On this Christmas Eve 2007 with a Bush entering his last year in the White House, my thoughts turn to the doings of another Bush fifteen years ago this very day, as he prepared to leave the White House:
President Bush granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.
Bush said Weinberger — who had been scheduled to go on trial in Washington January 5 on charges related to Iran-Contra — was a "true American patriot," who had served with "distinction" in a series of public positions since the late 1960s.
"I am pardoning him not just out of compassion or to spare a 75-year-old patriot the torment of lengthy and costly legal proceedings, but to make it possible for him to receive the honor he deserves for his extraordinary service to our country," Bush said in a proclamation granting executive clemency.
The president also pardoned five other persons who already had pleaded guilty or had been indicted or convicted in connection with the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostages investigation. They were Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane; and Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, and Clair George, all former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency.
The Iran-Contra affair involved the secret sale of weapons to Iran (and crack cocaine in places like Los Angeles) in exchange for the release of American hostages held in Lebanon by pro-Iranian terrorists; the money from these sales was used to provide clandestine support for violent anti-communist coup plotters in Nicaragua known as the "Contras" at a time when it was illegal as hell due to the Boland Amendment (and the World Court agreed).
Iran-Contra was rather the opposite of the later "Clinton scandals" in that the public took it far more seriously than did Big Media — which tended to minimize it and its associated crimes in large part because the editorial boards of the New York Times and other Big Media outfits agreed with Reagan’s stance on the Contras. Reagan’s approval ratings tanked in its wake, and while they eventually recovered, the recovery didn’t particularly benefit George H. W. Bush in his 1988 presidential campaign, as if anything he was more strongly linked to Iran-Contra than was Reagan himself, whose reputation as a vacuous (and probably senile) manager served to give him an unearned aura of innocence. If not for the supremely sucky campaign run by Mike Dukakis (whose campaign manager, FOX Democrat Susan Estrich, managed to take a 17-point lead and turn it into an eight-point loss three months later), the fallout from Iran-Contra would have kept the Republicans out of the White House and likely prevented their 1994 takeover of Congress — which in turn would have among other things prevented the existence of Republican-coddling FOX News. But I digress.
The crowning irony here was that Ronald Reagan, under whose watch this all started, professed to oppose negotiating with hostage-takers and vehemently denied ever doing so — until he could no longer deny it and be taken seriously.
Of course, as with everything else, the Great Prevaricator was not being straight with us: There is abundant evidence to show that, just as Candidate Nixon sent Anna Chan Chennault to sabotage the 1968 Paris peace talks and prolong the Vietnam War just so the Democrats would lose that year, Candidate Reagan’s people worked with the Iranians to artificially prolong the captivity of the American hostages taken during the fall of the Shah just so he’d beat Jimmy Carter in 1980. (Oh, and by the way: While one of the Iran-Contra hostages, the Reverend Benjamin Weir, did get freed, three more people — Joseph Ciccipio, Frank Reed, and Edward Tracy — would later be taken in his place. Meanwhile, places in America like south central LA had mounds of crack dumped on them courtesy of the CIA’s Contra-aiding operatives — as the agency finally admitted in March of 1998 and again in May of 1999.)
The Reaganistas did everything they could to conceal this operation from us — and ironically, the cover-up efforts are what nearly brought them down. When that failed, it was up to Reagan’s successor, George Herbert Walker Bush — the father of the current White House occupant — to keep the persons indicted from seeing any actual punishment. Like the efforts of his son fifteen years later in protecting Scooter Libby, this was done not out of the goodness of his heart, but because of the very real danger that the indictees would implicate him in order to save their own skins. They were, as Iran-Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh would later say, the "firewall" between the Reagan-Bush team and punishment.
You will have noticed, in perusing this post, the prevalence of links from The Consortium news site. This is because Robert Parry, the editor of the site, was the guy who first broke the Iran-Contra story to American audiences when he worked for the AP and Newsweek. This didn’t get him a Pulitzer Prize, but it did get him all but ostracized by the corporate big-money press — you know, the people that hand out Pulitzers to people like Jeff Gerth and Judy Miller?
Right now, Parry’s trying to raise $50,000, the bare-bones minimum he needs so his site doesn’t go dark. It’d be nice if some of you could throw a few shekels (or euros, or even dollars) his way. Throw enough money at him — say, $100 — and he’ll send you an autographed copy of one of his books, a cheap deal at the price. Even if he’d done nothing else in his lifetime, he’d deserve it. (Thanks in advance if you do. And no, he has no idea who I am, much less that I’m doing this for him.)
May you all have a joyous festive season — and may it not be marred by any Christmas Eve Surprises like the one sprung on us in 1992!
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PW!
The list of pardons for a year from today is VERRRRY long.
Happy Zed to all and to all a good zed night.
Aw, Not four in a row… ? I’m in the zone…
Afghanistan is more productive today, than at any time since the Opium Wars…
Donation made. A Xmas gift I didn’t expect to give, but Parry deserves it.
We have to move by the end of the year. Our Xmas surprise was finding out our landlord was upside-down on his mortgage here and he’s having to do a “short sale,” and can we please get our asses out?
Let’s not forget that JFK, according to Halberstam, “created the greatest lying machine in history” to distort the truth about Vietnam and goes on to recall that LBJ likened the Vietnamese to “Mexicans who would sneak up to your porch and then into your living room if you let them”.
I’m so sorry. I hope you find something comparable right away.
A very Merry Xmas… That totally bites… 8-(
I think that the jerkwad from the Gillebrand post spent some time in England (caught on video here )
JFK really doesn’t get enough credit for that war. “We’ll stop them in Viet..naaam.” The Kennedy-ites really had LBJ by the political balls also.
Oh dear ThatGuy – what shocking news for you. What State are you in – surely you must have some redress legally i.e., adequate notice to vacate or some such sane protection from such cruel news by your careless landlord. Keep us posted and try not to let the rat fink owner get by with such cruel treatment. Mon dieu!
PW, do you mean to say that the phenomenon of the media minimizing the misdeeds of republicans is not a new one?
Best of luck in finding something else ThatGuy.
I’m the luckiest man on the face of the Earth tonight. I have an angel in my house. This angel… happens to have a name. And that name would be lahoma. Merry Christmas everyone
Hi OKK. Hi Lahoma.
OK, Caption Contest.
Merry Christmas to you and your belle, OK Kiddo.
Support for Parry: I’m in.
“…where’d this quarter come from?”
Merry Christmas from me and Miss Dog….
Last Christmas both my sons were laid off just before the holiday… Thankfully all the kids are employed.
You have to spend a LOT of time on your knees to get a cone-headed hat like this one.
hi katymine.
Merry and happy to all.
-G
LOL!!!
Oh, we’ve already found a place, we’re moving over the next week, the movers move the heavy stuff on the 29th. It was just such a pain in the ass, we LIKE this place and wanted to stay, this the third move in three years, all in winter, the second because an individual owner got caught upside down on this crap.
Whomever gets elected in ‘08 is really going to be fucked, but in addition to being the worst president ever by a country mile, Bush will probably go down as the guy whose policies were so inept, the ensuing results made the Great Depression look like Springtime in Paris. It’s gonna get rough.
human cannonball prepares for launch with midget helpers
Good reporting PW. You wrapped it all up nice and tight. There was a lot of crap to hide from Congress between The Company, Reagan, GHWBush, Negroponte, Abrams, Weinberger, and others.
I knew an army man then who was sent to help build an airbase in Honduras for the Contra War.
The Contra War was yet another Republican bullshit war with the Soviet Union playing an overrated bogeyman in our back yard. The neo-cons haven’t changed. In fact some of the same players have returned. BTW, the Sandinistas were democratically elected in a fair election after decades of the US puppet regime of the Somoza family. Again, so much for Democracy. Elect anyone you like as long as he or she is a US approved sock puppet.
Merry X-Box
oh damn that guy! what a xmas surprise – not even a 90 day notice? here’s hoping you manage to find a decent place at a decent rent and soon – oh yeah the economy sure is working for us all……
There are times I feel that I have been caught in a tape that keeps replaying the same story but with different versions with the same characters…. Lived in Greece during the Iran hostage situation and heard about it from the evacuees and the international media….
Hi back Betsy…. Miss Dog is eying my baked Brie with Oregon Blue Berry garnish
Beg to differ. They now do real wars instead of proxy wars.
Scaring the crap out of children. Its an esteemed Catholic Tradition.
OT. CNN’s programming tonight was all about mixing politics and religion. This trend makes me gag.
To watch Edwards, Obama, and Clinton be forced to answer the insane questions posed by Susan Malveaux made me climb the walls. This country is regressing rapidly. Torquemadas are next.
Example: She asked Obama whether God takes sides during military conflicts? Is God on our side? Unbelievable!!!
That was followed by an even more idiotic program the focus of which was to determine how Jesus Christ would vote on some relevant contemporary issues.
Get me out of here!
I stand corrected. Pardon my rhetoric. They are more ruthless, dishonest, nasty, corrupt, bloodthirsty and greedy with each turn. Merry X-Box
*Whispering* Now that we’re all dressed up in our Halloween costumes, you do the tricks and I’ll collect the treats.
Practice makes perfect.
…the war on xmas continues…
Oh, Shit! This one’s a girl.
Best one so far.
Have to agree. 707!
If you have been very good this year, my rod and my staff may comfort you.
susan madveaux is such a tool for rightwingers to use – seems cnn loves her for some reason….anyone else that stupid would’ve been shown the door by now!
Did you know Suzanne Malveaux’s sister is noted progressive Julianne Malveaux? Can you imagine the fights tomorrow over Christmas dinner?
“You’re a stenographer for Bush!”
“You’re a pinko!”
I rarely watch CNN any more. Too Faux-like. I watch Olbermann and that’s about it.
Lou Dobbs seems to like having her around, and it would seem that would be sufficient to keep her around.
you’re kidding!!! man that must be some house at holiday times…. i always wondered if they were related…
PW – kudos as (as usual) for your fine post. WRT Robert Parry and his excellent ConsortiumI’m in for fifty bucks now and again on the 1st. Gonna digg this and encourage fellow pups to help save Parry’s Consortium news website from disappearing.
There is a great right wing conspiracy that endeavors to mold the public into subservient and obedient cretins ever fearful of a wrathful sky god which will punish them for fondling their own anatomy. Keep ‘em stupid. If they aren’t stupid – try like hell to make ‘em stupid.
Susanne Malveaux used to be a reporter on the local NBC affiliate in Dee Cee, once upon a time.
Yeah, but your Bronc’s ain’t.
George Herbert Hoover Bush.
-G
I found it on Wikipedia. I figured they were related. I just never thought a Malveaux could be such a stupid, right-wing kool-aid drinker.
Evening all! Just hanging around, waiting for Santa.
Ahhhh…’nuther great one.
If you really want to see STUPID…linky these people are scary stupid.
PW – in about 91 (?) I sat a couple seats away from Cap at a July 4th concert. It made me so uncomfortable, I remember almost nothing else about the concert. Should’ve tried to get my money back.
Ding! That’s what I’ve been worrying about lately. The Roundup.
Hey me too!
Had a great evening with parents, children… we had a three generation present opening dinner that was over by 9:00 and lovely. I’m in a hotel not 1/2 mile from my parents. So nice.
Ah, but W’s scared of horses, and horses are scared of Cheney.
And I’ve been away, travelling for days, since Saturday. I miss everyone.
Chris
Was that Caspar Weinberger seated near you or The Captain from Captain and Tenille?
i’m hoping 2008 will be a better financial year for me as i have a few online blogs i want to contribute a ducat or 2 beginning with my FDL ;o)and a few more..
True, GM. Well, they can always do like the paniolos and use ATV’s instead of horsies. (Actually I expect Hummers crewed by Blackwater — no W or Dick allergies there!)
The former. I doubt I would’ve recognized the latter (or let it ruin the concert).
Love Will Keep Us Together
You’re right. They’ll both be in undisclosed locations. With Suzanne Malveaux in attendance, of course.
Oh, You Boy!
The funny thing is that George W. is set to re-enact the same pathos as his dear old distant daddy.
Running around saying the economy is fine while the financial house of cards is burning to the ground.
There’s one thing that really pisses people off is getting patronized by out of touch rich assholes.
-G
Speaking of Suzanne Malveaux, I pretty much stopped watching CNN last January, when she was subbing form Wolf, and spent the whole week saying “oh, is Pelosi like the groddiest Speaker evah?!?!?”.
Now this puzzling question remains: What kind of concert would appeal to both you and Caspar Weinfascist? Wagner was long dead, right?
Yeah, CNN jumped the shark when Malveaux said that Speaker Pelosi gave Bashar Assad of Syria a “big wet kiss”.
Poor Suzanne, she gets the Stockholm Award this year.
-G
Hopefully not Prussian Blue.
-G
hey madmom, check the website that christy linked to.
He retired to Bar Harbor. Blue Hill (the next town to me) has a 4th of July show that benefits the Bagaduce Lending Library, which is actually quite a remarkable organization (I sang bass in their chorale for a few years).
Malveaux translates roughly as “bad calves”
Bagaduce! Bagaduce! Will you do the Fandango?
Anatomic, or gastronomic?
Polite way of saying mad cow?
The closest we came would be “Missa Solemnis”. It took a very brave tenor to sing 5 against 4.
alimentary, my dear Watson.
I thought that was Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio.
L M A O !!!!
Whatever happened to Kathleen? She struck an occasional nerve with some, but I found her quite interesting. Did she go away mad or did she just go away?
I loved Bagaduce in The Partridge Family.
-G
I don’t know if I can stomach that answer. Gotta go with my gut feeling I guess.
I don’t know if I can stomach that answer. Gotta go with my gut feeling I guess.
don’t worry: it was just a bunch of tripe.
Oh man, I never (ever) saw an episode of The Partridge Family. It’s the name of a river very near here. (Never watched an episode of Brady Bunch, or a large number of other cultural iconic shows. In those days, I watched Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, Soap, and the original cast SNL. If I even have the chronology correct.
Not So Fast Freddie Thompson blames the sub-prime crisis on immigrants.
Clearly Fred wasn’t acting when he played the role of a fascist in the late 70’s.
Scapegoating others, sinking himself.
-G
I miss her also…She always supported her opinions with references and quotes. Kathleen, Mitch, and a few others “went away” about the same time, IIRC.
I fear so, and IMHO she knew a who lot about the I/P dispute. I’ve conjectured that this was she. I didn’t always agree, but she certainly brought a lot of perspective and information that was not readily available/apparent elsewhere. I miss her.
OMG a commercial on the “Family Network” for buttons that say… “Its ok to say Merry Christmas to me”
They are selling them plus bumper stickers
Yes, Bagadouche was a delightful lad then. Rather an obnoxious low brow character of late, however. Odd, how drug users – former or otherwise – often homogenize with the right wing which endeavors to condemn them to prison for eternity.
“Not So Fast Freddie Thompson blames the sub-prime crisis on immigrants.”
_____
No shit? Linky?
I was going to write a long comment about what Christmas means to me but I think I’ll just go watch “A Christmas Carol” instead.
The George C. Scott version.
God bless us everyone. Merry Christmas, firepups, and to all a goodnight.
Well, duh!
My lady and me are all snuggled up on the couch. The Christmas tree is all decked out in blue, green and purple bulbs. Our favorite colors. We’ve got six little cousins sprawled out on the rug watching a movie. Life for us simply doesn’t get any better. Got to get up and at ‘em early in the am to pick up our daughter at the airport in OK City. And when we get back, lahoma will have the Christmas ham ready. lahoma wishes me to say, from our hearts, Merry Christmas.
Never mind. Found one:
OKK, had no idea you & Lahoma had kids!
one thought, before retiring to, uhh, consume a bunch of stuff. back on my anti-consumerist soapbox.
remember that Far Side comic where the human is talking dog, and all the dog hears is “blah, blah, blah, Ginger!, blah blah, Ginger! blah…”?
…
nowadays we are bombarded with:
“blah, blah, blah, BUY!, blah blah, BUY! blah…”?
Among them, AK, whom I also miss.
“Merpy Xmas” (sorry, that’s a family tradition) to you and Lahoma (and assembled family)!
Gordon, the shows you watched were a little later in the decade.
If I recall, both Partridge and BB were late 60’s and early 70’s.
SNL hit mid 70’s and Soap and MHMH were in the late 70’s….Soap ran into the 80’s…as did various incarnations of SNL, each worse than the next.
All were groundbreaking shows though…….Edgier and culturally provocative……compared to the sweet and sappy Partridges and Brady’s.
-G
Hi OKK, Merry Christmas to you and Lahoma :-)
Bobby G, the link is embedded in the word ‘himself’ at the end of the post.
Thanks. Missed that.
What happened to AK?
-G
Through about 70 I was watching Avengers, Man From Uncle, I Spy, Smothers Brothers, “Say Goodnight Dick – ‘goodnight Dick’”… I don’t think either PF or BB were on then. Didn’t buy my first TV for a few years, and I think that’s when they were on (say late 70 to early 73). I firmly believe it was no loss.
‘night, pups. BobbyG be outa here. May you all have a great holiday!
Never before has a President and Vice President deserved to be impeached more than these.
Yet our Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, is working behind the scenes with House Democrats, not to build a consensus for impeachment, but to do just the opposite: to keep others from succeeding in their effort to hold this president accountable by means of impeachment.
With the FISA bill still looming in the Senate, and a new war funding bill passed with no structure in place to Bring our Troops Home, we have to show the leaders of the House and Senate that this is still our country.
Please read the petition to replace Pelosi with a Democratic Representative who will bring impeachment proceedings to the floor. A Question of Privilege under House Rules IX can declare the Speaker seat vacant.
It can be done, it must be done. We have waited long enough.
http://www.petitiononline.com/…..ition.html
Absolute garbage! And from Fred Thompson….Of Law And Order? Unbelievable.
IMHO, if any one group survives the usurious rate hikes and tricks that are clobbering sub prime borrowers it will be the immigrants. They’ve been through hell and back and they will do whatever it takes to hang on if it is possible to hang on. Thompson is a former crooked lobbyist AND a racist pig pandering for the idiot vote.
Pardon my replying to my own comment. I think that this is our Kathleen, and clearly she is a very informed commentator on I/P matters. I miss her input.
Just did the IMDB.
BB: 69-74
PF- 70-74
Come on get happy.
-G
I remember Laugh In and Flip Wilson and Sanford and Son and All in the Family and loved Carol Burnett.
over and over again I heard stupid things about undocumented persons. That they are collecting social services, welfare & bankrupting our hospitals. That they are the source of crime and trashing of the environment.
No one talks about what this country would look like without them. Social security and federal income tax revenues would be cut, state and local sales tax revenues would drop.
Yes, right. I thought that was she. Very impressive resume. She did get into some sparring matches with Mitch and some others. I did like her very much and I agreed with her POV almost always.
I will wager 100.00 payable to Blue America.. The FDL Kathleen is not the same Kathleen Christison.
I believe you are correct. And on all unrelated matters, Mitch was a valued contributer, too. But each ended up using FDL to push their side of the issue without respecting the FDL post, and I believe that’s why they are both gone, (though one was clearly less polemic and more documented than the other.)
I think you are correct. She was a first class commenter; no one line zingers from Kathleen.
Your petition deserves support:
IMHO, the prime issue in the Democratic primaries ought to be the replacement of Democratic leaders with folks who’ll repesent the rank-and-file of the Democratic party. Here’s a concrete push: http://www.petitiononline.com/…..ition.html
Right On. Thousands of undocumented workers with bogus SS numbers are paying millions into the system and they will never receive a penny from it. I have never heard a peep about this phenomenon in the MSM and I do not expect to.
I have no idea what happened, but several very good colleagues have left with some folks saying “don’t let the door catch you in the ass.” Even in the worst case, that’s not how it should happen. These folks made a major contribution.
Kathleen though brilliant, was very rude, imo. I am very glad she is no longer Queen blogus interruptus around these parts. I do sorely miss AK. jmho
I fear that as the economy continues to unravel the immigrants will become even more scapegoated.
Comments like that of Freddy Thompson are helping to further the animosity towards immigrants of all types.
It shows Fred for the shallow, ignorant race-baiting hate monger he would be as a leader.
-G
Pelosi has been making sure all the freshman congresscriters vote for her for Majority Leader. She has a weekly breakfast with the 2006 freshman class, making sure that they have committee assignments and legislation that will advance them in their districts. Heard this from my freshman congressman who pretty much game the the impression that Pelosi walks on water.
perhaps kathleen has a blog? does anyone here know? i’d be interested in looking at it…. she most certainly knew her shit and always backed up her thoughts
I don’t miss her early and often off topics without regard to the niceties, but I do miss her passion and her voice.
I agree…preaching to the choir is comfortable but doesn’t ultimately benefit the readers of the blog.
Merry,merry to all of you. Checking on things after travel. nice to be home for Christmas.
AK is back in the states for the time being, tending to dad’s health needs, and planning to return to Japan soon. Sounds like he is working too many hours to participate here.
true that but we can entertain more than 1 thought at a time….we all have our own ideas that may go against the grain – one shouldnt be ostracized for them imo
Let him know he’s missed here.
-G
Hey TB, any snacks tonight?
Thanks for this post and reminder, PW. Just tossed some largesse at consortiumnews. I’ve had that site bookmarked since before blogs existed, and I don’t visit it nearly often enough.
I must quibble, however, with your definition of the Iran Contra scandal, which corresponds to how most people define it. Profits from the sale of weapons to Iran constituted a tiny fraction of the overall flow of illegal, privately solicited funds flowing to the Contras. People focus on the weapons profits because they constitute the improbable nexus between what were, at the time, two essentially separate scandals — the Contra war and the arms-for-hostages deal.
The Contra war was always the greater outrage Constitutionally — by creating an extragovernmental web of financing for proxy wars of choice, which North and Secord termed “the Enterprise,” agents of the Reagan administration circumvented both Congress’s war-declaration power and its power of the purse.
In fact, when the secrets of the Enterprise began unraveling, North, Edwin Meese, and others deliberately decided to highlight the minor link between Iran arms-sales profits and Contra funding as an attempt to contain the true contours of the scandal. Unfortunately, the very name the scandal has taken on has helped them succeed.
(The role of drug money as an established component of the North-Secord network remains dubious, in my view, although drug money did undoubtedly find its way back to the Contras, as Parry’s pioneering journalism documented. But laundered contributions from the Saudis and donors such as the Sultan of Brunei were the real goldmines.)
My apologies. In my earlier post, #34, I meant to write Soledad O’Brien instead of Susan Malveaux. In the end it does not make much of a difference. Here is a part of a transcript of the questions she posed to John Edwards:
There was quite a little dustup that Republicans had in their debate over the question of evolution. So I’ll put the same question to you. Do you believe in evolution or do you believe in creationism?
JOHN EDWARDS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe in evolution.
O’BRIEN: What do you say to all the people — and there are millions of people who go to church every Sunday and who are told very clearly by their pastors that, in fact, the Earth was created in six days, that it’s about creationism? Are those people wrong? Are their pastors wrong?
EDWARDS: No. First of all, I grew up in the church and I grew up as a Southern Baptist, was baptized in the Baptist Church when I was very young, a teenager at the time. And I was taught many of the same things. And I think it’s perfectly possible to make our faith, my faith belief system consistent with a recognition that there is real science out there and scientific evidence of evolution. I don’t think those things are inconsistent. I think a belief in God and a belief in Christ, in my case, is not in any way inconsistent with that.
O’BRIEN: There are some people who say, well, it’s actually — isn’t it mutually exclusive? I mean, either man was created by, you know, from Adam’s rib or, in fact, that man came evolution-wise from apes? Aren’t the two mutually exclusive?
EDWARDS: No, I don’t think they are. Because the hand of God was in every step of what’s happened with man. The hand of God today is in every step of what happens with me and every human being that exists on this planet.
O’BRIEN: Do you think this is a Christian nation?
EDWARDS: No, I think this is a nation — I mean I’m a Christian; there are lots of Christians in United States of America. I mean, I have a deep and abiding love for my Lord, Jesus Christ, but that doesn’t mean that those who come from the Jewish faith, those who come from the Muslim faith, those who come from — those who don’t believe in the existence of God at all, that they don’t — that they’re not entitled to have their beliefs respected. They’re absolutely entitled to have their beliefs respected. It is one of the basis for which our democracy was founded.
For more of this discourse, including with Obama and Clinton:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..se.01.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..se.01.html
this is the link to the Soledad O’Brien religion/politics fest
Thanks, eCAHN!
Sorry I’m late — got back from the rellies later than I thought I would!
Terrific already signed hope all sign and we can take back America thank you for doing something
All native Americans is that so bad?
American history started long before the Colonials arrived on these shores. What little we are allowed to know about native american civilization was far less barbaric than our CIA and Military aggression. I am of European geneology and know we have a lot to learn from our the Americans of 25,000 years. The land was good and the planning was for 7 generations. The religions of Europe?
Tell your daddy and mommy to vote for John Edwards!
Okay okay, so it’s not so funny. But, it is important.
After learning about Joe Wilson’s War much later I began to wonder if some of the Contra money was going to Afghanistan. Since you mention Saudi money it would even make more sense.
Does anyone know?
And is Thompson saying that “illegal” immigrants are somehow able to qualify for these sub-prime loans and purchase houses without establishing residency? Most don’t even have bank accounts and send their hard earned cash back to Mexico.
So maybe he’s attacking legal immigrants who have residency?
Thompson the headless mansion owner!