Now that everyone in the free world knows 16 year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is up the spout, mother Lynn's book on parenting has apparently been shitcanned by its Christian publisher. In a subtly titled article, the Boston Herald.com says "Mama Spears book on parenting aborted."
Classy.
But the question of who gets to decide who a good mother is comes up with some frequency, as it did recently when Elizabeth Edwards decided to stay on the campaign trail. In addition to getting blasted by faithful husband and concern troll Jay Carney, she was on the receiving end of some mom blog rancour:
Elizabeth, I DON'T LIKE the choices you have made!
Take your kids home. Get off the campaign trail. Your husband is not going to be the candidate, and he is not going to be president. He is not ahead in the polls. He is not going to make it. We need a Democratic in office desperately, and you are harming that chance by going around saying negative things about the TOP candidates and splitting the vote. Worst of all, you are forcing your young children, who should be in school to ride in buses and talk to the press when they obviously don't want to. This election is NOT ABOUT THEM. They deserve some peace, not time with nannies and campaign-trail daycare providers, since, as the Times article describes, you don't have time to see them when you are busy campaigning too.
To which Elizabeth Edwards responded:
I want to be entirely clear. You don't get to say I am a terrible mother because you think you wouldn't make my choices in my situation. You don't get to say that my children don't want to be with us when you don't know them and when, parenthetically, you know that happy children can be periodically disagreeable. You don't get to judge me because you think you know exactly what you would do if you had my disease. I want to be really clear: you don't know. And if the sun always shines on you -- and I pray it does -- you will never know.
I don't know if Lynn Spears is a great mom or otherwise, but I imagine few of the CNN reporters who have gone all concern troll over the fate of Jamie Lynn do either. It's a lazy, misogynistic narrative that has at its heart the notion that a woman really just better stay home and take care of the kids. I notice that CNN isn't unwilling to exploit the situation and put the story into hyper-rotation.
There's also a good deal of classism going on with the reporting of the story. As if southern teenagers are the only ones who get pregnant. But I find it interesting that one candidate has internalized the Steve Gilliard lesson, i.e., talk about the things people want to talk about and insert your message:
"Apparently, she's going to have the child, and I think that is the right decision, a good decision, and I respect that and appreciate it," he told CBS News.
"I hope it is not an encouragement to other 16-year-olds who think that is the best course of action. But at the same time I'm not going to condemn her," continued Huckabee, a Southern Baptist minister who has been soaring in the polls lately due to increased support from Christian conservatives. "There'll be plenty of people in line to do that and I always look for the shortest lines.
Whatever you want to say about him, Huckabee is not a stupid man -- and he knows who he's talking to.
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I will!
Good for Elizabeth! And good for John. He should stay in this race until the end. Whether or not he wins, if the ideas in which he passionately believes are heard, and gain resonance.
I don’t know what a good mom is. But I do know I had one.
We in this house will take Edwards over what we are being force fed by the DLC, etc., any day.
shoulda read first. And fwiw, I’m a big Elizabeth Edwards fan
Edwards/Dodd, s’il vous plait.
Sounds like a plan to me!
Dodd and Edwards. I can deal with that.
Don’t you just love judgemental people. The self annointed deciders.
If the Spears girls were the first kids in show business to grow up and have some problems, maybe there would be a point to criticizing Lynn’s parenting skills. But they’re not.
Jamie isn’t the first teenager to get pregnant. Get over it. Britney isn’t the first adult to have substance abuse and/or mental heath issues. These are completely separate discussions than whether or not Lynn was a good mom. I have no idea if she was or not.
You can hear the “holier than thou” attitudes in the reporting.
Every problem in the world stems from bad mothering. /snark
BTW, if you want to read one hypothesis about why the above got to be such a popular meme, Mermaid & Minotaur by Dorothy Dinnerstein is a good place to start.
yummy
Really. Why sould I bother to think anymore? Mitt, McCain, and Huckabee can take care of that end of things. I’m in the rapture.
The Huckster is a lot of things…but stupid isn’t one of them…I suspect his IQ is well above average…”W” on the other hand is probably the only psychopath with a below average IQ who isn’t in prison.
Not to be judgmental or anything, I think the rap on Mrs. Spears is based not just on one pregnant daughter but the fact that she has two daughters having made very questionable decisions about motherhood (before and after). To then publish a book based on that flawed expertise seems a bit over the top.
Elizabeth Edwards is a great mother and has handled her critics with aplomb and class.
Edwards in ‘08!!
I had not read that response from Elizabeth Edwards. It’s simply wonderful.
And another bit of evidence that it would be such a relief to have the Edwardses in the White House.
The Edwardsian Era — sounds like a lovely time.
This, sadly, is our MSM in action. Selling shit to the masses who have been conditioned to slurp it up like yesterday’s $.99 Chinese-made, lead-filled toy at WalMart. But hey, it’s “on sale.”
I hate them. Who do they think they are, trying to impose their morally repugnant views on normal upstanding citizens? They deserve everything they get, the despicable creeps.
”W” on the other hand is probably the only psychopath with a below average IQ who isn’t in prison.
Yet….
Now to argue against my own ticket. I think Dodd would make a fine VP, however, he is also a fine Senator, and thus I wouldn’t want to lose him. Instead, make him Majority Leader. Maybe put Obama on as the VP, not because I like him, but because he is the antithesis to Dodd, iow, NOT a good Senator. What has he accomplished? We need leaders in the Senate, and he does not qualify. Of course, nor do 95% of them.
Couldn’t we just wait until he comes up for re-election and vote him out of the Senate? I’d rather not have someone who could be a crypto-neocon as VP.
It seems to me that this has more to do with the lack of serious sex education in this country than parenting. Abstinence only? Give me a break.
Edwards/”Rappin’ Mike” Gravel!!
Strange, but I really can’t think of a good V.P. match for Edwards…
Edwards/Edwards?
Edwards/Feingold
I think Dodd would be.
While Edwards is being all presidential, Dodd can do the dirty procedural work of restoring a culture of constitutionality and expertise to the executive branch. Cutting off the head of the fish of state is the easy part; curing the rot of the body is going to be a very difficult long-term project, one that I think Dodd would be suited to.
Shades of Joe Lieberman.
This election is NOT ABOUT THEM.
This isn’t true at all given that republicans and a large percentage of democrats have crapped on America for the past 7 years; that America is decidedly nothing like it was a decade ago or even a generation ago in terms of a moral country governed by the rule of law and a Constitution guaranteeing equality and individual liberty. These are things no longer inseparable from the concept of America and are no longer things Elizabeth’s children can count on.
So the 2008 election is entirely about the children and whether or not their parents are willing to do the work necessary to restore America to what it was and should be, to return AMerica to its principles and values and deliver America from criminals, despots, and plutocrats hell bent on taking whatever they feel like and leaving nothing behind. Elizabeth is doing exactly what she should be doing most to provide a better life for her children.
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I hate “sacrificing” a good Senator for the V.P. slot.
Is there a good governor out there?
Jackie and Dunlap opine on Jamie Lynn.
I must have lived in a differant world, when I was 16 we were all haveing sex, those of us that weren’t wanted to be
we’re givent the drive to procreate when we’re about 13, some religions even celebrate that bilogical fact
if we aren’t educated to understand what needs to be done to deal with this biological drive, we’rer obviously gonna get pregnant
can’t stop the sex drive, can’t happen
Dodd should give another run at majority leader in ‘09. With a pick up of 5-7 seats but short of 60, we will need a majority leader who can kick some butt.
OT
Retrospective on McGovern campaign on C-SPAN2, for those who lived thru it.
I have a great mom, and I’ve fucked up like nobody’s business for the better (or worst) part of half a century now…
Dodd is my first choice for President. But if he is not the nominee, I want him to stay in the Senate, hopefully as ML.
Shitfire! You GO, Elizabeth! :o)
Thanks, Jane. :o)
God, would I love to see Edwards stick an Iowa Primary win up these people’s asses.
Dodd will be great as Majority Leader, I’m sure not feeling that way about that Reid guy
I really do like the thought of Edwards/Dodd, but can they win? Edwards has the correct populist message, but I’m not convinced he can win the electoral college. Winning Iowa would help. Btw, the top story on msnbc this morning was comparing the two wealthy candidates: Edwards and Romney, and the different ideology they have taken from their wealth accumulation.
I say again, if Dodd is not at the top of the ticket, let him stay in the Senate. Otherwise, we have a Gooper governor appointing someone like Nancy Johnson or Chris Shays to that seat.
You and me both! That would be so sweet. Best of all, it could actually happen. Edwards has quite the team in Iowa.
OT The Guardian is reporting a major winter storm upper great plains/great lakes, fwiw
(((((JANE !)))) Thanks for this post and I encourage everyone to Digg it.
Meanwhile how about an Edwards/Obama ticket and keep dear Dodd in the senate where he serves with honor & dignity. ;~)
I think kucinich would make a great Speaker or majority leader.. Watching him rake Steny through the coals when he put impeachment on the House floor was one of the highlights of my House viewing year. Kucinich reads and writes bills, he obviously knows the rules and would use them well for progressives.
I don’t know a thing about the Spears family, but can I go out on a limb here and say that Bar Bush was a bad mom? Because she was.
I was just looking at some of Dodd’s voting record..It looks as if he is a big supporter of Big Ag and the ethanol lobby..seems kind of odd for a Conn. Senator.
Bruce Miroff on C-SPAN2 just gave a nod to netroots’ contribution to the new D party, and framed it in the McGovern transition of grassroots organization.
I don’t think Dennis had the personality to do the day to day grind of an administrative job. He also misses a lot of votes.
I can’t wait until we get to that point, when Democratic candidates know very well that if they betray the voters, they get chucked quick. A couple more election cycles should do the trick.
Love your idea about Kucinich as Speaker or majority leader ES! In the happy event President Edwards cottons to the Department of Peace idea of Kucinich, the diminutive Kucinich would make a great first DoP czar.
sorry to hear that about Big Ag. No one with any agricultural sense would support growing corn as a solution to our energy needs.
OT Are you ready for Elizabeth II on YouTube also in The Guardian. Her Christmas message will be broadcast there tomorrow.
I agree with what you say. As far as rating human beings, Elisabeth Edwards, rates in the top rank by every method I know to rate.
On the other hand, I do find myself ashamed when I hear MSM gloating over a teenage pregnancy, which could result in criminal charges for the teenage male involved. Actually, I don’t see any reason to feel anything other than sorrow. However, I’ve been somehwat dehumanized by the media and have to stop and think about what they are gloating over.
Sorry, Pete, you’re at least half wrong on this one.
The only part you’re right on is that abstinence-only sex education doesn’t help to reduce unplanned teen pregnancies.
As for the rest of it, any parent who relies on the schools to teach his/her kids to make smart choices about their sexuality has abdicated their responsibilities as a parent, and is ipso facto a bad parent.
It starts at home. And it ends at home.
If Jamie Lynn Spears gets canned by Nickelodeon, takes some the the money (well, all of it) that her ever-present Stage-mom reportedly got for “first pics” and moves back to Louisiana sans TV contracts, gets her life together via college or something, perhaps following Jody Foster/Brooke Sheilds model, she might have a chance at a normal life and maybe even a successful career. Her getting canned by Nick could be a wake-up call of monumental proportions if she can get emancipated from Momma. She has a chance, and her child does too.
I wish her the best, and that she finds what will make her and her child happy and well-adjusted.
The wind is howling here in SE Ohio, and it’s raining.
There are dandelions blooming in the grass…in December!?
Good source of fresh salad greens, has good source Vitamin C, don’t know about Dandelion Wine though. ;-)
Here is a recipe from a quick google
RahtBahstad;
Romney inherited his money.
Edwards inherited a chance to get a law degree from the University of North Carolina, and then make his by sueing big corporations for product liability.
iirc, the Spears girls father was a chronic alcoholic who cheated on his wife. Why is there no hue and cry about “bad fathering?”
Thank you, that looks good. Bookmarked it.
I would bet good money that the parents of many of the anti-Spears crowd were married and preggers at about that age. My MIL was and so were most of my Italian relatives.
Is it Jenna or Not Jenna who is pregnant?
The Edwardsian Era. Thank you Linda. We’d have an incredible role model, a mature woman who’s faced death–and understands mortality. Compared to the other spouses, it’s not even close.
As far as the Spears thing, why is adoption never even considered in America?? that’s one of the many neglected aspects, as well as all the poor teens who’ll be copying her.
Goddamn. Huckabee keeps acting like a decent human being. The man is smart, smart, smart. He could take it all if he keeps this up.
In reply to #2 also . . . thank DAWG Edwards is in this race, I’d about have to vote against the party if Shilary gets the nod.
Shilary reps all the things I find abhorrent about the beltway elite, be they of the left or right sides of the aisles.
She is NOT for we the people, and I just don’t understand how FDL, or any individuals, can think she DOES have the interest of the masses at heart.
I guess, if FDL and those individuals DO support Shilary, then THEY also don’t have the interests of the masses in their hearts.
And THAT my blogkins, about strips the thin veneer offa any progressive label bein postured to the world.
Oh, n Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to ALL, Jane, FDL, and the readers.
I’ll NOT let politics interfere with being a decent human being, at this time of year, or any other.
But if you don’t have my interest at heart, I can’t support you. *G*
Me too! And that was a great response by Elizabeth Edwards. In yo’ face x 2.
I really don’t believe that the media or for that matter the public at large is in a position to make a reasonable judgement of Mrs. Spears’ performance.
The only real information the press or public has at hand is this:
The two publicly known Spears children (don’t know if there are others) are, by commonly accepted standards, talented young women. That fact should be clear and conceded. Massive record sales by the elder and a major role in an ongoing televison series (on whatever network) by the younger are objective proof.
Mrs. Spears must have properly performed at least some of the duties of motherhood or her two daughters would never have arrived in the highly competitive world of show business.
Just getting your kid around to play ball or play in the band or whatever other constructive extra curricular they may be drawn to requires an attentive parent.
Helping your kids reach their potential is, I believe, a major part of good motherhood and/or fatherhood. The Spears kids didn’t do it alone. Bank on it.
I’ve seen kids with real ability; intellectual, athletic, artistic have no chance, in part, because of a parent(s) who simply couldn’t be bothered or who resented or saw little value in their child’s ability and/or interests.
That’s all any of us really know about Mrs. Spears.
Inasmuch as writing a book about parenting. It seems to me that would be taking a bit of a risk and could be seen as opportunistic. That’s a task best left to academics in the field.
But that’s not a condemnation. Opportunism can be viewed in many ways, some good some not so good.
From what I have heard about Lynn Spears’s book, it was not a book on parenting per se, but about being a parent of celebrity children. Could be wrong, but that doesn’t say anything about whether she is claiming to be an authority on parenting to me.
The unfortunate bigger issue to me is that with this situation and all the other entertainment offerings that feature unplanned pregnancies, there seems to be little effort to show the characters considering termination. Given how hard it is for real life teenage girls or even older single mothers to go it alone, it’s about time Hollywood and the media in general grew up and opened the discussion in a mature fashion.
After all, even nice girls get abortions.
I read that AOL had a survey and the majority of respondents would have an abortion in similar circumstances to the Spears girl.
Of course, most people can’t negotiate a million dollars for their baby’s first pics, either.