Swopa!

Where?

Told them downstairs; now to read.

hi swopa!

I am so sick of each & every D cave-in to bipartisanship. I’m an Edwards person, but he is guilty of this too. Geez, they give in before the hard work even begins. Can’t see how promising to include Rs who are so marginal in today’s R party will gain them anything in the general election either. They’ve got it all wrong.

I do not understand why any democrat’s desire to get votes and win, trumps what SHOULD be their outrage at the silence, AT BEST, of the GOP politicians whom they’re talking about putting into their cabinet.

And Goddammit, John Edwards, I’m talking to YOU first, since I still support you and think you’d make the best president. :o(

We don’t seem to have a federal Secretary of Action Movies. (I’d like to suggest returning him to Austria or anonymity, whichever is easier.)

I thought Arnold was OK on environmental policy stuff, no?

Hi Swopa.

Anold could be surgeon General. Doping in sports would be eradicated. Yah!

eCAHN, I did NOT read your post, before I put mine up, but I fervently hope that some member of John Edwards’ staff keeps a good eye on the Lake, and that our back-to-back shots, hit home.

Isn’t there another position that he might be more qualified for — or an appropriate job that could be created for him? The floor, dear FDL commenters, is open for your suggestions.

ohhh….ohhhh…ohhhh

secretary of gropage?

or even BETTER then arnold, how about the guy larry flint says is “about to leave the repulican party;

Flynt also claims he now has evidence about a closeted gay Republican senator who is not Larry Craig. “The other shoe’s going to drop any day,” Flynt says. “It’ll surprise a lot of people that he’s gay. And I’ll bet you he resigns the same day and rides off into the sunset.”

a shameless ot, sorry

I’ll see if I can email then a link.

I have it as a fact he used stuffed animals in one of his envernmental adds

As an Obama supporter, my response was - WTF?

I don’t get why the candidates all feel they need to appease David Broder for. Broder is a dinosaur. Joe Klein too.

Secretary of Inferior.

Maybe we can just leave all the countries we’ve invaded or occupied or built huge bases in, and Ahnuld can say “I’ll be back!” with enough conviction that people will just be nice to each other rather than have to put up with us again.

I think Lugar will keep as low a profile as he’s been keeping for a while now.

And I think that’s because he’s in line for the caretaker prez if Cheyney goes for “health reasons”, which resignation will mean the end of bush, too, since Darth is his insurance policy.

Obama’s record of missing votes throughout his career starting to gain attention. If you stand for nothing, you’ll sit for everything.

Demand better. Be better.
Edwards/Dodd ‘08

Jeff Farias of NovaM radio just joined the discussion downstairs.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Ambassador to Austria

Obama’s record of missing skipping votes throughout his career starting to gain attention. If you stand for nothing, you’ll sit for everything.

Fixed.

Demand better. Be better.
Edwards/Dodd ‘08

Ambassador to Paraguay.

Swopa, great post! All I can say is, “Holy shit!” I knew he didn’t have enough experience to be president, but I didn’t know he was such an asshole. What he’s really talking about at this point is to meld the two parties together seamlessly. All the easier for a dictatorship to take hold. He’s gonna be trouble!

Living in California, I can tell you that the only “leadership” the Gropinator Governator has shown has been in the field of shameless opportunism, something that I have a feeling isn’t rare in Washington, D.C., at all.

******Stop telling untruths.If Arnold is so bad on the environment why is the Montana Gov working with him to advance the Global Warming concepts.I guess ome folks hatered for most Repukes are so vast that’s rationality has left the room.

What really bothers me about all this is that there are so many good progessive Democrats available for cabinet positions. Why aren’t they ever mentioned?

Yes PS, I like your assignment better.

back downstairs I go

The highly esteemed & pressed Swopa! (Ok, I stole that from the Goon Show CD I’m listening to. Esteemed part still true nonetheless).

Great post. The Governator’s an opportunistic slug, but his ass will be grass in our state if he doesn’t prosecute the EPA case in the courts, & Arnold the Opportunist knows enough to know that. He will be Sec. of Nothing in any Dem administration, I’d bet quite a lot on it…

I haven’t made up my mind about who to support in my primary yet, but as a former resident of California, the suggestion to put Ahnold in an Obama candidate is either the kookiest or most brilliant idea ever, depending on your point of view.

A lot of Californians would cheer at the idea of getting Ahnold out of the governor’s mansion in Sacramento, but those of us in the rest of the country would pay a steep, steep price. Like I said, it’s either brilliant or kooky, depending on your zip code.

This does not inspire me to vote for Obama. Not in the least.

Lugar has been mailing in his vote on every single Republican atrocity put forward for years now. For a Democrat to reward such slavish behavior with an appointment as Sec of State (which is all Lugar’s ever wanted for his entire career) would be an insult to all of us who believe in putting country and duty before personal ambition.

Austria doesn’t want him. Didn’t they strip his dual citizenship or something?

Cal wants the Cafe(sp)standard to be 44 miles /gal.Where else in the US are they working for that mark ???

Obama, Nancy, Harry and Hillary.

Until the Repugs clean up their own party and actually become what they once were, the Dems should freeze them out. This reaching across the aisle crapola is WAY too early.

First of all, how many Democrats occupy Bush’s admin.? Why don’t pukes have to be bipartisan?

Second, the gropinator is the beneficiary of a coup (Gray Davis faced no charges, he just took the heat for Cheny/Bush/Lay’s Enron games).

WTF would a Democrat reward that?

Secretary of Medical Marijuana

bandied about names like Sens. Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel. He’s a added a new name to the list of possible Republicans cabinet members - Arnold Schwarzenegger.

What the f****. I mean what the hey hey. At first I thought Obama is Joe-lite Lieberman. Now I am beginning to think maybe they were separated at birth, him and Lieberman. (Birthdates no factor for sci-fi fans).
And just where will Obama be when Dodd and Kennedy and Feingold are fighting against Telcom immunity this January? I wonder? What’s more important than fighting for the constitution and the rule of law? Fundraising parties with Oprah? /rant off.

How’s about Health and Human Services? He’s into physical fitness, after all, and he sure has “serviced” us Californicators right well.

Henry Kissinger: Unofficial roving ambassador to France, Brazil, Chile, Spain, and Argentina.

Tancredo’s out. Maybe he’d like to serve in the cabinet of a D prez.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....house-bid/

We don’t seem to have a federal Secretary of Action Movies. (I’d like to suggest returning him to Austria or anonymity, whichever is easier.)

Well, if Obama wants to create a Sec’y of Action Movies, then he can name Ahnold to that post, because it’s the only post I find him qualified for in any Democratic Administration that I would support.

I think Arnie performs as good as guv as he did as an actor. One of the last things I did before moving out of the rat race that Sacramento has become, was to vote against Arn.

Respectfully, let’s get serious. The only way to co-opt the right wing crooks in this country is to do exactly what Obama proposes, bring in reasonable non hack Republican cabinet members such as Lugar, Hagel and Arnold. These are well motivated people. They are not the petty office seekers which the Clintons function off such as Albright, Tenet, Berger, etc. I have no real case to make for Obama but WE cannot afford the Clintons for another eight years. It was Clinton with his nonsense which strengthened the right wing crooks and I cannot believe the amnesia. The Clintons wasted valuable years of this country’s time. And Obama will not bring that level of frivolity to our national personna.

I think Arnie performs as good as guv as he did as an actor.

Damning with faint praise, for sure. *g*

Tancredo to head immigration policy? *scary* Or how about Tom Delay to be given some sort of ethics in government type leadership role in Obama’s administration.

Respectfully, let’s get serious. The only way to co-opt the right wing crooks in this country is to do exactly what Obama proposes, bring in reasonable non hack Republican cabinet members such as Lugar, Hagel and Arnold. These are well motivated people

I disagree Lugar and Hagel have been good little apparatchniks of the Chimp administration. And Schwarzenegger has to be one of the most atrocious choices for governor ever.

The highly esteemed & pressed Swopa! (Ok, I stole that from the Goon Show CD I’m listening to. Esteemed part still true nonetheless).

If you’d seen the workload at my job the past month, you’d know that the “pressed” part applies, too!

Regarding BMcGrath’s comments, I’ll admit that a politician who does the right thing only out of opportunism is far better than the ones who won’t do it even then.

I don’t think there’s any need to be talking about Republicans in anyone’s cabinet. However, I did come to respect Hagel. I know I would disagree with him much on domestic issues, but he had a lot of integrity on Iraq and pretty much ended his own career.

You think Lieberman is not frivolity? I’m stunned.

Secretary of Indefensible

leftdcin72: I think we should never forget how Hagel got elected in the first place. He was CEO of AIS, now ES&S voting machine company. They were in charge of the machines and the counting of the votes. It was a surprise upset almost never before seen in Nebraska. His opponent had a 17% lead in polls the day before the election. I think it’s tragic that he did that because in many ways he’s been a voice of reason for the repubs, but I could never trust anyone who like Bush used voting machines to steal elections.

I figured Obama out. He is doing this because:
-he really really wants Fred Hiatt & Broder’s endorsement
-Krugman’s non-existent son would–if Krugman had a son-probably not support Obama since Obama caved in on Social Security==that is, if he had a son, which he doesn’t.

Well Hillary Clinton would appoint Michael O’Hanlon. Same difference.

Alas, I can only read this ridiculous stance by Obama (and Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein, Reid, et al. on certain issues) as evidence that we’re thoroughly, totally, in-every-way fucked. If we can’t get a noncorporate, non-appeasement, even vaguely ethical populist candidate like Edwards or Dodd in there, we’re lost. Once again, the “superstar” Dems (along with the repellent “blue dog Dems”) appear to be ABSOLUTELY UNABLE, or perhaps more accurately, UNWILLING, to learn the obvious lessons of the last 7 years and act like a party in power. God this is depressing.

I won’t vote for Obama because he’s obviously a drug dealer. I won’t vote for Hillary because she said he was. That pretty much leaves me focusing on Dodd/Edwards.

I’ll second that!

Yeah. Hagel is the Diebold guy.

what has lieberman got to do with this except the Clintons supported him, not Obama. I would expect that Obama and Edwards would stay away from lieberman, if elected. I agree with you, Lieberman is total bad news. But whatever Obama says about or has said about lieberman or does with lieberman at this point is a footnote. lieberman will not be a player and if we control the senate in 08, we kick him out of the majority. I expect that to happen.

The only way to co-opt the right wing crooks in this country is to do exactly what Obama proposes, bring in reasonable non hack Republican cabinet members such as Lugar, Hagel and Arnold.

You can’t coopt the wingnuts by smooching up to RINOs. These guys are so far out of mainstream Rs, it’s not only useless to consider them, it also makes you seem weak, and we know what the Rs do to Ds who seem weak.

The Clintons wasted valuable years of this country’s time.

Geez. Where did you ever come up with that line???!!! I have my probelms with Bill, more after the fact than at the time, but “waster valuable years of this country’s time?” For starters, I’d gladly change those 8 years for W’s. And what was wrong with the economy? Did we get involved in major wars? What planet are you living on?

Secretary of Going Back in Time and Terminating the Florida Butterfly Ballot.

At which point, President Gore could appoint him Secretary of Going Further Back in Time and Convincing Me to Choose a Different Running Mate.

I assume you are not aware that Obama selected Lieberman to be his mentor in the Senate and campaigned for Lieberman during the primary last year?

Well, you’ve got to give those “independants” in NH another reason to skip voting for any of the Republicans running by promising them all the Republicans they want in an administration.

Secretary of Going Back in Time and Terminating the Florida Butterfly Ballot.

At which point, President Gore could appoint him Secretary of Going Further Back in Time and Convincing Me to Choose a Different Running Mate.

Ooh, I think we’ve got our winner.

The impression here is that Guv Arnie would like to be appointed to a position in the womens locker room.

O’Hanlon has really schocked me of late. The worst of the worst, will all the implications for Hillary.

On the modest proposal side, It seems that Mitt Romney can become pretty much anything you want in short order. For the right postion, he might be more progressive than any of the democratic candidates. To paraphrase someone, he’s got principles, and by God if you don’t like them, he’ll get other principles.

Michael O’Hanlon. Expert of all trades, master of none?

Michael O’Hanlon specializes in U.S. national security policy. He is senior author of the Iraq Index. A former defense budget analyst who advised members of Congress on military spending, he specializes in Iraq, North Korea, homeland security, the use of military force and other defense issues. He is also director of Opportunity 08.

I mean most academics I know specialize in something specific.

If Huck or Hillary gets in, I think there very well may be a place in either administration for Lieberman.

On the modest proposal side, It seems that Mitt Romney can become pretty much anything you want in short order. For the right postion, he might be more progressive than any of the democratic candidates. To paraphrase someone, he’s got principles, and by God if you don’t like them, he’ll get other principles.

Obama/Romney 08 = 100% of the votes.

During the past election Arnold told everyone that he had balanced the budget. So 6 months later he wants to decimate education and support for poor people.

The environment things are all from his wife.

He will go down in history as the joke that he is.

FWIW, from the previous post:

New calculation, based on the 291 items now on Hugh’s List. Hugh’s Scroll would now be:

16-pt. Helvetica - 164 feet

14-pt - 127 feet

12-pt. - 96′6″

10-pt. - 69 feet

That’s if you cut out all the page-top and page-bottom margins…

Arnold had some of his hummers converted to eco-friendly type vehicles. There was a story on NPR. I don’t remember the energy source that was used. I do remember that Arnold took advantage of the opportunity to bash marijuana use, though. (See picture above of the big fat hypocrite.)

Uh oh. Are we still “winning” the war?

I notice the GOP candidates haven’t been running around saying they’ll hire Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer.

-G

I vant to schmoke some pahht.

-Der Doobienator

I think Kirk Murphy wrote a post on Arnold and California and the environment, didn’t he?

Dr. Condi Rice specialized in the old and obsolete Soviet Union. And it wasn’t long ago she was being touted as presidential timber. ;0)

I was referring to O’Hanlon’s oped about invading Pakistan. Haven’t checked his Iraq index recently. Will go over & see if we’re still winning.

That’s cuz only the Dems are supposed to be bi-partisan and bow down to the will of Broderella and the VSP inside the Beltway.

No, but most of them will mention “my good friend Joe Lieberman” in some context or other. Even George Bush had Norm Minetta as Sec. of Transportation.

I assume you were not in belgrade when Clinton intentionally bombed civilian targets in that city as part of his work off during the lewinsky scandal. I assume that is not a major war to you. So we should have the Clintons for eight more years because Obama is good to lieberman, as you say. You let the Clintons set the bar and then compare Bush to that. Better approach, how did Bush get elected in the first place. A plausible anmswer is a terribly weak candidate in Gore and the activiation of the right by Clinton, for what social purpose? His sex life.

The Clintons had the lost opportunity to develop electric car batteries during their administration as a sidebar to whatever else they touched and burned. Glad the economy was good for you.

Which war? GWOT, War on Drugs, or War on Stoopid?

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms seems like the only reasonably close fit (as long as you don’t tell him that the job is controlling alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, not promoting them.)

Tancredo’s out. Maybe he’d like to serve in the cabinet of a D prez.

If Tancredo’s out, can Duncan Hunter be far behind?

“Can’t We All Just Get Along” Obama willing to select a Republican in his administration is a moot point. If Bloomberg/Hagel run as a 3rd Party it insures another Republican victory. Such a ticket would only peel away frustrated Democrats and Independents. Republicans exhibit the same party loyalty as that of the Bolsheviks or Nazis. No way will they abandon their nominee, no matter how whacked out their candidate may be.

Ooh, I’ve got it: Press Secretary! The White House press corps seems to enjoy being bullied, so he’d be perfect!

Think LOTS OF MONEY in the treasury when Clinton left - spent by Bush in one year. And you are worried about car batteries?

Obama supported Lieberman in his primary, traveling to the state to introduce him at Connecticut Democrats’ big spring event. After RGJoe lost the primary and ran as a Sore Loser CFL, Obama sent a pro-Lamont email to 5,000 of his Connecticut supporters, but traveled OVER Connecticut rather than appear with Lamont during the general election. And before all that, Obama picked Lieberman as his mentor when he was elected to the USSenate.

Obama has never said what role Lieberman would play in an Obama presidential administration.

How did I miss that one? No I think my mind saw it, remembers it, but didn’t digest. Michael O’hanlon: Another reason not to give Hillary the suitcase/football.

AP - President Bush, successful in forcing the Democratic Congress to bend to his will, complained Thursday that lawmakers had wasted time and taxpayers’ money. His aggressive stand set a confrontational tone for Bush’s final year in the White House.

I’m afraid you may be right.

There’s a Rolling stone article on the failure of the “War on Drugs.”

I’ll trade the Belgrade bombing for Iraq war 10X over.

Both are bad, but one’s much badder.

Neither would be better.

And if you didn’t like the Clinton wars, come to Book Salon on Sunday & help me get Wesley Clark. You might want to listen to this shocking interview of him on wnyc http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/11/28

I’m sorry, but I don’t judge a whole administration by whether they developed electric batteries or not.

I’m NOT a Hillary fan. We can do better, much better.

And the economy was very good for lots of folks during the Clinton Admin. One of the best 8 years in the post WWII period. Sorry if you were left out.

O’Hanlon isn’t good on Iraq either.

A Skeptic’s Case For the Surge

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01950.html

No I think Bloomberg would split the Republicans just like Ross Perot. Hagel is too faaaar tooo the right. I don’t care if Bloomberg was once a “Democrat.”

at least lugar is not an idiot. there are useful things he could do (if we was willing). for example, i could see giving him the job of negotiating and implementing (if he could pull it off) a world-wide nuclear disarmament treaty.

but arnold? wtf, all that does is make obama look like an idiot.

I think ze guvernator would rahther vork vit Obama zan vit zat girly mahn, Mitt Womney.

The captive-audience screen in the elevator was quoting him - I don’t recall what he said - but it was about him reducing the deficit by cutting taxes.

My response to that: ‘Is he planning a second career as a standup comedian?’

Thank you, Senator Obama, for making my choice a little easier. I see no reason to include Republicans in the next administration, even for window-dressing. Why pander to a party committed to my destruction?

I’m down to Kucinich, Dodd, and Edwards.

Great post. The Governator’s an opportunistic slug, but his ass will be grass in our state if he doesn’t prosecute the EPA case in the courts, & Arnold the Opportunist knows enough to know that. He will be Sec. of Nothing in any Dem administration, I’d bet quite a lot on it…

Didn’t I read somewhere that the only other candidate for office that Oprah has mentioned in a supportive manner was Ahnold? Wonder if he was influenced by her on that?

I like your posts

Seriously though, when will Dems realize that they are a recessive gene that need other similar recessive genes to express themselves? If you pair a recessive gene with a dominant gene, you get the dominant trait of wingnuttery.

and clinton wants to seen bush 41 around the world to make them like us?

ackkkk!!!!

Orrin Hatch was so fond of Ahhnold at one time that he wanted to amend the Constitution to allow Ahhnold to run for Preznit.

I hope that Orrin has recovered from that particular case of brainfever.

In the past six weeks, the estimate of the California budget deficit has gone from ten billion to over fourteen billion dollars. While the Assembly and Arnold celebrate an agreement on “universal” health care for Californians, Arnold is proposing huge reductions in current health care. So “everyone” will have health care later, and those who depend on the state for their social services, including health care, won’t have it right now.

It’s all a GOP shell game. He’s also proposing to sell the lottery. It’s Shock Doctrine with an Austrian accent and a Kennedy wife.

Edwards/Dodd
Dodd/Edwards

and clinton wants to seen bush 41 around the world to make them like us?

And, to his credit, 41 at least had the good sense to decline (I did read this, right?).

Coulda fooled me.

But seriously, show up for Book Salon http://firedoglake.com/booksalon/

Don’t forget that back in the early ’70s, many of the same folks pimping to amend the Constitution so that Ahnuld can run for President were pimping to change it so that Kissinger could run for President.

I don’t know Bloomberg, but most of the talking heads seem to think he would pull votes from the Democrats. The only thing Perot was not a Republican on was his hatred for GHW Bush. You may be right, but I feel more comfortable without any third party in this election.

Hatch did a splendid job sobbing over the “poor” telcom companies the other day.

Bloomberg is Mr. Negative Charisma.

Not so much good sense as rising to defend Junja. The statement his PR issued essentially said he saw no need for a goodwill tour to restore America’s name and moral standing, as we are doing just fine under his spawn.

It smelled of OldBar, the statement did.

Bloomberg? Ghouliani’s little protege. Er umm. Bloomberg sounds like he just has a bad case of “I want to be preznit” millionaritis.

Okay. However, the only time Perot had any charisma was through Dana Carvey.

Drive-by hi to everyone-a lightning strike at my house has me off the tubes for the moment. Hope everyone has a great holiday, and will be back soon!