Ah, the Magna Carta. Holy document and fount of liberty and democracy and justice over eight centuries! Now the prized possession of (*gag*) the Carlyle Group! Surely such a wondrous thing must have sprung from the clean hands of utterly upright people, no?
Actually, the reality is that the Magna Carta was a cobbled-together mishmash that owed more to down-and-dirty feudal politics than to upright impulses. Simply put, England’s King at the time, a fellow named John, managed to tick off too many members of the Anglo-Norman nobility, and they fought back by forcing him to sign a document that reined in his estate-grabbing tendencies. They certainly didn’t intend for this piece of parchment to give any meaningful rights to the teeming mass of peasants that made up the bulk of England’s population at the time (it mentions "freemen", yet only around fifteen percent of persons in England were freemen, clergy or nobility; the majority of persons in England at the time were most decidedly not free, especially in the agricultural south where estates used cheap labor for farming). Yet just as flowers grow from cow manure, the Magna Carta, through its many amendments and reissuances, led to the foundation of the concept of universal human rights as we understand it today.
That story resonates with me because it shows that politics, dirty, smelly, agenda-ridden politics, has always been with us, and that positive change can come from the most unlikely sources – and sometimes out of plain dumb luck.
Let’s jump forward eight and a half centuries and look at the civil rights movement. When the bill that would become the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced in the House, Howard W. Smith of Virginia — a Dixiecrat who hated civil rights and wanted to sabotage the bill — expanded its scope to cover women as well as the other protected classes of people mentioned therein. This addition brought laughter from the (almost exclusively) male members of Congress when it was first read on the House floor. But the bill passed — and, as Lyndon Baines Johnson had sorrowfully predicted, the Democrats lost the South for a generation (actually, it’s been three generations so far: to this day have not gained it back, so strong is the race hatred), which in turn led to four decades of Republican dominance of the White House and Congress, a dominance that only now is finally cracking.
Fast-forward ten years: Ironically enough, Sam Ervin, one of the few Dixiecrats who didn’t jump to the Republican Party in the aftermath of the Civil Rights and Voting Right Acts, would wind up becoming a hero when he took his encyclopedic knowledge of the Constitution and of Congressional rules — things he had before used for the evil of upholding segregation and white supremacy — and used them this time for good, in presiding over the impeachment hearings of Richard M. Nixon.
Progress has never been strictly linear. Most of the time, it’s incremental — or it’s happening in one area while our attention is focused on another, and then takes us by surprise when it seems to flower all of a sudden when in fact it’s been building up to that point for some time.
By the way: One of the key people in making sure we found out about Reagan’s Iran-Contra scandal (where we sold arms to the Iranians to finance the bloodthirsty right-wing Contras in Nicaragua) is a guy named Robert Parry. He worked for Newsweek at the time. His reward? Being ostracized by Big Media and cast into the outer darkness, where he’s been producing his Consortium News website for over a decade now. Go help him out — he needs and deserves it.
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cows!
…and sausage
more than a little irony in Mr. Rubenstein’s purchase
And a cheery good morning to you, PW!
And now over to consortium news for a donation, as you recommended.
Can’t any of our plans to restore rule of law and the Constitution go smoothly? Does it ALWAYS have to be a chore?
The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots.
So yes, it’s always hard.
Thanks, Egregious! :-)
By the way, speaking of unexpected things: Shall we play “Guess the Gay Homophobic Republican Senator” this morning?
Wow, it’s the Turdblossom Sutra.
That’s exactly it. Progress takes blood, sweat, tears, and toil.
Om mani poopy hum!
why do I have a feeling there were a group of guys standing around a bonfire last night… ?
Yet another one?
Lemme guess…Chuck Grassley!
COWABUNGA!!
Yupper.
Excellent post PW. You’re right on the money about the Magna Carta (could have sustained feudalism at the cost of the rise of nation states), Sam Ervin (wish he were hear to deal with BushCo), and as implied, Lyndon Johnson. Johnson would never have been elected repeatedly in the House or Senate, if he had pushed civil rights from this state positions.
I once had a full day discussion with Ray Roberts, a retired congressman from north Texas. He had worked on the staffs of both Sam Rayburn and Lyndon Johnson, as well as in New Deal programs, before winning a House seat. He told me that, when the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 was coming up for a vote in the House, Johnson, whom Roberts called “Chief,” called him and told him he expected him to vote for it.
Roberts said, “Chief, you know my constituency. They’ll throw me out if I vote for that.”
Johnson said, “Well, I need your vote for it and you know I helped you get your McKinney VA Hospital.”
Roberts said, “If that’s the price, Chief, I just can’t pay it.”
Johnson told him the was depending on his vote and hung up.
Roberts told me, “The Civil Rights Act passed on July 2, 1964 and the McKinney VA Hospital closed on July 3, 1964.”
Nice post- and a good reminder that significant change happens VERY slowly.
In twenty years people won’t believe that there was ever an issue about gay marriage- and the war on global warming will be a fact of life.
The heart of conservatism is deep regard for the status quo- whatever it is.
Well a surprise candidate leaves out the “usual suspects” such as Toothless Mitch and Huckleberry Graham.
So for wild speculation, I’ll submit some of the more self-righteous southerners. Folks like:
Saxby Chandless
Jeff Sessions
Richard Shelby
John Cornyn.
For really wild speculation there are Liddy Dole and Kay Bailey Hutchison.
But Orrin Hatch probably is in the “running” as well.
So many arrogant hypocrits, it is difficult to narrow it done to just one though.
Hey, E, if you’re willing, would you please email me off-FDL at barbara at clotheslineblog dot com?
talk about another two bucks tax on cigarettes. Texas taxing strip clubs five bucks per customer visit. Government fixin to drive sin back underground where it belongs….
Look soon for clandestine cigarette gangs in a neighborhood near you will speakeasy strip clubs in the garage.
Here’s a money making idea, cigarette machine rentals….people come in and rent a commercial cigarette making machine for a half an hour and make thousands of cigarettes THEMSELVES- no tax.
I quit smoking a couple of years ago- but there are lots of people still puffin who really don’t need to be charged $10 a pack.
ygm
OT –
Bill Strauss, co-founder of The Capitol Steps and also scholar of American history, died this week. His obit from the WaPo is here. I enjoyed the parodies of the Capitol Steps for years, and used Strauss’ work on generations and history in my dissertation.
Rest in peace, Bill.
Orrin Hatch. A gay friend told me about him many years ago.
I understand the Carlyle Group paid $21.3M for their copy of the 1297 AD document. I figure they might as well pay for it, since they’re destroying it anyway.
It sounds like they may have been ripped off. I thought the Magna Carta was signed in 1215.
Reddit has some Carlyle Group gossip today. Here is one that links Marvin and Neil Bushie to profitable Iraq contracts. There are also Homeland Stupidity contracts, for spying on Americans, that may be going to Carlyle and “Winston Partners”. Also it is claimed Uncle William Bushie is a major war profiteer.
And lest we forget. David Bubenstein
is on the Board of Trustees of the University of Chicago.
So, maybe they’re going to subject the Magna Carta to The Shock Doctrine.
After they waterboard it.
Just when Big Medicine is closed for the holidays, I need eyeball socket reconstruction. Ghastly whiplash incurred from my eyeballs trying to read the above article.
T-H-E C-A-R-L-Y-L-e group!!! The Carlyle Group!!! Oh No! All I have to say is “Thank God there are other copies still held in hopefully more reputable hands.”
AAAAaaagh!
mass of peasants that made up the bulk of England’s population at the time (it mentions “freemen”, yet only around fifteen percent of persons in England were freemen, clergy or nobility; the majority of persons in England at the time were most decidedly not free,
FIFTEEN per cent? What in the world would the Carlyle Group want with such a liberal goddamned piece of paper?
I mean, if it was talking about ONE per cent, I could understand.
Thanks for the story, CT. That’s true hardball, it is.
This is the sort of hardball tacticianship that LBJ used to take the Senate, which for decades had taken a back seat to the House, and turn it into a body more powerful than the House and on a par with the Presidency itself. If LBJ were running the Senate now Bush would be in a corner clutching his Teddy bear and impeachment proceedings would be happening. (On edit: Though admittedly, LBJ probably would have initially backed Bush’s war — however, just as he realized his mistake and worked to push the Paris peace talks in 1968 (the same ones Nixon sent Anna Chan Chennault to sabotage), he would have come around much as Murtha and Edwards and Gephardt did.)
Heh!
Lol. I wonder if we’ll next hear Ms. Perrino announcing that the President has decided to repeal the Magna Carta and told the British that his dad owns it and they have no say in the matter.
holy cow, i went to get a hair cut and had to wait like 40 minutes in line. i had way too much coffee to wait that long!
From what I’ve read from various sources, there were multiple iterations of the Magna Charta starting with the first in 1215.
One of the few benefits of being bald is going to get a haircut and having folks be able to “squeeze me in” while also styling someone else’s hair.
Probably so, but it sounded like I was going to have to go back and subtract two points from several history exams which are almost as old as the Magna Carta.
here is a copy :D
I <3 internets
NPR did a story of the auction of the Magna Carta document. Ross Perot’s organization sold it so they could use the money for their Foundation work which was specifically mentioned, but I don’t recall what the charitable work was. David Rubenstein of the Caryle Group purchased the copy of the Magna Carta and plans to give or keep it at the National Archives. He can see the Nat’l Archives from his office in Washington.
s/hers/here
/me looks for edit button
I really wish someone, who knows law, would sit down and “reconstruct” for us the constitution (with a small “c”) that the bush fiends are operating from. It would be interesting to see what’s left of the Constitution, how it’s been “reinterpreted” and so on. Or has that already been done? Perhaps by Hugh?
I wonder how many people would really sign on to such a travesty. But it might be helpful in convincing them that it is a travesty.
Sad situation. OTOH, it’s what’s called party discipline. How many people do you think had the nerve to cross Lyndon Johnson? How many crossed Tip O’Neil or Sam Rayburn? How many regularly make a total ass of Nancy Pelosi? Maybe she should try using some party discipline once in a while.
Never being willing to leave a blank answer on an exam, I believe that on a fill-in-the-blank history exam I identified the Magna Carta as a ship. Clearly, I never got the two points in the first place.
So this is what Wingnuts cook: Cow pies. “Do ya want that ala mode or jest plain?”
I’m telling you people they’ve burned it!
This is all I know:
One thing about the Magna Carta in question…isn’t it one of about 17?? I think Perot sold it as a statement.
17 – and the only one in the US, the only one in private hands, I believe, as well.
Got to admit I would love that! But are Mormons allowed to be gay?
I also thought this Senator was supposed to be Linsay Graham?
The last surviving 13th century copy of the Magna Carta in private hands has been put up for auction by its owner, the maverick Texan billionaire and former US presidential candidate Ross Perot.
Ross Perot’s copy of the Magna Carta
The vellum document is unreadable in places
The sale – potentially the last time one of the 17 known copies of one of Britain’s greatest historical documents goes under the hammer – is likely to stir huge interest from both private and public collections and Sotheby’s, which will sell the single sheet of vellum in New York in December, has put an estimate of £15 million on it.
Just four copies of the original Magna Carta, issued in 1215 by the chancery of King John limiting the monarch’s powers and binding him to the rule of law, survive. (snip)
Other than Mr Perot’s, the only version outside Britain – it too is from 1297 – is in the National library of Australia which acquired it in the 1950s.
(snip)
Now owned by his family foundation, it has been on loan to the National Archives, Washington DC, for the past 20 years, displayed because of its importance, alongside the American Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The foundation, of which Mr Perot is president, says that it is selling to make funds available for other charitable work, including education, medicine and assisting wounded soldiers and their families.
For more details, see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..gna125.xml
Yes, Dakine is right @ 35. Wikipidia says the original signed by John 1 in 1215. We all memorized John 1, Runneymede, 1215. A second version was signed after Hohns death by Henry III. The final version was signed by Edward 1 (”Longshanks” in Braveheart), in 1297.
Sounds like you guys are up to your eyebrows in sin taxes!
Not really John 1 since there hasn’t been another one (allegedly because he was so hopeless as a monarch)
Yes, of course you’re right. I’ll lay it off as a typo as my later reference to “Hohn’s” death. I was giving the German pronunciation, phonetically. I really used to edit more carefully when I had to use Whiteout.
Good morning Phoenix Woman! Terrific post. Thank you.
Thanks for pointing out that southern Republicans (I figure 90%) are the same old Dixiecrat racists. Nothing there has changed other than they are careful not to use the “n” word in public and openly suggest ruling by fear. Coming from one such southern family, whom I love dearly, I hear this every time I visit. I am laughed at as the California Liberal.
Directly after Katrina a statement spoken out loud was, “Shoot them so they don’t come in here (Metairie).” “Let them drown in New Orleans”. “They are too lazy to help themselves.” “Send them all to Texas.” “We’re better off without them.”
When I mentioned this to Nevada and California Democrats they said this was an exaggeration. The south has come a long ways and Republicans weren’t really racists first, Republican second.
I still don’t think Americans take the hardcore racism in the South seriously. In my family, the kids go to private schools to avoid a “mixed” public school. They live in all white neighborhoods. At parties everyone is white. At weddings, everyone is white.
But true to their southern roots, on the surface, in public, they are polite. Very polite. You would never have an inkling of what is actively beneath the surface.
Some of us learned to type with carbon paper and onion skin [drafted child labor in Dad’s law office]. There’s a good incentive to get it right the first time when you have to correct each mistake 4 times.
here is a fun way to learn to type.
Kids go to private schools everywhere to avoid hispanic and/or black kids.
I took my daughter to enroll her in a nearly all black high school in Dallas and the (black) principal told me—”Don’t enroll her here- it would be dangerous”.
Here is California kids go to private schools to avoid the rising hispanic and gang related populations. Parents don’t think their kids would be safe.
Another story Ray Roberts told me was that on Dec. 7, 1941, they had to send the VA State Police out to find Speaker Sam Rayburn who was with some lady in a cabin on land owned by the Governor of Virginia. This would have been slightly before the famous film clip of Rayburn sitting behind FDR as FDR makes the famous “day of infamy” speech.
I didn’t care to hear the story, because I had always admired Rayburn. But, that’s what he said.
Not only would we not sign on to it, we would rise up and revolt against it.
I’m telling you people they’ve burned it!
My guess: They’ve made copies to paste above each urinal in the exec men’s bathroom. Serves two opposing purposes:
a) comedic
b) but also as a daily reminder of “The Bad Old Days”
FIFTEEN goddamned percent?
I suggest a work slowdown until Edit is restored.
But as a reminder that returning to the “bad old days” is the objective.
Of course!!! Sorry if I sounded as if I would put up with anything less that the one we currently have, but I meant for the 24% who approve of bush.
Thanks for that clarification. Sometimes I’m thinking aloud and presuming certain assumptions… which obviously – aren’t obvious.
i try to.
If I go any slower they’re gonna tow me away.
but remember that preview is your good friend.
There are some out-of-control dangerous schools and I wouldn’t want my kids in them for safety reasons as well as a poorer education when teachers are spending their time solving violent disputes among students. No way. But it begs the question, why are these schools violent? It isn’t just poverty or rundown neighborhoods, though they contribute.
Here is one theory. At one time violence was under the domain of whites. They conducted most violent acts. As the country became more ethnically diverse, other cultures joined in acting out violence. Whites resorted to a legal system to do the acts of violence for them (long term jail time for nonwhites). You would think humans evolved somewhat but instead the same violent disputes that humans have used for thousands of years, continues.
What went awry in the evolutions of humans?
I think something like that is right. I’m not sure if white people are as conscious of the racism as they were in the past. I think they’ve come to view it sort of as Republicanism, and in their mind it’s synonymous with things like a lot of the other values to which they pay lip service. The thing I’ve noticed is that, if there are no black people around, many white people are likely to spout their Republican opinions, apparently without thought that anyone around them may disagree. If you are white, they tend to assume your Republican. I have noticed a whole lot fewer GWB stickers and support the troops magnets on cars.
Don’t Laugh!
Wow! But I bet the blacks know exactly “what is actively beneath the surface.” I come from Gary, In. originally, and went to school at IU Northwest, in which there was a plurality of black students. As part of the college experience, we had some rap sessions that went into the subject of the “black experience” and discussed some subjects such as what was going on in Caro, IL (this was in the very early ’70s). I gotta admit, I was a little shocked at how citizens could be treated in an American city regardless of race. But several students verified each other’s stories of visiting relatives in Caro, and being rousted from their beds in the middle of the night without a warrant or probable cause, of being out after dark bouncing a ball and being approached by police. It seems there was a curfew of nightfall that visiting relatives weren’t familiar with. I was one of the only whites around, and they weren’t talking about these things just to impress little old me, but I was quite appalled and disheartened. It’s just too easy to lose freedoms in this country if you don’t fight to keep them.
“What went awry in the evolutions of humans?”
Exponential population growth rate concomitant with exponential expansion of the dissemination of scientific/technological information, lethally encumbered by a lack of similar growth in individual and aggregate moral intellect. We are far to “clever” for our own good, given that we remain dangerously morally primitive. Such may well spell our doom — at least our decimation in the not too far distant future.
Thank you so much, Ann, for telling this account. You will not find it in history books. We are back to oral history accounts of reality. Sometimes I feel blog sites are really minstrels (troubadours) keeping events alive through the oral tradition.
This whole concept is just so alien to me. I went to a parochial (Roman Catholic) school from 1st grade throughout high school, and they accepted black kids, mexican kids, even the kids of the Russian Orthodox priest from the church across the street from ours (they did not have to participate in religion classes.) Our nuns did not ever advocate any form of prejudice. They stressed that Catholic had been known to be the victims of prejudice and should therefore loath it. Thank God for our nuns and priests in those schools.
Am I the only one wrapping presents this afternoon?
Wanted to clarify which direction you were going. *g*
Heh! They’d probably like it! You know how they’re always saying to go easy on the servers. I think it might defeat the purpose!
I think the objective would be to piss on the Magna Carta!
;)
I’d like to add further from my studies of primitive peoples, they have it together far better than we do. The more complex society became the more disconnected we became. Primitive peoples have a set of behavior they all live by that works for the benefit of all. We are not morally primitive; we are morally depraved. We spiraled downward as we became, as you put it “so smart” so we can destroy in a way never imagined. At one time people would simply self-destruct. Not modern critters, we take the rest of the world with us.
Wyoming became the first state to allow women to vote in a similar story to the one you describe about the Civil Rights act. The short story is that Wyoming didn’t have enough eligible voters to become a state, and in trying to get around this, someone at the territorial legislature suggested that women be allowed to vote. During the ensuing laughter, someone suggested they vote on it. A bunch of sarcastic yes votes were cast, and then it was found out that it was legal vote.
OT and possibly already a topic, Mike Gravel does rap with the flag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..avel-raps/
I love it.
:D Forget Adam Smith. Now that’s what I call the Invisible Hand at work.
Here’s another fun way to learn to type.
ha ha, thats’ great!
lol
Morning gang. GOP Senator Ted Stevens now has a challenger for the GOP primary – Anchorage real estate developer and Club for Growth member David Cuddy. Cuddy lost the primary to Stevens last time around.
Yeah. See the works of Nassim Nicholas Taleb, e.g., “Fooled by Randomness…”
Basically, we still operate hampered by a subliminal hunter-gatherer risk/reward shoot-ready-aim ethos woefully inadequate for the complexities of current and future life. May well take us down.
Michael O’Hanlon has an op-chart which some of his grad assistants maintain up at the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ref=slogin
This continues the NYT’s tradition of giving free space to any neocon wanting to vent. So what’s the good news?
Except of course that this isn’t true. The Sunni insurgency has decreased attacks on American troops because we are actively arming and organizing them in Anbar and elsewhere. There is a also a truce with Sadr’s Mahdi Army which Sadr entered into for both public relations and strategic reasons. Ethnic cleansing has decreased many flashpoints in Baghdad but many of those affected by the cleansing remain internally displaced or in increasingly precarious positions in surrounding countries. Who knows what will happen when they come back. Finally, the scope and nature of American military operations has changed. Big sweeps are far fewer and there has been an increasing reliance on air power. The surge has been irrelevant or marginal to all these events. Sorry, Michael, just because it might be sunny where you are, you can’t attribute the nice weather to your smile.
O’Hanlon does add this qualifier:
With millions of refugees, the country increasingly run by local and regional militias, no recognition by Washington or O’Hanlon that Iraq still has a civil war on its hands, and a weak divided central government that does not want a political settlement (it’s that civil war thing) and would be unable to enforce any such agreement if one were made, I would say that’s one heck of an understatement.
So what is the Bid O’s conclusion?
Stay the quagmire. Again this talk of any troop reduction is dishonest. The surge can not be sustained. No matter what, forces would have to start coming out in April or May regardless of conditions on the ground. O’Hanlon makes this sound that this is a choice based on the success of the surge. It isn’t. What O’Hanlon is trying to sell here is a return to the status quo ante, i.e pre-surge levels of around 130,000 troops, and portray this as a real reduction and a kind of victory. The short version is that O’Hanlon and the neocons want to keep a 130,000 troops in Iraq into January 2009. And the NYT is doing what it can to help out.
But, but, but, according to FauxNews’ Chris Wallace yesterday, in touting his upcoming interview with General Petraus, the surge has been a “stunning success.” (his exact characterization)
I had trouble getting past this phrase. What have we done.
Michael O’Hanlon needs to put his body where his mouth is – on the front line in Iraq, not the newspaper.
I hope Reinquist is enjoying his room in the Bush Wing of Hell. One day, it will be a crowded wing indeed.
I think the objective would be to piss on the Magna Carta!
Actually there is no telling what the “skull and bone”ers will do with it.
The Surge – One way to succeed is through ethnic cleansing either by genocide or massive refugee migration to surrounding countries. Good work General BetrayUS! And keep arming the few Sunnis left. It makes for balance.
PW, very nice post!
It is ironic that a very famous version of the Magna Carta was just purchased at auction by a master-of-the-universe hedge fund manager: today’s equivalent of the nobility.