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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160802</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did they amend the constitution of the state of Indiana? Hoosiers have a constitutional right to judge the law as well as the facts, and also have rights of conscience enshrined in the state constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jailing “errant” jurors seems to fly in the face of both of these rights in the state constitution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they amend the constitution of the state of Indiana? Hoosiers have a constitutional right to judge the law as well as the facts, and also have rights of conscience enshrined in the state constitution.</p>
<p>Jailing “errant” jurors seems to fly in the face of both of these rights in the state constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160512</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was about to sign and send this on to attorney friends when I clicked through and saw that Ron Paul is heavily involved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Un-uhh, ain’t gonna do anything that’s tied to him.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please, next time more info before linking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about to sign and send this on to attorney friends when I clicked through and saw that Ron Paul is heavily involved.</p>
<p>Un-uhh, ain’t gonna do anything that’s tied to him.  </p>
<p>Please, next time more info before linking.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160308</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The source is Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, an exposed right-wing Fascist who managed bothe Operation Gladio and was involved with the notorious P2 Masonic Lodge when they were bombing train stations and student demonstrations back in the 1970’s and ’80’s. These groups were staunchly Catholic, anti-Communist, and also virulently anti-Semitic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; He has made similar statements before. Right after 9/11 he made the suggestion that Mossad was likely involved simply because it was too complex for it to have been accomplished by Al Qaida. He provided no more evidence than this but simply said…”it will come out”. He has also made statements that the belief was widespread amongst the “radical left” that the CIA was behind it. This simply sounds more of the same…and I’m a bit surprised it’s making news. It’s nothing new…except that the people pushing it seem to be suggesting that Cossiga is “widely respected”. That’s patently false.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When he was a Vice-Minister of Defense from 1966-68 he administered the secret NATO-CIA backed “Gladio” Unit (&lt;em&gt;gladiators&lt;/em&gt;) which soon thereafter began a campaign of counter-revolutionary covert operations designed to assign blame on the left and to suggest that there was an internal war between different  elements. When a brave, young Italian Judge began to find the right-wing sources of these attacks, Cossiga (then Interior Minister) attempted to block the investigation of the Gladio and its links with the Italian regime. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the 1970’s he was notorious for suppressing the leftwing student movements, sending waves of Italian police and Army into campuses, searching rooms, and making arrests, often on trumped up charges from planted evidence. Thousands of Italian students were expelled. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cossiga later “privatized” the Gladio, creating the P2 (Propoganda Due’) Masonic Lodge, to carry out the activities. Many argued that he demonstrated quite bizarre “paranoic” tendencies to justify his involvement in such groups. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cossiga hasn’t been involved in government in almost a decade and thus would be unlikely to know any details of the role the CIA played in the 9/11 attacks. He certainly has played up the Mossad linkage which is true to form for his ideological leanings. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Cossiga being a reliable and trusted source? I think not…at least not until he is in the dock facing severe criminal charges…and even then everything would have to be checked and double checked through independent sources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source is Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, an exposed right-wing Fascist who managed bothe Operation Gladio and was involved with the notorious P2 Masonic Lodge when they were bombing train stations and student demonstrations back in the 1970’s and ’80’s. These groups were staunchly Catholic, anti-Communist, and also virulently anti-Semitic.</p>
<p> He has made similar statements before. Right after 9/11 he made the suggestion that Mossad was likely involved simply because it was too complex for it to have been accomplished by Al Qaida. He provided no more evidence than this but simply said…”it will come out”. He has also made statements that the belief was widespread amongst the “radical left” that the CIA was behind it. This simply sounds more of the same…and I’m a bit surprised it’s making news. It’s nothing new…except that the people pushing it seem to be suggesting that Cossiga is “widely respected”. That’s patently false.</p>
<p>When he was a Vice-Minister of Defense from 1966-68 he administered the secret NATO-CIA backed “Gladio” Unit (<em>gladiators</em>) which soon thereafter began a campaign of counter-revolutionary covert operations designed to assign blame on the left and to suggest that there was an internal war between different  elements. When a brave, young Italian Judge began to find the right-wing sources of these attacks, Cossiga (then Interior Minister) attempted to block the investigation of the Gladio and its links with the Italian regime. </p>
<p>In the 1970’s he was notorious for suppressing the leftwing student movements, sending waves of Italian police and Army into campuses, searching rooms, and making arrests, often on trumped up charges from planted evidence. Thousands of Italian students were expelled. </p>
<p>Cossiga later “privatized” the Gladio, creating the P2 (Propoganda Due’) Masonic Lodge, to carry out the activities. Many argued that he demonstrated quite bizarre “paranoic” tendencies to justify his involvement in such groups. </p>
<p>Cossiga hasn’t been involved in government in almost a decade and thus would be unlikely to know any details of the role the CIA played in the 9/11 attacks. He certainly has played up the Mossad linkage which is true to form for his ideological leanings. </p>
<p>But Cossiga being a reliable and trusted source? I think not…at least not until he is in the dock facing severe criminal charges…and even then everything would have to be checked and double checked through independent sources.</p>
<p><a href="http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm" rel="nofollow">http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160225</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you’re talking about Berlusconi he’s tin foil hat territory and rather goofy…&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;It’s another former PM…one that’s even more right-wing, and who had to resign because of his role in creating a group that bombed public places in order to raise fear that the left were planning a revolution. He’s also known to be more than a bit insane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you’re talking about Berlusconi he’s tin foil hat territory and rather goofy…</p>
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<p>It’s another former PM…one that’s even more right-wing, and who had to resign because of his role in creating a group that bombed public places in order to raise fear that the left were planning a revolution. He’s also known to be more than a bit insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(where do these “civil servants” get the 6 figures to lawyer up with the top of the line?)and I give him 50-50 to invoke the 5th amendment if and when he appears before the House Intelligence Committee.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, when you conspire with someone to destroy evidence, seems to me you’re pretty much committed to help with legal fees.  Can’t tell me he destroyed those tapes all on his own without anyone’s supervision!  As to invoking the fifth, that’s what use immunity is for, it seems to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(where do these “civil servants” get the 6 figures to lawyer up with the top of the line?)and I give him 50-50 to invoke the 5th amendment if and when he appears before the House Intelligence Committee.</p>
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<p>Well, when you conspire with someone to destroy evidence, seems to me you’re pretty much committed to help with legal fees.  Can’t tell me he destroyed those tapes all on his own without anyone’s supervision!  As to invoking the fifth, that’s what use immunity is for, it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160122</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should have used Bill Bennet’s name both times above.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have used Bill Bennet’s name both times above.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160115</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ann–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kagro X has done a bangup job of explaining both proceedures in the link I gave you and in this one at Next Hurrah (EW’s old digs):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/06/brush-up-on-con.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brush up on Contempt of Congress by Kagro X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rodrieguez has lawyered up with Bob Bennett (where do these “civil servants” get the 6 figures to lawyer up with the top of the line?)and I give him 50-50 to invoke the 5th amendment if and when he appears before the House Intelligence Committee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He of course, has “done nothing wrong”, but his insurance is paying a million or more legal bill to Bill Bennett and his entourage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann–</p>
<p>Kagro X has done a bangup job of explaining both proceedures in the link I gave you and in this one at Next Hurrah (EW’s old digs):</p>
<p><a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/06/brush-up-on-con.html" rel="nofollow">Brush up on Contempt of Congress by Kagro X</a></p>
<p>Rodrieguez has lawyered up with Bob Bennett (where do these “civil servants” get the 6 figures to lawyer up with the top of the line?)and I give him 50-50 to invoke the 5th amendment if and when he appears before the House Intelligence Committee.</p>
<p>He of course, has “done nothing wrong”, but his insurance is paying a million or more legal bill to Bill Bennett and his entourage.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286_pf.html" rel="nofollow">Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160098</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, see, then, I rest my case.  This has been going on since June, and yet nothing is being done.  I gather (because I’m so far behind in reading, I don’t know where to start) that the procedures for Inherent Contempt are not so simple as to send the Sargent-in-Arms to arrest them and bring them to jail?  It should be interesting to see how the president keeps them from getting Jose Rodriguez to testify in the torture tapes destruction investigation, seeing as how he’s claiming he knew nothing.  I think when the President says he was not told before the fact, that’s supposed to eliminate Executive Privilege as an excuse, so I guess it’ll be “national security.”  What a bunch of phony asses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, see, then, I rest my case.  This has been going on since June, and yet nothing is being done.  I gather (because I’m so far behind in reading, I don’t know where to start) that the procedures for Inherent Contempt are not so simple as to send the Sargent-in-Arms to arrest them and bring them to jail?  It should be interesting to see how the president keeps them from getting Jose Rodriguez to testify in the torture tapes destruction investigation, seeing as how he’s claiming he knew nothing.  I think when the President says he was not told before the fact, that’s supposed to eliminate Executive Privilege as an excuse, so I guess it’ll be “national security.”  What a bunch of phony asses.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160097</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been preaching it too.  Sorry I missed yours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see why the Pansies on SJC and HJC used the statutory route, when they damn well knew that the US Attorney in DC a former Bush employee wasn’t going to lift a finger and they knew or should have known Gonzales and Mukasey weren’t going to lift a finger.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People can scream and scream, but this administration is going to stone wall any prosecutions that involve them and will continue to lie and refuse to anwer any questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The performance of DOJ as far as administration law breaking has been non-existent and it’s cgoing to continue that way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been preaching it too.  Sorry I missed yours.</p>
<p>I don’t see why the Pansies on SJC and HJC used the statutory route, when they damn well knew that the US Attorney in DC a former Bush employee wasn’t going to lift a finger and they knew or should have known Gonzales and Mukasey weren’t going to lift a finger.</p>
<p>People can scream and scream, but this administration is going to stone wall any prosecutions that involve them and will continue to lie and refuse to anwer any questions.</p>
<p>The performance of DOJ as far as administration law breaking has been non-existent and it’s cgoing to continue that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/21/i-lawyers/#comment-1160087</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Waxman has always struck me as intelligent, principled, thorough, hard-working and tough. So why is he not getting results? Dunno - but I think we have to look beyond just him on this. He is working within a larger system - with a a disunited caucus  and leaders who have no stomach for impeachment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waxman has always struck me as intelligent, principled, thorough, hard-working and tough. So why is he not getting results? Dunno &#8211; but I think we have to look beyond just him on this. He is working within a larger system &#8211; with a a disunited caucus  and leaders who have no stomach for impeachment.</p>
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