The New York Times chose to spend Christmas reminding us of the obscene amounts Democratic consultants have been paid for their services in past Presidential campaigns. As in Bob "don’t worry, John, that Swiftboat thing — it’ll all blow over" Shrum:
Behind the scenes, they were fighting over the lucrative fees for handling Mr. Kerry’s television advertising. The campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, became so fed up over the squabbling that she told the consultants, led by Robert Shrum, one of the most prominent and highly paid figures in the business, to figure out how to split the money themselves.
Divvy it up they did. Though the final tally has never been publicly disclosed, interviews and records show that the five strategists and their firms ultimately took in nearly $9 million, the richest payday for any Democratic media consultants up to then and roughly what the Bush campaign paid its consultants for a more extensive ad campaign.
Mr. Shrum and his two partners, Tad Devine and Mike Donilon, walked away with $5 million of the total. And that was after Ms. Cahill, in the closing stages of the race that fall, diverted $1 million that would otherwise have gone to the consultants to buying more advertising time in what turned out to be an unsuccessful effort to defeat Mr. Bush.
Ah Tad Devine. Who went to Bolivia to help Goni get elected to the Presidency, as chronicled in the documentary "Our Brand is Crisis" (YouTube above). Who could forget the opening scenes of the film, of rioting and blood running in the streets of Bolivia, followed by Tad Devine standing on a corner wearing a sweater vest and talking into a cell phone saying shit like "This is the frame — we can brand crisis."
No it’s not a comedy, at least not intentionally so. (Though I challenge you to watch the scene of Jeremy Rosner sitting behind a two-way mirror typing frantically on his computer as they test messaging on a focus group of Bolivian farmers and not howl with laughter. It’s like something from a Christopher Guest movie.)
In the YouTube above, Rosner talks briefly about why he is in Bolivia, and his deeply felt conviction that Goni has the best program for raising Bolivia out of poverty. They managed to get him elected all right, by the slimmest of pluralities, but Goni tried to implement "Shock Doctrine" policies and was forced to resign shortly thereafter:
Goni, who was president from 1991-97 and from 2002-03, was forced out of office by the people of Bolivia for his violations of both human rights and democratic principles.
During his reign, Goni pushed neoliberal, export-oriented economic reforms onto the very poor and largely unwilling population of Bolivia. He privatized many of Bolivia’s state-owned enterprises, including the country’s national oil company which resulted in losses of $40 million/year in government revenues. He proposed tax increases on the working poor. He tried to further privatize Bolivia’s oil and gas sector, which would have led to the resources being sold back to the Bolivian people at much higher rates. Overall, his privatization policies led to higher unemployment, an increase in poverty levels, decreased national income, and a greater economic dependency on international institutions.
Goni’s disastrous economic policies led to may civil protests throughout the country. These protests were often met with military force.
- In Feb. 2003, police in La Paz went on strike partly in protest of the proposed tax increases, and the ensuing gun battle with the government troops, followed by civil protests, left 34 Bolivians dead.
- In Oct. 2003, the "Gas War" began in El Alto. Citizens protesting Goni’s plan to further privatize gas and oil were fired on by government troops trying to break apart their blockade of La Paz. Twenty-eight people were killed, and during the protests that followed in El Alto and La Paz, the military killed another 39 people.
Goni was forced out of office due to the massive protests he faced after the October massacre. He and two of his ministers fled to the U.S., where they have been living ever since. The Bolivian people have demanded that Goni and his cabinet ministers, who are responsible for these murders, be returned to their country to face the "Trial of Responsibility" that the Bolivian Congress authorized in 2004.
The Bolivian Supreme Court indicted Goni in February of this year. Goni lives in the United States, where he has been protected from extradition by the Bushies. Six law firms and human rights groups, however, recently filed suits in Maryland, demanding compensation for the families of those killed in the protest.
Anyway, I just wanted to make the point that these "Democratic consultants" aren’t just parasites on the American political process, they’re willing to spread their services around the globe. With predictably disastrous results.
For the right price, of course.



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These guys are insufferable. Why does anyone bother listening to these gas bags?
Jane, Merry Christmas Zed 2
i wish it was against the law for americans to fuck with other countries’ elections. whether by bombs or by other means, i’m not a fan of our policy of “regime change.”
I never understood how these people come up with these astronomical fees. And it’s not just gasbag political bobbleheads, it’s all sorts of “consultants”. It’s like once you get into the “in place” you just make up some 6 or 7 figure number and that’s your fee. No basis in reality and not related to performance. Look at CEO and top management pay.
The NYTimes story also has this quote from Shrum:
What Shrum should apologize for are all of the elections he lost.
Hill’s Boy, who came to the book salon, helped out Tony Blair. And they do Israel too.
But they write the best concession speeches in the business, especially Shrum.
I think my favorite moment from the ‘04 campaign was when Terry “The Genius” McCauliffe announced, oh — around 90 days out — that he would bring up the George W. Bush draft-dodging story every day before the election.
Great strategy Terry! It’s not like there was an actual war going on or anything.
penn got his ass kicked (rightly so, imo) by pach and marcy.
my consultants have advised me to wish everybody a Merry Christmas.
We kicked MarkiePooPenn. I wonder if it had an impact on him? Why does anyone listen to these creeps?
I despise retail politics. It’s way creepy and tacky.
It’s no wonder people have such low regard for politicians. They are so seedy and tacky to the last one it seems.
The real question is, what do these schmucks have that keeps getting them hired? Is it just a beltway bubble thing, or are there real questions of, say, access or something? It isn’t like they have a track record a consultant in a different field would want to trumpet.
Is it possible the people feel they must hire certain individuals to prevent their being hired by the opposition? So maybe it’s like extortion? Hire us or else?
When I saw the film a while back on Sundance and posted a comment about it no one seemed the least bit interested. HMMM.
They write a book and proclaim themselves experts at marketing… one of the biggest scams of the 20th century – MARKETING and then they say… I’m da best. Pay me or else you lose.
BTW, Carville is all over this movie.
See the Century of the Self, Mark Penn’is featured.
So they succeed in promoting themselves, rather than succeeding in promoting a candidate. In my experience self-promoters are narcissists… and not all that successful in doing much except self-promotion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/d…..self.shtml
Yeah it’s a must-see. Not so much as a movie but for the fact that they let this girl shoot them pretty much unfettered. I can’t imagine they knew how bad they would look.
Truly!
Given the track record of these folks, one would think a candidate would like them to be hired by the competition.
Was wondering why the “bottom-line” wasn’t considered regarding hiring consultants who are obviously not capable of delivering?
God, I really hate to say this but we deserve everything we get if that is what is being utilized as strategists.
what these consultants have is really really deep knowledge of shit. they know how what it smells like, what it tastes like and what it looks like. and they know how to SELL it. they are very confident about their chosen field of expertise, and it shows. when they walk into a room and they see a guy with shit for brains they know how to RELATE to him. they can BOND with him. and if the guy not only has shit for brains but really IS a shit they start pulling his dick and it’s all over. so, you see, there’s really no mystery to it.
schoeness weinachten to CTuttle if you came up from downstairs…..
But, see, they’re so good at selling themselves! They make it look inevitable!
Hey, Huck is the proof you don’t need a consultant if you can con them yourself!
That seems to be the thing… they aren’t professionals at selling candidates, they’re professionals at selling themselves. There’s a word that’s frequently applied here, but using it insults those honest folks to whom it literally, rather than metaphorically, applies.
Edward Teller likely knows the ol’ joke with the punchline that ends with the store owner in Alaska saying something along the lines of “nope, haven’t sold any refrigerators, but man, that refrigerator salesman, can he sell refrigerators….”
Maybe you are the Bob Shrum of film reviews.
-G
;)
Another Mafia of the Intelligentsia (along with doctors, lawyers & colleges).
Maybe an effective strategy would be just to look at the track records of these consultants before they open their mouths and try to sell the snake oil trick…
I mean, come on, wouldn’t be just that simple?….
An outcomes analysis. How radical is that!
Don’t forget architects… another group of self serving jerks who suck up to money like it’s blow from columbia.
This is interesting…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..eheadlines
See, it’s all about making, placing and buying ads and pols don’t have a clue so these jerks.. say, I do, I do and they get hired at ripoff rates.
They didn’t like Dean cos he didn’t need them. Grass roots and populists don’t mix with the hoy paloi.
Add architects to the list of Mafia of the Intelligentsia (MOI).
What distinguishes the MOI is the knowledge gap between buyer & seller, which gives the seller economic power.
Now that you know the principle, you can see how all the specific examples fit into the model.
When you have a cartel (which I call less flateringly Mafia because the customers are usually vulnerable), the customer gets both a higher price and a lower quality. The exact mix of the two depends on the specifics.
On the high fees, Shrum probably insists on getting paid by the pound.
Heh, Hoi Polloi…
Hey, whaddya gonna do, nice college boy, eh? Didn’t want to get mixed up in the Family business, huh?
We are all hoi polloi when we are customers of the MOI.
since it seem’s like most people are off eating their Christmas dinner i’d like to
digress here just a minute and say two things:
1. a very big thanks to Jane who’s keeping the toobs sizzlin’!
2. about Huckabee: i think that the biggest thing that makes the Village and the MSM pundits nervous about him is that he has the ability to present himself the way St. Ron did. maybe they don’t even realize it but i think he has that gift. i was just over at Glenn Greewald’s and watched Huckabee’s Christmas benediction. It was really smooth and struck the right tone for the fevered Republican brain. he just might take Iowa, New Hampshire, not so much, but once he get’s to South Carolina there’ll be hell to pay, i’m a thinkin’ ……
That actually suggests an interesting idea for a cable news show, for the brave network. Do a clone of whatever format you like, but instead of paring DC talking heads, seek out unconnected, intelligent people to talk or debate. Don’t repeat people too often. More work for the production assistants, but other shows manage to pull it off.
Well, next time we have a NYC area meetup, you must come & we’ll discuss the fine points of MOI. Especially since you’re in the category.
Mr. PhysioProf never asks a second favor once he’s refused the first, understood?
Dem, GOPer All these political consultants seem to think creating a “shock Doctrine” in a country is a good thing. They seem to think they can ” manage” the poor and make the rich richer.
But by dong so they shrink the middle class and then they shrink the size of the economic pie they fought so hard to get bigger slices from resulting in a net loss of pie.
My next question is when did the Mexican economy and political system become so popular with the elites in this country? Is keeping a stagnant do nothing ruling class propped up by reducing competition a good thing now?
My youngest brother’s late wife’s sister married a guy who works for Democratic Party campaign companies, mostly out of NYC and Seattle. He’s a videographer/copy writer.
We were watching John Kerry’s acceptance speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention on TV in Seattle. Kerry comes out on the RWB stage, does his salute thing, reporting for duty. My brother-in-law yells “You fucking idiots! We told you not to make him do that, we told you again and agian. I thought you fucking listened, you pricks!” He was pissed.
“It’s over before it started,” he said, shaking his head and clenching his fist.
Not making this up.
I digress…
Even though I really don’t need to eat any more food I am compelled to check out the frig for more goodies that I really don’t need right now…
Wishing the best to all the pups on the lake….
Merry Christmas!….
Now, now, it is Xmas… 8-)
more on bolivia in the context of argentina and iraq and torture and the usa (although not the consultants) from naomi klein at the lannan foundation on dec 12. introduced by laura flanders. amazing, not to be missed podcast.
Apropos nothing on this thread, I thought I’d share this, because I found it funny.
People who grow up believing certain things,
even if they later stop believing them,
may not quite realize how the beliefs sound to outsiders…
(SCENE: A small cottage in Nazareth.)
Joseph: Mary, my dearest fiancée, there’s something I’ve been meaning to talk to you about.
(Mary’s shoulders slump. Slowly, as if under a heavy burden, she turns around to face Joseph.)
Joseph: You seem to be getting fat around the waistline, and throwing up in the morning, and, er, not getting any periods. Which is odd, because it’s sort of like -
Mary: Yes! I’m pregnant! All right? I’m PREGNANT!
Joseph: How is that possible?
(Mary’s shoulders slump further.) Mary: How do you think?
Joseph: I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking you. I mean, you’re still a virgin, right?
(Mary looks up cautiously, and sees Joseph’s face looking blankly puzzled.)
Joseph: Well?
Mary: God did it.
Joseph: You had sex with -
Mary: No! Haha. Of course not. I mean, God just snapped his fingers and did one of those miracle things and made me pregnant.
Joseph: God made you pregnant.
Mary: (Starts to sweat.) Yes.
Joseph: Mary, that is just so… completely…
(Mary’s eyes squeeze shut.)
Joseph: …COOL!
(Mary opens her eyes again, cautiously.)
Mary: You think so?
Joseph: Of course! Who wouldn’t think so? Come on, we’ve got to tell everyone the news!
Mary: Maybe we should keep this between just the two of us -
Joseph: No, no, silly girl, this is way too important! Come on!
(Joseph grabs Mary’s wrist and drags her out of the house. SCENE: The gathering square of Nazareth. A dozen well-dressed men, and the town’s head rabbi, look on Joseph and Mary impatiently.)
Rabbi: What’s this all about, Joseph? I trust there’s a good reason for the fuss?
Joseph: Go ahead, Mary! Tell them what you told me.
Mary: Um… (She swallows.) God made me pregnant.
Rabbi, looking stern, yet understanding: Now, Joseph, you know you’re not supposed to do that before -
Joseph: No, no, you don’t get it! She’s still a virgin! God made her pregnant directly!
(There’s a long pause.)
Man #1: So, what you’re saying here, basically, is that Mary tells you she’s a virgin.
Joseph: Uh huh!
Man #2: And you haven’t had sex with her.
Joseph: Uh huh!
Man #3: And now she’s pregnant.
Joseph: Precisely!
Man #4: So you think that God did it.
Joseph: What other explanation could there be?
Rabbi: Joseph, that is just so… unbelievably…
(Mary holds her breath.)
Rabbi: NEAT!
(Mary exhales.)
Man #5: A miracle! A miracle right here in Nazareth!
Man #6: Wow! I thought that miracles only happened in Jerusalem!
Man #7: Come on! Let’s spread the good news!
(They depart. SCENE: Mary is alone with her friend, Betty, in Betty’s house.)
Betty: “God did it.”
Mary: I panicked! It was all I could think of!
Betty: So who’s the real -
(Mary lifts an eyebrow significantly. There’s a brief pause.)
Betty: Ah. So that’s why the rabbi went along with it.
Mary: Well, he thinks he’s the father, anyway. I suppose if I cast my mind back a few months, I can narrow it down to a couple of dozen candidates. Why, does it matter?
Betty: It puts some things in a different light.
Mary: Like what?
Betty: The rabbi has been telling all the pretty young girls that you, Mary, are the ultimate embodiment of feminine virtue, and when they grow up, they should be just like you -
Mary: I just feel so awful about the whole mess. What kind of thing is this to have hanging over my child’s life?
Betty: You’ve got to put things in perspective, dearie. You told one little white lie. It’s not as if you caused the fall of the Roman Empire.
Mary: But what if the Romans hear about it? I don’t want my baby to end up being crucified!
Betty: No one’s going to obsess about it that long. In a couple of months this whole thing will blow over.
Mary: I hope you’re right…
(Exeunt Omnes.)
Is it a requirement for Democratic “consultants” to be registered Republicans? Or does it just seem like it? I’m confused…
That John Kerry ‘reporting for duty’ was one of the worst, hammiest panders in political history.
-G
That’s a really radical idea. The way bookers work (my knowledge comes from being an economics talking head on cable business channels) is that they have scores of slots to fill, there aren’t very many bookers, meaning they’re really stressed, and it is VERY important that the guest does not fall flat. Therefore they call the same proven people over & over again. To break that cycle, the networks would have to put a lot more $$ into the part of the process of finding the interesting guests. (Oh, I forgot to mention that the bookers are so young their ears are dripping. They don’t even know what to ask proseptive guests to vett them.) And risk a failure. Can’t see that happening.
It sure was. I still cringe when I remember it…
There are due-dilligence protocols (competitive bidding, contacting previous customers, checking references, etc.) that are supposed to protect the consumer. And when the consumer is an well-funded organization, their due-dilligence team often includes architects and construction managers.
That said, the competing architectural teams can certainly pitch a fine grade of shit, especially when they start talking about aesthetic matters. I once visited someone whose office was in what was visibly a Frank Gerry building. (Corrogated tin here, bailing wire there.) So, I asked this guy how it was to spend one’s time in a Frank Gerry building. He replied, “Gerry may be a great architect, but he doesn’t know shit about designing buildings.)
I thought it was Dr. PhysioProf. I bow before your expertise.
He was certainly prescient… I remember groaning at that as a twenty-year Vet…
That’s a really radical idea.
I figured there had to be a reason it wouldn’t work.
What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully?
Good. Someday, and that day may never come, I’ll call upon you to do a service for me.
His company worked for Lieberman all the way through 2006. He quit and went back to Washington State to freelance with the people doing Darcy Buirner’s campaign in late August. Apparently she’s hired a better company this time around.
T’ank yoo Godfaddah.
Yeah, I think architects are second or third tier members of the MOI, for the reasons you list. In economics that situation is know as oligopoly-oligopsony, meaning few sellers against few customers. The outcome is indeterminant, but better for the customers than when they have NO organized defense against the seller.
I won’t ask what that might be.
Two goils I love and admire, but there are more.
Nothing at all, I wasn’t being disrespectful, I was wondering why the testy response to eCAHN…
We’ve known each other for many years but this is the first time you’ve ever come to me for counsel or for help.
You need to bone up on your knowledge of The Godfather as most of his statements are from that movie.
I believed in the American way and wanted to live by their rules.
Leave the gun, take the cannoli.
-G
Ah, Capiche…! ;-)
I assume he’s riffing on my Mafia of the Intelligentsia. PhysioProf let me know if I got it wrong.
Prego.
There’s cannoli? Save any for me?
Has there ever been a comment that doesn’t make you think about food?
Me too! Me too!
I’m Moe Green! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders.
-G
There is one Republican approach I agree with. Their approach in hiring and paying consultants. If Shrum were a Republican consultant(He might only be a Democrat because that’s the only business he can get), he’d have been shuffled off to the hinterlands long before the Kerry campaign. They don’t take too well to 2 time losers.
Well, that’s one concept it wouldn’t do us any harm to learn… And act on.
The Godfather was on Bravo last night. Godfather II is on tonight.
Not on the subject, but… Perhaps this has already been covered. I’m not here much. Did anyone catch the biography-doc of Ralph Nader on PBS? What’d you think?
There, fixed your typo.
Of course, but only when the topic is on a thread I understand well.
Cool, I can bone up on my apparent lack…! *g*
2 time losers.
I think Shrum has been on board sinking Democratic ships since 1980.
-G
Reality is, Dems haven’t taken too kindly to those (limited admittedly) consultants who have led victories at the Presidential level either. James Carville and Hamilton Jordan are not exactly popular names to mention in most Dem circles.
Of Ralph Nader? Not so much for the past 12 years or so… Earlier, a lot.
nothing left to say fahrender…. you just said it all ….
No, what did you think of the show
Haven’t seen it. Ah, remembering egregious, haven’t seen it yet.
It was an excellent show, I still much admire Ralph, I did vote for him in ‘04, Hawai’i overwhelmingly went to Kerry anyways… *g*
Well, thank heaven for that! I can’t hold you responsible for W if your state went to Kerry…
Can we have the Edit back or is that a non starter?
I hate the way the page loads… i think it’s the ads which dick it up.
Are the techies still a tweakin?
Didn’t see the PBS show, but did see him on BOO-TV talking about his memoir. He’s a holier-than-thou sort. Doesn’t realize that he has skills & talents that most don’t have, and therefore everyone would not necessarily turn out like him if they had the same upbringing.
That said, he’s done a lot for the country. And I don’t share the widely held lefty believe that he ruined the 00 election. Think W stole it.
I wonder if the consultants realize that Evo Morales got elected because the “shock doctrine” went to far? Our best chance of getting a real Lefty President and Congress elected is for Bush to keep doing unpopular things without anything to show for it.
But I’m sure the consultants who convinced the Dems to stick with a loser centerist message and the GOPers who tell their guys to beat the Center Dems because they won’t fight back are not thinking about Evo.
Which is good they will never know what hit them. Bush needs attention and needs to win, I know he is planning on doing something stupid and unpopular soon its his pattern.
The Center DEMs will not wake up until Hilary and maybe Obama start losing a few primary states to Edwards.
Speaking for architects of my acquaintance, you are exaggerating the amount of money made by the vast majority of them, those who are not Stararchitects.
Budget overruns are one of the predictable outcomes of projects as complex as a building, me thinks.
Hey — I’m still thrilled to have Preview back! My guess is they’re still working on it, but may have other stuff going on at this time of the year, so it may take a bit longer. (I’m lousy at patience too!)
Well, make that BOOK-TV, not BOO-TV, although there is something scarey about Nader’s single-mindednedd.
agreed.
and to return to the post, bob shrum didn’t help (and in many ways neither did gore or clinton)
Marion, irregardless, Ralph’s message resonates, he has the best policies, Foreign and Domestic… He’s not a dreamer, he’s a pragmatist…
“…8 techies tweakin’..”
On second thought, you might want to keep them away from the meth.
Well, yeah… But it would have been a HELL of a lot harder if Nader hadn’t been involved.
And therein lies the problem:
The NYTimes story also has this quote from Shrum:
“I don’t make any apologies for the fact that I managed to make a career out of something I love to do,” Mr. Shrum said.
As beak-dippers go, Shrummy ain’t no Tony Soprano…nor are the rest of ‘em.
does a trematode know it’s a trematode?
Doesn’t know shit about spelling his name, either. It’s Gehry.
Ralph’s take on the whole corporate take over is so true…and the sell out of both parties.
South America is pretty tired of Yanks and so they are moving left and the right wing is do the death squad thingy. The CIA figured that they could off Chavez but they goofed… again and he is proving that governments that serve the needs of the people are popular.
How about here please.
Hmmm. Sounds like the lefty’s shock doctrine.
it would have been a hell of a lot harder if gore had given nader supporters a reason to vote for him.
isn’t it possible that the problem wasn’t nader – but instead was that people had reason to support him?
There’s a whole bunch of star archies getting all the plum projects. And the rest is grunt work. Point well taken.
Well, that’s what we thought in 2006 and look at what it’s gotten us so far… Reid and Pelosi and not a whole lot else… May 2008 treat us better. (Yes, that was a prayer, a most fervent one too.)
Exactly, and if you watch the show, it was expressly pointed out the fallacy of that strawman…
that’s also the best chance for us to fall off the cliff into overt fascism.
no fucking way am i going to advocate other people pay that price.
You are right, he has that something that will appeal to the religious right. But, there is a faction within the Repug party that thinks he is too liberal wrt taxes and spending. I see this nomination process taking a good long while unless everyone all of a sudden catches onto McCain.
Nadar makes sense when he speaks most of the times. he was wrong that there wasn’t much diff between a Kerry and a W presidency. He needs to be spanked for that one.
But the dems should be land sliding the pukes not squeeking by so that Bush can steal it and make up some BS.
Be that as it may. It got us 8 years of shit.
We have fascism now but they call it democracy with a national security state interest at its coeur.
Nader ably points out that there really isn’t much that separates the two Parties…
Gracefully conceded and gratefully accepted.
Now for architects as members of MOI. The last MOI I met not in French sentence came out of the mouth of Miss Piggy. Seriously, I think we can find better analogous professions to Shrum and Co. If only because it takes an architect much longer to make the money they make.
Lawyers, anyone?
amen to that.
i just think nader hatred is sometimes a scapegoat for a dem failure of the ’90s – both policy failure and failure to defend the right of the people to choose their own president.
Yep he fingered that very early on.
The Dem Majority, we elected has caved at every crucial, critical juncture what else could explain that discreptancy…?
See my 29.
Someone else will have to defend architects, I have one waiting for me in the flesh. Bye all.
(((BlueStateRedHead and mr. BlueStateRedHead)))
Again, be that as it may, it still got us 8 years of shit. It’s now OUR job to make sure that there are clear, distinct, and easily articulated differences between us and the Repigs.
Au naturiel? Aloha!
yep. and it looks like it’s going to take a bunch of primaries to get us there.
Of course, it might help if the MSM ever helped articulate issues… Oh, sorry — that would require work. EEEEWWW… work sucks…
I think it is mislabeling to characterize what goes on in Congress as “the Dems caving”. What is really going on is there is a Republican/conservative Democratic coalition that very firmly controls the Senate and always gets what it wants, and less firmly controls the House, but still usually gets what it wants.
What you call “Dems caving” is really the inability of the progressive wing of the Democratic party to command support for its agenda. Accepting this reality is the first step towards effective electoral tactics for enacting a progressive agenda.
It is not particularly useful to attempt to shame conservative Dems into supporting a progressive agenda by accusing them of “caving”. What needs to be done is, if possible, to vote these people out of office and replace them with progressive Dems. The “cave” meme does not help with this project and, in my opinion, diverts attention away from useful effort.
You don’t have to pro or con a disaster. Every few years there is a flood down river where I used to live. If you insist on living in a flood zone or a country run by a Want to Be Fascist then you can expect problems of a certain nature and prepare for them.
Prepare for the worst and then be relieved when it doesn’t happen. But unless we can push the Dems to stop Bush, well then I have to think about the worse case scenario.
I would concur with that assessment, both of Hawai’i’s house critters are members of the Cong. Progressive Caucus… *g*
how then do you explain the unwillingness of the vast majority of the dems to tell us the truth?
how then do you explain who the dems alone choose as their congressional leadership?
the only explanation i can come up with that explains both these features is that the majority of dems in congress are complicit and the minority do not have an abundance of courage.
i agree that primaries are required. i just don’t see them as sufficient, so long as the vast majority of $$ is not going to go to our political allies. imo, the other critical thing we must do is to pull back the curtain from the political theater our dem senators and representatives are engaging in. they have been pretending to support us while fucking us over – and if we don’t expose that it will continue because we won’t be able to tell our allies from our enemies.
Yes a Lefty “Shock Doctrine” we can use this concept to push back against Bush going to far and giving the more radical elements of the 70%ers even more creditability with voters. After all we have been right and Bush has been wrong about almost everything for years.
If Bush does not start backing down will the 70% be 80% by the end of his term? Plus as more people become Lefties then it stands to reason that more people will go EXTREME Left. After all in every circle there are always some people who have to be the coolest, most fashionable, toughest, most EXTREME LEFT than anyone else.
Just what will an EXTREME Lefty look like? Heck I’m not sure I’m even comfortable with the idea. But the Bushies should be terrified of FDR style government coming back with an 80% approval rating and a government that works.
Mahalo, Selise, you’re always so succinct! Right now, my wife and son are at the ER, my son had a Grand Mal seizure… I have to hold the fort down… 8-(
Hope your kid is OK…. Be well.
CTuttle and family – hoping everything will be ok and sending positive thoughts to you and yours.
Glenn Greenwald: Former Clinton officials lobby for amnesty for FISA lawbreaking
It would have been better to have him in the tent pissing out, rather than outside the tent pissing in.
Dems didn’t fail in the ’90s. We didn’t succeed with sparklers and bells and dancing girls, but we didn’t fail either.
Where we failed in Nader’s eyes was in being too far to his Right. That his ego demands that an entire nation move his direction is a problem he should work on.
Still, there should easily be room in this big tent party for Nader and his supporters. That the Clintons, Gore’s and Kerry’s didn’t find a way to accomodate him has been a problem for all of us.
We need to hold our Left Wing together with the party, not just in words, but with actions. We also need to reach out to some Right-Leaning-Reagan-Dems who have become disgusted with the Conservative Bush Republicans and might like to lean the other direction for a while and we might even find common cause with some Libertarian types to give their interests voice and to help us win more Western states. It’s a stretch, but I think it’s possible.