussiness produces less government revenue then chrysler in bussiness, but I don’t want “bailouts” I want “loans with interest” and that interest has to be higher then cost of living/inflation&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings on bailouts;</p>
<p>there is nothing wrong with the government making investments</p>
<p>however those investments must return principle and dividend</p>
<p>I can see the scenario, chrysler out of bussiness produces less government revenue then chrysler in bussiness, but I don’t want “bailouts” I want “loans with interest” and that interest has to be higher then cost of living/inflation</p>
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		<title>By: RockPaperScizzors</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockPaperScizzors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;but wasn’t the bailout paid back in dividends?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I’m not an expert on the bailout and agreements.&lt;br /&gt;
 “Although short of direct subsidisation, government backing for Chrysler debt proved the difference between corporate success and failure.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the kicker and the beginning of dismantling of the power of the middleclasses voice; the Unions: “Compensation package concessions made by the UAW figured prominently as a condition for the bailout. &lt;em&gt;There was an undercurrent of feeling that Chrysler workers were overpaid &lt;/em&gt;by national standards and should not be allowed additional cost of living adjustments until their company’s time of crisis was ended.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>but wasn’t the bailout paid back in dividends?</em><br />
I’m not an expert on the bailout and agreements.<br />
 “Although short of direct subsidisation, government backing for Chrysler debt proved the difference between corporate success and failure.”</p>
<p>Here’s the kicker and the beginning of dismantling of the power of the middleclasses voice; the Unions: “Compensation package concessions made by the UAW figured prominently as a condition for the bailout. <em>There was an undercurrent of feeling that Chrysler workers were overpaid </em>by national standards and should not be allowed additional cost of living adjustments until their company’s time of crisis was ended.”</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mr. Sunshine says it was Bluto talking to Flounder about the car….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sunshine says it was Bluto talking to Flounder about the car….</p>
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