I don’t know about anyone else, but to say I’m loving watching the Village Republicans panic over Huckabee is a huge freaking understatement. Krauthammer and Nooner have already weighed in. Now George Will and Novakula join in the fun today.
First, they both weirdly compare Huck to Nixon.
Sez Will:
On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee’s role in the ’70s Show involves blending Jimmy Carter’s ostentatious piety with Nixon’s knack for oblique nastiness.
Sez Novakula:
Huckabee can come across as either a Reagan or a Nixon.
Come on, guys. You write for the same damn paper. You could’ve at least staggered your "Huck as Slippery Dick" takes a few days apart, for maximum effect.
Anyway, Novakula wants us all to know that the Southern Baptists really don’t like Huckabee, and that he’s not really, deep down, a conservative.
More than personality explains why not all his Baptist brethren have signed on the dotted line for Huckabee. He did not join the "conservative resurgence" that successfully rebelled against liberals in the Southern Baptist Convention a generation ago.
Translation: Even though Huck was working Reagan campaign events in 1980 he was too liberal for the SBC, which probably means he let it slip in a moment of weakness that he thought emancipation might not be such a bad idea.
Novak’s whole point seems to be that, because one Judge Paul Presser, an SBC leader, has endorsed Fred Thompson, that itself means Southern Baptists don’t support Huckabee, and therefore, neither will evangelicals.
Pressler told me: "I would never do anything to hurt him." But he did not go so far as endorsing Huckabee for president, and that sends a strong message to conservative evangelicals.
That is some weak-ass tea, Novakula. Talk about wishful thinking.
Cue Will:
‘Don’t Mormons,’ he [Huckabee] asked in an innocent voice, ‘believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?’ " Imagine someone asking "in an innocent voice" this: "Don’t Jews use the blood of gentile children to make matzoh for Passover?"
Wow, over the top. What Huckabee did was float a theologically correct though embarrassing aspect of the Mormon Church in mixed company. It was akin to saying, "Don’t Catholics eat Jesus’ body?" or "Don’t Orthodox Jews pray, ‘Thank God I’m not a woman’?" It’s a smear that plays to evangelical bigotry, yes. But to compare that to dealing in medieval anti-Semitic cannibalistic myths? Yikes.
Will continues:
Huckabee’s campaign actually is what Rudy Giuliani’s candidacy is misdescribed as being — a comprehensive apostasy against core Republican beliefs.
Er, that would be true, George, if this were 1976. But Huck is a perfect, top-of-the-line, George W. Bush Republican, the guy you endorsed in 2000 and 2004. And your party has won elections precisely because of people like Huck for the past 27 years.
Don’t you think it’s a little rude to pretend you don’t know them, now that they’re embarrassing you at the country club?
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BT!
Maybe they can dig up Nixon’s corpse and run him again?
I must be on a roll today! Told downstairs, now to read.
Oh oh, watch out: ccmask once said in a thread soem months ago that three zeds in a row is great but four in a row is bad news… (Congrats all the same.)
Wow, BT this is a media elite hit job. They must be afraid that the quail legs and sausage will dry up if the Huckster wins.
Not 4 in a row. I had the last one. :-)
OT
Daschle’s being replayed from Tuesday (Pakistan elections hearings) on C-SPAN. He looks so much better than when he was in the Sen. More youthful haircut, new eyeglass frames, whatever else, it works for him.
Damn straight.
Schadenfruede* is better than no fruede at all.
*Being happy at Rs disarray.
Guess they feel four is too greedy! (Course they wouldn’t think that if it was them) But this is not actually consecutively. I believe the last post slipped by me. And thanks again, Biodun!
They’re horrified, fo sho.
Gotta watch out for the distribution of zeds. If those at the top get too many, and those at the bottom get none, it could lead to disgruntlement or worse here at FDL. Perhaps we should develop a zed redistribution policy.
I love this ! The Repubs cuddled up to the wingnuts to get elected and now they are stuck to them like glue. The DC Repubs must be horrified at the thought of this redneck being in the WH with his two thuggish sons. Is it possible that the Saudi prince or the President of France can do-si-do when they comes to visit?
Reid holding Pro Forma session to block Bush’s recess appointments: via TPM
Money republicans would have done well to pay a little closer attention to Scripture:
“As ye sow, so shall ye reap.”
Or the Buddhist version if you prefer:
Karma’s a bitch!
BT, another great post. I am having a little fun watching the train wreck that is the Republic campaign. I think Huck is nuts, and much too much of a zealot to be President. I don’t trust him worth a damn, but I don’t think he’ll be electable in a general election, so I hope he makes it thru the primary as the candidate of the Rethugs. My guess is you’d like to see him win too, eh, BT?
Suddenly I’m liking Christianty more.
And this whole Huckabee religious (and somewhat monstrous, in all its meanings) juggernaut, and all the hoopla in its wake, will soon collapse on its head, and will then be beaten to death by MSM. Quite frankly I’m getting sick of it.
Law of the unintended outcome is a cliche that might be appropriate to Rovian schenanigans.
So I take it you’re slowly becoming a zedophile? And joining the zedocracy? If so, welcome!
Insofar as that derives from a pair of Old Testament verses, you must be liking Judaism…
I’ve gotten a few of my own. In the interest of the rest of the community, though, I now practice self-restraint & allow others the honor. *g*
Will and Novak are right wing bunglers, trying to pull their chestnuts out of the wingnut fire in hell. For at least the last 30 years the GOP has been trying to capture the fundies. And now they are stuck with them. The likes of Bush, Romney, and Huckabee. The Republicans have created a monster, who has taken over what their disgusting political party has become.
Nixon is starting to look good
“Be careful what you wish for.”
The “Moral Majority” knows that there only hope is Huckabee. Does anyone actually believe that Romney, Guilliani, Thompson or McCain would keep the “Faith Based Initiatives” and have weekly spiritual advisor calls with the Whitehouse?
HRC is taking cues from ole Huckabee; she was talking about her favorite scripture and proclaiming almost 50 years as a believer on the trail yesterday.
You know, for the benefit of some of those like Huck, that believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, I sure wish someone would drag out that episode of West Wing wherein Jeb manages to completely demolish that “Dr.” that was representing herself as a therapist. The one where he quotes scripture and asks questions like, “If my mother works on the Sabbath, do I have to kill her myself or can I have someone do it for me?” Wouldn’t you just love to see the look on someone like Huck’s face to be put down in that way? Do you think we could expect that in a Presidential debate if Huck is the Rethug candidate?
Brain fart on my part. Of course it’s OT. NT is mostly about now reaping what you sow.
http://www.semanticbible.com/hyperconc/S/Sow.html
Just as long as she doesn’t do that “Southern” voice again.
My 28: make that noT sowing, not noW sowing.
LOL. Well she was the first lady of a Red State.
If Huckabee gets in, guys like Ralph Reed will rise up and climb back out of the garbage.
Huckenfreude is the best freude of all!
That was so phony baloney everyone could see through it. Or maybe not.
Pehaps HRC noticed how well pretending to be a Christian has worked for the Decider.
Months and months ago, I picked Huckabee out of the candidate line-up to emerge as the eventual front runner on the Republican side. His folksy demeanor and faith based sincerity made him seem like a reasonable candidate for the right to fall in behind. The scary thing is these are the same people that were fooled into voting for Bush in 2000 and 2004.
And Bush is a phony Texan, with an adjustible Texas accent.
As I said, monstrous juggernaut (see link in 18). And remember, there are dogs involved.
As someone who grew up in the South and has lived all over, you do tend to sound like the folks you hear everyday. It is a defense mechanism. Some folks do overplay it but it is real.
Isn’t he in jail yet! Haven’t heard anything about him in some time. Anybody got the scoop?
If Huck makes it, it will be government ‘by the book’, the “Good Book”. Huckabee has mentioned more than once recently that the reason for his momentum is that its God’s will.
cue zombie voice: must…stop…mormon
President of some Political Consulting Firm – Century Strategies.
Agree. But she’s been living in NY and DC these past several years, yes?
Yeah, but wasn’t she reading a poem? I’ve had college profs who read some poetry in a similar way. I’m not a fan of HRC but mostly because I don’t believe she has the right policies; not because of her mannerisms. (However, she does do something that bothers me. She has a habit of tilting her head in such a way that she appears to be looking down he nose at people, literally. She seems to always have her nose high in the air. Some say that makes her look regal; I say it makes her look haughty)
I believe his good buddy Jack Abramoff is in the slammer. But I don’t Ralph is. Perhaps I’m wrong on this. I think Reed is plotting his political comeback after the loss he suffered in his attempt to become Lt. Guv of Georgia.
DC would have some variants of southern accent still.
I love it. For years the rethugs have been throwing red meat to their fundie base. Now, the little monster has turned into a real beast and is biting them on their putrid butts.
Chomp on, chomp on.
As I said, dogs are involved, by way of a son (Milton’s “let the child be the father of the man”), in this runaway and amok narrative…
Reed doesn’t have to worry much until we have a new Attorney General. Amazing what the DOJ can drag their feet on when they want to. And who they can throw in the slammer when they decide, thinking of the Alabama governor and CEO of Qwest.
Just heard from Sam Sedar on AAR that Ann Coultergist said…”it is the Liberals fault for Huckabee’s rise in the polls”
Liberals? WTF?
Just who does she think they are polling?
Good think I can ROFLMAO without medication
I knew you would catch me on that one. But it was too late to do anything about it. Not kidding. Now where in the hell is that g*dd*mn edit function?
But I thought he was being investigated for wrongdoing with the Indians and money. Or should I say with the Indian’s money.
My pet Hillary peeve is “ya know.” I’ve emailed her on it, since it sounds so unprofessional to my ear. I think she’s been trying to train it out.
But as with you, it’s her policies that bother me.
In prep for Wesley Clark on Sunday’s Book Salon, listen to how neocon is was in this Brian Lehrer interview. Clark is a close advisor to Hillary & sometimes mentioned as a running mate.
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/11/28
That’s all right. I forgot to mention that she also has to listen to mush mouths like Sessions and Graham all the time which also probably throws a hook in there.
Nope. (We’re probably talking about different events: She’s done it more than once.) She was making a speech down South. Obama also made a speech in front of the same audience. They were both trying to capture Rep. John Lewis’s enorsement at that event. Lewis has since gone with Mama.
OT
Clarence Thomas hates his job, but keeps at it as a public service. Hmmm. Perhaps he could be enticed away?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..s-his-job/
Um…Biodun, yhm …I’ll add the virtual eggnog, if it helps.
All that’s happening with Huckabee, is an just an extension of bush’s “We’re in too deep to stop now” idiocy.
The Base will do ANYTHING to protect their belief-set that it’s all Jeebus’ will, and when Huckabee claimed that God was on his side, he got an ass of potential votes from the flat-earthers. What could be more appropriate? ?
Driftglass has been saying for 4 years that the GOP has pandered to, and empowered, this fucking neanderthal frankenstein of snaketwirlers, and that it would come back to nail THEM, in a foine show of kharmic payback.
Bite, ye wiley sarpint of God! BITE! :o) :o) :o)
Shorter TB: I would LOVE to see Huckabee head into the Repub convention with, at the LEAST; HUNDREDS of delegate votes with which to barter for a few more holes on the starboard side of the Titanic, to make sure she doesn’t correct to the PORT, as she goes down. :o)
Are Will’s and Novak’s corporate masters afraid that Huck would dial back War machine spending and increase Medicaid and Social Services funding? Although Huck is a disaster for womens’ rights, he may be inclined to want to help the masses in his own biblical way. American Taliban style, but with social welfare. Mean Conservatism hates social spending.
That’s right. I blieve it’s still an ongoing investigation (I might be wrong on this). But I don’t think as of yet, Reed has been charged with anything.
Well, I didn’t see MFNC’s succinct little summary @48, until after I posted, but we’s of a mind, we is. :o)
…Lewis’s endorsement… (there)
George Will and Robert Novak absolutely deserve the Huckster.
Sitting there, looking glum and never speaking, voing the way Scalia says to…what’s to hate?
I’m confused. So despite the fact that the entire GOP establishment worships St. Ronnie, they’ve got a problem with someone who mixes Reagan and Nixon, instead of just giving his Nixonian nastiness free reign, like Rudy?
Now we find out. Hating a job he wasn’t in the least qualified for in the first place, and then be willing and desperate enough to suffer through “high-tech lynching”–*g*–(his famous words) to get it.
I saw Rudy’s Christmas ad the other day. Rudy promises to “appointment strict constructionist judges. So will Mitt and Huckabee. Strict constructionist” is a code.
But see that’s the problem. They could control St Ronnie. Nixon they couldn’t control so that’s the aspect of the Huckster that pains them (that and a little too much populism and anti-corporatist activity)
Please don’t put ideas in one of my heads…*g* (Ok, I’m getting out of hand, I know. So I’ll behave.)
He’d be doing a public service if he waits a year and quits after Jan. 21st or so 2009. We need to appoint the seat.
Chris Cilizza rewrites history the Wapoo blogger said the internet is responsibe for the rise of religion in politics.
Please stop helping us Clarence. You’ve serviced us quite enough. My arse hurts.
And Novakula is most certainly part of the monstrosity.
I clicked thru & read the underlying article in the Orange County register. It’s a hoot. The audience really loved Thomas.
http://www.ocregister.com/news…..whose-life
Huckabee Hound…
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi…../Huck.jpeg
Thomas likes to drive a motor home. Perhaps if we park a really elaborate one in his driveway, he’d get in & take off & we’d never hear from him again.
OTOH, he’s so thin-skinned & bitter, maybe you could get him to quit with a sustained ridicule offensive.
Sure hope they’re being cognizant of the statute of limitations. Hate to see a perfectly good opportunity to put that baby-faced guy in the slammer. Think he’d be a big hit there.
And the billions of “faith based” dollars. I was yucking it up about the moron Bush in 1999..all of the Thugs scare the shit out of me..and one of them could win in ‘08. When it comes time to “pull the lever”, at least 44% will vote for the Thug on the ballot
Chris Cillizza is an idiot. Tweety keeps having him on his show. And Cillizza keeps making an ass of himself.
From eCAHN’s link @ 75:
Oh yeah? He could have fooled all of us, and most of all, Anita Hill.
I find some of his rhetoric troubling (vague and undefined references to islamofascism, al Qaeda, all options on the table), eCAHN, but I’m not sure I’d call him neocon. He seems to be mainly calling for diplomacy to solve international problems. In what ways do you find him neocon?
New thread upstairs; and CTuttle beat me to it!
Hounds of the Bass Carvilles.
SteveAr, one caveat with your last post: They cannot win. :o)
But they can sure drag the GOP so far to the right that they will get their asses kicked so hard that it will be a generation or two before they recover. :o)
I’m toying with the idea of sending Huck $10. :o)
SteveAr; but in ‘99, there was no clusterfuck-in-the-desert to point to, and Bill Clinton had handed the GOP a baseball bat, courtesy of Monica, with which to ass-ream Al Gore. (If he held still for it; which he did.)
Bilbo, I’m suspicious of Clark, too. He’s all over the lot, on the issues.
I should have added; another minus for Clinton, to be keeping him around.
You might be correct, tanbark, but in the WNYC interview he seems to me to be saying pretty much the same sort of thing he was saying back in May and the Annual Kos meeting.
s/and the Annual Kos meeting./at the Annual Kos meeting./
I think the rhetoric is the true Clark and the diplomacy is lip service. The rhetoric suggests he doesn’t really have any understanding at all of the Iran. Now I don’t think he’ll do the bombing thing, despite his well demonstrated propensity for that activity, but am uncomfortable in the extreme with someone opining on a subject where they demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge. That’s the sense in which he is a neocon, as well as his pride in how the military solution worked when he was in charge.
Thanks for coming back to respond, eCAHN.
What an asshole! Of course we knew that. But it’s still surprising to see him parade his selfishness in front of the world. Republican values. Only money counts, and there isn’t any money in being a Supreme.
What a pitiful excuse for a man.
See a tongue-in-cheek graphic that defines candidate Huck-A-Bee…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com/…..ckabee.php
It’s precisely because the Rich feel completely separate from the rest of Society that they can ‘distance themselves’ from anybody or hire anybody with completely honest disdain.
They hire politicians, they don’t trust them or believe in them or follow them.
Huckabee is just an embarrassment to them and probably wouldn’t cut their taxes. But, having the religious Right vote might make him electable. That would truly be a huge embarrassment to the Rich — who think they control who gets elected.