Where is the accountability? This is the single biggest question of the Bush Era. When the Democrats swept into control of both houses of Congress, we expected that tough investigations by Waxman, Conyers and Leahy would expose six years of BushCo. dirty laundry for all the world to see – maybe even enough to get the gears of impeachment grinding.
Almost a full year later, what do we have? The investigations have found a lot of smoke, but none of the Constitution-scented blaze behind it, nor have they caught Bush or his lieutenants holding a match and jerrycan. They’ve gotten off some great zingers, but by refusing to go beyond their comfort zone of subpoenas and Strongly Worded Letters, the Democrats have allowed the White House to stall and stonewall with impunity.
…Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights… said: "The majority of lawyers in this country understand that the Bush administration has really gone off the page of constitutional rights and off the page of fundamental rights…" Ratner said he was "dismayed" that a Democratic majority has failed "to push on key illegalities… the torture program, and now the destruction of the tapes involving the torture program; the warrantless wiretapping, the denial of habeas corpus, the secret sites/rendition program, special trials, and of course what we now know is the firing of US Attorneys scandal…. The minimal that absolutely is needed to get us back on the page of law is to have serious investigative hearings that go up the chain of command and figure out who is responsible for what."
Ratner noted that even with regard to the US attorney’s investigations, where Congressional committees held Harriet Miers, Josh Bolten, and Karl Rove in contempt, leadership has failed to enforce these actions by bringing the resolutions to a vote. "Just announcing that investigations will be held and subpoenas will be issued is terribly insufficient unless Congress is willing to enforce the subpoenas by issuing contempt citations," Ratner said. "Congress has a constitutional duty to oversee the activities of the executive branch and our entire system of government is threatened when Congress simply folds before an obstinate executive. Issuing contempt citations against Bolten, Miers, and Rove should be Congress’s first order of business in 2008."
Yes, I’m sure the Republicans will scream "fishing expedition" and "vendetta" and "witch hunt" if the Democrats escalate the stakes and scope of their investigations, but so what? Is that really a reason to let BushCo. off the hook, to shrug off their constitutional obligation and say, "Oh well, if they won’t obey the subpoenas there’s nothing we can do"?
1,000+ lawyers (including Mario Cuomo and Reaganaut Bruce Fein) don’t think so:
We are lawyers in the United States of America. As such, we have all taken an oath obligating us to defend the Constitution and the rule of law…
We believe the Bush administration has committed numerous offenses against the Constitution and may have violated federal laws…. Moreover, the administration has blatantly defied congressional subpoenas, obstructing constitutional oversight of the executive branch.
Thus, we call on House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers and Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy to launch hearings into the possibility that crimes have been committed by this administration in violation of the Constitution, federal statutes, and international treaties. We call for the investigations to go where they must, including into the offices of the President and the Vice President. Should these hearings demonstrate that laws have in fact been broken by this administration, we support all such legal and congressional actions necessary to ensure the survival of our Constitution and the nation we love.
To rehabilitate an old anti-lawyer joke: What do you call 1,000 lawyers committed to the Constitution and the rule of law?
A good start.
If you know any lawyers, please send them the link to this statement so they can add their voice.
(h/t dakine, and big props to looseheadprop for kicking it off here and here – thanks for the nudge, Peterr)
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Eli!
Ooh, Zed’s still breathing…
present! Hey Eli!
CTut!
Hey jayt!
And to think, it all started with a little blog post from Looseheadprop, and a followup here . . .
Lawyers are the beez kneez!
Justice!
Thanks for this, Eli.
Law is something we created for the common good. I know that doesn’t mean anything to this administration, but at a minimum I’m glad to see the lawyers taking their cue from their counterparts in Pakistan and standing up for the rule of law. Otherwise they are out of business, and we are out of a country that used to believe in high ideals.
Practice…practice…practice!
I signed the AFC letter, and am ready to march on Foley Square with my fellow attorneys when the call goes out.
Remember them going after Big Dog? Karma’s a bitch, ya know… What goes around whips back around on you. What a pity.
Practice…practice…practice!
Is it wrong of me to be less nervous that lawyers say that they “practice” law than when i hear of doctors saying they “practice” medicine?
This post basically explains the nitty gritty of the whole problem with the Opposition Party. They get so far and drop the ball. Waxman, in particular, who had very strong words initially, drops the ball. Leahy, too. It stinks to high heaven.
Yes, I’ve been passing this around to the lawyers I know.
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Not sure, actually. I’ve been an appellate printer, and now I work for doctors. Practice makes perfect, we hope!
Lawyers doing the correct action, the legal action, the moral action, the Constitutional action. Lawyers doing everything but the expedient action (except for the political appointee lawyers in BushCo ho seem to do nothing BUT the politically expedient, lawbreaking, immoral, unconstitutional, and illegal acts)
I had very high hopes for Waxman. In total, he has been a tremendous disappointment.
There is very clearly this Zone Of Acceptable Behavior out of which they are unwilling to pass.
Needless to say, if the roles were reversed, impeachment proceedings would have started in, oh, January.
Inherent Contempt! Screw the DoJ route… Off to the labyrinth beneath the Capitol for the scoundrels! I’m certain it’ll force a few tongues to wag, if not, a little judicious application of water might work… Poetic justice? Hmmm…
I lost it with Waxman when he had the “I don’t recall” moment when asked about the Sibel Edmonds case.
Nada. Nada.
There will be no accountability by the Bush administration whatsoever.
Hundreds of lawyers who are paid by the DOJ are being deployed to ensure their will be no accountability.
SJC, whose lawyers have no federal litigation experience (oh yeah there’s the moron Sessions who administrated a US Attorney’s office but didn’t litigate) and gram variable Whitehouse (you never know how he’s going to vote)was dumb enough to confirm Mukasey.
Mukasey will not investigate jack. He’ll say he’s investigating, but you’ll see zip.
Blackwater–Investigation ongoing for two years and the rest of your life
The multiple rape of KBR employees–DOJ is engaged there and on the case–they refused to show up for a hearing, and they’ve been “investigating.”
Many well written posts will discuss investigation of this and that, but the Bush administration has been totally dominant as to legislation facilitated by Wussie Democrats, and this administration has insulated itself from any repercussions of beying beyond good and evil and the Rule of Law.
Both the Senate and House have held Bush officials in contempt, and absolutely nothing has come of it. And nothing will..
Mukasey will block any progression. You won’t see any Special Prosecutors out of Material Witness Mukasey.
Eli! Dakine!
say, has anyone read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert? I was just browsing the parts about Silencing Congress and little things like made in the USA anthrax. Maybe that’s why there’s no firm followup?
Anyway, I like the 1000 lawyers thing.
Great subject
The general public us losing patience with the Democrats –
accountability should be a minimum not something to fight for
Shrubco has spent years painting lawyers as venal and evil and the cause for all ills in America.
Right. The Rethugs would have started impeachment on or about January 2004 or 2005.
Along with legislation, accountability is their fucking JOB.
Hey – I’ll march, but I hereby move that it be considered a “casual day”.
ok, maybe only as to footwear. My feet
are revolting,have revolted, – hurt.They might not have been able to without a majority (although given Democratic wussiness, I wouldn’t bet money on that), but they sure would have gotten right on it the second they got subpoena power.
What I’ve never, ever been able to understand is how human beings can sink to the point where they lie as easily as I breathe, and don’t seem to recognize that there’s something wrong with that. And at this point I’m talking about both sides of the aisle. Don’t they have that compass inside that says “NO. NO. THAT’S WRONG!!!“? Can you be called fully human without it? /depressed rant
Every day is casual day for me now.
slightly off topic: but funny and so true.
Center for Constitution sends Santa to White House in attempt to deliver copies of Constitution (requested by 10’s of thousand of Americans)
Their compass is unmoored from the moral magnetic pole; it is only responsive to the messages they receive from their leaders. This is right-wing authoritarianism in a nutshell.
You are always on the money Our lawyers. maybe the National Lawyers Guild with their resolution to impeach.
Eli: Its the ‘Rule of Lawbreaking’ as in what can we get away with…catch us if you can. They know the rules and the loopholes..they always move the goalposts. The newly established prescident of offend and pardon, buy or appoint the judiciary seems to be a ral winner for them. What goes around comes around.
It’s all for the greater good. Lying and cheating and lawbreaking are all worth it to advance noble goals like, umm… making more money for rich people, and expanding American power to the point where the rest of the world hates us.
I mean, wasn’t it all worth it for the great results they’ve been getting?
Absolutely. And after six years of lawbreaking without making much effort to cover their tracks – because they thought they’d be in power *forever* – they had to be shitting themselves when suddenly the Democrats won subpoena power. Imagine their relief as they gradually realized that the Democrats weren’t really serious about using it.
You might want to read about the five Rothschild brothers, their banking and smuggling enterprises.
I mean, you have to admire the skill that Nathan had, without approving of it, in getting the news of Wellington’s Victory before the British government. And selling down to create a panic, as those others believed Wellington had lost … and then Nathan vultures the system.
If any government had people of that acumen working for them, instead of backing both sides, they’d be winners!
PhysioProf @ 32 & Eli @ 34 — you both have answered my question. No, they’re not fully human, at least as I understand fully human to be. Thanks for the clarification! Many new brooms are needed…
They just take the money and say what they are told to say. Its a lot of money. If they go against the grain they won’t get the money and they will be ruined. So they go with the flow. The flow that helps to put the whole world in the crapper for the profit of a few pricks. The world will be gone save for an island or two. Dick will stand on one with fistfulls of money screaming that he won the game.
Gets to the point where you wonder whether the Administration believes that We are endowed with certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty (hence ‘liberal’), and the pursuit of happiness. Feel free to add others you may think of. But when they scoff at ‘liberals’, they are saying that We do NOT carry liberty with us into the world when we are born, but that ‘their’government GIVES us those liberties it feels that we can be spared. We are smack back into an 18th century argument again, and it is just as serious as when we opposed the Monarch of England.
Imagine their relief as they gradually realized that the Democrats weren’t really serious about
usingenforcing it.just tryin’ to help.
Or you can simply be Hearst and help create a war … Oh, never mind…
I thought so too! Wasn’t Christy on vacation when this all came up? Do you think she’s heard about this?
It’s a crying shame that he can’t take it with him…
I do not get the Democrats in Congress at all. The ones that are doing their jobs either get dumped on or no help.
‘Remember the Maine’… *g*
Y’know, I’m just wondering how many prosecutors would respond with nothing more than a Strongly Worded Letter if one of *their* witnesses refused a subpoena.
Well, you can look back to The First Republican who asserted that the Union preceded the states. And thus, no states rights were of any consequence.
Oh, and by the way, Eli, do I believe like you:
Amen.
I could watch her talk all night long… Naomi Wolf!
The ones that are doing their jobs are Rocking The Boat. And that might make the Republicans and Broderellas angry.
They are fully human. It’s just that they robustly manifest aspects of human nature that are more suited to prehistory than to life in a constitutional republic.
Yes.
Oh WRHearst’s a good one!
If not for him, protecting his paper mills against the possible billion dollar industry in hemp up to 1937 — and “Reefer Madness” — we might never had have the War on Drugs.
Y’know, I’m just wondering how many prosecutors would respond with nothing more than a Strongly Worded Letter if one of *their* witnesses refused a subpoena.
Happens here all the ti… nah, I’m lyin’. Heck, we just passed a law that will put someone in jail for skipping *jury duty*!!
slightly off topic: but funny and so true.
Center for Constitution sends Santa to White House in attempt to deliver copies of Constitution (requested by 10’s of thousand of Americans)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ohc8Uyl95xQ
Totally on topic in the spirit of Xmas the way she walked with her elf shoes is so hilariously casual. Thank you for the threaP
Fixed? For clarity??? [grin]
hackworth December 21st, 2007 at 6:12 pm
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I had very high hopes for Waxman. In total, he has been a tremendous disappointment.
How has Waxman disappointed? I luv the guy.
Yeah, but look what ended up happening to him…
Yeah, but it seems so unfair, considering that they had to dig all the way down to the misplaced penis to get anything to stick to Slick Willy, practically had to make stuff up (if that blue dress didn’t exist), whereas Bush has consistently broken laws and then lied about it and there still isn’t anyone with teeth looking at it with an eye toward prosecution. All that searching for Clinton misdeeds only netted a blow job; if infringements of the law were tangible, you’d be tripping all over them in the Bush WH.
Hey, CTuttle. I couldn’t find the article regarding what may possibly have been lost in the very accidental fire.
Like Leahy, he *talks* a really great game, but when the Bushies blow him off, he can’t muster anything more than a Strongly Worded Letter, which just isn’t enough.
Right On. Hemp is superior to cotton or wood fiber in many, many ways. The demonization of it is an interesting and sad story that lends much perspective on the way the right wing operates. We could have preserved our soil and trees if we had been using hemp instead of cotton and wood all these years. Quite a bit of racism was involved in the campaign against hemp also.
Ahhh!
Wanna War on A Drug? Start with TOBACCO!
Better yet…don’t ever start…you’ll never have to TRY to quit!
Me too, but there seems to be a “lots of hat, not too many cattle” thing happening. Lord knows, he writes a snappy letter. But not much happens after that. Not to say that it’s his fault, you understand… It’s just that his name is on those snappy letters…
one would almost think that our Democratic representatives are doing as little as humanly possible…just enough to make us think “they’re fighting for us!”, but then going out to posh DC nite-spots with their good friends from “across the aisle” and having a good laugh at our expense, while counting the fistfulls of cash they’d pulled in from their corporate masters.
but THAT would be cynical.
I think so too!
Well, he’s got Hoyer telling him that if he actually does something, he’ll be stripped, bound, gagged and left in the Republican “coat room”.
Exactly. You don’t see anything coming from the Contempt citations from HJC or SJC.
They blow a lot of hot air but are no action.
It’s kind of ironic that the commercialization of Hemp would’ve naturally halted the Cannabis produced for ‘illicit’ use… The cross pollination would’ve neutralized THC laced versions… (I live in the Isles, it’s still Hawaii’s #1 cash crop!)
i’m begining to think that maybe some dems would be implicated if we had really effective investigations.
why won’t waxman have sibel edmunds testify? could it be because she says that dems are involved too? why no hearings into extraordinary rendition – even when cia agents are wanted by the italian police? could it be because clinton started the extraordinary rendition program?
i don’t know… but if that’s the case, how to we apply pressure for real investigations?
Yair, I seem to recall statements about jazz musicians and ‘them Mexicans’ and so on.
We could have had that great hemp industry in 1937 — same year as DuPont petrochemicals raised their ugly heads.
I had a hemp pullover some years ago, it would never have worn out, only problem was, the warp and weft was wrong and it kept growing sideways, even more than me!
That is so perfect! Love the last sentence.
If all of the congresscritters and senatesitters are afraid or bought off don’t ya think that just one of the would come forward and speak the truth. Just one? One little tiny truth. I wanna hear the truth goddamnit from one of those fuckers. And I want it now.
The only thing I accomplished in 1974 was to quit smoking cigarettes.
I just started smoking more grass instead.
There are quite a lot of Dems I can picture this of (Pelosi, Hoyer, Rahm, Schumer, DiFi, to name a few), but I have a hard time imagining it of Waxman or even Leahy. I think something else is going on, but I’m not sure exactly what – it could just be something as simple as a misplaced sense of propriety or boundaries, or it could be some variation on what GordonM @68 suggests.
It’s the #3 cash crop of the nation, and the #1 cash crop of 8 states, if I remember correctly.
jayt – is that true errant jurors where you are are jailed? Mind sharing what state you live in?
Before y’all badmouth Henry the W any more, check his committee schedule. He hardly even gets back to his district for meetings (I know, I live in it.)
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Way, way, way back in the day I worked for duPont, back when their motto was “Better things for better living through chemistry.” Heh. They had to drop the “through chemistry” when LSD hit…
This has always been my counterargument to the “The Dems are cowed into submission because the government’s been using illegal wiretapping to gather dirt on them”: All it would take is one courageous or near-retirement CongressDem to come forward and blow the whistle on them.
Hopefully with some proof – recorded phone conversations would be deliciously ironic…
Chris Dodd is speaking the truth and being vilified and marginalized for doing so.
Russ Feingold also speaks a fair amount of truth as do Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd.
3% to 4% is not a good figure unfortunately.
Waxman and Leahy, the supposed bulldogs on the Dem Team have stood in awe now of several Bushco lawbreakers whom have ignored subpoenas and thumbed their collective noses at them and the rule of law. Essentially, Wax and Leahy, pretend pitbulls, have rolled over and wet themselves.
his committee doesn’t meet on the weekends does it?
I hope it isn’t cali cause I forgot I had j duty a couple of months ago. I hope I don’t get waterboarded over it.
Indiana – haven’t actually heard of any being jailed yet – but it’s a new law.
Most of them have! With the exception of Dodd, Feingold, (the old lion) Ted Kennedy, Wyden, I heard Boxer (? spoke very well for the FISA hearing), and a few others, they aren’t worth the time it would take to let them go.
Well, I’ve been smoking a pipe for 50-some years, so I won’t buy into that.
And I drink beer and wine, too! And rarely, special occasions, the spirits.
So, knowing the history of the Prohibition Era, and the one trillion dollar waste on the War on Drugs, I say, legalise, drop the profit out of the illicit trade. Hey, I don’t care if corrupt politicans and cops hate me. And if all were legalised, licensed, and taxed, I still wouldn’t have a bar of them.
Full disclosure, I have smoked marijuana in earlier years. And I did inhale.
This is true. I guess my brain is clouded by anger tonight. I swing between anger and humor. I need to stoke the funny fires.
And then there are the ones who are sometimes awesome, and sometimes act like they’re playing for the other team. Webb, Byrd, Whitehouse, and probably Boxer all come to mind as having had both very good and very bad moments.
oh, hahahahaha, what a good laugh. Thanks!
Sigh. To get actionable subpoenas, they need a vote of their assembly (House or Senate). With Reid, Pelosi & Hoyer controlling that, they enough evidence to get a sheet of drywall to blush.
Isn’t ‘74 when ya got out of the service… ;-)
Pelosi must know that she will NOT be returned to congress. San Francisco is pissed.
no dirt if you don’t do no wrong..why should they… would the rethugs hold back a dem scandal during the election no chance somthin’ else is goin on
snork
All of the “worker bees” howled with laughter when the word came down from on high — the rationale had nothing to do with drugs… Move along, nothing to see here…!
Actually that was two years before I joined the Air force. I didn’t get out until Sept 82. Thirty-one years ago I was in Basic Training in beautiful downtown San Antonio/Lackland AFB for both Christmas and New Years.
These people consider all of us to be cockroachs! The power, the people they associate with, the money. Their concerns are not our concerns, if they were action would have been taken. I am throughly disillusioned at this point!
I have poured money I didn’t have to spend into electing people I really thought would help to effect change, only to see them wimp out when the rubber met the road. I am pissed off by our ineffectual Democrats, who I am sure can not possibly be so weak, except by design.
But at least we’re winning the war on drugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVkk6fH2u0Y
Loo Hoo, here’s the link I was referring to, it was Al Kamen, not Paul Kane…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02205.html
Good point. I wonder what those conversations have been like, and just what kind of explanations Nancy and Harry have been offering.
I would feel a lot better knowing that Waxman and Leahy are being shut down involuntarily.
Well, not *better*, but I think you know what I mean…
If it was up to George Washington, we’d be growing it as far as the eye can see. You wouldn’t know what a “lawn” is. Public land and roadways would be lined with “IT” for the public use/profit!
Did I mention that watching Naomi Wolf author of “The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9PulYpjGs
Here’s the problem. Americans don’t give a shit what the president does to liberties because:
1) They think only moslems get tortured or snooped on.
2) They are already bound in intellectual chains so thick and heavy that they don’t even notice the light weight actual chains that Clusterfuck has snuck onto em..
Americans don’t deserve to be free- and some day they won’t be- they’ll give it all away to a Bible quoting snake oil salesman.
Yeah, what do you think is with that! I still don’t believe Whitehouse’s position on retroactive immunity, but it’s like, should I believe my lyin’ eyes? BTW, I think you can add Testor and McCaskill to that list, no?
Me too! I thought they hit every note so well! And I only hope this is seen by a lot of people!
Just regular oil, I think.
I left them off because they haven’t really had a whole lot of awesome moments – at least nothing that made it on my radar (which is admittedly not super-sensitive).
The very thought of Hemp being illegal at this point in time is utterly ridiculous and part and parcel of right wing ideology. Not that they don’t smuggle it in themselves by the metric ton, they just use religion and false morality to get the rubes to go their way. That is – its illegal if you get caught. If you have the connections you might not get caught. I have no doubt that big players have no problem getting their products into the US.
Heh, I spent my ‘85 Xmas-New Year’s day due north at Ft. Sill, Lawton, OK. for AIT…
What is snake oil anyway?
good news thanks I hope the Code Pink are on her lawn to
Hi mary, I feel just the same way. However…
I do think they are afraid, not of losing their seats etc. I really think they know what a bunch of criminals they are dealing with and it’s effin’ dangerous. I think that’s where we’re at, truly. who wants to end up like Paul Wellstone? Yeah, that’s my tinfoil hat I wear for the holidays…Bushco doesn’t even really make much effort at pretending to be legitimate anymore, do they? It’s godawful to sit here on teh sidelines and watch our country go down the tubes before our very eyes.
Sorry to go all negative nelly on everyone. too much eggnog maybe.
At this point, well over $100 an ounce.
I have a gardening book from Britain published in the 1930s that lists “Cannabi$ $ativa” (trying to avoid the spam filters here) as a lovely decorative shrub, complete with a photograph of a GORGEOUS 8 or 9 foot plant next to a cottage doorway… Makes me howl every time I look at it!
Marion, you just made me laugh!
Who said; “Fascism would march in with the cross wrapped in the flag…?”
Americans see the price of oil go up from $20 per barrel to $95 after the fucker they elected said “All a president has to do is call OPEC and tell em to produce more oil.” They were told that they had to go to war on account of WOMD- when they found out that there weren’t any- they yawned and rolled over. They were told that we don’t torture- even after seeing pictures of Abu Grabass and being told that the CIA has been waterboarding folks and they say “Yeah- glad we ain’t like them other guys who torture good folks”. Americans are told that the war is to preserve their freedom and that in order to win it- they have to give up their freedoms of privacy- and they yawn.
One wonders how such and intellectually lazy group of human beings ever figures out how to get to work on time.
Sinclair Lewis
Well, the ones who they don’t have dirt on would be the ones who are being pains in their asses.
But you’re right, I would have expected them to leak some shit in 2006 – unless Rove really did convince them that “the math” was so good they they didn’t need to(!)
On the other hand, if they leaked dirt on Dems they were blackmailing, it kinda removes the incentive for the blackmailees to behave – if they think they might get outed anyway, why not just come clean and make sure you take them down with you?
All in all, I just have trouble buying the blackmail theory because it’s just too high-risk – all it takes is *one* person to rebel and the whole thing backfires bigtime.
rwcole, As pessimistic as that is, I am afraid that you are very much correct. Where are we going to go?
Been following this story?
Some years ago, when I lived in Tasmania, it was discovered there was a wonderful pot plant in the State House. Yair, the real thing, been there for a long time …
http://www.google.com/search?s…..f%e2%80%9d
Hell, I *still* haven’t.
If I recall correctly, the actual quote is “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
I remember the hopeful theory that the dems are waiting for the crooks to leave office and will go after them then.
Yeah, I don’t buy that for a second. They’ll just say, “Thank God our long national nightmare is over with. The crooks are gone, and *that’s* the important thing, no need to re-open old wounds, yadda yadda yadda.”
God, I so want to be proven wrong.
I fervently wish that you are correct!
Yeah, that’ll happen. We’re more likely to see Nancy Pelosi do a ribbon cutting for the installation of the Congressional pot plant in the vestibule of the House cafeteria.
Some will. Until the “adults” (*spew*) convince them that that would be a counterproductive witch hunt.
Emily Dickenson said “hope is the thing with feathers that nestles in the heart.” At this point I’m ready for hope to grow some fangs and claws and go where it’s most needed… But I’m just cranky this evening.
Dang, mangled another… 8-(
“Harpy” is the word you’re searching for. *g*
No mangling at all — I just remember it exactly because I have it stuck up on my office wall!!
In Georgia ya have to be on your toes, eh? ;-)
At the risk of sounding hopelessly cynical this Californian is convinced both our senators and Pelosi are in the deep pockets of the corporations. If anyone knows better I am all ears.
So much for women doing a better, more honest job.
Just an aside on the WoD and the hypocricy of governments (anywhere!)
In the land of oz, an individual growing ONE real tobacco plant could be fined $55,000 and possible 2 years in jail. A far less sentence than being a mary jane dealer.
Meanwhile, in 2006, the Australian government took in $5.4 billion on tobacco excise, twice as much as alcohol. And, supposedly, only 20% of Australians some cigarettes, etc.
Hi ya Newspaperbrat,
I just think Nancy Pelosi & co are under extreme duress. that’s my theory for tonight.
One Sen certainly is. The others might like to be, but haven’t yet found the hole in the bottom of the pocket.
Aloha, NPB! I’ve only seen evidence of their culpability… Sorry, Ma’am!
NPB-at this point I think it would be easier to count the Congresscritters who AREN’T deep into the pockets of the corporations.
Dubya told everybody (campaign 2000) that he would call Saudi Arabia and tell them to turn on the taps. Since he was connected, some of the old people believed him (b/c they wanted to – they desperately wanted cheap gas for their Caddys, Lincolns and Crown Vics). So the rethugs got the election within 2 percent and they stole it.
I look on my office wall and door as an “instructive moment!” God knows, most of the folks I work with could use it… Actually, the younger ones look at how many children could have health insurance if we gave up 41 days of W’s adventure in Iraq and are appalled. Some of them have children who are threatened by the possible end of PeachCare (Georgia’s SCHIP). I teach in odd ways!
…On one hand! Okay, maybe two, but no toes… :-(
Aloha, MM!
Oh, goody! I’m not the only one who remembers that “promise” W made… He crowed about having a “special relationship” with the Saudis… Feh.
See, I don’t find that helpful, for this reason: It seems to me that the Congress can investigate, but to bring criminal charges they still need a special prosecutor of some type. Their strength as members of Congress is that they can Impeach wrongdoers, but they can’t charge them criminally, and they can’t impeach anyone that’s already out of office. Of course, they might have better luck finding a prosecutor to refer their charges, but then the prosecutor will do his/her own investigation. So they would have to just appoint a special prosecutor (or maybe more than one) to investigate a wide spectrum of stuff as soon as the new President is inaugurated.
IMHO, Pelosi/Reid are corrupted by corporate/Military Industrial Complex interests.
I used to drive a Chrysler LeBaron in Riyadh, golly a gallon of gas cost 4 riyals.
Two vetoes is inexcusable, to say the least… :-(
I remember when the standard was approx $.259 for a gallon of gas and if there were two or three stations grouped together, price wars could break out knocking the price down to $.159 a gallon. And you got the gas pumped for you, the windshield washed, the oil and washer fluid checked and even have the attendant take a whisk broom and brush out the floor on the driver’s side of the car for that.
I cried the first time it cost me $3.00 to fill my VW bug.
I think he does have a special relationship with the Saudis and I also believe that a deal was made that we would not catch or kill Osama. Tin foil hat?
Taking a page from my congresscritter… You might want to look at how many military bases/hospitals/installations/factories are in their districts…
No. Facts may be prickly and uncomfortable things but they’re still facts. Even if the current administration hates looking at them.
They investigate abuses after the abusers have left the building. If the president has broken the law can’t he be tried after he leaves office? Or is he immune to prosecution? If so, does that leave the Haig?
Well, he does. He just misrepresented the direction.
I think you might be getting close to the truth! I am still boggled by the fact that almost all the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi nationals yet we attacked Iraq. And hardly anyone in media or government even batted an eye.
back at ya CT!
Osama bin Forgotten.
Sometimes, I wonder if he ever really existed?!
Bear in mind that this President has an extradition-proof compound in Paraguay (I think?) sitting on top of one of the largest fresh water aquifers in the world. These creatures plan ahead…
tin foil?
not ib the least.
What on earth is the point of something like this? Forcing people to carry out jury duty to this extreme seems rather at odds with the whole civic structure itself.
OT HuffPo headline Matalin to publish Rove memoir. Some of us saw that one coming [no scheiss, Prairie, and doesn’t the sun always rise in the east? and bears sh*t in the woods?]
How lovely that the world o’BushCo protects and shelters their own while the children of Iraq and Katrina go hungry and homeless. And desperate men show up in the Fargo post office to arrange for General Delivery mail because they’ve relocated from a Moorhead homeless shelter to a Fargo homeless shelter…or the cold streets.
Good on ya, Matalin and Rove. …. I can’t come up with a horrible enough descriptor for the likes of you. Either of you.
It all boils down to Wingnut Welfare writ large…
re: forcing Jury Duty
11. Don’t try to control the players, just change the rules.
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2…..-8-14.html
I wish I were a lawyer and could say, but all I can do is speculate. However, my speculation is that if they are going to investigate, they need to do it now, or they need to have a Special Prosecutor appointed, or maybe more than one, soon after a new President is appointed. There are several problems with trying to investigate this next year, the main one being it’s an election year and every member of the house is up for reelection.
What I can’t figure out is what is the point of, for instance, Lurita Doan’s actions being investigated, but left uncharged. Seems like a fairly clear case of a breach of the Hatch Act to me. So many thing that could be charged, haven’t been. That’s what I mean when I say something reeks to high heaven.
From the New York Observer:
Simon & Schuster. The publisher whose books I will buy no more.
So, I guess this magnum opus will be published as a cheap paperback? [snort]
Two nastier people are not possible. Cept for the rest of the pubs.
15 of the 19 were Saudis… Two were Saudi GID/CIA agents…
Thanks for the linky Prairie Sunshine. This begs the question – is Mr. Matalin aka ragin’ cajan been seen in or around the Hillary campaign?
http://www.msnbc.com/avantgo/839269.htm
Prince Bandar’s, (Saudi Ambassador, and loyal Bushie) assistance to the hijackers is well documented. Saudi Arabia was involved in Terrorism against the United States, including 9-11. This is being covered up by both the Congressional leadership and President Cheney.
Sadly, KKKarl only got half of what they were shopping the book for; 1.5 mil instead of 3. *snort*
Any bets on when it will become a freebie add-on to a book club membership?
Forcing people to carry out jury duty to this extreme seems rather at odds with the whole civic structure itself.
How ya gonna maintain civic structure if ya don’t criminalize the failure to adhere to it?
It makes sense, in a “you had to be there” sort of way. /s
fwiw, I don’t see it withstanding the first constitutional challenge.
I haven’t heard anything to that effect, but I’m aware of his history with the Clintons so I wouldn’t be surprised….
better ask Mitt what he sees… :P
Regenery Press maybe??
Did you hear about the ex president(prime minister?)of Italy announcing that 911 was an inside job? Bush=Saudis=911
My fondest wish is that his future legal expenses are three times as high.
Well, Mr. Sunshine did soothe a bit…he just directed me to this week’s Doonesbury. Whew, just in the nick of time. Happy Winter Solstice everyone…the sunshine will last a wee bit longer tomorrow.
But, but…Saudi Arabia is our ally! Bush said so, and he walks hand in hand with the Saudi princes in the Rose Garden. I am certain there is nothing whatsoever in those 28 pages that would make Bush or his Saudi buddies look bad in any way.
Fuckery, nothing but.
If you’re talking about Berlusconi he’s tin foil hat territory and rather goofy…
from my link at 164 – you don’t have to punish people for avoiding jury duty, just change something – make it attractive; make it worth their time. Pay better than the time they have to take off to sit in court.
They can hold people in contempt (House and Senate have done that to Miers, Bolton, and Rove in total, and the law says they can throw them in jail in the basement of Congress but they haven’t. By statute they can serve a year in prison Congress has two routes to travel, once it holds any person in contempt. It can proceed by the statutory route, which requires the Department of Justice to handle the prosecution. But since the Attorney General could block that route, the Congress would have good reason to use its inherent powers and procedures, instead.
If the White House refuses to comply with the subpoenas, the Judiciary committee can report out a resolution that the whole House would vote on, finding those refusing compliance in contempt of Congress. That finding is referred to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, on December 13, has approved contempt resolutions against Karl Rove, the former top aide to President Bush, and Joshua Bolten, the current White House chief of staff. The vote was 12-7.
The criminal contempt resolutions now move to the Senate floor, although no action on them is expected until next year.
The House Judiciary Committee,in June, in a straight party-line vote, approved a contempt resolution against White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former White House Counsel Harriet Miers, setting up a constitutional battle between the Bush administration and Congress over executive privilege.
After several hours of skirmishing over whether to send a contempt resolution to the House floor, the committee voted by a 22-17 margin to approve the measure.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other Democratic leaders will now have to decide if and when to hold a vote by the full House on the resolution.
If the White House refuses to comply with the subpoenas, the Judiciary committee can report out a resolution that the whole House would vote on, finding those refusing compliance in contempt of Congress. That finding is referred to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia.
The Mukasey DOJ ain’t gonna do nothing about the contempt citation.
Inherent contempt involves arrest, trial before Congress, and imprisonment by Congress.
Inherent Contempt Procedures
Good luck with that avenue.
As to Special Proscecutors, Addington picked Mukasey to make sure none of them see the light of day.
No, it’s a different guy, who used to specialize in false flag operations. And he’s convinced that 9/11 was one.
Trudeau has been shooting some zingers this week, well worth a look.
That video is so important. Thank you.
Yeah, but i’d like to hear what Berlusconi has to say…
Nope. Wasn’t him. It was someone who participated in their secret service and false flag ops.
Praise the Lord, he sure has!!
hey, you’re preaching to the choir *g*.
I have kind of a vested interest in seeing good jury pools….
Dood, I’ve been preaching that for quite some time, lock the scoundrels up in the dungeon below the Dome… ‘Enhanced Techniques’ would be apropo… ;-)
Marion, my village libarian calls Regenery Press “Degenerate Press”, bless her courageous heart. ;~)
Eli says:
I think something else is going on, but I’m not sure exactly what –
Somebody ought to write a song…
That would be lovely. However, in a world where we’re cutting children out of health care and watching our infrastructure collapse I doubt it’s in any way realistic. Too bad…
Could you imagine Turd Blossom yelping; “Don’t Tase Me, Bro!”
Oh, I’m going to try VERY HARD to dream of that tonight… I need a happy dream!
((( Eli )))
Evenin’ all !
Disagree. I’ve seen several hearings (certainly not all with work getting in the way) where both Waxman and Leahy have been ballbusters.
Duuudddeee! Vas Los?!!!
How about Cheney shouting, “Please Tase me, Bro !” *g*
FOFLMAO!
If only —
I would love to not have to imagine.
Hiya, Petro!
Working hard at completing the first one … how’s life in Paradise ?
But what has that ultimately accomplished?
But whoever it was who pointed out that Reid & Pelosi control the floor votes on contempt had an excellent point. While Waxman and Leahy have not managed to actually nail anyone, they’re not getting any help from their so-called leaders.
The little guy’s speech therapist got called for federal duty not long ago. She only gets paid when she sees clients, and they wanted her for a month. She had to jump through some major hoops but got out of it. For a self-employed person, not working for that length of time is just unrealistic.
“My batteries are crapping out…” 8-)
DOUBLE DING DING!
A little to close to what I perceive reality might be, but a good dream nonetheless!
What was the Friday Pre-Holiday News Dump they want us to have forgotten about by Wednesday?
LOL !!!
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
My eyelids are drooping, so it’s time to say g’night, and see you on the other side of the sleep. Gosh, I’ve enjoyed the last couple of threads! Sleep well, pups, whenever you tuck up to do that.
Glad I can help. I’m sending Naomi Wolf (different version) to every wingnut (and moonbat) woman I can find in my address book. Maybe they’ll listen to a woman: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
If anyone needs a Stephen Colbert Fix: http://youtube.com/watch?v=doKkduuY-M4
That’s the crux of it! If the Leadership would push the subpoenas, the Impeachment proceedings would follow…
Suz – Raw Story has kept this story on the top of their page all day:
Post Columnist Jokes: What Was Cheney Trying To Hide With That Office Fire
am afraid that may be the best MSM will feed us rabble
Sweet dreams Ms. Marion! Always so delightful to see ya.
Waxman has always struck me as intelligent, principled, thorough, hard-working and tough. So why is he not getting results? Dunno – but I think we have to look beyond just him on this. He is working within a larger system – with a a disunited caucus and leaders who have no stomach for impeachment.
I’ve been preaching it too. Sorry I missed yours.
I don’t see why the Pansies on SJC and HJC used the statutory route, when they damn well knew that the US Attorney in DC a former Bush employee wasn’t going to lift a finger and they knew or should have known Gonzales and Mukasey weren’t going to lift a finger.
People can scream and scream, but this administration is going to stone wall any prosecutions that involve them and will continue to lie and refuse to anwer any questions.
The performance of DOJ as far as administration law breaking has been non-existent and it’s cgoing to continue that way.
Well, see, then, I rest my case. This has been going on since June, and yet nothing is being done. I gather (because I’m so far behind in reading, I don’t know where to start) that the procedures for Inherent Contempt are not so simple as to send the Sargent-in-Arms to arrest them and bring them to jail? It should be interesting to see how the president keeps them from getting Jose Rodriguez to testify in the torture tapes destruction investigation, seeing as how he’s claiming he knew nothing. I think when the President says he was not told before the fact, that’s supposed to eliminate Executive Privilege as an excuse, so I guess it’ll be “national security.” What a bunch of phony asses.
Ann–
Kagro X has done a bangup job of explaining both proceedures in the link I gave you and in this one at Next Hurrah (EW’s old digs):
Brush up on Contempt of Congress by Kagro X
Rodrieguez has lawyered up with Bob Bennett (where do these “civil servants” get the 6 figures to lawyer up with the top of the line?)and I give him 50-50 to invoke the 5th amendment if and when he appears before the House Intelligence Committee.
He of course, has “done nothing wrong”, but his insurance is paying a million or more legal bill to Bill Bennett and his entourage.
Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance
I should have used Bill Bennet’s name both times above.
Well, when you conspire with someone to destroy evidence, seems to me you’re pretty much committed to help with legal fees. Can’t tell me he destroyed those tapes all on his own without anyone’s supervision! As to invoking the fifth, that’s what use immunity is for, it seems to me.
It’s another former PM…one that’s even more right-wing, and who had to resign because of his role in creating a group that bombed public places in order to raise fear that the left were planning a revolution. He’s also known to be more than a bit insane.
The source is Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, an exposed right-wing Fascist who managed bothe Operation Gladio and was involved with the notorious P2 Masonic Lodge when they were bombing train stations and student demonstrations back in the 1970’s and ’80’s. These groups were staunchly Catholic, anti-Communist, and also virulently anti-Semitic.
He has made similar statements before. Right after 9/11 he made the suggestion that Mossad was likely involved simply because it was too complex for it to have been accomplished by Al Qaida. He provided no more evidence than this but simply said…”it will come out”. He has also made statements that the belief was widespread amongst the “radical left” that the CIA was behind it. This simply sounds more of the same…and I’m a bit surprised it’s making news. It’s nothing new…except that the people pushing it seem to be suggesting that Cossiga is “widely respected”. That’s patently false.
When he was a Vice-Minister of Defense from 1966-68 he administered the secret NATO-CIA backed “Gladio” Unit (gladiators) which soon thereafter began a campaign of counter-revolutionary covert operations designed to assign blame on the left and to suggest that there was an internal war between different elements. When a brave, young Italian Judge began to find the right-wing sources of these attacks, Cossiga (then Interior Minister) attempted to block the investigation of the Gladio and its links with the Italian regime.
In the 1970’s he was notorious for suppressing the leftwing student movements, sending waves of Italian police and Army into campuses, searching rooms, and making arrests, often on trumped up charges from planted evidence. Thousands of Italian students were expelled.
Cossiga later “privatized” the Gladio, creating the P2 (Propoganda Due’) Masonic Lodge, to carry out the activities. Many argued that he demonstrated quite bizarre “paranoic” tendencies to justify his involvement in such groups.
Cossiga hasn’t been involved in government in almost a decade and thus would be unlikely to know any details of the role the CIA played in the 9/11 attacks. He certainly has played up the Mossad linkage which is true to form for his ideological leanings.
But Cossiga being a reliable and trusted source? I think not…at least not until he is in the dock facing severe criminal charges…and even then everything would have to be checked and double checked through independent sources.
http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm
I was about to sign and send this on to attorney friends when I clicked through and saw that Ron Paul is heavily involved.
Un-uhh, ain’t gonna do anything that’s tied to him.
Please, next time more info before linking.
Did they amend the constitution of the state of Indiana? Hoosiers have a constitutional right to judge the law as well as the facts, and also have rights of conscience enshrined in the state constitution.
Jailing “errant” jurors seems to fly in the face of both of these rights in the state constitution.