Hi Attaturk

g’morning attaturk. time for me to head off to bed

g’nite all

Doesn’t all that mean that we SHOULD leave now?

night suzanne. sleep well.

Attaturk, what time zone are you in?

Nite, Suz. Hi, Attaturk.

Yeah, great. The good news is the Iraqi’s all agree, they hate us. Beautiful. See? Bush really is a uniter. /snark

Central Time zone.

I’m an early to bed early to rise person…and try not to blog too much during my self-designated work hours.

The sooner we leave the better. To hell with the war mongers within both our major political parties. Gore Vidal makes a compelling, albeit unlikely, case for dear Dennis Kucinich. Anyone believe John Edwards might choose Kucinich on his ticket in the happy event he achieves the nomination?

Wow. I am central also but haven’t been able to sleep much yet.

Doubt it. Kucinich is right about many things, but he’s perceived as a flake by too many people for him to get a vp nod. He may be appointed to the next prez’s cabinet.

breaking news:

Giuliani in Hospital With Flu-Like Symptoms
from NYT > Home Page by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Republican Rudy Giuliani was admitted to a hospital Wednesday night for flu-like symptoms, his campaign said.

Good plan! *g

ohno! chicken flu!

Dept. of Peace?

heh, heh - fueled by current polls no doubt.

Well, that’s supposed to be the State Dept., but it hasn’t been very good at the whole “peace thing” lately.

I saw this head line in my rss reader:

Ruby Performance Snapshot

lol, i misread it and thought “Rudy” *g

Oh, the Dept. of Freedom! *g

Going to try for sleep again.

See y’all another time.

I bet Bernie Kerik is freaking out these days. He was counting on his buddy becoming president and having the magical pardon powers to help him out. With Rudy’s campaign fading fast, Kerik must realize he’s looking at doing hard time. Bummer.

Nite, TexBetsy. Think I’m going to turn in too. See all you lovely firepups tomorrow.

Good morning Attaturk and firepups.

Bwahahahahahaha - maybe Bernie has some significant blackmail material he can trade to federal investigators…oh wait - silly me - past time for bed. Niters intrepid fellow citizens.

bah, I think we need am ISP boom again. Instead of all this craptastic centralization of ISP have lotsa local ones again with apache2 ,php5 and shell accounts :D

morning!

hi!

hey tw3k, howya doing? are you at the beginning or end of your day?

coffee ritual :)

mmmm coffee.

how you’ve been? i’ve been checking in a bit and it appears that you are attentive :)

Attaturk -

Is that one of those DFH t-shirts? *g*

You made some comment the other day to the effect that noone else wanted this shift…I’m one of those whose internal timeclock finds this the very best part of the day….and it sure is nice to have you here to share it with.

tw3k -

As usual, I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re talking about wrt apache2, php5 and shell accounts but I have an indy ISP that I value so much that even lack of high speed access keeps me loyal. It has provided much needed local information and service to the region it services.

Good morning pups!

attentive

?

i don’t know if that good or bad.

no coffee for me this morning… ran out before my monthly peets fair trade arrived. :(
tea for me this morning. must have my caffeine fix even if i must miss out on coffee.

hm, that’s cool. I mis the indy ISPs. Not that they gone completely, just not as prevalent as in the past. Shell account is what you normally get from an indy ISP. It amounts to a small working user space for e-mail, web page serving, file space and programing tools.

It’s good!

And man, I’m a wreck if i don’t get the java.

Ahh, interesting. One of our firepups must have such an account since her web site shares part of my same URL.

I’m a wreck if i don’t get the java.

yeah, you may want to avoid me until the peets arrives. (maybe today? i hope)
…..

here’s a committee hearing i want to watch today:

10 am - House Judiciary
Hearing on Applicability of Federal Criminal Laws to the Interrogation of Detainees

good idea!

yeah, is that on cspan1? cspan1 seems like the most boring to me, i dunno.

Good morning, pups. It’s TOMC and Roger Cohen in the NYT today. TOMC has a holiday political quiz. Mr. Cohen, writing from London, says that Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s lack of glitz and sparkle has come to seem what it is in the modern political age: a drawback. Maybe we should inquire of him who is the “sparkliest” of the current candidates, and then save ourselves the trouble of primaries and an election. If sparkle is what’s needed, that is…

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. I am SOOOO looking forward to two 4-day weekends… Have a grand day.

what OS you use?

looks like cspan1. also webcast at the house judiciary committee website.

does the jc use realaudio?

I’m back again after returning to bed for a spell.

I’ve been thinking about Reid’s pulling the FISA bill consideration and saying he may not bring it back until after the primaries. I wonder if he’s going to pull a last minutes rush-through of a crappy bill based on a “We gotta do something fast cuz the old bill expires in a couple of days” strategy?

hm, that’s cool. I mis the indy ISPs. Not that they gone completely, just not as prevalent as in the past. Shell account is what you normally get from an indy ISP. It amounts to a small working user space for e-mail, web page serving, file space and programing tools.

I still have one indy ISP account. It’s dial up, of course, but no shell. I keep it mainly because I use the Web space it provides as a backup of my primary site that’s on a server farm.

A whole lotta songs come to mind with that one.

Like the SNL “Oh no! It’s Mister Bill!” and, of course, “I’m just a bill, I’m only a bill”

Does “X” sound like the right answer? *g*

realaudio - yes.

iirc, that’s a problem for you?

is windowz any better?

lol, yeah, sounds right.

my isp used to be independent but they sold out. ;(

bah, windoze. idk, i’m on linux now and i haven’t and don’t really want to try realaudio.
mp3 or ogg!

it was like a cartoon of successfully bigger fish eating smaller fish.

the only way i can help is to rip you an audio.

but the future looks better… the openhouseproject has included mp3 audio archives in their plans (don’t know if it was because i bugged them or not - but i tried)

idk, i’m on linux now …

Thought I read the other day that one could be a pre-loaded Linux box from Walmart. I’d be tempted if I didn’t have to buy it from Walmart.

I’m windoze here (XP on my desktop, Vista on my laptop). My main ISP is Verizon FIOS.

tw3k -

Or 10.4.10? Suffice it to say, it’s my Mac and I’m stickin’ to it!

selise -

Hope they’re running it on C-Span3 as well…I can arrange to be in the car at 10 in order to catch it.

Bilbo @ 42 -

Yup, sounds right up the twit’s alley.

Drifting by. Macconnect is dial up but good

Selise, was reading your comments last night on Huck and bariatrics earlier. After thinking about it for a while, I think I mainly agree with you, but with possible caveat that we ought to have a bit more latitude in investigating character during candidacy and perhaps somewhat less once the candidate has actually achieved office.

Congratulations FDL: 47,000,000 site visits!

—–Geeks R Us

Great and sounds good!

Good morning everyone. ;-)

Sen. Suzie-Q Collins of Maine has the same plan for Iraq: STAY THERE FOREVER BECAUSE TIMELINES TO LEAVE AND/OR DEADLINES MEANS THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON! Spit.

well, as a matter of fact. I was gifted one of them walmart specials. Interesting that it is no more robust than a seven years old mac. kinda cool tinkering with newer hardware tho. fun to see e on desktop too.

selisebilbowaccamawegregioiusnomoloskayinme&tw3k Good Morning!

yeah, i figured. but i’m on x.org so it’s all x after all :)

lol

Gesundheit

well, as a matter of fact. I was gifted one of them walmart specials. Interesting that it is no more robust than a seven years old mac.

Does that make it robust? Do you think it’s worth picking one up? You’re the first person I’ve known who owns one. Is it your main Linux box or do you have something else too?

Mornin’ Elliott. Cute.

Hayden testifies Addington, Gonzales, Bellinger [NSC] knew of CIA tapes:

Wapo linky

WASHINGTON JOURNAL
Thursday, December 20
7am - Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:30am - Rep. Stephen Cohen (D-TN), 9th District: Memphis
8am - Rep. Mike Conaway (R-TX), Budget Committee Member
8:30am - Health & Human Services Sec. Mike Leavitt
9am - Kit Batten, Center for American Progress, Energy & Environ. Policy Dir.

it’s totally cool for the non or wannabe hardware geek. It’d be cool it had a bios socket. Other than that you can stick more ram init and a gpu. The proprietary gpu that comes with it doesn’t work. Once you upgrade to ubuntu 8 the GLX drivers work. Fine for a e-mail/web station.

How many different people? How many lurkers and commentors? We need to show the Dem leadership numbers for all the Lefty sites after all we vote.

Looking for an ISP. Try www.theworld.com in Brookline Mass.

I went to the Ubuntu site and the current version is 7.10. Where do you get Ubuntu 8?

Stay in Iraq forever but what about Osama? Just when does Bush plan on going after him?

run

sudo update-manager -d

‘Morning Selise. We have a Peets in my BlueBayState corner and it’s a favorite hangout of mine. Need some personal intervention, just give the (executive) order. We can work out the details of the payback elsewhere.
We need your mind sharp.

that sounds right…. i don’t disagree about investigating the character issues.

been thinking more about it too. probably two things pushed my buttons.

1) there wasn’t any hard evidence - only speculation. if it’s true then it’s a character issue. but if it’s not true, then it’s not. imo, making it a character issue when there’s only speculation just seems wrong. and to make matters worse there seemed to be some mocking of his previous weight problems. that’s nuts - do we mock gore for gaining weight? i don’t fucking care - not my business.

2) there are lies and there are lies…

and on big scale of things, i don’t care if he did have surgery and lie about it. even for people with surgery, the vast majority gain back most of the weight loss - unless they live the rest of of their lives on a with serious exercise (at least this is what my old endocrinologist told me).

before reading the post i’d just found out about the house giving bush his blank check for war - after promising not to. now that’s a lie that i care about. so i go to fdl and this issue is that huckabee might have had weight loss surgery and lied (a lot) about it?

just pushed all my buttons in the wrong way - that is why i tried to back off.

Well, since everything has been a farce since 9/11/01, it’s just Osama Shomamma now! No one cares. He’s just a figure head to make everything the Bush Regime has done look legitimate. See? ;-)

Thanks. I see it’s an alpha– I think I’ll wait till April. I’m running 7.10 now and I’m pretty happy with it.

right now charter is running a special (at least in my part of ma).

internet, voip telephone (unlimited), and basic cable tv (includes cspan-1 and cspan-2).

all for 34.98/mo for 12 months.

i’ve never heard of such a price.

Signing off. Be back late tonite. Selise the coffee offer still stands and you know how find me.

yeah, i like the bleeding edge stuff.

Desert island repository list.

1. linux bios
2. init
3. gcc
4. x.org
5. e17
6. basic slice of userland

Well, I really respect your opinion and when you’re out of step with the majority around here, I really stop to think about what it is you’re saying. Thanks for being here.

I think we need to hammer this point. Pakistan has gotten how much money, advanced weapons etc from us? Plus we sent help and supplies after they had that earthquake, but Pakistan still won’t let us go after Osama?
Jeez if you bribe a guy and he stiffs you stop bribing him! Bush is acting like a Mark, he’s acting like an ATM for the Pakistanis. I would hope the Dems would have enough stones to stop any further aid to Pakistan unless we got to send troops in after Osama.
By pushing this point we attack Bush’s competence in handling the war and his pride we want history to portray him this way.

D’oh, forgot the kernel!

Morning Attaturk and pups,
Jane commented on Washington Journal that approx. 1% of visitors will comment here at the lake. Too early to do the math here but that seems like a whole lot o’ lurkers. *waving to lurkers*

You into Perl, tw3k? That’s my only real programming language and I use it extensively on my Web pages, mainly for text manipulation. Does the walmart special come with Perl installed? gcc?

morning BlueStateRedHead! i am hooked on peet’s fair trade blend (actually, i like a lot of peet’s but i’m trying to do the fair trade thing)…. and i have a monthly shipment of beans to my house. finished the last one a bit too soon.

recently i had a shipment with decaf by mistake. first day i got it i made a whole pot (as usual). tasted a bit different, but good…. but by 11 felt horrible - headache, tired. yuck. finally checked the label. lol.

Cool I’m a 1%er! Still we need numbers to scare the crap out Rahm.

The Bush Regime has always been an ATM for the terrorists. In early 2001, the Bush Regime sent over $40 million to the Taliban to “combat starvation and to get those pesky poppy fields disbanded” there in Afghanistan. Oops. A pre-terrorist attack payment? Hmmmmm….could be. And now we find out that the Saudis, the Iranians, the Pakistanis and others are financing the terrorists in Iraq, but Georgie remains silent.

The Reagan Years were also a constant flux of ATM handouts, death squads, and black market weapons too!

But hey, Georgie says he’s protecting us and we are safe now because Iraqis are dying over there. *rolling eyes* See?

Jane commented on Washington Journal that approx. 1% of visitors will comment here at the lake.

I lurked for quite a while too. I think it’s a good idea to try to figure out the rules of the road in a new community before plunging in.

I’ve haven’t really looked at perl since early incarnations of cgi.

I stick to basic shell and c programing and some php5.

I only had gOS, the walmart OS, on long enough to get the developer distro of ubuntu. Regardless of version you can just use apt-get or synaptic to install the developer environment of your choice.

fun stuff :D

Ghouliani’s in the hospital with flu-like symptoms.

Morning everyone!

Thanks for all the info, tw3k.

Thanks too to BlueStateRedHead for the ISP suggestion.

Fine bunch of folks here.

He must have seen a cross or stumbled into some garlic.

Lets pay for this war by declaring Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan supporters of Terrorism freeze their assets and use the money to pay for electric cars.
Also we need the tools at the MSM to start asking the GOP candidates how they plan to pay for this war.
We need a debate moderator with stones to say lowering taxes hasn’t worked for Bush and the DOW is lower when adjusted for inflation than it was when Bill was President.
So again I ask just how do you plan to pay for this war?

Ghouliani’s in the hospital with flu-like symptoms.

They said on the radio news this morning that he had been released. Also something about turning a plane around to return to point of departure so he could be treated? I was half awake when I heard it.

His cancer is probably back.

if things are going so well why did betrayous have to cancel his march report…..

We’re moving to C# at work, so I installed Mono on my Ubuntu laptop. Unfortunately it’s not ready for prime time yet. I’d like to see them finish that, to lure more Winblows programmers over to linux.

Sounds like we need to cut off your caffeine! *g* And a very good day to you, as well.

Nooo! I want our guys to run against him!

I think he depressed

Well, for starters, I just have enough in my bank account to pay my mortgage next week, plus buy 2 more presents for under the tree, but other than that…I can’t pay for no stinking war! Thanks for asking, though, and allowing me the opportunity to express how poor I actually am! LOL ;-)

Attaturk

Thanks for this post. The double talk continues. On one side we learn our leaving would reduce sectarian violence, creating a more peaceful society where democracy might have a chance. On the other hand we say we are staying forever, all the while forcing the new Iraqi government to form a democracy despite sectarian violence. Lovely Wheel of Fortune going on! And leaving means the terrorists have won? I thought Bush sold the war on a two step of WMD’s and the need for democracy and soveriegnty of the Iraqi people by downing Saddam Hussein?

If our government is so good at propaganda, then pitch that the US effort in Iraq is creating an environment for secure sovereignty so now we can leave. Now was THAT difficult? Then it is not, “The terrorists won.” If we can’t get a positive sum out of this at least do a zero sum.

Very good question? Any speculation why?

Poll numbers. He’s sick and depressed by his poll numbers! *smacking hand over mouth* Oh gawd. If it is cancer, then I will feel bad for saying that about Julie Annie. *blushing*

Sorry I meant for a debate moderator to ask the GOP Presidential Candidates that question I didn’t mean to put you on the spot:)

thanks. but maybe i’m full of it. when i’m out of step it makes me re-think too.

meh, i think the linux folks are doing just fine ;)

I was looking for the retraction in the NYT on the subtitle… did anyone find it?

Unfortunately, yes:

NYT Article, Correction Appended

Morning. I expected more snark over that unfortunate fire. Dependable Renegade didn’t let me down.

the official reason was yada yada yada….it’s not clear and also where are the 5k who were supposed to be coming home for Christmas

the media has assumed their pre war position

Thanks, MarieRoget. Small pill.

dependable renegade
All I’m saying is that if you’re gonna set a fire…

You mean the day Jonah Goldberg will proclaim the day the Liberals burned down the IKESTAG?

By the way…

MATLOCK BRODER above.

Another great question where are the 5K?

You’re welcome. Those small pills can be bitter, though…

He’s under enormous stress, like all the candidates. That stress is increased by his falling polls. He’s smart enough to know that his campaign is on it’s last legs, unless McCain has a heart attack. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if his cancer started to act up again. I don’t like the man, but I wouldn’t want that to happen to anyone. Politics is a rough trade.

The keenest Democratic disappointment — failing to force the president to rapidly withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq — IS NO DISAPPOINTMENT TO US.” (emphasis added)

What an odd thing to say. What a sad, strange and disturbing thing to say.

I cannot help but retain some affection for the Washington Post, my hometown paper of my youth. It stood for something then. It was the very symbol of the press’s obligation to pursue truth in the face of government lies. I cannot put into words how much the Post meant to so many people, how it felt to go to bed utterly depressed at how Nixon could seemingly get away with it all - the wiretapping, the enemies lists, the political dirty tricks, the secret and unconstitutional expansion of an already failed war in Vietnam into the neighboring country of Cambodia - and then get up the next morning to the Washington Post almost single-handedly renewing our faith in the founder’s vision of a press that confronts and exposes the corrupt exercise of power.

And so it is similarly difficult to convey my disillusionment at the Post’s willingness to embrace bush’s lies rather than expose them, and its willingness to become a cheerleader for this war borne of lies and perpetuated by lies.

In the past I have qualified my criticism of the Post, noting the excellent reporting of so many in its news pages, people like Walter Pincus and Robin Wright. But their excellent work in no way mitigates the Post’s institutional culpabililty for continuing to publish these obscenities from Hiatt and the rest of the neocon toadies on the Post’s editorial board.

The single statement from the Post’s editorial quoted at the beginning of my message will haunt the Post for many, many years. Most disturbing to me was its sheer petulance. There was a “f*ck you” quality to it in the way it implicitly acknowledged the profound disappointment felt by so many of the Post’s readers and then so abruptly rejected that sentiment without so much as a nod to any of the many reasons why so many millions who initially backed the war have turned against it.

Fred Hiatt and his coterie of neocon courtiers must be terminated before they can do more damage to the once venerable Post. Take a hint from Time magazine, which yesterday canned Krauthammer and Kristol. These neocons are thoroughly discredited. It is time to relegate them to the judgment of history and confront the painful and catastrophic consequences of their counsel. Rest assured, Washington Post, Hiatt will not be missed.

Take a hint from Time magazine, which yesterday canned Krauthammer and Kristol.

But they still have Joke Line. Time is a rag. Looks like the WaPoo is too.

Iraqis of all sectarian and ethnic groups believe that the U.S. military invasion is the primary root of the violent differences among them, and see the departure of “occupying forces” as the key to national reconciliation, according to focus groups conducted for the U.S. military last month.

Why do they put occupying forces in quotes ? That is what they are.

Cool I’m a 1%er! Still we need numbers to scare beat the crap out Rahm.

Fixed?