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Hello again, Blue Texan…

MLK!

Romney talks like Jesus – in parables.

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I love the “my father and I” edition. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but wasn’t Mitt Romney in France on his mission at the time this particular march occurred? Was there some fold in the space-time continuum that I missed that year?

I wonder what Romney’s wife, uh…Morgan Fairchild, thinks about all of this?

Yeah, that’s the ticket…my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

Lying is a skill prized by the modern Republic party. This may actually help Willard.

Yeah, that’s the ticket…my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

Great bit. The halcyon daze of SNL.

I posted this on an earlier thread this morning:

In his carefully crafted “Faith in America” speech — the one the campaign portrayed him as working on so diligently — Romney declared: “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King Jr.” But as the Boston Phoenix reported Thursday, there’s “no evidence” that the elder Romney actually marched with King; the Romney campaign has relied on a 1967 book in which David Broder says that Romney’s father “marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit,” but the Grosse Pointe Historical Society says King never marched in Grosse Pointe. And even if he did — and even if Romney’s father marched with him there — it’s now clear that the younger Romney did not, in fact, see it happen.

Romney acknowledged as much Thursday even as he insisted that he was right to say that he “saw” it himself. “I ’saw’ him in the figurative sense,” Romney said at a press conference. “The reference of seeing my father lead in civil rights and seeing my father march with Martin Luther King is in the sense of this figurative awareness of and recognition of his leadership.”

Romney said he’d “tried be as accurate as I can be,” then added: “If you look at the literature or look at the dictionary, the term ’saw’ includes ‘being aware of’ — in the sense I’ve described.”

“I’m an English literature major,” he said. “When we say, ‘I saw the Patriots win the World Series,’ it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.”

He’s right on that one, of course: If you said you saw the Patriots — a professional football team — win the World Series — the championship for Major League Baseball — then you almost certainly weren’t there.

Romney’s analogy is even moore apt in spite of himself: Just as one cannot see the Patriots win the World Series, Romney couldn’t have seen his papa march with Martin Luther King.

Like all pathological liars Willard has reached the point that he thinks just because he says something it must be true.

Blue Texan,
I think Romney is attempting to send a coded message to all us Boomers from the ’60s/’70s that he really is one of us and experienced life in those days. He’s telling us that he hallucinated these things so we have to be able to trust him as one of us. He was really with us on the Summer of Love and was at Woodstock in spirit if not in fact.

Right? Right? Bueller?

Has anybody asked David Broder about that section of his book? Heh, heh?

Didn’t Mitt sneak over from Paris to sit on an NVA anti-aircraft gun and shoot John McCain down, so Mitt could march with John McCain off to his cell?

Willard seems to have so many coded messages, how can one keep track?

Romney was using a metaphor. He meant, “My father and I physically marched with MLK in spirit through the physical streets of Detroit.”

Were you aware that if you were small enough, you could walk through a stone? Atomically, a stone has a lot of space between the electrons and the nucleus. It compares to a football field with a pea in the center of the field. Simple, walk right through.

{{{Blue Texan}}}

I fell over laughing at this quote. Better than Donald Rumsie’s press statements.

He added, “You know, I’m an English literature major as well. When we say, ‘I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there — excuse me, the Super Bowl. I saw my dad become president of American Motors. Did that mean you were there for the ceremony? No, it’s a figure of speech.”

Is Mitt’s Dad the black guy with the hat in the photo – is disguise?

Why, since Willard was/is a “Master of the Universe” business person, he doesn’t have to keep track of things. That’s for all of us peons to do for him doncha know. /s

I saw Willard make an ass out of himself.

Someone should ask John Conyers if he saw any Romney at Grosse Pointe HS in ‘68 …..

(Washington, DC) Representative John Conyers, Jr., ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee and Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus released the following statement on the significance of Martin Luther King Day:

“On March 12, 1968, I hosted Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. during his visit to Michigan where he gave an address titled “The Other America” at Grosse Pointe High School.

http://www.house.gov/list/pres…..19_04.html

I remember when Mitt Romney raised his black gloved hand in defiance of white oppression at the 1972 Olympics.

It was really something.

-G

“golden boys-masters of the universe rarely expect to be challenged!

And a little bit of snark:

OK, so maybe when Mitt Romney said that he “saw” his father marching with Martin Luther King Jr., he meant that he “saw” it happen in the figurative sense — the “English literature major,” “being aware of” sense — even if, you know, it seems that his father never actually marched with King at all.

Let’s just go with that for a minute.

We all speak imprecisely sometimes. Seriously. Who among us has not announced that we’re in favor of abortion rights and gay rights and described ourselves as being pretty much lifelong hunters and then figured out that, actually, we’re not any of those things at all? It happens to us all the time.

(Same link as my 10.)

Oh Willard…

And this clown is the frontrunner?

And we worry about electable Dems???

I think I get it. The rest of us have to deal with both space and matter regardless of percentages but Mitt and Pappy only dealt with space and could transcend the matter part, thus march with MLK. Beam me up Scotty. As president, imagine all the places he could be at once.

Were you aware that if you were small enough, you could walk through a stone? Atomically, a stone has a lot of space between the electrons and the nucleus. It compares to a football field with a pea in the center of the field. Simple, walk right through.

Mindwalk. If you haven’t seen it, you should.

I suppose one could ask the sMitten one, which father he is talking about? If he means the father with flesh, considering the lack of proof, were they experimenting with psychedelic drugs at the time?

“OK, so maybe when Mitt Romney said that he “saw” his father marching with Martin Luther King Jr., he meant that he “saw” it happen in the figurative sense”

He’s a Mormon, they are big on “visions”

I saw Romney’s hair. It was perfect. Like a Werewolf of London.

Remember that time Mitt Romney walked through stone?

Hey, I saw that, too!

Time for Mitt to start crying again.

I too was outraged when Mitt Romney was forced to ride in the back of the buses. But I took heart when he led America into the civil rights era by standing up and saying that he wouldn’t ride in the back of the bus anymore.

-G

Romney is Zelig.

More like Gigli.

-G

What? Has Buckaroo Banzai Across The Eighth Dimension been on TV recently and I missed it?

Was he drinking a pina colada?

Asked about PhysioProf’s assertion that he dated every cheerleader in his high school graduating class, PhysioProf spokesman Gene Strohphlegm said, “He was speaking figuratively, not literally”.

Further to CHS @ 6 and angie @ 19:

Yep: Mitt was in France at the time MLK was at Grosse Point–at least before his accident there:

After attending Stanford University for two quarters, Romney served in France for 30 months as a missionary for LDS Church.[7] In June 1968, Romney was involved in a serious car accident while driving fellow missionaries in southern France. Another vehicle hit Romney’s car head on; the fault for the accident, which left one person dead, has been attributed to the driver of the other vehicle.[8]

I think there’s a coded message in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbB9FgazJk

’Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum!’

Nice to see this tied back to something David Broder lied about in 1967.

We also know David Broder lied about Edmund Muskie crying in 1972.

Has David Broder ever written a word of truth? Is this what qualifies him to be the Dean of the Washington Press Corpse?

See my #11

Has Buckaroo Banzai Across The Eighth Dimension been on TV recently and I missed it?

Laugh-a while you-a can, monkey boy.

If Willard is so gosh-durn all-seeing and powerful, why hasn’t he seen the WMD in Iraq yet?

Great photo caption.

Liar Liar Mormon Polyester Undies on fire! (and that sticks, my friends)

GregB @ 20:

I remember when Mitt Romney raised his black gloved hand in defiance of white oppression at the 1972 Olympics.

Did you mean to say 1968 Olympics in Mexico City? Which was when and where John Carlos and Tommy Smith did that.

Yes, as a matter of fact, Willard was drinking his pina colada at Trader Vics. And his hair spoke to me (figuratively, of course). I’m of English descent.

Now we’re discussing hallucinations.

I have a dream!…at least MLK told us it was a dream.

If Willard claims to have seen something, but that he was not, in fact, present at the event, it would still imply that said event happened.

Can we all agree that he was not at the event he “saw” happen because the event did not “happen”. Uh oh, pants on fire.

Thought it was the ‘36 Olympics in Berlin.

Just up at the NY Times, Romney Shows a Tendency to Imprecision

Understatement anyone?

Ahhh Truthiness.

I feel it in my gut, It MUST be true. The hallmark of Republicanism!

All republicans. All shit. All the time. No exceptions.

If Romney’s hair gets mussed in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it really get mussed?

And now that we’ve all established that Willard’s daddy did NOT in FACT march with MLK, he only “saw” it happen, let’s go back to the original question about racism and Mormonism. How did the girly man really witness inclusion of black citizens in American society.

Can we get a new answer please? Try again, Mitt.

Mitt figuratively fought the good battle against Vietnam. Like John the Baptist he spent his war in France laying the groundwork for the Paris Peace Talks led by future Romney advisor Henry (Inever saw a war we could’t fight again)Kissinger.

Of course this is much like the Romney sons doing their duty to elect their father, such sacrifice.

Oh yeah, getting my Olmpics wrong. And my nephew has that poster on his wall.

72 was the Munich massacre.

The 36 Olympics were when Jesse Owens showed that Nazi bastard Hitler that Blacks could indeed beat Hitlers beloved Aryans.

What year did Mitt Romney lead the march in Selma?

-G

Last night I saw tens of thousands of Firedogs march into the white house and throw Bush and Cheney into the street and they locked all the doors. The Secret Service joined their fellow citizens in the nonviolent display of patriotism. Angels smiled. Dogs (real live healthy ones) romped in streets. They chased those Republicans right on to planes bound for Gitmo.

I saw the s-chip bill passed and habeus corpus restored. Patrick Fitzgerald became AG.

I saw it all. And that’s the truth.

Further clarification–and it gets a little more complicated:

Susan Englander, assistant edi tor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era, told the Globe yesterday: “I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with Martin Luther King.”

She said that when he was governor of Michigan, George Romney issued a proclamation in June 1963 in support of King’s march in Detroit, but declined to attend, saying he did not participate in political events on Sundays. A New York Times story from the time confirms Englander’s account.

A few days after that march, George Romney joined a civil rights march through the Detroit suburb of Grosse Pointe, but King did not attend, Englander said.

Either Mitt “saw” his father march in Grosse Pointe without MLK, or he “saw” MLK march in Gross Pointe without his father.

C’mon folks! Give Mitt some slack. He’s talking in a sort of quantum physics way. He and his Dad and Martin Luther King were in a special state of Bose-Einstein Condensates when all this happened. Thus they could, theoretically, have all been together on that March in Detroit in 1967, and in the one in Grosse Point in 1963.

http://newton.ex.ac.uk/aip/physnews.626.html

It’s all explained there figuratively right in the “Book of the Mormon”! See Science and Religion are at last ONE!

It’s called a Miracle! And most American’s believe in Miracles! And Fairies! And UFO’s! And talking donkeys! And baby Jesus seeing dinosaurs!

Don’t mess with Texas religion!

…He was really with us on the Summer of Love and was at Woodstock in spirit if not in fact.

and he was there putting daisies in the rifles of National Guardsmen, singing that great Neil Young refrain: “Ford Head in Ohio”

And now that we’ve all established that Willard’s daddy did NOT in FACT march with MLK, he only “saw” it happen,

And by the same measure we can say the George Wallace marched with MLK.

“On March 12, 1968, I hosted Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. during his visit to Michigan where he gave an address titled “The Other America” at Grosse Pointe High School.

Also: per my 68: MLK marched at Grosse Pointe
in 1963. Were there two MLK marches–or just one march? As I said, more complications.

Romney and his Dad rode incognito on King’s shoulders as tiny lint balls.

Don’t mess with Texas religion!

Hallelujah, Jeebus.

I marched with MLK too and I don’t remember seeing Romney there.

Repugs love liars, he’s doing exactly what he needs to do to get the nomination.

In Mitt’s defence, there is nothing serious here just a few “misstatements” well accpeted by ShrubCo. Misstatements are well accepted Republican facts.

As long as we can’t see inside that box, it doesn’t matter whether or not Mitt is there. Sort of like Romninger’s cat…

And yeah, I really love this bit about daddy’s Sunday rule:

Peppered with questions while campaigning in Iowa yesterday, Romney defended his account that his father marched with King, saying it had become part of the family’s history.

“I can’t even give you the time frame,” he told reporters, according to an account on the New York Times’ political blog. “I just remember we talked about it. My brother also remembers my dad having spoken about the fact he did not do political events on Sunday but that he decided at the last minute that he was going to break that self-imposed rule and participate, and I think he did so on a Sunday, as I recall.”

I am so very conflicted. As a Democrat I am beside my self. Obama or Hillary or neither. What to do?

The NYT article is a rambling mess o’ bullshite. Read it and you get dizzy. The title is too forgiving and it is factually incorrect. Romney does not “show a tendency to imprecision”. Romney is guilty of embellishment. It is not imprecise to make shit up. It is embellishment. Embellishment in the title would have been fair and far more accurate.

Romney, Huckabee and Rudy. Nightmares doen’t get much worse.

As I said: complicated:

But the Phoenix reported that the Grosse Pointe Historical Society had no record of King marching in the town. The Detroit Free Press reported that its archives showed no record of King marching in Grosse Pointe in 1963. And Russell Peebles, who was a civil rights activist in Grosse Pointe in the 1960s, said in a telephone interview yesterday that the only time King ever came to the town was three weeks before his assassination in 1968, when he spoke at Grosse Pointe High School.

Well: Did he or didn’t he? And when?

(Same link as my 69.)

The obvious conclusion here is that MItt is what is known as “a big fat liar”. How does the NYT spin it? “Romney Shows a Tendency to Imprecision”.

AP – A federal judge appeared reluctant Friday to investigate the destruction of CIA interrogation videotapes while the Justice Department is conducting its own inquiry.

I too was outraged when Mitt Romney was forced to ride in the back of the buses. But I took heart when he led America into the civil rights era by standing up and saying that he wouldn’t ride in the back of the bus anymore.

-G

“hey, don’t wanna sit by you, another one rides the bus”
oh sorry, Tancredo. I’m getting my goopers and their integration memes all mixed up now. Which one wants to teach the world to sing?

Obama or Hillary or neither.

I have come to the conclusion that Obama will be worse, or at least the possible downside is worse. I think Clinton’s behavior as president is much more predictable, and the potential downside is not as bad.

Oh dear. A professed “Christian” has lied. Poor Mitt. We know what the Huck has to say about Mormons and the Devil. Don’t we?

Cinnamonape, I’m sorry. I’m an English Lit major too and Quantum Physics is against our religion. Even if we did have James Joyce and William Burroughs.

And yes, Mitt cried that one time:

On NBC’s “Meet The Press” on Sunday, when he was questioned about the Mormon Church’s ban on full participation by black members. He said that he had cried in his car in 1978 when he heard the ban had ended, and added, “My father marched with Martin Luther King.”

Now this is a man who loves to cry. He might also cry when he loses the nomination.

(Same link as my 69.)

I can just see the political ads if Willard gets the big nod. B/W stopmotion grainy photos, Deep, serious voice-over. “We’ve had a liar in the White House for eight years. Do we want another one? Mitt Romney is unprincipled and a liar. He talks out of his a*s. This ad is paid for and approved by the American electorate.” Heh, and coconut palms will be growing in Manhattan (well, maybe in ten years!)

Oh, Christ. So now, to renew his membership in the lifelong hunters’ club, Willard’s going to have to go out and shoot some poor dumb fuck rabbit.

Shades of Ricky Ray Rector.

I see that Mitt has more money than brains.

It is quite funny to see those on the right that loathed “slick Willie” embrace Shifty Mitt.

-G

Kiddo,
How does a judge appear reluctant? I am knocking AP, not you.

When did preliminary judicial proceedings end in such a conclusion? Did the judge rule today? AP has its head up its as# and has no editorial control. Yet this is the news Joe Sixpack gets. (rant)

“The Grosse Pointe Human Relations Council began informally in 1960 as a result of racial episodes in Detroit housing developments. The council’s first public act was a walk through Grosse Pointe in June, 1963 in support of open housing. In 1968 the Council sponsored an appearance by Dr. Martin Luther King, three weeks before he was assassinated. Throughout its existence, the Grosse Pointe Human Relations Council worked toward fair housing, equal employment, and a better understanding among the races in the Detroit area. The organization was dissolved in 1973.”

http://www.reuther.wayne.edu/c…..a_1456.htm

Seems that there was a 1963 MARCH (but no MLK) and a 1968 speech (but no March).

AP – A federal judge appeared reluctant Friday to investigate the destruction of CIA interrogation videotapes while the Justice Department is conducting its own inquiry.

“Appeared reluctant” just means that he doesn’t want to have to wade into this particular swamp. Frankly, I can’t see any way he can avoid it. Destruction of evidence is a big deal, and the defendants have a strong arugment that if the CIA destroyed evidence in this case, they may very well have destroyed evidence in others.

Perhaps that’s correct. Obama opposed the Iraq attack, HRC voted for it. What these two divergent views says about Iran, or additional wars, and concurrent political predictability, I’m not sure though. I think I’ll select neither. ;0)

It isn’t like Mitt transgressed. His flights of teenage fantasy about what he saw or sees is nothing more than a few piccadilloes. This has little importance in his presidential abilities to lead the nation. Right?

TBogg’s piece is definitely worth reading. Snark alert!

The NYT article is a rambling mess o’ bullshite. Read it and you get dizzy. The title is too forgiving and it is factually incorrect.

That article is by Michael Luo, who in his coverage of Mitt’s famous speech on faith and freedom, left out Mitt’s statement that he would appoint Muslims to the lower rungs of his administration.

In several FDL posts, Blue Texan was on Luo’s case about this omission, and even contacted him. (I also sent him and Clarke Hoyt and Bill Keller emails.) Blue Texan: Did you ever get any further clarification from him about this?

So now we have a timid Judicial and Legislative Branch. I guess the principal of three seperate co-equal branches of Government was all a bunch of propaganda.

I think Romney is attempting to send a coded message to all us Boomers from the ’60s/’70s that he really is one of us and experienced life in those days. He’s telling us that he hallucinated these things so we have to be able to trust him as one of us.

Faaarrr out!

Well, it is late in the race for Iowa and all the candidates are saying odd things, gibberish really. Hillary is saying she can avert war with Iran. Obama is saying vacuous nothings. Huckabee is saying he’s the chosen one. McCain is saying, “Hey, look at me. I’m not dead yet.” Thompson is saying, “ZZzzzzz” It’s an exciting time. Mistakes were made.

He really said you could watch the Patriots win the World Series? LOL Amazing.

I saw Willard make an ass out of himself.

Oh, and now I suppose you expect us to believe he’s a magician or something.

Teh funny.

I remember when Mitt Romney raised his black gloved hand in defiance of white oppression at the 1972 Olympics.

I saw Mitt Romney score 50 pts. in a Pistons game.
Of course, I wasn’t there, but …

If Romney’s hair gets mussed in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it really get mussed?

Don’t be silly. God would never allow his hair to be anything but plastic, er perfect.

and he was there putting daisies in the rifles of National Guardsmen, singing that great Neil Young refrain: “Ford Head in Ohio”

Wasn’t he the one singing Rambler On?

The NYT article is a rambling mess o’ bullshite. Read it and you get dizzy. The title is too forgiving and it is factually incorrect. Romney does not “show a tendency to imprecision”. Romney is guilty of embellishment.

The New York Times has shown a tendency to imprecision.