Login HereQuick quiz. Which candidate belongs to these positions, policies and quotes?
- Railed against "big business" and argued that the feds should break up monopolies
- Called American cars "gas-guzzling dinosaurs"
- Introduced a state minimum wage
- Increased public school budgets
- Accused a primary opponent of running a racist campaign
- Once proposed a 21% state income tax
- Kicked off his presidential campaign in American slums
On foreign policy:
As we have drifted away from principle at home, we have undermined the foundation of our position in the world. Once a beacon of hope for people everywhere, America is now widely regarded as belligerent and domineering.
On the war:
We are mired in a war which sacrifices are young men and drains our resources, with no end in sight. Time and again we have been taken toward the mountaintop of hope only to fall back into the crevices of sickening reality. False optimism and lack of candor on the part of our leaders have confused our citizens and sapped their resolve.
So who is this tax-and-spend, cut-and-run, blame-America-first, class warring socialist?
Dennis Kucinich? John Edwards?
Try George Romney, Willard's daddy, who ran for President in 1968.
After Nooner's "St. Ronnie wasn't fundie enough for today's GOP" piece last week, I was delighted to see this article in the Times yesterday about George Romney, who wouldn't get out of the Democratic field today with some of those positions.
Just more evidence that this isn't your father's GOP. Yet we constantly endure the endless hand-wringing/lectures about what truly bad things will happen if the Democrats listen to their base on "the far-left." Uh-huh.
For those interested, George Romney's '68 campaign kickoff speech, with the above quotes, can be found here.
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BT !!
unfortunately for George he was the victim of a very mean media
and his famous brainwashing statement.
And of course on Vietnam he was correct.
It’s amazing to me the brainwashing quote hasn’t come up more in referene to Mitt although he is really more Roman Hruska’s kind of guy.
maybe this is because the Axiom of Automatic support for the Least Worst has allowed the (D) party to drift to the right of Nixon/Reagan Republicanism?
could that have something to do with it?
Hillary Clinton can repeat verbatim Dick Cheney’s talking points about the need to counter the “threat” from Iran, and she is going to be supported completely by major progressive bloggers when she gets the nomination.
People really care about this?? What a lame blog. That kind of like comparing the 1960’s John Kennedy against a current day Ted Kennedy. John was much more conservative than Ted is today.
That’s great stuff.
He called American auto’s “gas-guzzling dinosaurs” - in 1968?
Wasn’t he from Michigan? That must have really helped the ole campaign.
Yesterday’s Conservative is today’s Far-Left Liberal traitorous, pussified communist.
White House Anex On Firer Do YOU think cheney’s SHEDDER was over loaded (off topic ) sorry
NICE FIND bt
let me ask without doing the research myself;
was he also a mormon or was godness taken by his son all by himself
Even Nixon is a liberal compared to this radicalized party. Didn’t he establish the EPA and expand welfare benefits?
Yeah. I care. You gotta problem with that? And, look, I don’t wanna get into a pissing contest, but “lame” is a really lame word. Put a thesaurus on your Xmas list and be a good boy.
George Romney was the president of a car company.
MSNBC reporting that Cheney was in The Oval Office when the fire broke out.
Hey, are they allowed to report on the Veep’s whereabouts?
I’m expecting a WH demand to retract this story any moment now…
He was, and it wasn’t an issue in the campaign, because the GOP was still a secular party in 1968.
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When Joe Lieberman (I-CT formerly D-CT) endorsed McCain for president I said WTF! But Glenn Greenwald has more on why Joe chose McCain, and it appears Joe’s endorsement has more to do with his own ego, his need to be relevant and the simple fact no democratic candidate wanted his endorsement, read on.
Reichstag fire?
but then why would kennedy’s religion be an issue?
CNN reports the anex hold loads of W.H papers,, opps sorry judge the dog ate are paper work excuse on friday plus dana W.H. press sec was in a heated round with reporters when firer broke out ( off topic) sorry just wanted to inform anyone no able to hear the news
Blue Texan - yep!
In Rogue States, page 80, Noam Chomsky characterizes Richard Nixon as the last Liberal President this country has had, due to such things as the EPA, and his focus on treating rather than incarcerating drug addicts.
Look what throwing support to John Kerry in 04 did to the antiwar movement, that was drawing hundreds of thousands to protests - practically eliminated it!
forgive the OT BT
but this is just getting started
JUDICIAL NOMINATIONS
Deputy A.G. Nominee Filip
On Wednesday, Senate Judiciary chairman Sen. Pat Leahy (D-VT) will hold a full committee hearing on the nomination of Mark Filip, a federal judge in Chicago, to become the Deputy U.S. Attorney General.
The Committee will also look into the Justice Dept.’s investigation of the CIA interrogation tape-destruction case.
link to feed at CSPAN 3
my bold there
I do beleivwe that would trigger the outrage we might be looking for, I do believe that might be the water shed moment
Perfect. Good to know that dicky boy had an alibi. How long will it be before peroxideperino tells us that the WH cannot see the Judge on friday as all the papers are water logged?
Don’t you have to go promote prayer in schools? Here is a link for you and your ilk.
Thanx for the reminder, Elliott. Leahy making opening remarks right now.
They say that Cheney was in the Oval Office when the fire broke out, but they would say that. Wouldn’t want to admit that it started because he accidentally picked up a Bible.
Great post, Blue Texan. Funny thing is, I remember Romney’s campaign (vaguely, I had other concerns in 1968), but I don’t remember anyone even batting an eye at his Mormon faith.
I don’t think I have the capacity to understand this whole faith thing anyway. After all, we are the party that actually elected an “Born Again” Christian (isn’t that what we now affectionately call “Fundie”,) Jimmy Carter, so why do we get to wear a label that says, “We don’t like religion!”
Hmmmm Is Addington the arsonist doing his thing to cover tracks to dickyboy?
And I’m sorry about my #10. People here, as rule, are civil to one another and I didn’t mean to depart from that. I just thought that the comment #4 was snotty.
“perris” I do beleivwe that would trigger the outrage we might be looking for, I do believe that might be the water shed moment
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nomolos December 19th, 2007 at 7:15 am 21
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Reichstag fire?
Perfect. Good to know that dicky boy had an alibi. How long will it be before peroxideperino tells us that the WH cannot see the Judge on friday as all the papers are water logged?
CNN now reporting it holds top secert paper work CIA could be lost … how lucky lost database and backup paper work
Then again we also had a Quaker named NIXON running…so most people knew that religious faith had nothing to do with a candidates beliefs.
Arson is fairly easy to discover, and if they set the fire to coverup the torture coverup, ChimpCo is in deep, deep, doo doo.
I just thought that the comment #4 was snotty.
It was. Seems that Kurt found the exit all by his lonesome.
I don’t think so .. these are the one who hold the keys its going to be electrickal
Roman Hruska! LOL! I keep thinking that if Thompson is made someone’s VEEP then comparisons to Adm. Stockdale will be appropriate.
Speaking of HRC (slightly OT I know), I read an interesting bit in the Economist the other day (12/15 p77) that was a piece about Peter Chernin, the COO at Newscorp. It was mentioned as an aside that he’s “helping Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign”. A little searchy found that to be so.
I for one would prefer that our candidates not get that sort of help (tainted Murdoch money).
Kelly O’Donnell - Lots of top-secret, highly classified documents in this building. Stuff that must be ‘preserved’ due to Presidential Records Act.
This story is beginning to smell pretty bad…
Yes…..these are people for whom history will repeat itself
And he wanted to institute universal health care. His health care plan was very progressive.
predictable?
Independent arson investigator?
I read that Cheney was in his office “across the street in the West Wing.” This fire is in the Eisenhower annex?
Or like comparing a john Kennedy speech with a completely opposite Mitt Romney speech (”Democracy needs religion, religion needs Democracy”).
check this out (think progress)
you know how good ol boys get together when they know something “fun” is going to happen?
you know, like how “fun” it is to hang someone they don’t like?
doesn’t this get together of these two just REEK of that “fun”
This fire is in the Eisenhower annex?
Yes - next door to WH - MSNBC reported Dick in the Oval Office…
as I noted above, it’s now reported that dick and george were together in the oval office
see my 42
Yeah. I mean, there’s no problem with contrary views …. but “lame”? If ya can’t do better than that, probably best to find the door.
I’m glad you said that Beerfart, because I considered telling ole Kurt if he didn’t like the post, he didn’t have to read it; if he doesn’t like the blog, he should just go back from whence he came. We’re not particularly interested in his rudeness.
Uh, guys? Since when does the CIA, which happens to have it’s own very nice building(s) in Virginia, store it records over at the Veep’s shop?
Uh, don’t they have their own records rooms? I think they do.
you must admit, lhp - it makes a fine excuse!
;-)
its getting more rancid by the minute…………
But ,remember the court case is comeing on friday, and they would have to get all the paper work in one place to burn it
Well, I said that yesterday. What Dem wants Joe hanging around his neck like a millstone? Joe should just realize that he’s persona non grata.
There is no way that these Reichstaggers will permit any fire official to declare arson. They’ve got a bag man ready to lie his ass off for them.
hey looseheadprop!
just the person I want to see
regarding “retro active immunity”
isn’t that beyond the power of congress?…for instance, how can congress pass a law that prevents ME from due process for redress?
according to one of the lawyers involved with the law suit concerning warrantless spying on his client, if the law is passed he will immediately challenge the constitutionality
do you think it could pass a constitutional challenge?
Hey, it took us a long time to get rid of the Dixiecrats. We’ve now gotten rid of Holy Joe. Now we’ve targeted the Blue Dogs. We’ve moved on.
Depends on the judges.
And the good news is that each one of those pieces of paper was produced by a computer, and each of the computers has backup tapes, with the exception of hand written notes and handwritten logs.
S.S reported No arson .. wow that was fast “msnbc>
VP Office: It took piles and piles of paper to smother the fire.
Re: Fire @ OEOB
Calling all partisan bloggers with an irrational fear of government!!!! Into action!!!!! Time to spin tales of imaginary government conspiracies. These should be replete with misleading and malicious information intended to incite fear of alleged governmental activities. The more dramatic the fearmongering, the better.
The winner will be slected by Senator Orrin Hatch who will decry your submission in a sqeaky voice from the Senate floor while wearing an ill-fitting suit.
George Romney was not only a Mormon, but he was born on a Mormon mission town in Mexico…some say established outside the US borders to maintain polygamy. Technically he was the first Mexican-American candidate!
If he had been elected he would have been the only US President ever to be born outside the United States…but some have argued that it would have posed a Constitutional crisis because of the provision that a candidate be a “natural born citizen”. Others argued that George Romney was both since his parents were technically US citizens (though also Mexican citizens).
I’m not new at this ,, just when has bush given anything to investatagers when asked (emails missing million)to this day
Is E. Howard Hunt is still dead?
suppose their breaking the law caused a death?
suppose the information gathered precipitated some kind of crime of vendetta
see this?…how can they get immunity for that?
this is the way we have to talk about that issue, put a real and practical face on what they are trying to do
A Quaker who was Commander in Chief during wartime, yet!
OT- Leahy is questioning DAG candidate Filip closely on his view of what he would do regarding destruction of the terror tapes:
CSPAN3 SJC Feed
I agree that this needs discussion. Perhaps I am just jaded. Their lawbraaking already has caused deaths (~4000 American, untold Iraqi). I don’t understand how all of theur actions to date have been immune from consequences (legal or political). In a rational system, they would have been run out on the rails long ago.
The “no ex post facto law provision inthe Consitution has always been interpreted to prevent criminalizing behavior after the fact, that was not criminal when committed.
I can’t remember wha tit is now, if it comes to me later I send you shout out in a later thread, but for some reason I think Congress has previously retro actively decriminalized something.
WHat was it? Maybe something to do with Prohibition? With the Viet Nam deserters amnesty? SOmebody help me here. Brain not fully booted up today.
Wait a minute. Is this a joke? Mitt Romney’s grandparents were Mexican citizens who availed themselves of our porous borders? Where was that (double) fence when we really needed it?
Apparently the most important CIA records are kept in a safe in Thailand, for easy disposal.
BTW I wonder if Jose “Jack Bauer” Rodriguez took a flight to Thailand for the express purpose of destroying those tapes? Wouldn’t someone above him have to sign off on his trip? I mean, a top CIA officer in charge of the Agencies Covert Operations being absent for a couple of days would not be unnoticed at the Agency by Porter Goss, me thinks!
Also, I wonder if there were multiple copies of the recordings made for the benefit of WH and CIA lawyers, as well as Porter Goss and WH officials? After all, they’d have to know what the CONTENTS of those recordings were to ascertain if they were relevant to the Federal Court orders, and if the destruction of them would obstruct justice. So how were they able to give him the “all clear” without peeking at them? Did they solely examine written descriptions of them? Where are THOSE?
S.S reported No arson .. wow that was fast “msnbc>
“Just followin’ orders, sir.”
yep, HRC is neo-con approved. Charles Krauthammer has lauded her likelyhood to unleash bombs, Murdoch signed a seperate peace, or truce with her and agreed to have his papers lay off Chelsea.
back to the post - there is a laudable strain of anti-interventionism in the Old Right - the folks who would certainly not see anything good about exporting ‘democracy’ at gunpoint.
sad that so many self-identified Liberals or Progressives would cast a vote endorsing the threat nuclear first strike against a country that poses no threat to the USA. (”all options are on the table”)
FIRE! The last time that happened was when the RedCoats were invading! This obviously calls for a State of Emergency and a suspension of the Constitution!
Fascinating CA! I was wondering when Mitt’s dad was going to be brought up because I do remember him being a liberal, but I didn’t know his early background. The one thing I do remember about the “natural born citizen” clause was that when Goldwater was running in ‘64 (I was in 6th grade BTW) people were saying he couldn’t be pres because he was born in the AZ territory - before it became a state.
How utterly convenient. Next thing will be that the contents of Cheney’s man sized safes will self-combust like a bunch of greasy rags.
Thought it was something from vietnam era but I hoestly don’t know. I’ll check, too.
Oh, Perris,
It might have been the Confederate soldiers after the Civil War.
Does anybody know, the amnesty they got–was it from The President by way of a pardon, or was it retroactive immunity from Congress?
Cause if the latter, there is some fertile precential feilds to plow there–I think?
newsflash! Spector wants to work out an accommodation
Specter is doing his faux outrage thing. He’s so cute when he does that.
Filip won’t call waterboarding torture.
Except that the fire department and the police will not be allowed into the building on grounds (a) it is sacred territory and (b) national security. Nothing to see here. Move along.
the wrong spector is in the senate
Would you rather have Phil?
That’s it, I’ll have to TiVo the hearing so I can fast forward by Specter, aka Janus. Kennedy up now questioning on waterboarding. Filip waffles…
Daughter’s on the way over to go Xmas early bird shopping, so I’m out of here.
Read you all later.
Just think of dealing with this administration as a Scavenger Hunt. Think of all the fun you’ll have digging the information out!
Phil…that would be interesting but I was think about his wife Joan who was on the brawling Phila city council
Ex post facto deals with increasing a penalty or instituting a criminal act AFTER THE FACT. It does not deal with reducing penalties after the fact, which, of course occurs all the time.
People frequently have their sentences commuted or are pardoned when a law is vacated from the books by the Courts or the Legislature. And there are many cases where a President has issued mass commutations or amnesties. Washington did it for many of those convicted during the Shay’s and Whiskey Rebellions. Lincoln did it when he suspended the punishment of hundreds of thousands of ex-Confederates that signed loyalty oaths. Carter did it with VietNam draft evaders.
Don’t think that approach is gonna fly Perris. But one could argue that the PROPER Constitutional power for this sort of amnesty lies with the President, and doesn’t require Congressional approval. But if the President pardons
the individuals are incapable of pleading their 5th Amendment right to not testify against themselves in criminal matters…and thus could be compelled by Grand Jury or Congress to testify.
You guys are cracking me up this morning. Thanks. I haven’t used those muscles in awhile.
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Lott resigns from U.S. Senate
Oh right.
But, wouldn’t the current action involve a civil suit rather than a criminal action? And there’s an aggrieved party supposedly who has rights too. This makes no difference?
I bet you’ve been reading the Front Page news box haven’t you?
Only thing that keeps me sane sometimes.
I don’t think Perris is nearly as concerned with criminal prosecutions of the telecoms as he is in citizens being deprived of their right to, in *civil* litigation, recover for actual damages incurred, should they be capable of proof, and problems of standing overcome, etc.
I think he makes a good point. And, as devil’s advocate, if the telecoms *did* have proper and legal justifcation for their actions, or if a particular compnay were to turn out to have had no involvement at all (but would still suffer damage to its reputation on the assumption that it did), those rights might well be improperly taken away, by mooting the case(s) in which they’re involved.
Hatch wants Filip approved by unanimous consent - no further questions… surprise !!
yes. I was on my way back from emptywheel’s.
Lott is leaving abruptly I must say.
I’m not watching. how’s his suit fitting today?
I think most Constitutional Scholars accept that “Territories” qualify for “natural born” status since they are underv the sovereinity of the US. Thus, McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone can be President. I think that there a few other candidates born in Territories before they became States (plus one or two in “Possessions” like the Philippines). But George Romney was definitely a very debatable case. But many Constitutional lawyers (IANAL) argue that anyone that qualifies under the two general provisions that do not require “naturalization” are “natural born” (those are jus soli [born on US territory] and jus sanguinus [born of US blood]). George Romney would have qualified by the latter.
BTW there are several US Presidential candidates in the past who may not have fulfilled the “continuous residency” requirements for President as well.
As I understand it, because the gravy train was leaving the station.
Maybe Orrin Hatch needs to find another community cause I gotta say, my community is NOT being poisoned by obscenity.
He’s anxious to host lobbyist Xmas parties, not just attend. The lure of quick riches can never be discounted.
It’s hard to tell, ’cause he’s sitting down, but his brain isn’t fitting well today, it seems to me.
BT, I submitted you to Digg. You have been officially Dugg.
Well he isn’t going to be late for that train, is he?
I must be a little dense because I’m not sure I understand this. Are you saying that a Presidential pardon is like granting immunity? Because immunity is the only thing I heretofore have ever heard of precluding a person from claiming their 5th amendment right. If it’s not like immunity, what probable cause would you use to subpoena an individual to bring him in front of a grand jury if he’s already pardoned of the crimes? And what kind of pardon? See what I mean, I just don’t quite understand.
The pardons of Confederate soldiers were issued by Lincoln and Andrew Johnson…although they were authorized by Congress under the laws enacting the penalties of forfeiture and fines to those involved in the insurrection. The President would have had such powers in any case under the Constitution though.
http://www.drbilllong.com/LegalEssays/Pardons.html
Common people don’t know about the jus sanguinus interpretation, including me. My daughter was born in Canada and we always joked that she could not be president, but she could be PM. A few years ago there were a few calls to change that provision totally so that Ahhh-nolt could run.
“John was much more conservative”
I don’t think so- Kennedy lowered taxes- but that was was when the top marginal rate was at 90%.. Kennedy was a cold warrior- as was nearly everyone at the time. He was also instumental in the beginnings of the civil rights movements and the “war on poverty”. He hired Michael Harrington- author of “The Other America” as an advisor.
Amazing how goopers love rewriting history..
Eisenhower was in many ways a “liberal” as was Nixon.
Filip refuses to say that waterboarding is torture and Durbin is still “struggling” with the issue. I don’t get it. There are some litmus tests. Why will Durbin still support Filip? Oh I know. Ds are too dumb to live.
I really think he’s wasting away. That includes his brain, too. Soon, it’ll be like a Doonesbury character - like a waffle in suspended animation. What is Bush? An empty helmet? What would Hatch be?
Candidates were still nominated in the party conventions. Kennedy’s religion really wasn’t debated until after he was nominated. Then all of the sourthern pastors started sermonizing about the Pope dictating policy for teh U.S.. I was dating a girl from the largest Baptist church in the world, First Baptist in Dallas, and the Reverend W.A. Criswell delivered long anti-Kennedy/Catholic sermons every Sunday.
Likewise, George Romney hadn’t really gotten close to being nominated when he withdrew due to the “brainwashed” statement. If the Republican convention had nominated him, we would have heard some of the same fundamentalist arguments.
Ann..
Once one receives a pardon or commutation for a criminal action one is no longer susceptible to punishment for that crime. Thus one could be called before a Grand Jury which is investigating OTHER individuals. Take, for example, Lewis Libby, HE could be called upon to testify against others and not be able to utilize his 5th Amendment defenses for the crimes he had already been convicted and pardoned for. Libby insisted on appealing, which held up the issue for a time…but he is NOW susceptible to GJ testimony on any points he may have plead the 5th on during his testimony.
Similar someone already convicted and pardoned cannot be tried again on those charges…and thus can also be called before Congress regarding that case. They are not susceptible to criminal charges anymore, thus are not able to say their testimony can lead to punishment. Congress need not even issue “use immunity” to that individual. However, if they lie or refuse to testify they can be convicted of perjury or Contempt of Congress (or Court).