As I listened to Barb "Ma Kettle" Mikulski (D-LCD) on the floor of the Senate pining for the days when "blackberries wuz sumpin’ yew put on yer breakfast cereal," I didn’t pick up an iota of self awareness that might clue her into the fact that having such an intellectually shiftless luddite as a sitting US Senator, charged with making tech policy, was an international embarrassment.
Of course she reached the conclusion the telecoms were great patriots who were only doing their civic duty. She’s thick as a brick.
But it doesn’t appear that the Washington Post is any brighter. This morning, they faithfully reported that Reid spokesman Jim Manley says "the decision had nothing to do with the efforts of Dodd and his allies."
Who do I look like, Barbara Mikulski?
Manley is, of course, full of shit. At the very least, Reid did the math to see that Dodd could filibuster this issue until the Christmas break, and since Reid intended to get funding done before the break, he was faced with postponing the break or punting the appropriations bills to the next year. So whatever else caused Reid to pull the bill, Dodd’s demonstration that he was willing to hold the Senate floor was one factor (apparently, Dodd only left the floor once during yesterday’s debate).
As Marcy notes, the Post’s rather superficial analysis of the situation also leaves out the subject of the Feinstein Amendment — and that may have been a poison pill which split the Senate into three factions and made the passage of a bill that Bush would not veto impossible. Since Reid is very much committed to passing a bill that will be in place when the old FISA bill sunsets on February 1, that probably posed a real problem for him.
Feinstein said she’d have a tough time voting for immunity without her amendment, and according to Marcy, it appears that this amendment "would have required the FISA Court to review the authorizations the telecoms received, to see whether they were legal, before the telecoms got immunity. If the FISA Court determined that those authorizations were not adequate under the law, then the telecoms would not get immunity."
This seems to have damn near sent Orrin Hatch into apoplexy, who — after he got done sputtering about blogs with an "irrational fear of government" (a little Ron Paul-itis, perhaps?) — said that Feinstein’s amendment might be "a poison pill for him–and presumably the other Republicans following Dick Cheney’s orders dutifully."
As Marcy notes:
[Feinstein's] amendment would introduce the very real possibility that the FISA Court would rule that the White House Counsel could not legally authorize the telecoms to wiretap, and that therefore the wiretapping that occurred immediately after March 10, 2004–precisely the time period when the AG and the Acting AG determined that the wiretapping was not legal–was not legal. DiFi’s amendment was poison for Hatch because it threatens to hold the telecoms responsible for continuing the wiretap program during the period when the AG refused to authorize the program. And, of course, it therefore threatens to certify in a court that Bush’s actions following the hospital confrontation were illegal. In other words, DiFi’s amendment threatens to scuttle the real intent of the immunity provision, protecting Bush from any legal consequences for wiretapping illegally.
But the Post article also does not delve into the fact that Chris Dodd’s filibuster threatened to shine a bright light on how craven the other Democratic presidential hopefuls looked when they chose to stay in Iowa and promote themselves rather than come back to Washington DC and defend the constitution. No doubt the telecoms, the Bush administration and their Democratic allies will have plenty of time to regroup and the fight will resume in January at a much more fevered pitch, but the delay may also pull the Senate presidential hopefuls back into the debate — who have thus far given lukewarm pledges of support to Dodd.
And Glenn Greenwald brings up another aspect of the battle that the Post seems blissfully unaware of, and that is about how the whole notion of one man taking a stand on this issue came to pass. I first asked Dodd in early October on Air America if he would commit to filibuster retroactive telecom immunity, and he said at the time "Well, may have to do that….Hope it doesn’t come to that."
But it did. And on October 18, when the deal that Jello Jay Rockefeller and Dick Cheney made to give the telecoms immunity in exchange for…well, virtually nothing… was announced, an outcry rose up on the liberal blogs:
[T]here was an email exchange between a relatively small group of bloggers and a couple of representatives from grass-roots organizations in which the same idea arose: finding a Senator who would be willing to place a "hold" on the Rockefeller immunity bill. Earlier that morning, Big Tent Democrat noted that Chris Dodd had issued a strongly worded statement against Jay Rockefeller’s bill, and he urged Dodd to announce he would lead a filibuster against the bill. Based on all of that, it was quickly recognized, both in comments and in that email group, that the obvious choice to target for a "hold" was Dodd, who had made constitutional and oversight issues the centerpiece of his presidential campaign.
Within literally a matter of minutes, numerous blogs began urging their readers to contact the Dodd campaign to ask Dodd to place a "hold" on any bill containing immunity. Blog readers deluged the Dodd campaign by the thousands, tying up their telephones and overflowing their email boxes.
It was exclusively in response to that blog-based outpouring of citizen passion that Dodd — within a matter of a few hours — emphatically vowed that he would do something he has almost never done during his 24-year Senate career: place a "hold" on this bill and, if necessary, lead a filibuster against it on the floor of the Senate. Dodd’s responsiveness, and the all-too-rare leadership he displayed, prompted an outpouring of support for his campaign from citizens hungry for any sort of Democratic leadership, as he raised $200,000 in small donations over the next 24 hours alone, exceeding the total he had raised for the preceding many months.
Reid may be going out of his way to deny that Dodd and his allies had any effect on what happened yesterday, and the Washington Post may be fooled, but nobody else is. It’s a hollow and pride-filled retort of a man who responded with high-handed arrogance and was resoundingly beaten. As Margaret Mead once said, "never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Reid lost sight of that fact.
But Harry Reid is a man with a lot to worry about — he’s up for reelection in 2010, his poll numbers in Nevada are terrible and there are two words that have to be keeping him up at night: Tom Daschle.
Maybe his political instincts are getting a little rusty. Maybe it’s time for him to give up the Senate leadership to someone else.
Someone like…Chris Dodd.
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Jane!
twice #2 -
Biodun – I am always happy to second you!
let the story be told far and wide, you stand for the American people above corporations, you stand in defense of our constitution, you stand for the rule of law
and you will be showered with gifts
Funny thing, this was just what I was worried about in the last thread. The question at hand is: how is what happened yesterday being represented in the MSM, and what can we do about it?
I am concerned about what happens between now and the next time this measure comes up, because one very important thing will be how to translate rhetoric into votes.
poor, poor Harry Reid. That poor little Dear.
Chris Dodd for Majority Leader. Oh, and my conversation with Harry Pussy’s office this morning. Good times, and I encourage firepups to give him a call too (202-224-3542):
This one’s gonna dog Harry for a long time…
Intellectually shiftless luddite. Jane, that is why I love to read your posts. (Don’t tell Wollcott, but I think you are closing in on him fast!)
Harry Reid is a sorry excuse for a leader. I’d take Dodd any day over him.
The holidays are taking up my comment reading time. But I always make time to read the posts. Bravo. It has to be lots of work this time of year. Thank You!
Parliamentary question from a parliamentary idiot:
Can Reid now pull the Intelligence Committee’s Bill and substitute the bill from the Judiciary Committee – or did the vote on the Motion to Proceed preclude that?
Brilliant post, Jane! Just brilliant…
reid’s own statements (made on the senate floor when he pulled the bill):
The other skill that Senator Dodd has which makes him a particularly good candidate for party leadership is his ability (and willingness) to read the bills he is signing. I wonder if we should propose that all Dem candidates for legislative office be able to pass a reading test and a statement of good practice to read bills which come before them before they vote on them?
Heh, heh…
Happy holidays to you and yours…
Whoever a future democratic POTUS turns out to be, an effective Senate
Majority Leader will be essential to any success that administration can
achieve. Change must occur at many levels to be effective, no more
Clintonismus or Republican Lite.
I wonder if some u-tube videos would help. Showing people how they’re being spied on, showing them how telecoms are wanting to get away with things.
I can imagine some short scenarios that might affect your regular “Joe” into getting worried about being spied on… or how he has to pay his traffic ticket or whatever but the big companies get away with things.
Target other groups methinks. Maybe Obama could lean on Oprah to do some education on that! (honestly, I’m serious!)
To all the voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and all the other early primary and caucus states: what you are seeing is the result of actions by a leader. Senator Chris Dodd has displayed nothing but leadership on this issue.
Yes, especially the one that says he should stick it to the Democratic base whenever he can, or maybe the one which says the best option is always to cave. Can we call him Rusty now?
breaking news, AP via LA Times:
Judge Orders Hearing on CIA Videos
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
8:31 AM PST, December 18, 2007
WASHINGTON — A federal judge has ordered a hearing on whether the Bush administration violated a court order by destroying CIA interrogation videos of suspected terrorists.
U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy rejected calls from the Justice Department to stay out of the matter. He ordered lawyers to appear before him Friday morning.
[snipped, but the rest is just history]
BTW, one of my suggestions is that we start calling a spade a spade. It is, I think, time to say as loudly as we can, and as often as we can, that if you just look at the votes of your Senators, it’s easy to see who has a dog in this race. The question is why they would want retroactive immunity for telecoms? Either we have to take up some unsavory tactics of intimidation by implication, or we have to do some serious digging, maybe even footwork. I wish Murray Waas would take up this angle, or maybe Seymour Hersh or Dana Priest. Why would these Senators even consider being on the side of the telecoms when the customers whose suits they would be canceling are their constituents?
That is the answer..if Dodd and the “gang of ten” objected to all UCs..the funding bill was in the tank…Have to have that extra $40 billion for Iraq and the 9,000 pork projects before X-mas.
(snip)
link
Wasn’t $35 billion the “deal breaker” for SCHIP? Now $40 billion more for Iraq…Jeebus
Maybe Howie Klein is right:
DWT
Alas, they have come to see their constituents as too dumb, tired, and scared to care about the “little things.”
As I said yesterday, Dodd demonstrates that politics is the art of the possible. Instead of rolling over and playing dead when that sixty-first vote is arm-twisted in the cloakroom, Dodd pressed ahead. Amazingly, Reid discovered that if somebody was actually willing to filibuster, why, that person could muck up the whole works! Who would have guessed?!
IMAGINE what might happen if the Dems just, I dunno, refused to roll over when faced with the “inevitable.” Why, maybe if we put impeachment BACK on the table, maybe Rove and Libby and others might be a little less arrogant about ignoring Congressional subpoenas. And heaven forfend the Capitol police actually be dispatched to arrest and retreive these cretins. Something unexpected might happen, like they might voluntarily arrive to testify. Or they might hop a plane to Ecuador.
What DOESN’T happen is, when you roll over, when you quit early – you don’t win.
I wonder how Mr. Dodd would be as President of the Senate?
Harry Reid is an ex-boxer who has forgotten his moves in the ring…
“Daschle” Reid.
This is funny we know that Bush will attack the Democrats as a do nothing Congress. But the Dem Presidential Candidates Hilary, Obama, Biden were not in the Senate to vote on his bill because political considerations would have forced them to support Dodd or lose the Lefty vote.
My guess is that we will attack the lapdogs for not showing up and supporting Dodd, and Bush will attack them for not showing up and voting for his bill.
A classic lose/lose scenerio Bush could damage our front runners who are Senators and give some real Lefties a shot in a year where we are likly to win, barring a military take over of course.
In a real sense Bush will be forcing the country Left by discrediting the Center!
What if people in states where their senator “has a dog in this fight” begin to look into it themselves? They might hear or see things.
I can envision a data base where people can enter info related to things they learn about their senator.
If you just set up the data base and add the names of the legislators, I bet that, in itself, would effectively stir their hearts with fear… of stuff being found out!
We are still in a battle with Senator Reid right now that needs everyones attention. Please call, fax or email his office urging him to keep the Senate in session Pro Forma over the holiday break.
We need to continue blocking bushco’s recess appointments.
His fax # in DC is 202-224-7327. I prefer faxing. I just like having a paper record.
I still don’t understand why a large number of respected Democrats voted for cloture;e.g. Whitehouse, Leahy, Durbin, and others.
please forgive me, but i’ve never liked that saying. way too defeatist for me. here’s my alternative:
the art of making the possible reality is engineering (and i used to be an engineer).
Yay, Jane!
Ok, I’m going to break down and claim a minor assist, in the days before that radio spot with Dodd:
I cross-posted it at HuffPo, too.
/end self-promotion.
Loosehead said it was part of the plan, a procedural vote.
Reading through Chris Dodd’s remarks on the Senate floor yesterday, I had the feeling that he, too, was grateful for what we had done in pushing him–first to hold, and then to be willing to fillibuster. He said openly that he should have done this before when the Military Commissions Act was being considered, that he should have drawn the line then. I think the astonishing level of support for Dodd throughout the blogosphere helped to remind him why he first ran for office and of the principles he genuinely holds dear. He certainly distinguished himself as a legislator yesterday.
A touch of Dementia Pugilistica perhaps?
Mikulski is a buffoon. A lot of people in Maryland (”Murrland”) think Barbara is just adorable. As a person, she may be, but she perfectly exemplifies the sort of congealed-in-scrapple mindset that grips so much of “acceptable” politics in that state — and if you don’t know what scrapple is, you don’t understand Maryland!
I love Maryland — raised there as a wee lad and came back in ‘75 to live 25 more years in the Land of Pleasant Living before escaping to northern New Mexico — but I had to get my ass outa there. It’s like the Sopranos. Nothing will ever change. The spiritual epoxy is deadening: a layer of “oh we’re so progressive” over a locked-in, institutionalized corruption and resistance to change that’s never addressed. Steny Hoyer is from the same mold. These old pols who think they know “the way the world works” need to go. ALL of them.
1,699 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“But Harry Reid is a man with a lot to worry about – and there are two words that have to be keeping him up at night: Tom Daschle.”
Oh my, that’s a great comparison… One Hung Harry is gettin’ ta look more and more like Daschle and Daschle is gettin’ ta look more and more pathetic in the light of history. But don’t you think that Reid is fighting for his political life right now and no matter the outcome of the Telecom-FISA Bill, his days as majority leader are numbered? It seems to me that it’s just a matter of how he’s gunna go out. There is new leadership percolating up at least in the Senate and I don’t think Reid ken last ’til the end of this congress.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS AREN’T DONE YET!!
EW next door has something about Leahy perhaps wanting to have the time on the floor to bring some of this out in public, i.e. it was a strategy to make alot of this more public. That may have also scared Reid and the leadership.
Another bumper sticker moment of the GOP supporting the troops:
Bill would ban military slot machines
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A bill in Congress seeks to eliminate military slot machines overseas that take in $130 million a year, mostly from soldiers.
Aaron Walsh’s addiction to military slot machines ruined his Army career and led to his suicide. 1 of 2 The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tennessee, named the bill after Army Warrant Officer Aaron Walsh, a decorated Apache helicopter pilot who became addicted to gambling on military slot machines. Walsh eventually was discharged from the Army. He committed suicide after several failed attempts to break his addiction.
The Defense Department uses slot machine revenues to pay a small portion of its morale, welfare and recreation programs.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html
I sent Dodd money and told him why.
Have you?
I don’t know. He certainly remembers how to take a dive
Yes; and it was a good feeling.
One donation to encourage him before and another to thank him after. Added notes to both.
Would like to know how much he raised in the past couple of days.
BTW, did not get any thank you email from last night’s contribution. Anyone remember how long the delay is? Would have thought there’d be an autoreply.
When Harry Reid became Senate Leader, Nevada Democrats were confused. They had no idea why. I asked. Dedicated party workers had no idea. They would say something like, “I guess…..” And that’s all I ever got. Can someone here shed light on how he ever got this position?
It seems everything slips up on Harry and just happens before he is aware it was coming down the road. He was shocked, I tell you shocked, when John Ensign was elected, overwhelmingly, to the senate. He said Democrats didn’t see it coming (mainly, himself).
Well, Harry is worried about who will replace his senate seat, as well he should be. Never trust someone who takes both sides and speaks with a forked tongue and beware of desperate men losing their power.
I know I am missing something…but has anyone looked at the Senate today..I thought they were trying to pass spending bills, but since the start of business, all they are saying is “isn’t trent lott a grand old guy”
Perfect the GOP is purging our useless moderates for us.
Wow! This is dynamite.
Your post shows very clearly from his own mouth that this timetable that Reid insisted on was ill-advised and poorly thought through. I can’t imagine a leader more incompetent than not to have foreseen what happened. Absolutely inexcusable. Reid is a disgrace.
I received a thank you almost instantaneously;
Dear Dru,
Thank you for your generous contribution to my Presidential campaign. With your help, I am fighting to spread my message that in this election, the American people want a leader who will stand up and fight for what they believe in, but also bring people together around those ideas and get results. You and I know that whether the issue is ending the war in Iraq, providing universal health care to every American or making college affordable, our next President can’t just pick fights – he or she needs to be able to bring people together and win them.
I encourage you to keep in touch and let me know your thoughts on the issues that matter to you. And keep checking my website for updates as I travel to communities around the country. I believe America’s best days are still ahead of her – but getting there will take a leader with a proven ability to get the job done.
Again, I am deeply grateful for your contribution. I will continue to work hard to maintain the confidence you have shown in me and I thank you for your continued support and friendship.
Warm regards,
Chris Dodd
OT
Call to arms by Kopp on C-SPAN3 re today’s wrongheaded FCC ruling on media consolidation. Really good statement.
Won’t they just push this to SCOTUS? The Bush toadies there will make it all go away.
Be careful. Remember we keep accusing W Admin of incompetence (which is partly true), even on occassions when it is a deliberate excuse. I suspect that is the case here. An excuse for trying to ram something thru before opposition could get mobilized.
I am convinced that if legislators realize that people are truly behind them when they do the right thing, stand up for the Constitution, truly live up to the Oath of Office, that more of them will do what Dodd did yesterday. It is possible this could have a huge, huge impact. When someone steps up like that, it energizes us, and when they know they are not alone, it energizes them. And their colleagues.
By reputation Barbara Mikulski is a nasty piece of work and is abusive to her staff. My scrapple recipe calls for hog faces, hearts and livers; is your the same?
I wonder if, in the process of saying farewell to Trent Lott, we could get someone to trick Harry Reid into saying how much better the world would be if Strom Thurmond had been elected in 1948.
Thank you, Jane, for putting up that video from Senator Dodd.
I’m proud to consider myself an allie of him.
After spending a good part of yesterday morning Making Those Calls, it’s satisfying to know I was being a good citizen. A Patriotic one too.
We are an alliance.
Don’t get me wrong, TheraP, I do have some sympathy for the telecoms. I don’t have any desire to let them off the hook for breaking the law and invading individual’s fourth amendment rights unknowingly, but I also see extenuating circumstances. I see an utterly out of control branch of government that used terribly aggressive tactics even on some of our largest corporations. I see the government coercing some huge entities into becoming accomplices in lawbreaking for the purpose of subjugating and micro-controlling our entire society. If this ain’t against the law, then it sure should be, IMHO!
You bet!
It must feel awfully lonely on that Senate floor,
when the media refuses to wake up & think,
when most of the public are too busy watching tvIdols & earning lunch money for the kids & sorting thru the toybox for lead-laced toys & paying the mortgage/rent & feeding the wheels to get to work to earn the $ to keep it all spinning in the air at once.
Whenever a congresscritter does something we approve of, you jolly well bet it helps to let ‘em know we’re watching and listening, and that we appreciate what they did/are doing. Believe it or not, they’re really human after all… [please note before pouncing on me, you purists, I did keep it specific - no blanket endorsements/pardons]
OH! btw, Have I said THANKS!!!!! yet today?!
((((Jane)))) ((((Christy)))) ((((ALL you other fabulous Dawgs))))
lawsie hep the bozos when we all starts workin’ together. !HAH!
brutal……
What is your preferred solution here?
An OT..Rut Rho:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..videotapes
Great post Jane. Thanks for all the background and the assessment. You and all of Team FDL did yourselves proud.
Or maybe it’s best to fire with all canons in terms of pr and then be magnanimous down the road somehow.
FISA doesn’t sunset in February, PAA amendments to FISA sunset in February.
I wonder if an Executive Order or a finding by the USAG that foreign to foreign communications that pass through US territory can be interecepted would hold up in the absence of new congressional action that authorizes such intercepts but doesn’t give retroactive immunity.
Sorry, @63 was mean for Ann again @56
Chris Dodd will be up on Thom Hartman’s show after the break right now.
Well, if I was one of the other Pres candidates who is also a senator–particularly if I was New York’s junior senator, who had to eat a handful of Tums every time my vast and overpaid staffers brought me a new internal poll–I would not want this to drag out into a big Jimmy Stewart-like leadership publicity bonanza for Senator Dodd, three weeks out from the Iowa caucuses. Especially if my internals told me undecided caucus goers were looking for somebody to act leader-y. The last thing I would want, at just the moment that undecided voters begin to pay attention to the caucus process, is for the cable talking heads to be talking about Dodd’s bold leadership and calls for change and so forth. So, I would do what i could to get this business to stop. I would say whatever I had to to convince Reid.
how much convincing do you think Reid needed?
Jane, I believe it’s “yo breakfast cereal”. Otherwise, great post.
Yes there was aggressive tactics used on the Telcos. Like how much $ did they need in contracts to just overlook the legal, and promises of it won’t get out and if it does we got your back, and don’t worry about antitrust litigation on our watch or taxes for your board members and CEOs. Just ask Qwest how hard it was to say No. They should be the wons rewarded for there behavior not Verizon and AT&T. NOBODY has a right to listen to my phone calls or read my e-mails without probable cause, NOBODY!!
Jane: As I commented earlier this morning here on your very blog, Eric Lichtblau’s NYT article on yesterday’s FISA fight was pretty pathetic as well.
What station?
Depends… Air America or you can go to http://www.thomhartman.com
Sounds like time for a major re-education program, a la “we, the people,” the real government of this country.
Dodd is larger than life, in these times of shrinking Violets.
The real leadership took place here, though. To Jane, Christy and Pach, you have the world at your feet. These are the leaders. Thank you infinitely.
That’s another reason why Reid pulled the Bill. He didn’t want the publicity for Dodd or anti-Telco Amnesty to get into the MSM.
http://www.airamerica.com for thom hartmann
As Arlen Specter was stating his formula for having the government stand in for the telcos in suits, a lightbulb went off for the perfect resolution. It’s a fantasy, but a neat one.
Since the Supreme Court famously ruled that a sitting president can be sued, it would be neat to adopt a low which required the telephone companies to stand trial, but in turn allowed them to sue the individuals in the executive branch who were responsible for securing their cooperation fraudulently. That would mean goodby to the ranches, chainsaws, pickups, and everything. They would have to apply for public assistance, or perhaps private charity.
Excuse me, it was just a momentary dream.
After his editor got finished cutting. It’s not always the reporter who turns a good story into mush.
All this really begs the question — there was a lot of talk after the Daschle era about what a bad idea it was to have a majority leader from a swing state, so why did we get another one?
I’m beginning to think that the contests for Democratic leadership in Congress have a feature in common with the presidential election process — the skills that are effective in winning the battle for leadership are not the ones that make an effective leader, and it’s only by chance that they occasionally align.
OMG….
Thom Hartman Q: Is it possible they were listening in on Democrats?
Dodd A: Very possible
Speaking of purges
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5435
“In fact, one study shows that Democrats have been investigated and prosecuted at nearly six times the rate of Republicans at the federal level. According to the study’s author, the statistical possibility of this happening by chance is 1 in 10,000. Studies show that prosecutions on the state level are fairly even between Democrats and Republicans.”
With the GOP purging our criminal and scandal prone members we are running better candidates granted Rep William Jefferson’s bribes do come to mind and we lost Gov Don Siegelman on trumped up charges.
But compare that to how many GOP sex scandals have their been just this year. How many cases on other matters would go to trial if only Gonzo remembered or investigated GOPers?
“That which does not kill us makes us stronger ” Nietsche
The GOP is convincing criminal and scandal prone Dems with their selective prosecutions to not run or run as Republicans. But the GOP in trying to protect their criminals fall victim to the adage about how the cover up is often worse than the crime.
why OMG katymine?
The FISA bill is part of the Bush Administration’s endgame, taking care of business in it waning days. The idea is to legalize its illegal activities and/or kick its failings to the next Administration.
With the MCA, they legalized torture.
With FISA, they legalize warrantless wiretapping.
With the economy and the subprime crisis, Bernanke and Paulson are trying to delay the meltdown until 2009.
With global warming, they agreed to negotiations which will finish a year after they leave office.
With the run up to the Iraq war, they have succeeded in keeping a report on the politicization of intelligence bottled up in the Intelligence Committees. Thanks for another great move, Jay Rockefeller.
With the war itself, there will, barring an unlikely intervention by the Congress, 130,000 troops in Iraq when Bush leaves office.
Except for the FISA bill and that is far from over, they are still on schedule.
For years I have been asking this question….. why don’t don’t they stand up? Why when you hear specific elected officials say they are against something, they then fold like a cheap lawn chair. Hagel & Spector anyone?
Finally someone has asked this question and received an answer other than “your tin foil hat is askew”
Dodd – over the last few weeks 11,000 people sent over 600,000 emails, phone calls & faxes and it DOES make a difference!
From CNN:
Liar! Dude you got pwned! W00T!
Oops, sorry, too much Halo 3…
Wiretaps begun under this interim bill would continue for up to a year.
I don’t know, I was thinking he would be the next bust on mr rushmore.
maybe not I guess…ah me
Reid also said that he’d written to McConnell last Friday “urging him to make the documents previously provided to the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees regarding retroactive immunity available in a secure location to any Senator who wishes to review them during the floor debate.”
Again, people should question their reps on whether they’ve read those documents.
Gretchen Morgenson at the NYT as a retrospective on the subprime crisis.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ref=slogin
She writes well on this subject. The problem is that this should have been an article that was published back in 2004 or 2005. The information was there even then.
Quest is the company we should focus on somebody there knew things were not legal.
Which is why, for all my annoyance with them, I’m going to continue getting my land-line and DSL service from them.
Finally, I’m not the only one wearing the tin hat.
I have been saying since the start of this push to immunize telcos that they probably told schrubs people they couldn’t get any more of the Dem’s e-mails and phone calls until they got immunity. With the election coming up they NEED that data.
I still say that Reid acts like he is being blackmailed.
Exquisite post Jane. Thank you for summing this up. I am, of course, not getting any satisfaction from the main stream media over this small token of sanity being displayed in the Senate thanks, primarily, to Misters Dodd and Feingold.
This is a rare and beautiful thing and it pains me that only liberal blogs seem to realize it; but, regardless of the nature of the Parliamentarian politics, this is our Senate at work, FINALLY!
And as for ol’ Auntie Mikulski, well it’s time for her to retire to a nice safe place with blackberries on her cereal and phone calls on her rotary phone…gawd!
Quest CEO got prosecuted & they lost gov business. Retailiation in its finest hour.
I took this from Marcy and I have to ask a question;
isn’t that exactly what we want?
if the certifications were lawful then they already have immunity, am I right?
But within months of Qwest’s refusal, their CEO was under investigation for insider trading and eventual conviction.
Ex-Qwest CEO given six years in prison
My interpretation of what they said is that they wanted to dispatch with the SIC version of the bill quickly so that they could get to the SJC version, the one they wanted to use. OTOH, I guess they can’t count, because there are far too many, when you add up Rethugs with Blue Dog Dems and Lieberman, that wanted to keep the SIC version. My main question is, Why are there so many so anxious to give the telecoms a pass on this? With or without the extenuating circumstances and government coercion they not only broke the law, they then lied about it. I realize that the government virtually commandeered their facilities, but the fact that “We, the people” from whom governmental power is derived, were held in the dark about so much that is essentially unconstitutional is unfathomable. So, in my estimation, we have no choice. We simply can’t let this happen. It’s more dangerous to our way of life than any outside forces. Just as you can’t have a “free market” economy when you’re holding a gun to the other participant’s head, you cannot be “free” when the government insinuates itself into your every communication. Sorry. It just doesn’t work for me.
Taking action back then would have gone against the “tax cuts solve all problems” chant from the Republics.
I’ve pretty much given up writing her. She’s almost as much a Democrat as Joe LIEberman is. She’s badly in need of a strong primary challenge. Cardin seems a little better. At least he voted against cloture although he never did agree (AFAIK, and I talked to his office yesterday) to support The Honorable Senator Christopher Dodd’s filibuster. Maryland Dems are in pretty sorry shape, by and large. The reThugs are worse.
Slightly OT. Anyone know how much money Dodd raised in the last few days? And how does Ron Paul raise $6 million in one day? Again. Something hinky about that.
And this is clearly a useless junket at taxpayers expense:
(The java link function isn’t working right now for me.)
Hey johnSwifty:
Long time no see/talk. Hope this meets you and yours well.
Not to mention that anyone watching saw the best political theater I’ve seen in quite a while. You couldn’t buy better advertising!
Sounds like pressure to me we need Gonzo to answer some questions we need justice dept emails on this.
Further to my 104:
Just what f*cking progress was made in Annapolis?
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush will visit Israel and the West Bank next month as part of a nine-day trip intended to nurture peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
Bush also will make stops in Kuwait, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. He will leave Washington on Jan. 8 and return on Jan. 16.
wow – that’s gonna provide a lot of names for him to butcher in one trip…
Bon Voyage, Georgie. Please try to not blow up the world while you’re gone.
This is a bit of a non-sequitor, but I’m very curious to know where Bernie Sanders sits on the issue of telcom immunity. If there was a Senator that would be willing to help carry out a filibuster on a matter of great import to American civil liberties, I’d expect Sanders up there along with Dodd and Feingold.
Didn’t they agree to discuss whether to agree or not at a later date?
We have an irrational fear of government? Who is it that wants to destroy even a hint of the idea that self-government might actually be effective at solving the most serious problems facing us? Don’t these guys do anything but project these days? Certifiable cases the whole friggin’ lot of ‘em.
Rockefeller is worthless.
Also per 108:
Too many words from Perino that could be summarized in one short sentence.
Speaking of primary challenges, one of the Kossacks I met at the Charlie Brown fundraiser last night in NYC thought that Schumer was due. Something to think about when 2010 is in sight.
barbara milquetoasty
Hey Biodun.
I’m busy as a beaver and it took me awhile to navigate the new FDL :) It’s good to see you’re still holding down the Minnesota faction here at the lake.
Spying on Dems, ya mean like the breakin at Dem HQ in the Watergate Hotel?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA
I have a fear of this government. They have a hatred of all government (unless it can be used to enrich themselves).
johnSwifty @ 117:
Am glad to be doing that, even at the expense of my own billables…*g*
(Looks like the toobz are tied up again.)
’’This visit will follow up on the progress made at Annapolis in helping Israelis and Palestinians to advance their efforts toward peace and achievement of the president’s vision of two democratic states living side-by-side in peace and security, as well as encourage Israeli-Arab reconciliation,’’ White House press secretary Dana Perino said in a statement.
Bush – “You boys still workin’ on what I told ya? Good, where can I get a ham sammich around here”?
Like having access to Teddy Kennedy’s computer during the supreme judge wrangles and NO ONE investigated it.
I gave Mikulski’s office my spiel (”I’m a constituent…a Democratic voter…supported her in the past…very disappointed in her position on telecom immunity yesterday…yadda, yadda”) and got…nothin’. Well, a “thank you for your comments.” I said, hey, I’m a Democratic voter from Maryland who is telling you I’m not happy with my Senator, your boss–wouldn’t she like to know who I am, where I’m from, so she can at least, you know, explain herself??
Van Hollen won’t challenge her but should. We’ll need to find someone else.
Talk about projection we were not ranting about black helicopters and the UN taking over in the Clinton years. Although maybe we should start worrying about Blackwater, FISA and Martial Law.
A slightly OT comment:
Is this the first crack in the MSM stranglehold on our public thought? The common approach was always that whatever was in the MSM was somehow a reflection of popular opinion. Before the WWW, that was about all we had. I think our congresscritters were still thinking that way (ignore the net and maybe it will go away). Most still think that the only public opinion that matters come from the WaPo or NYT, and since the two disagree on 1% of the facts, that passes for debate of both sides of an issue.
I had high hopes for what the web could do for our society, it has already exceeded my practical hope.
Just think how much worse this would be without the ability for the public to actually be part of “public discussion”.
Seconded.
Bullseye Jane.
We need someone to leak something new, such as what some named telcom CEO or board member knew and when they knew it. Something that can put a face on this whole thing for the Joe Sixpack crowd and that even the brain dead MSM can’t ignore.
“Memogate”: The Facts of the Case[pdf]
I would prefer to let the issue of warrentless wiretapping be allowed to play itself out in the correct branch of government to handle such things, the courts. I also think the Bush administration itself to be absolutely precluded from having any influence at all (that is, of the meddling type) in the court process. I prefer that the other two branches of government start actively rebuking the Bush administration for Hugh’s list of offenses. I prefer that light be shined into all the dark corners of this administration and that it serves as an example to future would-be dictators that think they know what’s best for us, regardless of our wishes, and terminate our civil rights for our own good.
Perino on Chimpy’s Middle-East junket:
This woman has extreme platitudes flowing out of her mouth…
Maybe what we need to do is to call her and say we are promoting the other side (”I feel strongly that telecom immunity needs to be passed”) just to see what the staffer’s response would be. Might be interesting.
And this is definitely one for a hearty laugh:
I thought wifey Jeri saddles him up.
This is obvious, perhaps- But by lobbying so fiercely for immunity, aren’t the telecoms making the tacit admission that they indeed broke the law?
Oh My Dog. I ain’t gonna touch this one with a stick.
Oh, yeah?
Only when going to worship? What about when going to other places?
(Same link as my 131.)
We need to Dodd to talk about Quest if he filibusters in January.
New Christy Thread “That Giant Sucking Sound”
“…..how craven the other Democratic presidential hopefuls looked when they chose to stay in Iowa and promote themselves rather than come back to Washington DC and defend the constitution.”
Jane, Biden asked Dodd whether he needed him yesterday and Dodd said no. As to Biden, who was in New Hampshire, this is an unfair shot. It may be unfair to the others as well.
The long arm of government also controls the very lifeblood of the telecoms, and this administration has proven to be crazy and ruthless. I’m talkin’ “We can pull your license! Your CEO could go to jail if we investigate every aspect of your business dealings. How does ‘insider trading’ grab you?” Think about what happened to the CEO of Qwest, the only known telecom that refused to cooperate. Then the government sets another scenario, one in which the giant company gets rewarded with government contracts and favorable legislation if they cooperate. And they will be getting exculpatory letters, after all.
Tell me, as the decision maker of one of these huge corps, would you be more likely to be lulled into complacency, or would you resist what your lawyers think might be illegal even under threat of huge penalties and making an enemy out of the very government that regulates you?
And beat me with a stick.
Yes, I just did. I hate parting with money, but what could I do – if any candidate deserves my money, if any candidate has distinguished him/herself in this race so far, it has been Sen. Dodd.
Ann: This is an excellent point. I just read the whole story of what happened to the Qwest CEO. Now, given the facts of that case and knowing how cases get started in a world with limited prosecution resources, this sounds like a very likely scenario. Usually someone tips off the SEC or suggests that the SEC follow up on a tip that they already have. I’m pretty sure that the government could find all sorts of questionable practices in any one of the telcos if they wanted to. Or they could just tell them what will happen to their contracts if they refuse. They might even have used the patriot card.
Dodd’s youtube on Glennzilla reminded me I know an Iowa Democratic party activist (and an effective one to boot, he’s had success changing the state party platform on drug policy). Sent him an email commending Dodd’s recent work and urged him to work for a caucus victory for Dodd.
Wish my finances would let me send more money to Dodd at this time, but I’m tight until I’m working again.
And what they couldn’t find, they can plant. I certainly wouldn’t put planting evidence against this admin.
I just called my Senator, Amy Klobuchar, and told her that I gave $25 to Chris Dodd, sight unseen, in gratitude for standing up to the FISA bill. She voted for the FISA bill last autumn and I let her know then I was not pleased – this time I pointed out that there might be money to be made by actually doing the will of your constituents…
(the other Minnesota Senator is Norm Coleman – he’s not MY senator…)
DAD.
Pretty sickening to see the wall to wall tributes to Lott from all the Repubs but Leahy as well consuming hours and hours of time on the floor of the Senate today. What happened to the important business? Some Repub Senator must have put a “hold” on it ey?
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I’m very curious to know where Bernie Sanders sits on the issue of telcom immunity. If there was a Senator that would be willing to help carry out a filibuster on a matter of great import to American civil liberties, I’d expect Sanders up there along with Dodd and Feingold. Any vermonters know what’s up with their independent US Senator?
You may recall Mikulski’s “courage” in the debate over increasing CAFE standards in 2001. She vowed to protect the safety of those suburban housewives driving SUVs:
With several other dems went along with this charade
WE need more better dems. ASAP!
I came in after it had begun and was wonderin’ who they were talkin about. Then almost lost (or at least misplaced) my Wheat Chex when I found out.
Wasn’t Mikulski a rep on the House Judiciary Committee that voted out articles of impeachment against Nixon? Or am I thinking of a different person?
Good piece Jane. It’s for sure that we will have to bring it in 2008 if we are to bury this monstrosity.
As an aside I’m interested that you even knew about “Ma Kettle”. “Ma & Pa Kettle, movie icons from dowm on the farm had to date back to thelate 30’s and early 40’s. Far before your time, Jane. I amazed you even knew about them. If my memory serves the actress was Marjorie Main and the actor was Percy Killbride, Nes Pas?
By the way, that rotary phone might fetch somethin’ on ebay.
Mikulski didn’t enter Congress until 1976, so no.
dream on, but seriously so. See EW’s comments on same topic, from drational, bmaz, and more (with apologies for not citing all names).
Great job everyone. My hasty, wordy letter to the editor today (to the Post):
I was one of the thousands of citizens who contacted Sen. Harry Reid urging him to shelve the Senate Intelligence Committee’s FISA bill that would immunize telecom companies from suits against their illegal surveillance activities. I was therefore dismayed to read of opposition to this ex post facto legalization of lawbreaking through parliamentary maneuvers defamed as “guerilla tactics” (”Telecom Immunity Issue Derails Spy Law Overhaul”, Dec. 18). I also contributed $25.00 I could scarce afford to Senator Christopher Dodd two months ago when he declared his intent to place a hold on or filibuster this bill (neither action supported by Reid). To the authors of the article my acts of civic engagement are proof that there was a “tinge of politics” behind Dodd’s principled and impassioned speech on the Senate floor in defense of the rule of law, the Fourth Amendment and democratic principles of transparency. The Post finds no room, on the other hand, to opine on using legislative fiat to thwart private lawsuits that might hold this consortium composed of telecoms behemoths and a radical, criminal executive liable for illegal surveillance and, more importantly, expose the details of their spying. It never occurs to the authors that protecting those wealthy and powerful enough to buy legislation the expense the public’s rights might smack of “politics.”
Thanks. I thought that would have made her, like, dead. Wonder who I’m thinkin’ of? i’ll go check the members. maybe it’ll come to me.
Got it. Duh-oh!!! Paul Sarbanes was on that committee and later became a senator from MD.
(New guy here.)
Would specifically not granting immunity increase exposure to the WH in light of the alleged fact that this teleco spying/listening may or did occur even before 9/11/01? thus increasing the pressure on the Congressional Dems even more to act.
If that’s the case, the Dem leadership is even more compromised than it has seemed lately.
I moved to Maryland several years ago and was impressed with Senator Mikulski. I find both her and he office staff responsive and concerned. I do not always agree with her position, but I do know that your quick witty assessment of her is not legitimate.
Folksy…perhaps. Certainly not a fashion statement. But she will always have my respect.
She was the first female Democrat elected to the US Senate in her own right.
Mikulski is one of 11 senators to vote against both the 1991 and 2002 resolutions authorizing the use of force in Iraq. For that she deserves your respect as well.
I got TWO thank yous: for the contribution & for signing the petition/contacting my senators.
Sorry, I have to disagree.
I’ve lived in MD for nearly 30 years. Mikulski may have great “constituent services” [getting someone’s social security straightened out; getting a flag flown over the Capitol], but what I want as one of her constituents is for her to protect my constitutional rights.
Take a look at her votes over the last two years on GWB issues. I’ve followed, and her votes for the most part suck.
Thank you, thank you, thank you selise. I wanted to find this on the net today, but just didn’t find the time to go looking. I missed that part, Reid’s move, though I watched the entire debate right up TO that. So thanks again!
And WOW! Dodd has my vote. That’s the end of any quandry I have been in. He got a good chunk of my money last night too!
Could it actually be a turning of the tide????
A DEMOCRAT WHO CAN AND IS LEADING!!!
WHAT A CONCEPT!!!!!
siri@legitgov.org
http://www.legitgov.org
Irrational fear of government, Arlen?
As a lawyer he should remember what Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence about why we rebelled against England.
Here are few more recent reasons:
Rodney King being beaten by cops in public?
People being taken to Guantanamo illegally?
Bush & Cheney lying us into the Iraq war?
The ‘fiscal conservative’ Repubs and $9T of debt?
Civilians being tasered to death?
When does it cease being irrational?
I suspect the next president should review that conviction and sentence and consider pardon or commutation. We can’t have law abiding citizens being harassed by the government for no good reason.
I think they figured at the time that they had to play ball, but now they’re worried they are going to be made the scapegoat. I don’t blame them for trying to get immunity. If Bush & Co broke the law there’s no reason the telcoms should have to pay. The detailed question is whether the telcoms had some responsibility which they alone didn’t uphold.
Were they required to assist the gov?
Under FISA the gov doesn’t have to provide a warrant at first. So, it appears they had to go along.
How long?
Were there any other ways the government could require compliance?
Is any of those legal or just Bush BS?
Were the telcoms doing spying for their own purposes?
I think there needs to be a qualified immunity. So long as the government had the authority to require assistance they should be immune. That, of course, is probably immunity already included in FISA. If the government had any other valid way to enforce compliance they deserve immunity. That probably isn’t possible and they may be guilty on that count. If the government required compliance and did so legally, but then that legality expired (no warrant under FISA after the time delay), then they were required to stop spying and might not have.
Mostly the current FISA covers things, but the court (probably SCOTUS) needs to make a ruling on whether there is separate authority from FISA for requiring telcom complicity to clarify precisely what law(s) were to be applied.
Still, the argument that the court can’t simply make a ruling, that a case has to come before them would require that this has to go to a court and then see their call appealed.
The court(s) is/are in this one way or another. Anything less and Bush is declaring himself a dictator and should be immediately impeached — by the afternoon.
Jane,
First of all, you are right when you mentioned timing issues for Reid.
Second, calling Mikulski “thick as a brick” was not right. She is obviously wrong, but you are too young to remember Jethro Tull’s album, Thick as a Brick, and to know it referred to somebody who was stoned out of their gourd on the evil weed, Marijuana, and although I sometimes think many of our congress critters may be stoned to be able to do so little for us but so much for their corporate dollars, I think it is pure duplicity on her part.
Last, I wanted to thank you for your work to keep us old fools educated on this and so many other topics. I would lose all hope without the blogs, and you actually got me calling my senator, Claire McCaskill, disappointment that she was, on this issue.
Thank you, and know when you call for action, Ill be here.